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            <head>A REPLY OF Lewis Sabran OF THE Society of <hi>JESUS,</hi> TO THE ANSWER given to his LETTER
Written to a Peer of the Church of <hi>England,</hi> by a Nameleſs Member of the ſame.</head>
            <opener>
               <salute>SIR,</salute>
            </opener>
            <p>
               <seg rend="decorInit">M</seg>Y Letter to a Peer of the Church of <hi>England,</hi> which you pretend to anſwer in that
which I now receive from you, hath clear'd me ſufficiently in the Opinion of all Men of Senſe,
of the Miſtake you charged me with; However, I am willing to caſt away half an Hour in minding
you more <hi>juſtly,</hi> and more <hi>Charitably</hi> of your diſingenuous Cavils; af<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ter
which I reſolve never to take any notice of ſuch unknown Masks, or Perſons who conceal their
Names, that their Errors when bafl'd, their Calumnies when clear'd, may not put them to the
Bluſh.</p>
            <p>
               <pb n="2" facs="tcp:50600:2"/>That Part of the Debate betwixt us, which you
maintain ſtill, is whether your accuſing me, <hi>of great Ignorance, or notorious
For<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gery,</hi> for citing a Form of Prayer to the Bleſſed Virgin, as made by St.
<hi>Auguſtin,</hi> being taken out of the 35 Sermon <hi>de Sanctis,</hi> printed in the 10th Tome
of his Works; And the Proofs you ſupport your Charge with, evince my Guilt; or rather caſt and
retort that Blame upon you, and diſcover your inconſide<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rate itch of Scribling, tho it be but
to nible at three Lines of the Introduction of a Sermon, the Diſcourſe whereof, tho it plainly
ſets out how unwarantable the Schiſm of your Church was from Catholic, Unity, you have
prudently thought fit to leave untouch'd.</p>
            <p>To make out your Charge againſt me, you offer'd theſe three Proofs.</p>
            <p>The Firſt, That the <hi>Title</hi> of that Sermon, <hi>in the Feaſt of the Aſſumption,
doth not agree at all to any thing that is near St.</hi> Auguſtins <hi>Time.</hi>
            </p>
            <p>I anſwered that your Meaning muſt be either, That no Feaſt<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>day of the Bleſſed Virgins
Aſſumption was kept in St. <hi>Augu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ſtin</hi>'s Days; or elſe, That nothing was piouſly
believ'd or thought of then concerning her Aſſumption: If the <hi>Firſt</hi> mean<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing was
yours, I prov'd that Inſtance to be of <hi>no Force;</hi> be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cauſe that Titles of a far
freſher Date than moſt Sermons of the Holy Fathers bore, have been affixed to them, which were
preach'd on the Days of ſuch Myſteries, or Saints Deaths, as were not then kept holy: Of this I
produc'd ſeveral In<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ſtances.</p>
            <p>As for the <hi>Second</hi> meaning of thoſe Words, I diſcover'd the Error, of taking thoſe
Words, <hi>on the Aſſumption,</hi> in the Sence they now vulgarly bear, whereas in the Holy
Fathers Lan<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>guage, when apply'd to Saints or the Bleſſed Virgin, they on<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly ſignified the Day
<hi>of their Death;</hi> of this I brought again many and plain Proofs; next I produced many
others, (to which I have more that may be added) to evince that in the Fourth and Fifth Century it
was piouſly believ'd, that the Bleſſed Vir<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gin was aſſumed in Body into Heaven, tho it
was not look'd upon as a certain Truth, made out from any Text of Scri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pture, unqueſtionable
Tradition from the Apoſtles, or Deciſion of the preſent Church. I conceiv'd this to be ſo
full an Anſwer to your firſt Proof, as would have forced any one leſs obſtinate
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than I find you, to have owned it of no value: But let us ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>amin what you reply.</p>
            <p>You tell us <hi>Firſt,</hi> That your meaning was to deny any Belief of the Aſſumption of
the B. Virgin to have been in St. <hi>Augu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ſtins</hi> Time, nor conſequently any Sermon on that
Subject, <hi>which this evidently is. Secondly</hi> that if <hi>Day of Aſſumption</hi> do but
<hi>almoſt ever</hi> ſignifie the Day of a Saints Death, why may not this be the Exception?
<hi>Thirdly,</hi> that it cannot be the meaning of this Title, ſince the Sermon ſpeaks of
<hi>Aſſumption of the Bleſſed Virgin, and that it was the Cuſtom of the Church to
believe, that the Virgin</hi> Mary <hi>was on the Day of that Solemnity aſſumed into
Heaven.</hi>
            </p>
            <p>This is all you add to ſupport your firſt Proof, that is, firſt a <hi>new Error,</hi> next
a <hi>falſe Inference,</hi> then a <hi>plain Cheat and Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tradiction.</hi>
            </p>
            <p>
               <hi>Tis an Error</hi> that there was not in St. <hi>Auguſtins</hi> time a gene<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ral pious
Belief (tho uncertain) of the Bleſſed Virgins Aſſum<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ption: I have made it out in my firſt
Letter, by many Proofs, which (as it is uſual with ſuch Writers) you have not been pleas'd to
take notice of, and I think unneceſſary to repeat: If you deſire others, you may find them in
<hi>Natalis Alexandres</hi> Cenſure, of the Book aſcribed to the Holy Biſhop
<hi>Meliton.</hi>
            </p>
            <p>'Tis a <hi>falſe Conſequence</hi> to ſay, <hi>Aſſumption</hi> doth not always
ſignifie the <hi>Death</hi> of a Saint, therefore here it <hi>may</hi> ſignifie the Corporal
Aſſumption of the Bleſſed Virgin, <hi>therefore it doth;</hi> yet this is your Inference,
when you bring that word in <hi>that Senſe</hi> againſt me, without any Proof for it. 'Tis a
wilful Miſ<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>take of yours, by which you make me ſay: That in the An<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cient Writings, <hi>Feaſt
or Day of Aſſumption</hi> when apply'd to Saints did <hi>only almoſt always</hi> ſignifie
the Day of <hi>their Death:</hi> It <hi>always</hi> bore that meaning apply'd to them, tho we
ſometimes find that in a different Senſe it ſignified the Feſtival kept on the Day of the
Coronation of Princes, or inthroning of Biſhops.</p>
            <p>'<hi>Tis a Cheat</hi> impos'd upon vulgar Readers to inſinuate that the 35th Sermon cited by
me, doth not ſpeak of the Bleſſed Vir<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gins Death, but of her <hi>Aſſumption</hi> in the
Senſe which that word now vulgarly bears. The Author of it Plainly expreſſes the contrary in
Words, like to thoſe we find in all the Writings of the ancient Fathers on this Subject. They be
theſe: The World is honour'd by <hi>ſo great a Virgins Departure, in what Order or Man<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ner
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ſhe paſſed hence to Heaven, the Catholic Church doth no way recount: neither is her Body
found on Earth, neither is her Aſſum<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ption in the Fleſh, (as it is read in the</hi>
Apocrypha's <hi>found in the Ca<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tholic Church; this is the true Opinion concerning her
Aſſumption, that not knowing whether in her Body or out of it, as the Apoſtle hath: We
believe her aſſumed above the Angels.</hi> Now what a <hi>Contradi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ction</hi> is it or a
<hi>plain Cheat,</hi> to ſay that this Sermon was preach<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed, when the Church did believe,
<hi>that the Virgin</hi> Mary <hi>was in the Day of that Solemnity aſſumed into
Heaven.</hi>
            </p>
            <p>Next you make a large flouriſh of 30 lines and an Eſſay of a School-boys Rhetoric, which
moves me to believe that 'tis not long ſince you are come from it. Your Subject is my <hi>groſs
Error</hi> in ſaying the 14th Sermon de Sanctis <hi>was allowed by all,</hi> that the
<hi>Title</hi> of it was, <hi>In the Feaſt of all Saints,</hi> the Subject, the Praiſes of a
Virgin and Martyr; you took great Pains to find it out as you aſſure us, thinking there might
have been in the Citation ſome Errors of the Preſs; but in vain, and therefore you lay it to my
Charge. So many particulars as were cited by me, would have ſufficiently directed any one that
was not reſolved to miſtake me, that he might fancy ſomething to object againſt. There are
but <hi>two</hi> 14th Sermons de Sanctis, that of the firſt ancient Collection, and that in the
other Compila<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion of 17, made by the <hi>Divines</hi> of <hi>Paris,</hi> the 14th of theſe I
cited, its Title is, <hi>In the Feaſt of all Saints,</hi> 'tis on a <hi>Virgin Mar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tyr,</hi> and
that you may miſtake it no more, take the firſt lines of it. <hi>We are put in mind by the
Solemnity of a Sacred Virgin which bore Witneſs to Chriſt, and receiv'd it from Chriſt
publickly put to Death, privately Crown'd,</hi> &amp;c. Pray, Sir, be hereafter ſomewhat leſs
raſh in your Rhetorical Declamations, which may do your Work in your Pulpits; but are ever
unbeſeeming in a Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>troverſie Letter, when ſo empty of all Reaſon.</p>
            <p>Your Second Objection was, That the Divines of <hi>Lovain</hi> tell us how <hi>in ſeveral MSS.
this Sermon was intituled Fulbertus Camoſenſis.</hi>
            </p>
            <p>I anſwered, this was no Proof in this Caſe; St. <hi>Ambroſe</hi>'s Sermons, St. <hi>Peter
Chryſologus</hi>'s, and others being not leſs un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>queſtionably owned to be theirs, tho ſome
antient MSS. inti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tled others to them. I gave ſeveral Inſtances of this Truth, which I
conceiv'd to bear away all Force from your Objection, which is all pretended unto, being in
Poſſeſſion of the ancient
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and general Perſwaſion that 'this Sermon was St. <hi>Auguſtins</hi> ge<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nuine Work.</p>
            <p>You have in your Anſwer, brought to ſupport your weak proof, <hi>Firſt,</hi> that I
omitted to take any notice of half of it, to wit, That the <hi>Benedictins</hi> of <hi>Paris</hi>
had MSS. in which this Sermon had no Authors name prefix'd. <hi>Secondly,</hi> you ask me whether I
would prove, becauſe St. <hi>Ambroſe</hi> his Sermons have appear'd in ancient MSS. under other
Authors Names, that therefore <hi>this</hi> Sermon <hi>muſt</hi> be St. <hi>Auguſtin</hi>'s,
tho' it bears not his Name either in the MSS. uſed by the <hi>Lovain</hi> Doctors, or the
<hi>Benedictins</hi> of <hi>Paris. Thirdly,</hi> you ſay that ancient Fathers Sermons are known
to be theirs, from their <hi>Stile,</hi> or becauſe aſſerted to them by the moſt and beſt
MSS. Your <hi>firſt</hi> Anſwer is <hi>ridiculous,</hi> your <hi>ſecond</hi> of <hi>no
force,</hi> and beſides evidently <hi>falſe</hi> and <hi>contradictory;</hi> the third
<hi>againſt your ſelf.</hi>
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            <p>Were it not <hi>ridiculous,</hi> after a <hi>poſitive</hi> Witneſs produced for a Plaintiff,
who challenges for his, Goods found in anothers hands; when ſuch an Evidence is proved of no
force, to preſent <hi>another,</hi> who only ſays, that <hi>he knows not to whom ſuch Goods
be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>long?</hi> Were it not a pleaſant folly, to value much ſuch a Wit<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>neſs, and pretend the
adverſe party muſt be <hi>much afraid</hi> he ſhould be heard? I pitied your weakneſs, Sir,
in bringing ſuch an ad<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ditional proof, and paſs it by, becauſe I love not to inſult on an
erring Adverſaries patent miſtake.</p>
            <p>But doth it follow from ſeveral Fathers Sermons appearing in MSS. under others Names, that
this <hi>35th.</hi> Sermon <hi>muſt</hi> be St. <hi>Auguſtin</hi>'s? No, Sir; but it
<hi>evidently</hi> follows, that it <hi>may be,</hi> for all the reaſon you offer to diſprove
it. But with what <hi>diſin<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>genuity</hi> and <hi>real forgery</hi> do you inſinuate
(<hi>pag.</hi> 7.) That <hi>this Ser<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mon bears not his</hi> (St. <hi>Auguſtin</hi>'s) <hi>Name
either in the MSS. uſed by the</hi> Lovain <hi>Divines, or by the</hi> Benedictins; when you own
your ſelf, that the <hi>Lovain</hi> Divines only ſay it is not in <hi>ſeveral</hi> of their
MSS.?</p>
            <p>But do you not egregiouſly <hi>deſtroy</hi> your own Cauſe, when you appeal to
<hi>moſt</hi> ancient MSS. and the known <hi>Stile</hi> of the Author? Was not that eminent
Doctor of the Catholic Church, St. <hi>Thomas</hi> of <hi>Aquine,</hi> better acquainted with St.
<hi>Auguſtin</hi>'s Stile, (being call'd <hi>Auguſtinus Contractus</hi>) than you dare, (if yet
there be any thing you dare not attempt) preſume your ſelf to be? Had he
<pb n="6" facs="tcp:50600:4"/>
not as great a plenty, He and all his Contemporaries, and of freſher Manuſcripts?</p>
            <p>Your <hi>laſt Inſtance</hi> was, That <hi>Iſidore</hi> being quoted in that Ser<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mon,
'<hi>tis certain</hi> that it was not written two hundred years after St. <hi>Auguſtin,</hi> and
<hi>probably</hi> not till a thouſand years after Chriſt, being <hi>Fulbertus</hi> his
work.</p>
            <p>I anſwered, That it <hi>was evident,</hi> the <hi>Iſidore</hi> quoted there <hi>could
not</hi> be him you mean, or any of that Name that lived after St. <hi>Au<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>guſtin,</hi> and
therefore muſt be ſome one of thoſe many and illuſtri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ous <hi>Iſidores</hi> who lived in
and before his time. This I proved evi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dently from the following words of this very Sermon in
debate. <hi>In our time no Author amongſt the Latins can be found, who treating of the
Bleſſed Virgins Death hath been poſitive and expreſs;</hi> for no one could be ignorant of
what ſo famous an Author as St. <hi>Gregory Fur.</hi> had in his Hiſtory plainly and fully
written in the ſixth Age, or of that Sermon cited under the Name of St. <hi>Hierom,</hi> and
cer<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tainly written by one who lived near the time of the fourth Gene<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ral Council; a Sermon cited by
the famous <hi>Hinkmar</hi> Biſhop of <hi>Rhemes</hi> in the ninth Century. <hi>J. Odilo,</hi>
and ſeveral others of the ſame Age of <hi>Fulbertus,</hi> or of the Book adſcribed to St.
<hi>Meli<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ton,</hi> which was piouſly valued by many, as <hi>John Camoſenſis,</hi>
Contemporary to <hi>Fulbertus,</hi> acknowledges. This was a full An<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ſwer; but you muſt attempt
to diſprove it.</p>
            <p>
               <hi>Firſt,</hi> you ſay, That I cannot prove that any of thoſe <hi>Iſidores</hi> who
were before St. <hi>Auguſtin</hi> were Writers. <hi>Secondly,</hi> that had I look't into the
<hi>Lovain</hi> Edition of St. <hi>Auguſtin,</hi> I ſhould have ſeen out of what Book of that
<hi>Iſidore,</hi> who lived in the ſeventh Century, the paſſage is taken. <hi>Thirdly,</hi>
That my believing this Sermon to be St. <hi>Auguſtin</hi>'s, becauſe <hi>Thomas Aquinas</hi>
(who is no leſs eminent a Saint for your refuſing to call him ſo) believed it, after the
Judgment of the <hi>Lovain</hi> Divines, and preſent <hi>Benedictins</hi> of <hi>Paris,</hi> is
an <hi>unbecoming obſtinacy.</hi> Your <hi>firſt</hi> Anſwer is <hi>childiſh;</hi> your
<hi>ſecond</hi> was anſwered in my firſt Letter; your <hi>third</hi> a proof of a moſt
<hi>proud raſhneſs,</hi> in ſlighting the Authority of a Doctor ſo eminent, that above one
half of the Divines of the Chriſtian World do own him for Maſter, and bind themſelves to
maintain all he hath taught.</p>
            <p>After I have proved that the Sermon, in which one <hi>Iſidore</hi> is ci<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ted, muſt of
neceſſity have been made in or about St. <hi>Auguſtin</hi>'s
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time; is it not a childiſh Anſwer, to pretend that I muſt beſides prove ſome
<hi>Iſidore</hi> before his time was a Writer, before I can make out that it was not that
<hi>Iſidore</hi> (who lived not of two hun<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dred years after him) that he cited in his
Writings?</p>
            <p>I have alſo in my Letter to the <hi>Proteſtant Peer</hi> ſhewed that the Citation of
<hi>Iſidore</hi> could not be made out to be taken out of the Book cited by the <hi>Lovain</hi>
Doctors, the doubt there propoſed be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing obvious, having been made before St.
<hi>Auguſtin</hi>'s time, by St. <hi>Epiphanius, &amp;c.</hi>
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            <p>But pray, Sir, by what Equivocation will you excuſe him who ſhall ſay, <hi>No body writ of
ſuch a ſubject poſitively,</hi> only mean<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing that what was written <hi>was not true?</hi>
yet thus you make the holy Biſhop <hi>Fulbertus</hi> to ſpeak. I never ſaid (as you intimate)
that St. <hi>Bernard</hi> disbelieved the bleſſed Virgins Aſſumption, his
<hi>Epiſtle</hi> 174. ſhews he piouſly believed it, tho' not as certain. Let me add, That if
you will but read the Sermon in debate, and <hi>Fulbertus</hi> his ſecond Sermon of the Nativity
of the B. Virgin, you will be forced to own the ſame could not be Author of both; the
<hi>One</hi> aſſuring us, that the Church taught nothing of the Corporal Aſſumption of the
Virgin; the <hi>Other</hi> teaches, that <hi>Chriſtian Piety</hi> (all pious Chriſtians)
<hi>believed that Chriſt raiſed gloriouſly his Mo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther, and placed her above the
Heavens;</hi> and that even St. <hi>John</hi> Baptiſt did partake of her Glory.</p>
            <p>As for the <hi>18th.</hi> Sermon <hi>de Sanctis,</hi> which I ſaid was owned by the
<hi>Lovain</hi> Divines, let me tell you, that you impoſe upon leſs thinking Readers, when you
repreſent <hi>that</hi> my aſſertion as <hi>falſe. Natalis Alexandre,</hi> one of the
lateſt Critics, acknowledges they own it, and on that ſcore cites it. But your proof, I
confeſs, forced a ſmile from me; 'tis that they put this Note before it, <hi>Some at<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tribute
this Sermon to Fulgentius.</hi> Your Inference hath as little of common ſenſe, as this
following one would have of force againſt me; <hi>that I own ſome have attributed the</hi>
35th. <hi>Sermon</hi> de Sanctis <hi>to</hi> Fulbertus, <hi>therefore I do not believe it to be
St.</hi> Auguſtin'<hi>s.</hi> This Inference is to me a piece of very new, and very rare
Logic.</p>
            <p>Here, Sir, I part with you, hoping I have ſatisfied all reaſonable men that I had ground
enough to cite this <hi>35th.</hi> Sermon of St. <hi>Auguſtin</hi>'s, without <hi>ignorance</hi>
or <hi>forgery,</hi> and that my charge againſt you. <hi>That the Church of</hi> England <hi>is
condemned by your own words, as guilty of Schiſm, for ſeparating from the Church of</hi> Rome
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               <hi>on that account of the Invocation of Saints, which was taught by St.</hi> Au<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>guſtin, <hi>and
all the Fathers of his Age, and the precedent Century,</hi> is evidently made out beyond the
poſſibility of a ſeeming Anſwer, or it would have had it, from One who hath <hi>Time</hi>
and <hi>Confidence</hi> enough to nibble at a ſhort Prayer ſet in the entrance of a Ser<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mon,
tho' not on deſign to clear any point there debated; and to accuſe me of <hi>Forgery</hi> and
<hi>Diſingenuity,</hi> without any proof in hand to make good ſo heavy a charge, and to
juſtifie his moſt inſolent boaſting. I am ſorry, Sir, that you force from me harſher
words than I would ever uſe, except in the defence of Truth, which you unavoidably put me upon,
who nevertheleſs ſhall ever ſo far diſtinguiſh betwixt <hi>the Man</hi> and <hi>his
Errors,</hi> as to be equally a conſtant Enemy to <hi>Theſe,</hi> and,</p>
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               <salute>SIR,</salute>
               <signed>Your true Friend and Servant, LEWIS SABRAN, <hi>of the Society of
Jeſus.</hi>
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