March. 27. 1643.

VVHereas we humbly presented to Your Majestie severall Answers to Your Majesties demands in your first Propo­sition, and in reply to those answers, we have received severall Pa­pers from Your Majestie. Our humble desires are that Your Maje­stie would be pleased to give us leave to repaire unto you, for our farther satisfaction upon any doubts which shall arise amongst us in those Papers we have already received, or any other which we shall hereafter receive from Your Majestie, before such time as we shall transmitt them to both Houses of Parliament.

March. 28. 1643.

HIS Majestie is pleased, that the Committee of both Houses repaire unto Him for their further satisfaction upon any doubts which shall arise a­mongst them, in the Papers they have already re­ceived, or any other which they shall hereafter receive from His Majestie, & to which they shall not have acquiesced, be­fore they transmitt them to both Houses of Parliament.

March. 26. 1643. To that part of Your MAIESTIES first Proposition concerning Your MAIESTIES owne Revenue, wee give this answer.

THE two Houses of Parliament have not made use of Your Maiesties owne Revenue, but in a very small proportion, which for a good part hath been imployed in the maintenance of Your Maiesties Children, according to the allowance established by Your Selfe. And the two Houses of Parliament will satisfie what shall remaine due to Your Maiesty of those summes received out of Your Maiesties owne Revenue. And will leave the same to Your Ma­iestie for the time to come.

Wee likewise humbly propose to Your Maiesty, that You will restore what hath been taken for Your Maiesties use, upon any of the Bills assigned to other purposes, by severall Acts of Parliament, or out of the provision made for the Warre of Ireland.

March. 26. 1643.

HIS Majesty knowes not what Proportion of His Revenue hath been made use of by His two Houses of Parliament, but He hath Reason to beleeve, that if much of it hath not been used, very much remaines still in their hands, His [Page 5] whole Revenue being so seized and stopped by the orders of one or both Houses, even to the taking away of His Mo­ney out of His Exchequer and Mint, and Bonds (forced from His Cofferers Clerks) for the Provision of His Maje­sties Houshold, that very little hath come to His Majesties use for His owne support. He is well contented to allow whatsoever hath been imployed in the maintenance of His Children, and to receive the Arreares due to Himselfe, and to be sure of His owne for the future.

He is likewise willing to restore all Moneys taken for His Majesties use by any Authority from Him, upon any Bills assigned to other purposes; His Majesty being assured He hath Received very little or nothing that way, and expects that satisfaction be made for all those severall vast summes received & diverted to other purposes, by orders of one or both Houses, which ought to have been paid upon the Act of Pacification to His Subjects of Scotland, or imployed for the discharge of the Debts of this Kingdome, and by other Acts of Parliament for the releife of His poor Prote­stant Subjects of Ireland.

March. 27. 1643.

HIS Majesty desires to be resolved by the Committee from both Houses, whether their Proposition to His Majesty to restore what hath been taken for His Majesties use upon any of the Bills, &c. be a new demand, or a con­dition [Page 6] upon which only that is granted which goes be­fore?

March 27. 1643.

VVHereas Your Majesty desired to be resolved by us, whe­ther the Proposition to Your Majesty to restore what hath been taken for Your Majesties use upon any of the Billes &c. be a new demand, or a Condition upon which only that is granted which goes before.

We humbly conceive it to be no new demand, but whether it be such a Condition upon which only that which goes before is granted we are not able to resolve.

March 27. 1643. Whereas we have received Your Majesties Answer of the 26. of this instant to ours of the same date, concerning Your Maje­sties own Revenue.

VVE humbly desire to know of Your Majesty, if You will not accompt Your own Revenue to be sure for the fu­ture, if both Houses of Parliament doe leave it in the same way as it was before these troubles did begin.

March. 27. 1643.

HIs Majesty did intend in his former Answer by those words (of being sure of His own for the future) that no restraints or Interruption should be made by one or both Houses in and upon His Majesties Revenue, but that it should be left in the same way it was before these troubles did begin.

March. 28. 1643.

VVEE shall transmit Your Majesties answer, to that part of Your Proposition concerning Your Revenue, to both Houses of Parliament, without farther Reply.

March. 26. 1643. To that part of Your Majesties first Proposition concerning Your Magazines, we humbly give this Answer.

THat all the Armes and Ammunition, taken out of Your Maje­sties Magazines, which shall remaine in the hands of both Hou­ses of Parliament, shall be delivered into Your Stores, & whatsoever shall be wanting they will in convenient time supply in kind, ac­cording to the Propositions which they have received. We like­wise humbly propose unto your Majesty, that the persons to whose charge those publique Magazines shall be committed, being nomi­nated by Your Majesty, may be such as the two Houses of Parlia­ment shall confide in. And that Your Majesty will restore all such Armes and Ammunition as have been taken for Your Majesties use from the severall Counties, Cities and Townes.

March. 27. 1643.

HIs Majesty is content that all the Armes and Ammunition taken out of His Magazines, which doe now remaine in the hands of both Houses, or of Persons employed by them, be forthwith delivered into such of His Stores as His Majesty shall appoynt, and that whatsoever shall be [Page 9] wanting of the Proportions taken out from thence by them, be supplyed by them with all convenient speed in kinde. Which shall be committed to, and continued in the custo­dy of the sworn Officers, to whose Places the same belongs. And if any of the said Officers shall have forfeited, or shall forfeit that trust by any Misdemeanours, His Majesty will by no means defend them from the Iustice of the Law.

For the restoring all such Armes and Ammunition as have been taken for His Majesties use from the severall Counties, Cities and Townes, His Majesty being compel­led to take them, His own being taken from Him, did it al­waies with this Caution and Promise to the Places from whence He took them, that He would, by the blessing of God, restore them againe, and make recompence out of His own Stores, as soon as it should be in His Power; which Promise He will make good to them; expecting that such Armes and Ammunition as have been taken from the seve­rall Counties, Cities and Townes, for the use of the Ar­mies under the Command of the Earle of Essex, be likewise restored to them.

March 28. 1643. Whereas we have received Your Majesties answer of the 27. of this Moneth, to ours of the 26. of this instant, con­cerning Your Majesties Magazines.

VVEE humbly desire to know of Your Maiesty what time you intend, by the expression in the words (be forth­with delivered.)

We likewise humbly desire to know in what places Your Maje­sty [Page 10] would have Your Stores, and who are the sworn Officers Your Majesty intends, that according to our Instructions we may trans­mit their names to both Houses of Parliament.

March 28. 1643.

HIs Majesty intended by that Expression (be forth­with delivered) as soon as the Treaty shall be conclu­ded, and agreed on.

March 29. 1643,

THe place of Store into which His Majesty is con­tent that the Armes and Ammunition, taken out of His Majesties Magazines, be delivered, is His Tower of London; and the Officers He intends, are such as by Patent ought to receive and keep the same.

March 29. 1643.

VVEE humbly desire according to our Instructions, that the persons to whose charge the publique Magazines should be committed, being nominated by Your Majesty, should be such as the Lords and Commons should confide in.

We, not knowing whether the two Houses will confide in the Persons Your Majesty mentions, must transmit their names to both [Page 11] Houses of Parliament to receive their farther Instructions.

April. 5. 1643.

HIS Majesty conceives His Answer concerning the Persons to whose custody His Magazines shall be committed, to be very cleere and suffi­cient, and shall forbeare any more particular Nomination of them, the two Houses well knowing whether they have any just exceptions to make against any of them, which if they have, His Majesty will leave them to the due course of Iustice.

April. 10. 1643.

BY Instructions yesterday received from both Houses of Parlia­ment, we are commanded humbly to desire your Majesty to make a further Answer to that clause of the first Proposition which concernes the Magazines; and we are humbly to acquaint Your Ma­jesty, that the two Houses of Parliament doe not think fit to inlarge the time of the Treaty beyond the twenty dayes, formerly limited, to be reckoned from the five and twentieth of March last, which can admit of no alteration or inlargement without manifold preju­dice and danger to the whole Kingdome.

April. 14. 1643.

HIS Majesty having made severall Answers to that Clause of the first Proposition, which concernes the Magazines, knowes not what Answer to make further, except He were informed what part of the Propositions made to Him was not cleerly answered, or had Reasons given Him to change and alter the Answer already made; neither of which is yet done. And He is very sory that both Hou­ses of Parliament have not thought fit to enlarge the pow­er of the Committee, (whereby lesse time would have ser­ved for the Treaty) & are so absolutely resolved not to en­large the time of the Treaty beyond the twenty dayes which (by Messages and attending the Instructions of the House) are so neare spent, notwithstanding all possible rea­dinesse in His Majesty, & which in truth might have ended all the Propositions, if sufficient authority had been given to the persons imployed to debate and conclude: neither can His Majesty understand why an Alteration or Inlargement, in the point of time, cannot be admitted without manifold prejudice and danger to the whole Kingdome. He prayes to God, that an Aversnesse to such an alteration and inlarge­ment may not prove an unspeakable prejudice and danger to the whole Kingdome.

March. 27. 1643. To that part of Your Majesties first Proposition, which con­cernes Your Maiesties Townes and Forts, VVe humbly give this Answer.

1. THat the two Houses of Parliament will remove the Garri­sons cut of all Townes & Forts in their hands, wherein there were no Garrisons before these troubles, and sleight all Fortificati­ons made since that time, and those Townes and Forts to continue in the same condition they were in before, and that those Garri­sons shall not be renewed, nor the Fortifications repaired, without consent of Your Majesty and both Houses of Parliament.

2. That for those Townes and Forts which are within the Iu­risdiction of the Cinque-Ports, they shall be delivered up into the hands of such a Noble Person as Your MAIESTY shall appoint to be Warden of the Cinque-Ports, being such a one as they shall confide in.

3. That the Towne of Portesmouth shall be reduced to the number of the Garrison as was at the time, when the Lords and Commons undertook the custody thereof; and such other Forts, Castles and Townes as were formerly kept by Garrisons, as have been taken by both Houses of Parliament into their care and custody, since the beginning of these troubles, shall be reduced to such pro­portion of Garrison as they had in the yeare 1636. And shall be so continued. And that all the said Townes, Forts, and Castles shall be delivered up into the hands of such persons of quality and trust, to be likewise nominated by Your Majesty, as the two Houses of Parlia­ment shall confide in.

4. That the Warden of the Cinque-Ports and all Governors and Commanders of Townes, Castles, and Forts, shall keep the same [Page 14] Townes, Castles and Forts respectively for the service of Your Ma­jesty, and the safety of the Kingdome; and that they shall not admit into any of them any forraign Forces, or any other Forces raised without Your Majesties Authority, and consent of the two Houses of Parliament; and they shall use their utmost indeavours to suppresse all Forces whatsoever, raised without such authority and consent; and they shall seize all Armes and Ammunition provided for any such Forces.

5. They likewise humbly propose to Your Majesty, that You would remove the Garrisons out of New-Castle, and all other Townes, Castles, and Forts, where any Garrisons have been placed by Your Majesty since these troubles, and that the Fortifications be likewise sleighted, and the Townes and Forts left in such State and condition as they were in the yeare 1636.

6. That all other Townes, Forts, and Castles, where there have been formerly Garrisons before these troubles, may be committed to the charge of such persons to be nominated by Your Majesty, as both Houses of Parliament shall confide in, and under such Instructi­ons as are formerly mentioned.

7. And that those new Garrisons shall not be renewed, nor their Fortifications repaired without consent of Your Majesty, and both Houses of Parliament.

March. 28. 1643.

HIS Majesty is content that all the Garrisons in any Townes and Forts in the hands of any Persons imployed by the two Houses of Par­liament, wherein there were no Garrisons be­fore these troubles, be removed, and all Forti­fications, made since that time, may be sleighted, and those [Page 15] Townes & Forts shall, for the future, continue in the same condition they were in before.

1. For the Cinque-Ports, they are already in the Custo­dy of a Noble Person, against whom His Majesty knowes no just exceptions, and who hath such a Legall Interest therein, that His Majesty cannot with Iustice remove Him from it, untill some sufficient Cause be made appeare to him; but is willing if he shall at any time be found guilty of any thing that may make him unworthy of that Trust, that he may be proceeded against according to the Rules of Iustice.

2. The Towne of Portesmouth, and all other Forts, Castles and Townes, as were formerly kept by Garrisons, shall be reduced to their antient proportion, and the Go­vernment of them put into the hands of such Persons against whom no just exceptions can be made, all of them being before these troubles by Letters Patents granted to severall Persons, against any of whom His Majesty knowes not any Exceptions, and who shall be removed if just cause shall be given for the same.

3. The Warden of the Cinque-Ports, and all Gover­nors and Commanders of Townes, Castles, and Forts, shall keep the same Townes, Castles, and Forts, as by the Law they ought to doe, for His Majesties service, and the safety of the Kingdome; and they shall not admit into any of them any forraign Forces, or other Forces raised or brought in contrary to the Law, but shall use their utmost endeavour to suppresse all such Forces, and shall seize all Armes and Am­munition, which by the Lawes and Statutes of the King­dome they ought to seize.

4. The Garrisons of New-Castle, and all other Townes, Castles, and Forts, in which Garrisons have been placed by His Majesty since these troubles, shall be removed, and all [Page 16] the Fortifications shall be fleighted, and the Townes and Forts left in such state and condition as they were in the yeare, 1636.

All other Townes, Forts, and Castles, where there have been formerly Garrisons before these troubles, shall be com­mitted to the charge of such Persons, and under such cauti­ons and limitations as His Majesty hath before exprest.

And no new Garrisons shall be renewed, nor their For­tifications repaired, otherwise then as by the Lawes and Sta­tutes of the Kingdom, they may or ought to be.

March. 29. 1643.

COncerning the appointing of the Warden of the Cinque-Ports, and Governors of Your Majesties Townes, Castles, and Forts, we humbly desire to know if Your Majesties Reply doth intend, that both Houses of Parliament may expresse their confidence of the persons to whose trust those places are to be committed, for that we are directed by our Instructions, that if Your Majesty be pleased to assent thereunto, that You would nominate Persons of Quality to receive the charge of them. That we may forthwith certifie both Houses of Parliament, that thereupon they may expresse their con­fidence in those persons, or humbly beseech Your Maiesty to name others; none of which persons to be removed, during three yeares next ensuing, without just cause to be approved by both Houses of Parliament, and if any be so removed, or shall dye within the said space, the persons to be put in the same offices shall be such as both Houses shall confide in.

Wee humbly desire to know if Your Maiesty intends the Garri­son of Portesmouth, to be of such a proportion, as it was about the yeare 1641. about which time a new supply was added to the for­mer Garrison to strenghen it, which both Houses of Parliament think necessary to continue.

We humbly desire Your Majesty would be pleased to give a more full answer to this clause, that they should not admit into them any Forreigne or other Forces, Raised without Your Majesties au­thority and consent of the two Houses of Parliament, and that they shall use their utmost endeavours to suppresse all Forces whatsoever, Raised without such Authority and Consent, and that those Garri­sons should not be renewed, or their Fortifications repaired without consent of Your Majesty and both Houses of Parliament.

April. 5. 1643.

HIs Majesty doth not intend that both Houses of Parliament shall expresse their Confidence of the Persons to whose trust the Cinque-ports, or other His Majesties Townes, Ca­stles and Forts now are or shall be commit­ted, but only that they shall have liberty upon any just Ex­ceptions to proceed against any such Persons, according to Law; His Majesty being resolved not to Protect them a­gainst the publique Iustice. And well knowing that when any of those places shall be voyd, the Nomination and free Election is a Right belonging to, and inherent in His Maje­sty. And having been enjoyed by all His Royall Progeni­tors, His Majesty will not believe that His well-affected Subjects will desire to limit Him in that Right.

His Majesty intends the Garrison of Portsmouth to be of such a Proportion as it was in the yeare, 1641. Except He finds good cause to enlarge or diminish that Proportion.

His Majesty cannot give a more full Answer to that Clause concerning the Admission of Forces into any of His [Page 18] Forts, Castles and Townes, then He hath already given, His Majesty having therein made the Lawes and Statutes of the Kingdom the Rule of what is, or what is not to be done, Which will be alwaies the most impartiall Iudge between Him and His People.

April. 10. 1643.

BY Instructions yesterday received from both Houses of Parlia­ment, we are commanded humbly to desire another answer from Your Majesty concerning the Cinque-ports, Townes, Forts and Castles, Your Majesties former answers concerning them being, in the most materiall poynts, expresse denialls, as both Houses of Par­liament understand them.

April. 14. 1643.

HIs Majesty will not at this time Remem­ber the many Acts of Grace and Favour He hath passed this Parliament for the good of His People; But He must say, He hath not denied any one thing proposed to Him by both Houses, which in Iustice could be required of Him, or in reason expected; and He hath been and is still so unwilling to give a deniall to both His Houses, that as they shall be sure to re­ceive none to any Proposition they shall make of Right, so in matters of Grace and favour, Hee shall be willing to re­ceive any Information and Reason, which at any time may [Page 19] invite Him to Consent, and therefore will gladly receive a­ny reason from the Committee, or both Houses, which may induce His Majesty to give another Answer, then what He hath already given in the poynt of the Cinque-Ports, Forts and Castles; but till such be given, He cannot consent to dispossesse any of His Servants of what they are legally pos­sest, without a Iust Cause Exprest, or to quit His own Right of sole disposing of their commands, no other cau­ses yet appearing to Him, then that the places they com­mand have been taken from Him.

Aprill 14. 1643.

YOur Majesty, in one of Your papers this day delivered unto us, mentions that You would gladly receive any reason from both Houses, or their Committee, which may induce Your Majesty to give another answer then what You have already given in the poynt of the Cinque-ports, Forts, Castles, and Magazines.

We did according to our Instructions, Humbly desire Your Ma­jesty that the Cinque-ports, Forts and Castles might be put into the hands of such Noble Persons, and Persons of Quality and Trust, to be nominated by Your Majesty, as the two Houses of Parliament should confide in, and to be kept for Your Majesties service, and the safety of the Kingdom, that no forraigne Forces, or other Forces, raised without Your Majesties authority, and consent of the two Houses of Parliament, should be admitted into any of them, and the Commanders to use their utmost endeavours to suppresse all Forces raised without such authority and consent, and to seize all Armes and Ammunition provided for any such Forces.

Vnto which we hūbly desire Your Majesties gratious assent, & to our other desires concerning Your Majesties first Proposition, & the first Propositiō of both Houses of Parliament, for that we hūbly conceive Your consent thereunto will be the best meanes for such a Peace to be made, as will be safe firme & lasting, the which is not to be hoped [Page 20] for, except there be a cure for Feares and Iealousies, for which an apparent remedy is to disband all Forces, and the same to be so mu­tually done, as neither part to have any force remaining, of which the other may be Iealous or in feare, but if for other causes, not concer­ned in these unhappy differences, Forces are to be retained, as in the Cinque-ports, and in some Forts, Townes, and Castles for the de­fence of the whole Kingdom against Forraigne Enemies, that then the same may remaine in the hands of such Persons, with such Powers, as both parts might believe themselves secure; for if the same places were considered in relation only to these unnaturall di­stempers, and to the setling thereof, the Forces in them were like­wise to be disbanded.

April. 15. 1643.

AS His Majesty was and is very desirous to receive any Reason from both Houses, or their Commit­tee, which might induce His Majesty to give other Answers, if what He hath or shall give doe not sa­tisfy, so He rather expected those reasons should have had their foundation in the Law of the Land, and have shewed Him that by Law He had not the Right He pretended, or that by that, or by some fundamentall Law, they had a Right superior to His in what was now in Question, Or have shewed Him some Legall Reason why the Persons trusted by Him were uncapable of that Trust, then only have insisted upon Feares and Iealousies, of which as Hee knowes not the ground, so He is ignorant of the Cure. But this His Majesty knowes, that if readinesse to acknowledge, retract and provide against for the future any thing of error that had hapned against Law, and having actually pass'd [Page 21] more important Bills, and parted with more of His known Rights for the satisfaction of His Subjects, then not only any one but all His Predecessors, would have been thought a sufficient Remedy for Fears and Iealousies, the Kingdom might still have enjoyed a safe, firme and lasting Peace, and those would not first have been made a Reason to seaze up­on His Rights, and then after have been made an Argument to perswade Him to part with them. And His Majesty won­ders the Committee should not see, that this Argument might extend to the depriving Him of, or at least sharing with Him in, all His just Rigall Power (since Power as well as Forces may be the object of Feares and Iealousies, and there will be alwaies a Power left to hurt, whilest there is any left to protect and defend;) And that if those Rights which He received from His Predecessors were really so formidable, That would have been more fear'd before, which is now feard so much, and His Forts and Castles would either not have been attempted, or at least have ena­bled Him to defend and keep them, and have kept this from being a Question now between them. Which since they could not doe, His Majesty (if He had as much inclination, as He hath more Right, to Feares and Iealousies) might have more reason to insist upon some Addition of Power, as a Security to enable Him to keep His Forts, when He hath them, then they to make any Difficulty to restore them to Him in the same condition they were before. But as His Majesty contents Himselfe with, so, He takes God to witnesse, His greatest desire is alwaies to observe and main- the Law of the Land, and expects the same from His Sub­jects, and believes the mutuall observance of that Rule, and neither of them to feare what the Law fears not, to be on both parts a better Cure for that dangerous Disease of [Page 22] Fears and Iealousies, and a better means to establish a hap­py and a perpetuall Peace, then for His Majesty to devest Himselfe of those Trusts which the Law of the Land hath setled in the Crowne alone, to preserve the Power and Dignity of the Prince, for the better Protection of the Sub­ject, and of the Law, and to avoyd those dangerous Distra­ctions, which the interest of any Sharers with Him would have infallibly produced.

March 27. 1643. To that part of Your Majesties first Proposition, which concernes Your Ships, we humbly give this Answer.

THat the Ships shall be delivered into the charge of such a Noble person as Your Majesty shall nominate to be Lord High Admi­rall of England, and the two Houses of Parliament confide in, who shall receive the same Office by Letters Patents, quàm diu se bene gesserit, and shall have power to nominate and appoynt all subordi­nate Commanders and Officers, and have all other powers apper­taining to the Office of High-Admirall, which Ships he shall im­ploy for the defence of the Kingdom against all forraine forces whatsoever, and for the safeguard of Merchants, secureing of Trade, and the guarding of Ireland, and the intercepting of all supplies to be carried to the Rebells, and shall use his utmost endeavour to sup­presse all forces which shall be raised by any Person without Your [Page 23] Majesties authority, and consent of the Lords and Commons in Parlia­ment, and shall seize all Armes and Ammunition provided for sup­ply of any such Forces.

March. 28. 1643.

HIs Majesty expects that His Own Ships be forth­with delivered to Him, as by the Law they ought to be. And when He shall please to nominate a Lord High-Admirall of England, it shall be such a Noble Person against whom no just exception can be made, and if any shall be, His Majesty will alwaies leave him to his due tryall and examination, and shall grant His Office to him by such Letters Patents as have been used; In the mean time His Majesty will governe the said Admiralty by Commission as in all times hath been accustomed. And whatever Ships shall be set forth by His Majesty, or His Au­thority, shall be employed for the defence of the Kingdom against all Forraigne Forces whatsoever, for the safeguard of Merchants, securing of Trade, guarding of Ireland, and the intercepting of all supplies to be carried to the Rebells, and shall use their utmost endeavours to suppresse all For­ces which shall be raised by any Person whatsoever, against the Lawes and Statutes of the Kingdome, and to seize all Armes and Ammunition provided for the supply of any such Forces.

March 29. 1643.

VVEE humbly desire Your Majesty would be pleased to give a more full answer to the clause, for the Ships to be delivered into the charge of such a Noble Person, as Your Majesty shall nominate to be Lord High-Admirall of England, and the two Houses of Parliament confide in, who shall receive the same Office by Letters patents Quàm diu se bene gesserit.

And to that clause, to suppresse all forces which shall be raised by any person without Your Majesties authority, and consent of the Lords and Commons in Parliament.

Whereunto if Your Majesty shall please to give Your assent, we conceive we are then directed by our Instructions, humbly to desire Your Majesty to nominate such a noble person to be Lord High-Ad­mirall of England, that we may forthwith certify both Houses of Parliament; that thereupon they may expresse their confidence in that Person, or humbly beseech Your Majesty to name another, and that in case such Noble Person, who shall be appoynted to be Lord High-Admirall of England, shall be removed, or shall dye within the space of three Years next ensuing, that the Person to be put in the same Office shall be such, as both Houses shall confide in.

Aprill 5. 1643.

HIs Majesty conceives His former Answer of the 28. of March, concerning His Ships, to be so full, that He can adde nothing thereunto in any part of it.

His Majesty conceiving it all the Iustice in the World for Him to insist, that what is by Law His own, [Page 25] and hath been contrary to Law taken from Him, be fully restored unto Him, without conditioning to impose any new Limitations upon His Majesty or his Ministers, which were not formerly required from them by Law, and think­ing it most unreasonable to be prest to diminish His owne Iust Rights Himselfe, because others have violated and usurped them.

April. 10. 1643.

BY Instructions yesterday received from both Houses of Parlia­ment, we are commanded humbly to insist upon the desires of both Houses expressed in our former papers concerning the Ships. And both Houses of Parliament doe observe in your Majesties An­swer, not only a denyall to all their desires, but likewise a censure upon their proceedings.

April. 14. 1643.

HIS Majesty for the present forbeares any farther Answer touching His Ships, desiring first to receive the Answer of both Houses, to His Message of the twelfth of this Moneth; But His Majesty will howsoever, before their departure hence, give them a further Answer.

April. 15. 1643.

HIS Majesty gave so cleare a Reason to Iustifie what He insisted upon in the point of the Ships, that He cannot but wonder to see the same a­gaine prest to Him, and yet both the Reason He gave left unanswered, and no other Reason op­pos'd to weigh against it. His Majesties end in this, was not to lay any censure upon their proceedings, but it being necessary to the matter in question, for His Majesty to say what had been done, and the matter of fact being such as it seemes could not be repeated, but it must appeare to be cen­sured, His Majesty did not thinke himselfe bound to be so tender of seeming to censure their proceedings, as by wa­ving His owne true reasonable Iustifications to leave. His own naked and expos'd to a generall censure. And His Ma­jesty hopes that since they esteem his saying, that they have taken His Ships from Him contrary to Law, to be a Cen­sure, they will either produce that Law by which they took them, or free themselves from so just and unconfutable a Censure, by a speedy and unlimited restoration. Upon which demand His Majesties Care of His Antient and un­doubted Rights doth oblige Him to insist. And when His Majesty shall thinke fit to make an Admirall, as neer as He can, he shall be such an one against whom no just exception can be made, and if any shall be offered, He will readily leave him to the Tryall of the Law.

March. 29. 1643.

VVEE are humbly to desire your Majesty, that all Generalls and Commanders in any of the Armies on either side, as likewise the Lord Admirall of England, the Lord Warden of the Cinque-Ports, all Commanders of any Ships, & Commanders of any Town, Castle, or Fort, may take an oath to observe the Articles for­merly mentioned, and to use their utmost power to preserve the true reformed Protestant Religion, and the Peace of the Kingdom, against all Forraign Forces, and all other Forces raised without Your Maje­sties authority, and consent of the two Howses of Parliament.

April. 5. 1643.

HIS Majesty conceives the Oathes, which all these Officers are already by Law obliged to take, to be very fully sufficient; But if any thing shall be made appear unto Him necessary to be added thereunto, when there shall be a full and Peaceable Convention in Parliament, His Majesty will readily consent to an Act for such an Addition.

April. 10. 1643.

BY Instructions yesterday received from both Houses of Parlia­ment, We are commanded humbly to inform Your Majesty, That both Houses of Parliament conceive your ordinary Oathes of Your Officers, mentioned in Your Answer concerning the same, are not sufficient to secure them against the extraordinary Causes of Iea­lousie, which have been given them in these troublesome times. And that Your Majesties Answer layes some Taxe upon the Parliament, as if defective, and thereby uncapable of making such a provisionall Law for an Oath. Therefore we are humbly to insist upon our former desires for such an Oath, as is mentioned in those papers, which we have formerly presented to your Majestie concerning this matter.

April. 14. 1643.

HIS Majesty did not refuse, by His former Answer, to consent to any such Oath as shall be thought necessary, though He did, and doth still, conceive the Oathes already setled by law to be sufficient; neither did he ever suppose the Parliament incapable of ma­king a provisionall Law for such an Oath; but as He would be willing to apply any proper Remedy to the Extraordi­nary Causes of Iealousies, if He could see that there were such causes, so he will be alwaies most exact in observing the Articles agreed on, in preserving the true Reformed Protestant Religion, and the Peace of the Kingdom against Forraigne Forces, and other Forces raised or employed a­gainst Law. And when both Houses shall prepare and pre­sent [Page 29] such an Oath, as they shall make appear to His Majesty to be necessary to those Ends, his Majesty will readily con­sent to it.

March. 28. 1643. His Majesties Answer to the first Proposition of both His Houses of Parliament.

HIS Majesty is as ready and willing, that all Armies be disbanded as any Person whatsoe­ver, and conceives the best way to it, to be a happy and speedy conclusion of the present Treaty, which (if both Houses will contribute as much to it, as His Majesty shall doe) will be suddenly ef­fected. And that this Treaty may the sooner produce that effect, His Majesty desires that the time given to the Com­mittee of both Houses to Treat may be enlarged.

And as His Majesty desires nothing more then to be with His two Houses, so He will repaire thither as soon as He can possibly doe it with His Honour & Safety.

March. 29. 1643. Concerning Your Majesties Answer to the Proposition of both Houses for disbanding of the Armies.

VVEE humbly desire to know, if by the words, By a happy and speedy Conclusion of the present Treaty, Your Ma­jesty doe intend a conclusion of the Treaty on your Majesties first Proposition, and their Proposition for disbanding the Armies, or a conclusion of the Treaty in all the Propositions of both parts.

Wee have given speedy notice to both Houses of Parliament of your Majesties desires, that the time given to the Committee of both Houses to treat may be enlarged.

To the last Clause we have no Instructions.

April. 4. 1643.

VVEE humbly acquaint your Majesty, that we received this morning the resolution of both Houses of Parliament, whereby farther time is given to us to treat upon the two first Pro­positions, viz. The first Proposition of your Majesties, and the first Proposition of both Houses. And that the time prescribed for the Treaty upon the two first Propositions, shall be untill friday night.

April. 5. 1643.

HIS Majesty intended by the words, By a happy and speedy Conclusion of the present Treaty, such a Conclusion of or in the Treaty, as there might be a cleer evidence to Himselfe and his good Subjects of a future Peace, and no ground left for the continuance or growth of these bloody dissentions; which, He doubts not, may be obtained, if both Houses shall con­sent, that the Treaty may proceed without further Interrup­tion or limitation of dayes.

March 29. 1643.

VVEE are directed by our Instructions humbly to desire your Majesties speedy and positive answer concerning the disbanding of the Armies, to which if your Majesty be pleased to as­sent, we are then to beseech your Majesty in the name of both Hou­ses, that a neer day may be agreed upon for the disbanding of all the Forces in the remote parts of Yorkeshire, and the other Northern Counties, as also in Lancashire, Cheshire, and in the Dominion of VVales, and in Cornewall, and Devonshire. And they being fully dis­banded, another day may be agreed on for the disbanding of all For­ces in Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, and all other places, except at Oxford and the Quarters thereunto belonging, and VVindsor and the Quarters thereunto belonging. And that last of all, a speedy day may be appointed for the disbanding of those two Ar­mies at Oxford and Windsor, and all the Forces Members of either of them.

That some Officers of both Armies may speedily meet to agree of the manner of the disbanding, and that fit persons may be ap­pointed by your Majestie, and both Houses of Parliament, who may [Page 32] repair to the severall Armies, and see the disbanding put in speedy execution accordingly.

April. 5. 1643.

WHen the time for disbanding the Armies shall be agreed upon, His Majesty well approves that some Officers of both Armies may speedily meet to agree of the manner of disbanding, and that fit Persons may be appointed by His Majesty, and both Houses of Parliament, who may repair to the severall Armies, and see the disbanding speedily put in execution accordingly.

April. 6. 1643.

VVE humbly desire to know, if by the words (By a happy and speedy conclusion of the present treaty) Your Majesty intends a conclusion of the present treaty on Your Maiesties first Pro­position, and the Proposition of both Houses for disbanding of the Armies, or a conclusion of the Treaty on all the Propositions of both parts.

And what your Maiesty intends to be a cleare evidence to your selfe, and your good Subiects, of a future Peace, and no ground left for the continuance or growth of these bloody dissentions.

April. 6. 1643.

HIS Majesty desires to know from the Commit­tee of both Houses, whether they acquiesce with His Majesties Replies to their Answers concern­ing His first Proposition, which yesterday they received from Him, and to which they have yet made no returne.

His Majesty likewise desires to know, whether they have yet received power and Instructions to Treat with His Majesty concerning His returne to His two Houses of Par­liament, which is a part of the first Proposition of both Houses.

April. 6. 1643.

VVEE shall transmit Your Majesties Replies to our An­swers, concerning Your first Proposition, to both Houses of Parliament, without farther replye.

We likewise humbly answer, that we have not received any power or Instructions to treat with Your Majesty concerning Your returne to Your two Houses of Parliament; but We assure our selves they will give Your Majesty satisfaction therein.

Aprill 7. 1643.

HIs Majesty conceives His Answers already gi­ven (for He hath given two) to be very cleer and significant. And if the conclusion of the present Treaty on His Majesties first Proposi­tion, and the Proposition of both Houses, shall be so fully and perfectly made, that the Law or the Land may have a full, free, and uninterrupted Course, for the de­fence and preservation of the Rights both of His Majesty, both Houses, and His good Subjects, there will be thence a cleer evidence to His Majesty and His good Subjects of a future Peace, and no ground left for the continuance and Growth of these bloody Dissentions, and it will be such a conclusion as His Majesty intended.

His Majesty never intending that both Armies should re­maine undisbanded untill all the Propositions of both sides were fully concluded. But His Majesty is very sory that in that poynt of the first Proposition of both Houses, which hath seemed to be so much wished, and which may be so concluded as alone much to conduce to the evidence desi­red, (viz. His Returne to both Houses, to which His Ma­jesty in His Answer hath expressed Himselfe to be most rea­dy, whensoever. He may doe it with Honour and safety) they have yet no manner of Power nor instructions so much as to treat with His Majesty.

April. 7. 1643.

WEE have not transmitted Your Majesties answer to the Pro­position of Disbanding, wherein Your Majesty mentions Your selfe to be most ready to returne to both Your Houses of Parlia­ment, whensoever You may doe it with Honour and safety, for that we humbly conceive, we were to expect Your Majesties an­swer to that Proposition this day received, before we could give a due accompt thereof to both Houses of Parliament, the which wee will presently send away without farther reply.

April. 8. 1643.

BY Instructions this day received from both Houses of Parlia­ment, we humbly conceive that we are to acquaint Your Ma­jesty, that they have taken into consideration Your Majesties an­swer to their reasons concerning the Cessation, wherein there are diverse expressions which will occasion particular replies, which at this time they desire to decline, their wishes and endeavours being earnestly bent upon the obtaining a speedy Peace, for which cause they doe not think good to consume any more of the time allowed for the Treaty, in any farther debates upon the Cessation, concern­ing which they find Your Majesties expressions so doubtfull, that it cannot be suddenly or easily resolved, and the remainder of the time for the whole Treaty, being but seaven daies, if the Cessation were presently agreed, it would not yeeld any considerable advantage to the Kingdom.

Wherefore we are required to desire Your Majesty to give a speedy and positive answer to the first Proposition concerning the Disbanding, that so Your Subjects may not only have a shadow of Peace in a short time of Cessation, but the substance of it in such manner as may be a perpetuall blessing to them, by freeing the King­dom [Page 36] from those miserable effects of warre, the effusion of English blood, and desolation of many parts of the Land.

April. 10. 1643.

BY Instructions yesterday received from both Houses of Parlia­ment, we are commanded humbly to insist upon that part of the first Proposition of both Houses of Parliament, concerning the disbanding, according to the papers we have formerly presented to your Majesty thereupon. And we are humbly to acquaint your Majesty, that both Houses of Parliament doe conceive your Maje­sties Answer concerning the disbanding to be in effect a denyall, unlesse they dissert all those Cautions and limitations, which they have desired in their answer to your Majesties first Proposition.

April. 10. 1643.

BY Instructions from both Houses of Parliament yesterday recei­ved, we are commanded to declare unto your Maiesty the de­sire of both Houses for your Maiesties comming to your Parliament, which they have often expressed with full offers of security to Your Royall Person, agreeable to their duty and allegiance, and they know no cause why your Maiesty may not returne thither with Honour and safety, but they did not insert it into our Instructions, because they conceived the disbanding of the Armies would have facilita­ted your Maiesties resolution therein, which they likewise concei­ved was agreeable to your Maiesties sense, who in declaring your [Page 40] consent to the order of the Treaty, did only mention that part of the first Proposition which concerned the disbanding, and did omit that which concerned your Maiesties comming to both Houses of Par­liament.

April. 14. 1643.

HIS Majesty had great reason to expect, that as He answered to every part of the first Proposi­tion of both Houses, so the Committee should likewise have had power and Instructions to Treat with His Majesty concerning both parts of the same; nor had the Houses any Reason to suppose this course agreeable to His Majesties sense, for His Majesty in declaring his Consent to the order of the Treaty, indeed mentioned their first Proposition by the style of the first Proposition which concerned disbanding, but did not style it that part of the first Proposition which concerned dis­banding, as if He had meant to have excluded any part of that Proposition from being treated on, He would & ought to have done, but though his Majesties Answers in the point of disbanding and returne to His Parliament were as parti­cular and as satisfactory as His Majesty had cause to make, or could well give, till this latter part were consented to be Treated upon, yet out of His great desire of Peace, and of complying with both Houses, His Majesty hath made a full and particular answer and offer to both Houses, concerning aswell the first part of their first Article, upon which He hath reated with the Committee, as that upon which they have [Page 41] yet no power to treat, though His Majesty hath prest that such power might be given to them.

April. 14. 1643.

VVEE received Instructions from both Houses of Parlia­ment the ninth of this present April, and in pursu­ance thereof, we humbly presented a paper to Your Majesty upon the tenth of this instant, wherein those Instructions were ex­pressed, and the desire of both Houses concerning your Majesties returne to Your Parliament.

April. 15. 1643.

HIS Majesty doth acknowledge to have re­ceived a Paper from the Committee upon the tenth of April, expressing, That they had received Instructions, to declare unto His Majesty the desire of both Houses for His Majesties comming to His Parliament, which they had of­ten expres't with full offers of security to His Royall Per­son, agreeable to their Duty and Allegiance; and that they knew no cause why His Majesty might not returne thither with Honour and Safety. But as the Committee had be­fore acknowledged in a Paper of the fixth of April, not to have any power or Instructions to treat with His Majesty [Page 42] concerning His Returne to His two Houses of Parliament, and as this Paper mention'd no Instructions to treat, but onely to deliver that single Message concerning it, so His Majesty tooke it for granted that if they had received any new power or Instructions in that point, they would have signified as much to Him, and therefore conceiving it in vaine to discourse, and impossible to treat upon that, with those, who had no power to treat with Him, His Majesty addrest that Answer concerning that point to both Houses, of which his Majesty took notice to the Committee in a Paper of this fourteenth of April, and which was shewed to them before He sent it. And if both Houses will upon it but consent, to give his Majesty such security as will appear to all indifferent Persons to be agreeable to their Duty and Allegiance (those Tumults which drove Him from thence, and what followed those Tumults being a most visible and sufficient Reason why He cannot Returne thither with His Honour and Safety, without more particular offers of Secu­rity, then as yet they have ever made Him) all Disputes about that point betweene them will be soon ended, and His Majesty speedily returne to them, and His whole King­dome to their former Peace and Happinesse.