Here be .vij. Dia­logues.

  • The fyrst is of the sōne and of the Moone.
  • The se­conde of Saturne, and of the Clowde.
  • The .iii. of the Sterre named Trans­montana, and o­ther sterres.
  • The .iiij. of the euyn Sterre and the morowe sterre.
  • The .v. of the Raynebowe, and the sygne Cancer.
  • The .vi. of Heauen, and of Earth.
  • The .vij of the Eyre, and of the wynde.

¶By these dialogues, a man maye take to hym selfe good Counsayle.

¶ Of the Sōne, & the Moone. The fyrste Dialogue.

AS the Phylosofers sayth, the Sonne is the iye of ye worlde / the gladnesse, and the Iocundyte of the daye / the beautie of Heuen / the measure of tyme, the vertue and orygynall of all thynges gro­wyng, the lord of all planettes, the le­der and perfectour of al planettes and sterres. ¶ The Moone also as sayeth Ambrose exameron, is bewtye of the nyght, mother and mynyster of all hu­mours, measure of all tymes, guyder of the see, chaunger of ye ayre folower of the Sōne. And for as moche as she is moste lyke vnto the Sonne, vpon a tyme she began to detract and defame the Sonne, the whiche he perceyuyng spake to the Moone & said: Why doest thou backebyte me & blasphemest me / I haue euer gyuen the lyght and gone [Page] afore the to thy profyte, & thou hatest me and maliciously malignest agaynst me. Go from me sayde the Moone for I loue ye nat. For thy great bryghtnes causeth me to be set lytel store by in the worlde. For & thou were nat, I shulde be in great dygnyte. The Sōne answered & sayd. O thou vncurteys creature be thou content with thy degre. For as I shyne in the day tyme and bere than the rule, so thou without impedyment occupyest all the nyght at thyne owne pleasure. Let vs therfore mekely obey vnto our maker, & exalte nat thy selfe by pryde, but suffre me pacyently to do as I am ordeyned, and do yu thy duety. The Moone consyderynge no reason in great angre departed and gathered togither all the sterres, and began ba­tell, & shot arowes agaynst the Sōne, and entended vtterly with dartes and arowes to smyte hym & destroye hym. The Sōne beyng aboue and at a vaū­tage seynge al this cruelnes, drewe out [Page] his sworde and smote the Moone a sonder, & threwe downe the sterres & sayd, as often as yu art rownde, I shal departe the. For this cause as fables reporte the Moone conceyueth nat rownde, & sterres oftentymes fall downe. And so the Moone was confused and sayde.

Les hurt is to ye fit yuer, to be parted ī twayne
Than to be all lost, & brought v̄nto vayne.

SO in lykewyse moche people be­yng inflate and blowen vp with pryde & elaciō, wold be lyke vnto the Sōne, and haue domynacion abo­ue all other, and by theyr wylles wolde that none were aboue them, nor lyke vnto them, as the glose sayth. Pride is a brēnyng eleuacyon in the mynde, dyspysyng them that be vnder, and wolde be equall with them that be aboue, for why as Crysostom sayth, desyre of exaltacion is great synne, and vtterly to be dyspysed, and suffraunce is worshipful and cōmendable. It is wrytten & sayd, yt the prowde people be lyft on heyght, [Page] bycause theyr fall shuld be ye more gre­uous. For he that falleth but lowe may soone aryse as the Poete sayth. But he that falleth from on hyghe may nat so esely be restored to helth. Braunches of a tree growynge alowe, be conserued from tēpestes, as wryteth Crysostom. But they yt be on hygh be oftentymes broken and in great ieoperdye. Wherfore Quintus Curci{us} sayth, that a cer­tayne persone said vnto kynge Alexaū­der, that a tree beyng of great heyght may the sooner be blowen vp by ye rote. And thoughe a Lyon be myghtye and prowde, yet be smal byrdes fedde with his flesshe. ¶A Phylosopher came to the tombe of Alexaunder and sayd / ye­sterday to this man suffysed nat all the worlde. Nowe is he suffysed wt the space of .vij. fote long. And therfore pryde is to be reproued. &c.

¶Of Saturne & the Clowde. The seconde Dialogue.

PHylosophers wryte that there be .vij. planettes / yt is to say, Saturne, Iupiter, Mars, Sol, Venus, Mercurye, & Luna. But there is great space by­twene planet & planet. For as Moyses greatest of Phylosophers reherseth & sayth / also it is wryten in ye golden le­gende, yt euery compas of euery planet hath in thyckenes ye way of .v.C. yeres yt is to meane, asmoche space as a man may iourney and walke in .v.C. yeres / so that dayly his iourney extended to .xl. myles / & euery myle to bere ī length ii.M. pace. Vpon a tyme a great thicke clowde began to exalte her self & sayd. Myne excellencye is great, for I maye by interposycion of my greatnes cause yt other planettes may nat shewe them selfe in the world but at my wyll. Se­ynge that I am vnder other planettes and may do so moche, yf I were exal­ted hygher, than myght I do moche [Page] more. And thus this clowde prowdly ascended vpwarde tyl she came to Saturne. Saturne seyng this clowde presumptuously aplying to go aboue hym was sore greued & sayd vnto her, what arte thou that coueytest with pryde to ascend there as neuer man cam. I shal ascende aboue the said the clowde, and ouerthrowe the. That heryng Satur­ne and sore moued, ordeyned harneys and wepyn / and stopped fast the waye and threwe downe the clowde, and dy­stroyed hym for euer and sayde.

¶He that coueyteth to be aboue all
No force thoughe he haue a fowle fall.

SO befell it to Nabugodonosor / whiche desyred to be aboue all o­ther kynges and prynces, and to be called kyng of all kynges, and Lorde of all lordes. For pryde nat consyderynge that almyghty God h [...] dom [...]na­cyon aboue all earthly lordshyp [...] as it is specifyed, Danyell .iiij. Whan the herte of Nabugodon [...]s [...] was lyfte vp [Page] by pryde, wherfore he was deposed frō his dygnyte, wherof it was sayde vnto hym. The dwellyng of ye shalbe amon­ge wylde beastes, & God shall eiect the and cast the out from mans company / and thou shalte eate hay lyke an Oxe, and .vij. seasons shalbe chaunged ouer the. It is writen in Hystory scolastical that Nabugodonosor was nat chaunged in to a beast vnreasonable by mutacyon and chaunge of the body / but by mutacyon and elienacion of his wytte and reason / and also the eloquencie of his speche was taken from hym / and he feined hymselfe yt in his forelymbes of his body he was lyke to an Oxe or a bul, & in his hinder parties he thought hymselfe to be lyke a lyon. Daniel also at the time of his elienacion prayed for hym so hertely, yt the .vij. seasons / that is to say .vij. yeres by his prayers were chaunged into .vij. monethes. In the whiche .vij. monethes the space of .xl. dayes he had great infirmite & disease [Page] Other .xl. dayes within the sayde .vij. monethes he retourned to his mynde / and prayde with great wepyng so lar­gely that his iyen were tourned in to rednes / & lyke vnto rawe flesshe. Many one went to haue a syght of hym / after that .vii. monethes were fully complete and fulfyld, he was reuoked and called agayne vnto his fyrste estate / but he raygned nat immediatly / for there we­re ordeyned .vij. Iudges, and so he con­tynued in abstynence & penaunce vnto the ende of .vij. yeres neuer eate breade nor flesshe / nor dranke wyne in al that longe season.

¶Of a sterre called Trāsmon­tana / and other sterres. The thyrde Dialogue.

A Sterre whiche is cal­led Trāsmōtana standeth euer fyxe in ye nauyll of the heauen / and goth neuer to declyne, nor laboureth nat by compasse [Page] circuler as other sterres doth. It is as a map [...] or a path of ye see / to the whi­che shypmen gyue great attendaunce. All other sterres gathered them togy­ther and came to this sterre and sayde. Thou syttest alwaye styll and hast ease and rest / and we go aboute and labour without rest, & be thy seruaūtes, aryse thou a whyle and let another be soue­raygne & occupye thy rome. To whom this sterre Transmontana answered and sayd / ye knowe nat what ye wolde haue for your desyre is nat leafull nor to you expedyent / for I haue great la­bour and great fatigacion to rule you. And yf I dyd nat wysely conserue you in your places and mocyons / ye shulde greatly erre for lacke of a good guyder Wherfore I coū [...]eyl you to be content and in peace. But the other sterres wolde nat be pleased / but rather more wylfuller to haue theyr petycion, & said al at ones. We pray ye to suffre vs to cho­se another guyder. Trāsmōtana then [Page] beholdynge theyr frowarde wylfulnes departed from them / and went & com­playned to his lorde & maker. The ster­res that seyng made great exaltacyon and gladnes / & applyed them to make election of a newe guyder / but therin they coulde nat agre / but fell at vary­aunce and began to fyght eche with o­ther & as shepe lackynge a shepeherde they erred and fell out of good rule. At last whan they consydered the felycytie that they were in somtyme by the polycye and good guydynge of theyr soue­raygne / and ye great myserye that was fallen to them for lacke of hym. They fell in repentaunce and came to theyr fyrste guyder / and prayde hym to take them to grace / and to rule them as he had done before, and confirmed hym in his worshyppe / and sayde all at ones with one voyce.

The guyder yt guydeth, with vertue & grace
Shulde neuer be chaunged, lest that a worse haue his place.

EVen so it is conuenyent for vs to do when we haue a good ruler the which ryghtfully ruleth and guydeth vs, we be boūde to loue hym, and to do hym honour and worshyp / & nat lyghtly to chaunge hym, but cherysshe hym after our power for the great la­boure that he hath to guyde vs for our wele. The degre of gouernaunce is called great worship, but it is great char­ge as Barnarde sayeth / what is wor­shyp or power, but a great burdayne & myserie. Or what is sublymyte or dygnyte of the worlde, but a perylous and doubtful tempest. Who may be in worshyp or prelacye without payne or try­bulacyon. Or who is in dygnyte with­out vanite, as Valery telleth. liber .vij. Of a kynge that was of so great wyt, and so great counsell / that when the Crowne was delyuered to hym he held it long betwene his handes or he set it vpon his heade, and considering it wel and sayd. O noble and fortunable gar­lande [Page] / howe full of besynes and peryll art thou, innumerable to be tolde. For as Augustyn sayth. There is nothyng more laborious, more harde, nor more peryllous, than is to haue great domynacion or sygnyorye, and therfore Va­lerius doth shewe vnto vs in libro .vij. of Corneli scipion / that when Spayne was fallen vnto him / he answered and said he wolde nat go thyther / & shewed the cause why. For he could nat do equite & ryghtwysnes, for he thought hym selfe nat connynge ne suffycyent to so great a worshyp / and so great a peryll togyther.

¶ Of the euen sterre and the morowe sterre. The .iiij. Dialogue.

VEsperus is called the nyght sterre / and Lucyfer the daye sterre / whiche appereth in the morenynge. These two sterres gathered togyther all other sterres [Page] / and went with one assent to the creatour and maker of all sterres / and made vnto hym their supplicacion and sayd. Gracyous lorde thou art a good maker / and we therfore thanke the, for thou hast ordeyned and bestowed vs in the best wyse. But for this cause we be troubled that our beawte & bryghtnes is nat alwaye shewed. Therfore Lorde we mekely beseche the to take the lyght from the Sōne / and make hym darke that our bryghtnes in ye day tyme may appere & be shewed. To whom the lord and maker answered and said / your petycyon is nat lawfull, for the Sōne is the garnyssher of the day, the distrybu­tour of hours, ye Orygynall of all thyn­ges growing, & without hym nothyn­ge may encrease. Therfore I wyll nat condescende to your petycyon, for it is nat exaudible nor worthy to be alowed Wherfore the sterres seyng they could nat haue theyr desyre went agayne to­gyther, and fourmed a newe petycyon, [Page] and offred it to theyr maker and sayd. O blessed Lorde and maker of all crea­tures, we beseche the at least to drye vp and put awaye the clowdes out of the ayre, the which let our bryght lyght to be shewed. For oftentymes for theyr lettynge we maye nat appere / nor be kno­wen as we be. And therfore lowly we praye the, that where as our fyrste as­kynge was denyed vs, of thy goodnes graunt vs this seconde petycion & de­syre. The lorde and maker consyderynge theyr symples, gaue them this an­swere with a sad countenaunce & sayd. Holde your peace and desyre nat vnleaful thing{is}, for I wyl nat graunt them, for it is wrytten in the boke of Caton. Aske that is ryghtfull, & that yt semeth honest, ye clowdes be necessary thoughe ye thynke contrarye. For they wt theyr rayne moysten the earthe. Yf no rayne shuld fall ye earth colde nat be fruytfull and wt this answere he put the sterres from theyr desyre, & sayd in this wyse.

¶ That petycion maye iustely be denyed
Whiche at no tyme, to reason is applyed.

BY this example it apereth that he that wyll be harde in his prayers or in his supplycacion / must aske the thynges yt be ryghtfull, honest and reasonable to be graunted. Wherfore seynt Austyn sayeth / when ye aske the thing{is} which god laudeth and promy­seth / then is your askyng sure, for that peticion is soone graūted of god. Therfore Isodore sayth trewe. Many men praying be nat harde in theyr askynge. For god graūteth them better & more for theyr welth then they desyre. Senec sayth in the .ij. boke of benefites. That a certayne persone on a tyme asked .i.d of Alexander, and he gaue him an hole towne. And when the peticioner than­ked Alexander / and sayde he was nat worthye nor able to receyue so great a gyfte. Alexaunder answered and sayde to hym / I retayne nat in my mynde what becōmeth the to aske, but what [Page] becōmeth me to gyue. So almyghtye god doth, for oftentymes he graunteth nat our askyng, bycause he wyll auaū­ce our peticion with a better, and more profitable rewarde. And therfore sayth Isodore. Somtymes God heareth nat many folkes to theyr pleasure, for he wyl gracyously here them to theyr mo­re profyte and health.

¶Of the Raynbowe / and of a sygne called Cancer. The v. Dialogue.

OVr Lordes bowe af­ter ye fyrste flode ap­pered in the clowdes hauing two colours that was waterye & fyery, signyfying the iudgement cōmyng, which bowe appered by the space of xl. yeres after the buyldynge of the Arke, as it is sayd Historie scolasticall. Can­cer is one of the sygnes of heuen, & this [Page] worde Cancer is Equiuocū, & hath ma­ny significaciōs, but natwithstanding here it betokeneth the sygne of heauen And so this sygne Cancer wēt vnto the Raynbowe in a great anger and sayd. Thou art to bolde, for all heuen is lytel ynough for ye, in so moch yt thou besyest ye to let me of my course, & other sterres that shulde occupy there. Wherfore I aduyse the to be remoued lightly, or els thou shalt be surely coryed of me & my company. The bowe answered & sayd. Brother thou spekest nat wel, for I am nat aboute to let the of thy waye, for I shewe my selfe but in the day tyme, and thou ī the nyght rōnest where pleaseth the. Wherfore me thynketh yf thou entende to fyght with me, thou arte euyll aduysed for this cause. For thou mayst gather great company of sterres to holde with the. And I haue frēdes ynowe, both clowdes and also great thonders to fyght agaynst ye for all thy strength, & so there may growe great myschefe. [Page] But I wyll counceyll the for the best, that we do go before a ryghtwise iudge that he may termyne the questyon by a dyffynytyfe sentence, and let the fawte be punysshed there as it is, wherto Cā­cer agreed. And whē they both were be­fore the presence of the Iudge, and had shewed there vnto hym theyr matter. The Iudge spake than and sayd thus. Thou wycked Cancer, it is against the lawe or reason, yf ye prehemynence that thou askest and desyrest of the bowe. Yf thou haue thy wyll & walkynge in the nyght tyme, and the bowe but onely in the day tyme, howe maye it be credyble that he letteth thy waye. Therfore this is my sentence agaynst the. ¶ I wyll & charge the that thou neuer appere in the day tyme. And I condempethe in all expences & costes of the courte, Can­cer hearynge this sentence, was greatly a shamed and sayde.

¶A besy man / that is full of questyon
Causeth to hym self, oft great confusyon.

OF dyuers Philosophers the saying is / that the earth is the mydel parte of ye worlde. the conseruer of fruytes, the couerynge of hell, the norys­sher of all quycke thinges. The mother of all growyng thynges. The conseruatryce of lyfe / & the swalower of all thynges. ¶ Vpon a tyme heuen sent downe to ye earth here many great tempestes / of rayne, of thonder, and of lyghtnyng, wherby he greued the earth verye sore, when she was angry and greatly dys­plesed she called the ayre to her & sayd. Brother ayre I pray the medyll nat by­twene heauen and me, for myne entente is vtterly fyxed to ouerthrowe hym, for he hath done great wronge & iniu­ry vnto me, that I hope to be auenged vpon hym with suche wayes as I can fynde. To whom ye ayre answered and sayd. Do nat so syster, but let thy wrath passe. For thoughe it be so that heauen haue greued the nowe, another tyme ye [Page] shall be frendes & make mery togither. The earth beyng blynde and ouercome with anger wolde nat cease, but ran & caught harneys, & began to fyght wt heuen. That seyng ye ayre raysed vp great darkenes, & brought forth great clow­des, & caused so great thyckenes, that the earth coulde nat discerne where he­uen was. And that contynewed so lon­ge, vntyll the wrath and wodnes was clene gone. Than after that ye ayre sent out wyndes and purged the countrey, and droue away the mystes & darknes­ses, and made all clere and sayde.

¶ Of yre and malyce / to do out the flame
we be all boūde / & nat to nurysshe ye same.

EVery man ought so to do when he seth his frendes and neyghbours wroth togyther. For after the sayinge of Caton. Yre & wrath letteth the mynde that it may nat discerne truth. For a man yt is angry is past his myn­de, and therfore he is to be temperatly guyded and refrayned by his frendes, [Page] tyll he be remoued from that wodnes / and tyll wrath in hym be ended. For as Seneca sayth The begynnyng of wysdom is to moderate yre and wrath / for he that ouercōmeth wrath / doth ouer­come his greatest ennemye, as Valery telleth whan Archita Tarentius was greued with his seruaunt, he said vnto hym. O thou vnhappy creature nowe wolde I correcte the / yf I were nat at this tyme wroth with the. Wherby it appereth that Yre and malyce is to be voyded out of mynde. For it is sayde in ye boke of Prouerbes .xxvij. Yre hath no mercye. Therfore a Iudge ought neuer to gyue sentence whyle he is an­grye. Wherfore it is red in thystoryes of Romaynes yt Theodosius the empe­rour was often tymes prompt and dys­posed to do cruell execucyon. But there was a wyse man that gaue hym coun­ceyl that whan he felt hymselfe greued and angry / or euer he gaue any senten­ce he shulde saye and reherse softly with [Page] in hymselfe .xxiij. letters of the .A.b.c. That his mynde myght be refresshed / and so to muse what was best to be done / and that he myght the more rypely se and knowe what iudgement ought ryghtwysly to be gyuen with good discrecyon and delyberacyon.

¶Of the ayre and the wynde. The .vij. Dialogue,

AS ye Phylosophers sayth the ayre is the spiracle of all thyng{is} lyuynge with out whom al thynges is soone choked / and dyeth that is lyuynge. The wynde also is the dryer of ye earth / the mouer of waters, and troubler of the ayre. And bycause he is troubler of the ayre / the ayre cau­sed hym to be cited before ye hygh iudge and maker of all thynges & sayd. O al­myghty lord and maker of all thynge / Loke vpon me I beseche the / and haue mercye vpon me. Thou hast ordeyned [Page] me suffycyently / and indewed me with great pryuylege, wherfore I gyue lau­de and thanke vnto the. For thou hast made me to be lyfe of all thynges. But for this cause I am greatly troubled & vexed with the wynde / for he euer ma­keth me colde / and causeth me to be vntemperate. Therfore I say vnto hym / yf euer from henseforth he presume for to blowe vpon me / I wyll choke hym and put hym from his lyfe. To whom the maker answered & sayd Ayre thou spekest nat well / thoughe ye wynde ma­ke the colde and beat ye with his blast / neuertheles he yeldeth the purged and temperate. yf it so were that the wynde blewe nat on the / thou shuldest be sicke and corrupte both tedious and hateful to euery man / wherfore thou oughtest to loue hym that conserueth ye in good estate / and so the ayre was wel pleased and sayde.

¶Correctours yt correct vs for our own good
we ought to loue & to suffre with glad mood.

SO euery creature ought to loue them that correct them and she­weth them theyr fautes / and entende to reduce them to goodnesse and to the waye of truth. For truely ye sycke man that denyeth to drynke the bytter drynke that his leche gyueth hym wyll nat suffere hymselfe to be cured, and so he shall neuer be delyuered from his feblenes. And he yt hateth his correctour shal nat be well directed. Valery sayth That a man loueth nat his leche / whē he wyll nat suffre hym that rebuketh hym for his good. But trewe it is that Crysostom sayth. He shall haue hatred that repreueth the synful. And Seneca sayeth. He seketh a blame to hym selfe, that rebuketh the wycked man. Suche be nat wysemen, but rather they be foles, as sayth Ecclesiastes. A wyse mā loueth to be rebuked / but a fole is wroth yf he be correct. Therfore correct a wyse man / & he shall loue the. Prouerb .ix It is wrytten in the lyfe of saynt Am­brose, [Page] that when Theodosius the emperour had punysshed dyuers & dwellers of that countrey without delyberacyon and iudgement. Ambrose the archebysshop of Mylayne expulsed hym out of the Churche / althoughe he was a cry­sten Emperour. And when the Empe­rour knewe it / he sayde vnto Ambrose. Dauid cōmytted both adultery & manslaughter. And Ambrose answered. Yf thou hast folowed hym in his erroure / folowe also the penaunce of hym. The Emperour that herynge, was very contryte inwardly and dyd great penaun­ce and sayde. I haue founde a man of trouth Ambrose the bisshop. And so the Emperour ordeyned that no man shulde be iudged to deathe wtout .xl. dayes of resoyte / that yre myghte be swaged and ye mynde myght be the more clere / that ryghtwysnes myght be sene in gyuynge of Iudgement.

¶Finis.

¶ Imprynted by me Robert wyer, dwell­ynge in seynt Martyne parysshe. Ad imprimendum solum.

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