The first particular protestant Demon­stration, why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thin­ges with protestants: is, because by their owne testimonies, yt would bee an act and offence, vnreasonable, irreligious and damnable.

THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke, or member of the Romane church, to communi­cate in Religion, and spirituall thinges, with the protestants of England, I demonstrate, by their owne testimonies: And first argue thus.

Noe professors of Religion may lawfully, and with securitie, forsake that church, and communion, in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues, there is saluation, and [Page 2] many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints, to communicate with a new Religion, whereof there is noe such hope, or certaine ex­pectation: But the state of Catholicks by com­municating w [...]th protestants, and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome, should bee in this [...]erplexitie, euen by thes protestants con­fession: Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church, to ioyne with thes protestants, in such busines. The fi [...]st proposition is euidently true: for good thinges, and certaine, may not bee left, and forsaken for thinge [...] either euill, or vncer­tainely good. And that men may not commu­nicate in a straunge Religion, is confirmed by D. Couell, and M. Hull, prouinge yt, by many Couell exā. [...]a. 200. 201 Hul. Rom. [...]ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff. exā of petit. pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref. [...]pist. apolo­ [...]tic. pag. [...]5. 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. &c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples, and testimonies of scriptures, and antiquitie, T [...]at wee may not communi [...]ate [...]ith men of a diuers Religion. D. Sutcliffe telleth vs, that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church, and of aun [...]i [...]nt Christian Emp [...]rors. The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures. M. Powell is plentifull in this matters, and not needfull to bee cited, no [...] man of learninge and conscience, affirminge communion in a false, or contrary Religion to bee lawfull. The minor proposition, of certain­tie of saluation in the Roman church, is thus confirmed by thes protestants, D. Feilds wor­des bee thes: the Romane and la [...]ine church con­tinued the true church of God euen till our tyme, and againe in this maner: Wee doubt not but the church of R [...]me: in which the Bishop thereof exal­t [...]d himselfe, was not withstanding [...] the true c [...]urch of God, that is hel [...] a sauing profession of [Page 3] the truthe in Christ, and by force thereof conuer­ted many contryes from error to truthe. D. Couell writeth thus, in the name of them all: Prote­stants Couell def. of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee t [...] family of [...]hesus Christ, they of Rome Were. & still are, in the church, it [...] straun­ge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church. Wee affirme them of the Romane church, Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ, and that those that lyue and dye in that church, may bee sa­ued. Yett both hee, and D. Feild giue this sen­tence: Couell sup. pag. 76. Feild. p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there i [...] noe saluation, remission of synnes, or hope of eternall life out of the church. D. Feild further telleth vs, that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned (that coulde not pleade Ignorance) bee saued and Saints in hea­uen. Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is, for princes to bee saued: Barl. ag. a name l [...]sse Cathol. Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat. of greate Bri­tan. yett D. Willet writeth thus: it is not denyed by any protestant, but many renowned kinges, and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in hea­uen, The names of our moste holy kinges, and Queenes of England, which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes, and kingdomes, to become pore Monkes & Nunnes in that church and Religion, and to bee, chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one [...]ar­the, and now glorious Saints in heauen, are too many to bee recited. Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs, that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ, they that liue and dye in yt, come to heauen, and many such are soe renowned Saints with God in heauen, and that out of the true church there is noe salua­tion, [Page 4] remission of sinnes, or hope of eternall li­fe, and there is but one true church; Catholicks in conscience cannot forsake the Religion and communion of that sacred and sauing Roman church, to communicate with protestants.

Againe I argue thus: That church, and Reli­gion, [...]. vnto which all former good Christians of this kingdome, whether Brittanes, Romanes, Saxons, Danes, Noruegians, or Normans kin­ges or subiects were vnited in Religion, vntill the tyme of kinge Henry the eight, is still in all prudent Iudgment to bee continued in, and communicated withall: But the Romane church and Religion is such: Therfore not to bee forsaken. The maior proposition is euiden­tly true: for of necessitie that Religion of Christ which is good, and maketh the professors of it such, is to bee embraced, and followed, and they which embrace, and followe yt, to bee imitated, and communicated with, and the contrary to bee auoyded and forsaken; for as it is the nature of goodnes, and good thinges, to bee desired and embraced: Soe of euill, & such things, to bee left and refused. The Minor pro­position is manifest by too many protestants to bee recited in this place: I will therefore onely alledge their cheifest latest, and moste approued writers. M. Speed taking vppon him the name of the Author, of the late booke, called, the Theater of greate Britaine, is soe partiall a re­porter Theater of greate Brit. in all chri­stian kings vntill Henry 8. of things for protestants, by Instigation of their Bishops, and Ministers, that hee is ta­xed by all indifferent men that were either the Composers of yt, or that haue perused it with equall Iudgment: And yett hee is wittnes [Page 5] through the Regiments of all Christian kings of England from Lucius the first vnrill the de­solution begen by K. Henry the eight, that the popes supreamacies, Holy sacrifices of Masse, prayer to Saincts, and for the deade, reuerence of Holy relicks, and Images, pilgrimage, purgatory, and other catholicke doctrines, now impugned by protestants, were euer allowed, and generally practiced in this kingdome by practice and de­uoute profession whereof (to omit subiects though of high renowne, sonnes and daugh­ters of kings them selues) more kings and Queenes in England became religeous mon­kes and Nunnes, and, now by thes protestants, are honored for glorious kinges, Queenes, and Saincts in heauen, Then euer were prote­stant kinges, and Queenes in all the world, though neuer so [...] vnworthy the name of Theater of greate Brit. pag. 33. n. 8. pag. 49. n. 5. pag. 53. pag 159 p. 161. pag. 294. pag. 298. pag. 301. pag. 305. Theat supr. pag. 344. pag. 47. pag. 302. pag. 306. pag. 308. pag. 310. pag. 311. pag. 338. pag. 361. pag. 364. pag. 366. Saincts, or sanctitie. Such were (as thes prote­stants tell vs) Kinge and Sainct Ethelbert, kinge and Sainct Offa, and Sainct Fremandus his sonne, kinge and Sainct Cheldwald kinge and Saint Seb­ba, and his sonne and heire, kinge and Saint Si­gh [...]rd, kinge and Saint Ceolnulph, kinge and Saint Egbert, kinge and Saint Ethelred kinge and S. Err­combert, kinge and S. Inas, kinge and Saint Ri­charde, kings and Saincts Edwards, kinges and Sainct: Epmunds, and others, women, Queenes and Saincts; Queene and Saint Outhburge, Queene and Sainct Etheldred, Queene and Saint Kineburge, Queene and Saint Eadburge, Queene and S. Eue, Queene and S. Ethelburge, Queene and S. Oswith, kinge Sebba his wife, (not named by them) Queene and Sainct kinswith, Queene and Sainct Ermenh [...]ld, Queene and S. [Page 6] Sexburge, Queene and S. Ethelswith, Queene & S. Elfride, Queene and S. Eanfled, Queene and S. Edgine, Queene and S. Edith, Queene and S. Elfgine, Queene and S. Emna, Queene and Saint Eleanor with others. That thes holy kinges and Queenes, now glorious Saincts in heauen, (such as a false Religion could not make them) were of that holy catholicke, and Romane Re­ligion which wee now professe, and for pro­fession Theater in those kinges and Queenes &c. Ba­le l. de scrip. Britan. in Augustino. Parker. in antiq. Bri­tan. in Cranmer. will in Sy­nops. & An­tylog. &c. Theater pa. 203. cap 9. Suteliff ag. Kell. pa. 105 Theater sup pag. 222. kinge Edw. lavves fol. 231. pag. 1. thereof vndergoe soe many miseries, not only this their Theater, but their preten­ded Bishop Bale before, their soe named Ar­chbishop Parker, Doctor Willet, and others testifie, neither was there from the begynning, by their writings, any Religion, or iurisdiction lawfully practised in this kingdome, but from S. Peter the Apostle, and the Popes of Rome, of S. Peter thus they write: That hee here founded churches (D. Sutcliffs argument of Supreamacie) and ordayned preists and deacons, is reported by Si­mon Metaphra [...]es out of the greeke antiquities (not likely to corrupt for the Romane church) & Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Cen­tury, whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes ty­me. They vrge for Pope and S. Eleuthertus epi­stle to kinge Lucius, the lawes of S. Edward, published by their protestant frend, M. Lam­bert of Kent, out of their Bishop Parkers li­brary; And by them and those their published lawes is euident, that the Brittanes did not onely receaue all spirituall Iurisdiction, Reli­gion, Bishops, and preists from that holy Po­pe, but temporall benefites, more then prote­stants are gratefull for, or I meane to vrge or stand vppon. The wordes of those their cited [Page 7] lawes in the very page before, are thes, concer­ning King Edw­ards lavve [...] fol. 130 pa. 2. the Crowne of England: The whole land & all the Ilands to Norway and Denmarke belon­ge to the Crowne of his kingdome, and are of the appendancies and dignities of the kinge, and it is one Monarchie, and o [...]e kingdome, and was sometime called the kingdome of Britanye, and now called the kingdome of Englishmen. For Lord Eleutherius Pope, whoe first sent an hallowed Crowne to Britanny, and Christianitie by Gods inspiration, to Lucius kinge of the Britannes, ap­pointed and allowed to the Crowne of the kingdo­me such metes and bowndes as are said before. Of our Conuersion and Religion by S. Augusti­ne, and after, they haue spoken sufficiently be­fore. I will add but one testimonie of their pri­matiue kinge and Saint Ina [...], their words bee thus: Kinge Ina builded the renowned abbey of Theater pa. 298. 299. n. 11. Glastembury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter, and Paule, where formerly stood the old Cell of Ioseph of Aremathia. Which this kinge Ina after a moste sumptuous maner new built. The Chappell whereof he garnished with gold, & syluer, and gaue riech ornaments therto: as altare, Cha­lice, Censor, candlesticks, Bason and holy water buckett, Imadges and pale for the altare, of an incredible value. For the golde there vppon be­siowed, amounted to three hundred three pownde whaight; and the syluer to twoe thowsand, eight hundred, thirtie, fiue pownde, besides prctious gem­mes, embrouched in the celebrating vesteres, hee instituted a yearely payment to the See of Ro­me, a penny for an howse on lammas day, called Peter pence. After hee had raigned in greate pros­peri [...]y seuen and thirtie yeares, and odd monethe [...]. [Page 8] professing voluntary pouertie, Went to Rome, whe­re in the habit of a Religeous man, hee ended his life in poore estate: And Ethelburga, his wife beca­me a vayled Nunne, & was made Abb [...]sse of Bar­kinge neare london, wherein shee ended her life. The Brethren of Ina [...] were kenten, whose sonne was Aldome Abbat of Malmesbury and Bishop of Sherborne. And if wee desire Example from the the Norman Race, Kinge William the first by by some syrnamed Conqueror, may bee added, both to encouradge vs to continue in the Reli­gion of the church of Rome, and to bee feare­full either to persecute, or forsake yt: of him & his affaires this Theater entreateth thus: His holy father Pope Alexander tke seconde sett in a Theater sup pag 418. n. 19. foote, sending twoe Cardinalls and a Bishop from the See Apostolick, in a Councell degraded stigand Archbishop of Canterbury, EgelWine Bishop of the easte Angles, besides diuers other Bishops, and Ab­bots of the english nation: depriued for noo eui­dent cause, but onely to giue place to the Normans in fauour of the kinge. Kinge William gaue his oathe vppon the holy Euangelists, and the relicks pag. 421. of S. Alban [...] the Martyr. Pope Gregoire sendeth hi­ther his bulls against the mari [...]d cleargie. Pope Gregorie in all generall Synode excluded the ma­ryed preists from execution of their holy offices, and pag. 422. forbad they lay men to hear [...] their Masses, our Lords body, and the blood of our Lord consecrated by preists. To shewe how iustly and seuerely God punished the hinderance of Masse [...], and profession of that Religion, speaking of the de­stroying of Religeous howses, and churches, hee writeth thus: Kinge William pulleth downe pag. 421. 36. mother churches, from mans vse, and Gods [Page 9] seruice in Hamt [...]hire novv new forest. Richard hi [...] second sonne there dyed, goared vvith a deare, or blasted vvith a pestilent ayre, and Rusus his other [...]. 46. sonne mistaken for a deare, shott through vvith an Arrovve, by vvalter Tyr [...]ll Henry likevvise his grandchilde by Robert Curtoise, persuing the cha­se, vvas struken vvith a bough in the Iavves, and as Absalon le [...]t hanging vntill hee died, t [...]es puni­shments, vvith a straunge earth quake, and other straunge hinges ascribed for taking away vse of Gods seruice. And speaking of his greate repen­tance, and vertuous end hee writeth thus: Hee pag. 425. n. 65. 66. 64. builded many religeous howses. moste certayne it is that in the verie same place Where kinge Harolds standard was pitched, and vnder which himselfe was slayne, there William the Conqueror laid that foundation (Battle Abb [...]y) d [...]dicating yt to the Holy Trinitie, and to S. Martine, that there the monkes might pray for the soules of Harold and pag. 423. the rest that were slayne in that place, hee repen­teth him of his crueltie in England, doth not a [...] ­count yt his owne, but Gods. Hee giueth his Crow­ne, and ornaments therto belonging, to the monkes pag. 422. 423. of Saint Stephen in Cane. Hee giueth to his sonne Henry Beaucler [...]ke onely 5000. prounde, without any contry, proph [...]syinge how hee should bee heire to all. Th [...] dying kinge; for kinge; must dye) hauin­ge pag. 424. nu. 56. pag. 223. raised vp his weake body, vppon the pillo [...]es hard the sounde of the greate Bell in the me­tropolitane church of Saint G [...]uis neare Roan & demaundinge the cause, one replyed that it did then ring [...] prim [...] to our ladi [...]: [...]herevpon with greate deuotion▪ lifting his eyes towards heauen, & spreadinge abroade his handes, I commend mysel­fe, saith hee, to that blessed ladie, Mary▪ Mother [Page 10] of God, that shee by her holy prayers may reconcile mee to her most deare owne, our Lord Iesus Christ, and with thes wordes yeelded vp the Ghost. Their protestant Archbisop Parker is lately with ap­plaose new printed, and speaking of the Ro­mane Religion, and authoritie, abrogated by the new lawes of kinge Henry the 8. writeth thus: Parker Antiq. Bri­tan. p 329. His legibus, by thes lawes, the power of the Pope, that had continued in England aboue 900. yeares (hee meaneth from the tyme of our Conuer­sion by S. Augustine, sent hether by Pope, and Saint Gregory) was ouerthrown [...], And M. Ma­son, Masō booke of Consecr. in M. Park. with his directing protestant Bishops, as­sure vs, that this Matthew Parker was allowed for Archbishop of Canterbury, by other order, then any his predecessors in the See of Canter­bury. Therefore wee may not forsake the Reli­gion of Rome, soe embraced and honored by all Christian kinges, princes, Bishops, and true beleeuing subiects, vntill this time of prote­stants, by their owne testimonies.

Againe I argue in this maner: Noe Religion, that is soe farr from truthe and to bee iustifia­ble for good, and holy, that the cheifest profes­sors, and doctors thereof, acknowledge gene­rally that it is false, erroneous, or fallible, may bee communicated withall: But the English parlament protestant Religion is such: There­fore not to bee communicated with. The ma­ior proposition is euidently true, for as thes protestants haue taught vs before, noe commu­nion is to bee had in spirituall things, with men of a false and deceatefull Religion: for such by noe possibilitie, can bee the infallible, and most vndoubted word, & reuelation of God, which [Page 11] by noe power can either bee false, or doubtfull: But the phantasticall deuise, Imagination, and humane hereticall Inuention, of seducers. The minor proposition is soe generally graunted by the protestants of England, That D. Morton Morton A­polog. part. 2. pag. 315. with publicke pri [...]iledge, absolutely for them all writeth thus: Thesis generalis, nullus est omni­no in ecclesia, cuius Iudicium est infallibilis au­thoritatis. Yt is a generall maxime, (And so to bee receaued of them all) That there is non at all in the church, whose iudgment is of vnfallible a [...]tho­ritie. D. Willet giueth this testimonie: In En­gland will: Anti­log. praef. angl. & pa. 71. 120. 150 43. Praefat. to the Reader supr. the temporall prince is Gouernor, Ruler, cheefe Ouerseer, and Steward of the church, to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth. Yet thee addeth thus: neither hee, nor any in their church haue any priuiledge from error. And this is soe manifest, by the of­ten chaungings, and choppings of their Reli­gion, by kinge Henry 8. kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth, that (to goe noe further) their errors and contradictions defended, and published by their owne statutes, are shame­full to bee recited, and soe euidently knowne, that their protestant Bishop of Peterborough, Doue per­suasion. with others doe freely acknowledge yt, that all protestant princes with their church had er­red and seduced others. Or yf against all hope, or possibilitie, in S. Edwyne sands opinion, wee Relation of Religion. might expect a generall councell by their do­ctrine, which not onely hee, but all protestants confining spirituall iurisdiction to call coun­cells, onely to the temporall and ciuill autho­ritie of particul [...]r princes▪ and contryes, whe­rein they rule, and noe farther, much lesse ouer [Page] all nations Christian, as the Pope claymeth: yett to expect an Impossibilitie, larkes if the skye falleth, wee should bee then in as desperate a case by their Religion, as before. For in their publick article and Rule they haue thus defi­ned: generall councells may [...]rr euen in things per­tayning [...] Articl. of Relig [...]rt. 21. Feild l. of the church pag. vnto God. Vnto which I will add the publicke protestant opinion sett downe by D. Feild in these wordes: Bishops ass [...]mbled in a ge­nerall councell haue aut [...]oritie to interprett scrip­tures, and by their authoritie to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation, and subiect eue­ry man, that shall disobey such determination, as they consent vppon, to Excommunication and cen­sure of like nature. This is the desolate estate, of protestants Religion, by their owne testimo­nies, without hope of hop [...]ls generall coun­cell, there is noe hope of truthe or saluation in their Religion; And with hope of that which can neuer bee, the misery is still remaininge, for wee are still left in daunger of error, to con­demne vs, and perill of separation from the church, out of which (as they teach before.) there is noe saluation, remission of sinnes, or hope Couell def. pa. [...]6. Feild pag. 69. of eternall life. Therfore seing by vnion and communion in Religion with protestants, both by their Iudgments, and our owne alsoe, wee should bee in this damnable perplexitie, and certaine daunger of euerlastinge hell; And by remayning in vnitie with the church of Rome, in which wee comfort our selues, and offer to mayntaine against all opponents, herericks, or Infidells, that the church of Christ, Popes and generall Councells cannot iudicially erre in matters of faith, wee are freed from those des­perate [Page] conditions, and lyue in moste comfor­table hope of true Religion in earth, and euer­lastinge saluation in heauen, wee may not forsake the catholicke church Vr [...]is & orbis, of Rome and the whole christian world, to ioy­ne with the parlament, and soe miserable pro­testant church of England, and one kingdome.

For confirmation of this, though not nee­dinge to bee confirmed, and for further de­monstration in this question, I argue thus: Noe men in time of controuersie about Re­ligion may with securitie, and conscience forsake the communion of the superior mother and Apostolick commaunding church; or that is taught to haue especiall assistance of God in matters of Religion: or that, vnto which to adhere by the Iudgment of the primatiue fa­thers was taken for a suer taken of a true ca­tholick, euen by the cōfession of protestants; to Ioyne with an Inferior, commaunded, and sub­iect church, vtterly destitute of such preroga­tiues, and acknowledged by the doctors there­of to bee erroneous: But the Catholicks of En­gland by forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome, and communicatinge with english pro­testants, should bee in this conscionles and ir­religeous condition: Therefore they may not doe yt. The maior proposition, is three fold, contayning in effect three propositions, as the argument for breuitie, three demon­stratiue arguments. The first proposition is this: The mother, superior, and commaun­dinge church, may not vvithout greater authori­tie bee forsaken, to Ioyne vvith a subiect, Inferior and commaunded church: And it is euidently [Page 14] true, otherwise yt should not bee the Mo­ther, superior, and commaundinge church; but the contrary, inferior, subiect, & commaunded.

The second proposition is this: That church which in the Iudgment of many hath especiall as­sistance from God, and freedome from error in religion, i [...] rather to bee communicated with, then that which by all men, euen the best lear­ned of it self is condemned of error, and confessed to be fallible and deceauing iudgment, And this alsoe is manifestly true: for in the first there is either assurednes; or contenting hope, to bee free from error and obtaine salualtion: in the other noe true hope thereof at all, but a con­fessed certainetie of error, seducing, and to bee damned.

The third proposition is this: That church which by the primatiue fathers had that priui­ledge [...]s the aduersaries doe graunt, that to ad­here vnto yt was a signe of a true beleeuing ca­tholicke, is reather to bee communicated with, then that which neuer had or claymed such prerogati­ue: And this proposition is likwise apparantlie true: for in the former there is securitie from error; and in the second euident certaintie to fall into error, and state of damnation. Now that the case of english, catolicks should bee this, in all this three propositions, if they should communicate with english protestans, I doe thus demonstrate by thes protestans them selues; and first how the romane church was, and still is, this mother, superior, & commaun­dinge Church may appeare by the sentence of his maiestè, concerninge that church in this K speach in parlam. wordes: it is our mother church: it was a rule to [Page 15] all both in doctrine and ceremonies, when it was in her florishinge and best estate. And in the con­ference Conference at Hamptō pag. 75. at Hampton Court, their Bishop, Bar­lowe relateth thus: T [...]e kings resolution is, that noe church ought further to seperate it selfe, from the church of Rome, either in doctrine or ceremo­nies, then shee hath departed from herselfe, when shee was in her florishinge and best estate, and from Christ our Lord and deade. D. Downame Downam l. 1. Anticor. ca. 3 pa. 36. denieth not, but bothe Iustinian the Emperor, and the generall councell of Calcedon, in the primatiue church, did attribute to the Pope of Rome, to bee heade of the churche. And the same D. Downame, D. Couell. D. Sutcliffe Porkins, Down supr. pag. 106. [...]07. Couell plea of In­noc pa. 65. Sutcliff sub vi [...]p. 19 Perk probl. pag. 237. 238. and others wittnes, that at such time, wherein they confesse that church, a Rule to all, both in doctrine and ceremonies, and not to bee separated from, it exercised this supreame iurisdict [...]on, in all partes of the worlde, Asia Africke, and Eu­rope, Therefore this Rule to all, is not in ru­ling, departed from her selfe, or Christ our hea­de, and soe wee m [...]y not bee seperated from yt. Which M. Ormerod proueth further, assuring vs, that in the Apostles time it claymed thes priuiledges of preeminence & indefectibilitie, from the irreuocable graunte of Christ in ho­ly Ormer. pict pap. pag. 78. scriptures: his wordes bee thes: To proue that the church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all churches, Anacletus (lyuing in the Apostles ti­me, a blessed Saint, and martyr) alleageth Math. 16. vers. 18. vppon this rocke vvill I build my church, and hee expounde [...]h it thus; super hanc petram id est, super ecclesiam Romanam, vppon this rocke; that is vpon the church of Rome, vvill I build my church. Therfore for any man to say, [Page 16] that wee may sepearate our selues from the church of Rome, because, it is departed from it selfe, when it was in her florishing and best estate, is not onely a very friuolous and vaine excuse, but in their opinion and Relation manifestly false, because this church of Rome, euen in that her best estate, did clayme and by the war­rant and graunt of Christ, registred in holy scri­ptures, as ample and supreame commaunding authoritie, ouer all other churches & parsons, and as due and respectiue obedience, as now yt doth, as these protestants them selues are witt­nesses against them selues: and by such preten­ded excuse of reuolt, and contempt of supe­rioritie, and gouernment, and for the inferior, subiect, guiltie, or accused, to vsurpe power ouer the Superior, and lawfull Iudge, all here­sies, scismes, treasons, rebellious, and disobe­diences, may bee mayntayned; and all Regi­ment, and Rulers both spirituall, and tempo­rall, bee reiected, and ouerthrowne. And is the like, or worse in effect, then that which his maiestie speaketh, of the presbyte [...]iall discipli­ne, in these wordes: lacke and [...]om, and Will, and Di [...]k, vvill censure the kinge. and his Conferen [...] a [...] [...]ampt. pag. 79. couns [...]ll, and all their proceedings, at their plea­sure.

And from hence alsoe, both the second, and third propositions, are directly proued. For by this the second proposition, That Catholicks in forsaking communion vvith the church of Rome, to communicate vvith english protestants, should forsa [...] a church by the doctrine of diuers, and credible [...]uthorities, assisted by God from error▪ is euideytlie true: for not onelie the present [Page 17] doctors of the present Romane church soe teach, but it was soe taught (as this pro­testants, assure vs) by the learned and holy fathers and popes, of that sacred church, when by their graunt, it vvas in her florishinge and best estate and a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies. To which I add, the testimonie of D. Downame, telling vs that in those times, Down l. 2. Antichr. pag. 107. Orm [...]r. hereticks, though Bishops recanting, did svve­are to meyntayne th [...]t faith, which the Bishop & church of Rome professed. M. Ormerod saith: S. Leo (that glorious Saint & doctor) did teache, that God did assist & direct that sea in decrees. And to maintaine yt by protestāts, that this was the cō ­mon and receaued doctrine of that vnsported time; whereas they now tell vs, a generall coun­cell is highest iudge: D. Powell writeth thus: Powell l. 1. Antichrist. p. 230. 231. Calixtus Pope (in that best time) defined, that all Bishops though gathered in a generall Councell, shall fullfill the will of the church of Rome: they which doe not this, are pronoūced of Pope Pelagius, to keepe a false Conciliable, and not a Councell. Pope Damasus vvrote, that it is not lavvfull for the Bishops to doe any thinge, against the de­crees of the Bishops of Rome. Where vppon ac­cording to this generall, and primatiue doctri­ne by protestants relation, their Bishop of Bils. true differ. pag. 66. 67. Winchester hath written in this maner: The Canon of the primatiue churche made euery thin­ge voide, that vvas done vvithout the Bishop of Rome The canon of the primatiue church forbad, any Councell to bee called, vvithout his consent. Therefore D. Feild directeth vs, what to doe in Feild pag. 20 [...]. this case, in these wordes: Wee must obey vvith­out scrupulous questioninge. vvith all modestie of [Page] mynde, and reuerence of bodie, vvith all good [...]l­lovvance, and acceptation, and repose in the vvor­de of them, that teache vs, vnles they teache vs any t [...]ings, vv [...]ich the authoritie of the higher & Su [...]erior controlleth. Therefore because thus protestants haue soe confidently assured vs, that the Pope, and church of Rome, is our hi­ghest Iudge, in authoritie, and superioritie in this busines, wee must still, vvithout scrupulous question, vvith all modest [...]ie, reuerence, good al­lovvonce, acceptation, and repose obey them, still communica [...]e with them, And forsake all spiri­tuall communion withall protestants, and others departed and sepa [...]ated from them.

And from hence, alsoe the third proposi­tion, that to adh [...]re to the church of Rome in ti­me of controuersie, vvas (and is) a token or signe of a true catholick, is euidently proued. An D. Downame graunteth yt to haue beene the opi­nion of the primatiue fathers: S. Augustine, and victor vticensis, in Afrike, vvere of opinion, that Down. l. 1. Antichrist. pag. 106. 105. to adhere to the church of Rome, vvas a marke of a true Catholick, in those times. And that it must soe continue for euer, is proued by thes prote­stants before. To which I add this protestant Demonstration followinge.

Euery forsakinge of Communion, and com­municating, which by protestants Iudgment doth, or would make men guiltie of all kinde of spirituall disobedience, is to bee auoid [...]d: But for Catholicks to forsake communion, with the church of Rome, and communicate with protestants, by their owne doctrine is such: therefore to bee auoided. The maior proposition is euidently true: for seing to bee [Page] disobedient in any one spirituall dutie, is wic­ked and abominable, much more damnable must it needs bee, to bee guiltie of all such synnes The minor proposition is proued by D. Feild, and the publick protestant authoritie, that gaue priuiledge to his writinge, for entrea­tinge of the diuers, and distinct kindes, of spiri­tuall F [...]ild pag. 202. l. 4. cap. 5. obedience, hee writeth thus: Hither wee may referr, those different degrees of obedience, which vvee must yeeld to them, that commaunde, and teache vs, in the church of God, excellently Waldens. doctr. fidei l. 2. art 2, 3 pag. 27. described by waldensis, wee must saith hee, reue­rence and respect the authoritie of all catholick Doctors, whose doctrine and writings t [...]e church allovveth. Wee must more regarde the authoritie of catholick Bishops: more then thus, the authori­tie of the Apostolick churches: amongst them more especially the church of Rome: of a generall coun­cell more then all thes. By which doctrine of en­glish protestants, it is euident, that all men communicating with them in Religion, are culpable in all kinde of spirituall disobedience, and if the degrees of obedience, to commaun­ders in the church of God, bee (as thes men as­sure vs, excellently described by Doctors, and catholick Bishops vnder the Pope, and the Po­pe is cheefest in thes degrees, and as before is proued by them, noe councell can bee either generall, or allowable without his allowance, and approbation, by forsakinge communion, with the Pope, and beinge disobedient vnto him, wee should bee guiltie of a spirituall dis­obedience. Therefore when wee are assured by thes men them selues, that now wee lyue in all true spirituall obedience; and contrary to [Page 20] their commaunding and supreame byndinge instruction, noe autho [...]itie on earthe is to bee obeyed in such things, but rather to bee obe­dient and subiect it selfe to them, the preten­ded instruction of protestants to vnlearned ca­tholicks is not to bee termed instruction, but destruction, and their pesecution against vs for this our soe religious, & iust deniall to commu­nicate with them in Religion, shall bee censu­red by his maiestie and their Bishopp of Dur­ham, and not by mee: his maiesties wordes, in publick parlament, in this question, are thus▪ You my Lord of Durham said very learnedly in Serm. An. 1603. 19. of March be­fore the K. Kings speac. in parlam. 1. Iacob. your sermon to day, that correction vvithout in­struction, is but tyrannye. And how can England, euer an inferior, subordinate, and dependinge church, take vppon yt power to instruct the hi­ghest spirituall authoritie on earth, (as before) by their owne Iudgments against them? And his maiestie by himselfe, besides that alleadged, al­loweth the Pope to bee cheefe Bishop, and prince of K. admonit. pag. 45. 46. Casaub. res­pons ad epi. Card. Per­ron. pa. 69. 70. Bishops, as S. Peter vvas prince of Apostles▪ And by Casaubon, that all patriarchall, apostoli [...]ke, and commaundinge Sees in the world now, doe ioyne with him against protestants, in question now in controuersie.

The 2. Protestant Demonstration, why Catho­licks may not communicate with them in Religeous thinges, is▪ by their owne doctrine in respect of their soe named ministers vn­lawfull false, and intruded, and not to bee communicated with, by their owne writings.

BVT to proceede, and still in matters essen­tiall, because in such things they will bee esteemed to bee at vnitie, and agreement: I will vse their owne definition of the true church, subscribed vnto, by them all, that are admitted for ministers in their english protestant Reli­gion: Articl. of Religion. art. 19. Thus it is: The visible church of Christ is a congregation of faithfull men, in the vvhich the pure vvord of God is preached▪ and the sacraments bee duely ministred. Soe that three things by this their highest decree are essentiall in Religion: Feild lib. & 2. pa D. Feild calleth them proper, essentiall, and inse­perable. True Pastors or ministers: The puer vvord preached: and sacraments duely ministred. If I should onely proue, that but one of thes three bee defectiue in their church, or not to bee communicated with, I haue rendered sufficient reason of refusall to communicate with en­glish protestants, in their Religion: for in true definitions nothinge must bee wanting, or su­perfluous, for the maxime is generall: That the definition, and thinge defined must bee conuertible. But for securitie I will make demonstration by thes protestants themselues, that all thes pro­testants [Page 22] themselues, that all thus their proper, essentiall and inseperable th [...]ngs, are both sepe­rable, seperated, and wantinde with them. And first concerning their Ministery, because it is lately confuted & condemned at large, by their owne writings, I will bee breife, and I argue in this maner.

Noe pretended ministers of England, that bee made either by imagined power and au­thoritie from a woman, not capable to make ministers, or by power authoritie or iurisdi­ction from the Pope, See, or church of Rome, may bee communicated with by their owne writings, and proceedings: But all in England supposed for ministers bee in this case by their owne confession: Therefore by their owne confession, and testimonies, not to bee com­municated withall in spirituall things. I will first proue the second proposition: and it is de­monstratiuely proued by their generall con­sent, for though they differ by which of those meanes they were made, the puritanes iusti­fying that they haue noe better ordination, then Queene Elizabeth a woman could giue them, which the teache is non at all, & the par­lame [...]tarie protestants now defending, & con­tending to deduce and proue their supposed ministery by the Romane authoritie, and iu­risdiction: yett in this they allagree, that their pretended ordination is either from, Queene Elizabeth, or from the church, and Pope of Rome, neither possibly can yt bee otherwise, for the Catholicke Bishops after the death of Queene Mary beinge depriued by Queene Elizabeth, in the first yeare of her raigne as all [Page 23] our protestant historians Foxe, Stowe, Hollin­shed, Fox [...] t [...]. 2. monum. stowe hist. an. 1. El. Hollinsh ib. Park antiq Brit. in fin [...] Mason l. 1. 2. 3. 4. Con­secret. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Parker, Speed, Mason and others testifie; as alsoe all iurisdiction and power spirituall vnder treasonable offence, and penaltie, by the highest parlament lawe, inuested in Queene Elizabeth, they must needs▪ clayme their making, from that which then was reie­cted, or from that of Q. Elizabeth then recea­ued, and established: for there is, as they ack­nowledge noe other to bee imagined.

Now to come to the maior proposition, and first to that protestant opinion, which teacheth their pretended ordination to bee onely by Queene Elizabeth, I argue thus: Noe commu­nion and vnion spirituall is to bee had, with men pretending to bee true ministers, but by their owne doctrine and doctors are not such, but vsurpers, intruders, bastardly, false, and il­legittimate: But the english pretended mini­stery is such: Therefore not to bee communi­cated with in such busines. The maior propo­sition is euidently true: for vsurped, false, ille­gittimate and cannot possibly bee iust, right, true, and lawfull things. The minor proposi­tion is alsoe euidently true, in their writings, assuring, not onely that they were made by Queene Elizabeth, but that for that reason they are noe true ministers, because shee a wo­man, by sexe vncapable of such function, could not giue yt vnto others. Their reason is à prio­re, and demonstratiue, and the same which the Iacob Reas. prot. Assert. Lord Cooke. present Lord cheife iustice alloweth for such, and is this: nemo potest plus iuris in alium trans­ferre, quàm ipse habet, noe man can transferr or giue more right vnto an other, then hoe himselfe [Page 24] hath. And herevppon they conclude against this pretended english Ministery in this maner, one of them hath these wordes: The protestant Bishops are noe approued members of the visible Suruey pa. 5 Iacob. reas. pag. 9. church of Christ. M. Iacob writeth thus: English protestant Bishops are plainely contrary to Gods worde, and vtterly vnlawfull. A diocesan Bishop is neither a pastor, nor one of the people in any proper visible church vvith v [...]. M. O [...]merod relateth their Censure in this order: The english prote­stants Ormer. pict pu [...]it. f. 2 g. 4. Dial. 1. haue neither a right ministery of God, nor a rig [...]t gouernment of the church, english mini­sters are noe ministers. The english minist [...]ry is vnlavvfull. There is noe right ministery in En­gland, Rogers in Arti [...]. 36. p. 200. 201. noe pastors, noe Bishops. M. Rogers wri­teth thus: They vvrite that the Bishops of our church haue noe ordinary calling of God, and fun­ction in the scriptures for to exercise, th [...]y are not sent of God inferior Ministers they are not, accor­ding to Gods vvorde, either proued, elected, or or­deyned. Like is the Testimony of M. Mason, M. Owen, and others, too many to bee reci [...]ed: Mason pa. 7. 8. Owen pil & her. Therefore by their iudgmēt, wee may not com­municate with thē, in spirituall things: neither can this their pretend [...]d ordinatiō bee lawfull.

Neither can it bee auailable for the present Frauncis Mas. in praf l. 1. 2. &c. Feild l. of the chur. Sut [...]liff ag. Kell pag. 5. Butler in epist. writ­ten for the mini [...]ery. protestant (soe named, Archbishop of Canter­bury, director to M. Mason, now M. Mason, D. [...]eild D. Sutcliffe, D. Butler, or any other amon­ge them, now to say they haue receaued true, and lawfall ordination from the Pope, and church of Rome, as they now say, and by all meanes contend to proue; for to bee made preists or Bishops by the Pope, and his procee­dings, i [...] a thinge essentially different, from [Page 25] hauinge onely allowance by a woman, vnca­pable either to haue, or giue such power; therefore because men in protestants religion may not bee papists, nor lyers, nor say that soe many of their worthies, Bishopps, and doctors assuring vs before, that they doe not differ in any one essentiall, or materiall point, bee lyers, and dissemblers in religion, wee must needs agree with them, that say the english ministers haue noe callinge, or admittance, but by Queene Elizabeth, which by them is none at all. Againe both vpon the same ground, and the like extremitie in their doctrine, they are inforced to renownce all ordination from the Pope, and church of Rome, by this their owne demonstration: Noe man can giue that to an other which hee hath not: But, by them, the Pope hath not true ordina­tion: Therfore cannot giue yt to others: The maior is euidently true, and their owne grounde, and principle. The minor propo­sition hath beene a common protestant doctri­ne, and must bee iustified by their receaued opinion, that the Pope is Antichrist, a thinge in religion essentiall: for Antichrist that is quite contrary vnto Christ, cannot by any meanes bee iudged a true preist and bishop of Christ. Thirdly D. Sutcliffe maketh this matter moste cleare in these his wordes: Th [...] Turkes musty i [...] Sutcliff suru. pa. 48. as good a Bishop as the P [...]pe. therefore in his doctrine, neither of them a Bishop, or able to make, either Bishop, or preist. Therefore in an other worke with publick allowance, as also this hath, hee writeth of vs, in this maner: in Sutcliff ag▪ D. kell. pa. 4▪ the Popes church our aduersaries neither haue [Page 26] man [...]r of ordination, nor substance of function, they haue not imposition of handes by bishops, be­cause they haue not lawfull Bishops. Therfore their pretended Bishops, if made by such noe Bishops, bee not true bishops. And soe there bee neither true Bishops, nor true and lawfull preists, or ministers in the english protestant congregation: and soe noe true church, nor spi­rituall communion to bee vsed with them, by their owne iudgments.

And this their new deuise of clayminge a consecration de iure diuino, and not their old admittance from. Queene Elizabeth, was the Protest. of­fer of con­fer pag. 11. motiue, that vrgeth their owne brethren in Re­ligion, first to write in thes wordes: If prelacie bee de iure diuine by the lawe of God, it receaueth breathe and life from the Religion of Rome. Whose prelacie and preisthood is euen by our greatest aduersaries acknowledged to bee by diuine institution: And this supposed & graun­ted by thes parlamentary protestants, thus they add: They cannot see how possibly by the rules of diuinitie, the separation of our churches from the church of Rome, and from the Pope, supreame heade thereof can bee iustified. And againe in this maner: They protest to all the world, that the Pope, and the church of Rome, and in them God, [...]. pa. 16. and Christ Iesus himselfe, haue had greate vvron­ge, and that the protestants churches are sc [...]sma­ticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion vvith them. And this, hee that would bee na­med Archbishop of Canterbury, euen by his owne groundes before, should rather haue re­solued vppon, then contrary to his owne iudg­ment, vnderstanding, and conscience (if I may [Page] vse that worde in such proceedings) maintay­ne, and aggrauate soe straunge and vnchristian persecutions, against sacred and lawfull prei­sthood in others; which though onely imputa­tiue, pretended, and vsurped in himselfe, hee would haue soe much honored, or rather (by their Religion) Idololatrated, and worship­ped as an Idoll, ens rationis chymaera, and noe reall thinge. And this is one of his vnholy pur­chases by directinge Frauncys Mason, in soe durtie a dawbinge woorke, as his booke of pretended ordination is. An other noe lesse prophane is this, to demonstrate himselfe, and all of his opinion before, for the vnitie, and ge­nerall accorde, and agreement of all, both en­glish, and other protestants, in all essentiall, substantiall, and materiall points, of Religion, to bee prophane dissemblers, seducers, and men of noe Religion. For in this soe essentiall, and substantiall a question, of a true and lawfull preisthood, or ministery fundamentall, or foun­dation in true worship, they are soe diametri­cally, and contradicto [...]ily d [...]ided, and separa­ted, that some of them considently, and as mat­ter of faith, beleeue, and teach, they haue noe callinge or ordination, but from a woman, vt­terly disabled eyther to haue or giue yt: the rest as certainely affirme, that which they pretend to haue is from Antichrist, which likewise can neither giue, nor haue yt. soe that by noe pos­sibilitie they can bee reconciled, to haue any title to a true ministery and Religion. Their onely way of Reconcilement, in some parte, (but to their little comfort) is this, if they will agree, that Queene Elizabeth was Antichrist. [Page 28] But Concerning their pretended ordination, it is aboundantly and demonstratiuely confuted out of their owne lawes, writings, and diuini­tie in a particular booke of that subiect, and for that cause I had here passed it ouer with silen­ce, had I not beene aduertised, that being di­ners monethes synce readie for the presse, it is fallen into their pretended Bishops hands, that intend to suppresse it. And therefore in the Au­thors name, I request them, truely, and worde for worde, to publish yt, with the best answea­re they can make vnto yt. And his promise is, to make noe further reply vnto them in that busines: soe confident hee is, his booke to bee vnansweareable, and their cause vndefensible. But for feare they will behaue themselues in this, as to my greuous experience they haue ve­rie often done in the like before, I must add som [...]hat in this place. And first I tell M. Fraun­cys Mason b. of Consecrat. Mason, & his directors, telling vs that Mat­thew Parker was consecrated by foure true Bi­shops, or three and a Suffragane, That no noto­rious and contradictory lyers are to bee belee­ued in their owne cause, especially of such mo­ment: But all or moste of the protestant Rela­tors of this by their owne Testimonie, are lyers: Therefore not to bee beleeued. The ma­ior proposition is euidently true: And the mi­nor thus p [...]o [...]ed: for first whereas I finde three relators of this pretended Consecration, and Butler ep­def of their mis [...]on. Su [...]cliff ag D. [...]ell. pag. 5. Parkers Register, Doctor Butler, D. Sutcliffe, and directed M Mason: The first saith, that Ihon Suffragan of Do [...]er was one of these Consecra­tors. D. Sutcliffe his wordes are thus: Bishop Parker was consecrated hy imposition of hands of [Page 29] Bishop Barlowe, Bishop Couerdale, Bishop S [...]ory, and twoe Suffragans, of whome mention is made in the act of consecration, yett to bee seene. M. Mason Mason in [...]ons. Math. Park. telleth, there was but one Suff [...]agane there, and hee was of Bedford. Soe that in these three pro­testant cheife writers, and allowed r [...]lators of this pretended consecration, there bee thr [...]e di­uers and quite repugnant narrations, of which if not all three, yett at the leaste twoe of ne­cessitie are notorious lyes, and corruptions, and all of them cite Matthew Parkers Registe [...]; Soe that if any cred [...]t is to bee g [...]uen to these men, they had seene three different Registers of this matter, and all of them false, not onely for that which is proued before, but because M. Mason Mason sup. ventureth his owne, their Register, and preten­ded Bishops creditt, vppon an imagined con­secration, in the moneth of Dec [...]mber in the se­cond Stow [...]istor. An. 1 Eli­zab. Hollin. & Speed supr. yeare of Queene Elizabeth; when by the testimonie of their protestant historiās, Stowe, Holinshed, and Speed, they were allowed for Bishops, by Queene Elizabeth, many mone­thes before, and practised those places in the first yeare of her Raigne. And for his pretended Masō Speed & Hollinsh supr. Bishop and Consecrator Miles Couerdale, yt is euident by Mason himselfe, Speed, and Holin­shed, that hee neuer was allowed in Queene Elizabeth her time to haue a B [...]shopricke, or bee a Bishop, such is their euidence alsoe of their pretended Suffragan, or Suffraganes: Therefore if they were not B [...]shops, they could not bee consecra [...]inge Bis [...]ops, to giue that which they had not, neither were allowed to haue by those protestants. Againe M. Mason telleth vs, that the Queenes Commission vnto [Page 22] [...] [Page 23] [...] [Page 24] [...] [Page 25] [...] [Page 26] [...] [Page] [...] [Page 28] [...] [Page 29] [...] [Page 30] thes pretended Consecrators, (and other war­rant they had not) was to make them Bi­shops, secundum formam statutorum in ea parte prouisorum, accordinge to the forme of the statu­tes prouided in that behalfe. And yett the statute Stat. Henr. 8. of Bish. Stat. 1. Eliz of kinge Henry the eight, and Queene Eliza­beth co [...]demneth, the making of an Archbishop, except by an Archbishop, and two other Bishops, or sower Bishops. And yett by thes men, neither of thes was obserued in this pretended consecra­t [...]on: further by the same princes lawes, their Stat. H [...] 8. of [...] ag Stat. [...]. Eliz [...]m [...]gin [...]d Suffraganes had noe power in such thin [...]s, neither any at all out of their Bishops iuri [...]dictions, and without their allowance, both wanting in this case, when there were noe Bi [...]ops of those places to haue iurisdi­ction, o [...] giue allowance. Soe now by thes men themselues, the onely difficultie remayneth of Barlowe, made B [...]shop as M. Mason saith in ti­me of kinge Henry 8. & S [...]ory by kinge Edward 6 and his new inuention. But for Barlowe, wee ar [...] directly told by D. Suttcliffe that neither Sutcliff ag. kell. pag 4. h [...]e, nor any of such creation is a true and lawfull Bishop, for M Scory, and all of his stam­pe, or making in the dayes of kinge Edward 6. Queene Elizabeth, or kinge Iames, from them, not onely M. Foxe, But M. Mason alsoe is witt­nes, Foxe tom. 2 [...]g. 10 [...]4. Mason li 2. pag. 92. that t [...]ey were not reputed for true Bi­shops, as appeareth by thes their wordes, the wordes of D. Brooke Bi [...]hop of Glocester the Popes delegate, to Ridley at [...]is degradation: Wee must aga [...]nst our willes proceed according to our Com­mission to disgradinge, taking from you the digni­tie of preisthood, for wee take you for noe Bishop. And soe they thought of the rest. And this was [Page] not onely the opinion of diuines and catho­licks, but of protestants, and cheefest law [...]ers, and Iudges themselues, euen in the time of Q. El [...]zabeth her selfe. The opinion and Report of Sr. Robert Brooke, cheife Iustice of the com­mon Brooke A­brid. 1576. titul leases §. 68. pleas, then published are thes: It is said that Bishops in the time of kinge Ed [...]ard 6 were not consecrated, and therefore were not Bishops, And therefore a lease for yeares made by such and confirmed by the deane and C [...]apter, shall not bin­de the Successor, for suc [...], [...]ere neuer Bishops. Therefore if this veritie of the in [...]alid [...]tie of those pretended B [...]shops, was thus notoriously knowne, and iudged by our common lawe, and iudges thereof, euen in ciuill affaires, much more, wee are to bee of that minde, concer­ninge the spirituall and sacred function it selfe, and in religeous duties, not in the power of our lawes to limitt. The same is proued in the Reports of Sr. Iames Dyer Lord cheife iustice of the same Court, for, whereas the statute Stat. An. 2. Eliz. cap. 1. of Queene Elizabeth, concerninge her straun­ge supreamacie, in matters of Religion, gaue power to all Bishops, to minister the same vn­to all ecclesiasticall parsons, within their dio­ces, and iurisdiction; Bishop Boner, being de­priued from the See of London by this highest archiepiscopall, or papall power of that Quee­ne; and Horne a protestant by her substituted to be Bishop of Winchester; he thinking him­selfe sufficiently by her allowance to bee Bi­shop, at leaste to that purpose, offereth this new oathe to Bishop Boner lyuing, a prisoner with­in Winchester iurisdiction: The Bishop refu­sing the oathe was indicted vppon that statute; [Page] to which indictment hee pleaded, quod ipse non In nouel Cases col­lect per [...]as­ques Dyer chris. [...]usti­ce ac [...]om: banke ter­min. Mi­chael an. 6. & 7. Eliz. fol, 234. [...]st inde culpabilis, that hee was not culpable, be­cause the said Bishop of Winchester was not a Bishop at the time of offering the oathe. After, this was c [...]r [...]fied into the kings bench, and thus related by their cheife Iustice L. Dyer. Ed­mond Bo [...]r late Bishop o [...] lond [...]n was certified in the kings Bench by Doctor Horne Bishop of winche­ster, for refusinge of the new oathe, appointed for ecclesiasticall parsons, by the statute in the first yeare of the now Queene▪ in the first chapter, offe­red and ministred to him in Southwarke in win­chester ho [...]se there. And concerning the former plea, and Issue of Bishop Boner, hee addeth thus: And it was much debated by all the Iustices in the chamber of the [...]orde Catlyne, (then cheife Iustice of England) yf Boner might giue in Eui­dence vppon this Issue, that is, That h [...]e is not the­reof culpable, because the said Bishop of winche­ster, was not a Bishop, at the time of offeringe the oathe. And yt was resolued by them all, that if the truth and matter were such in deed, yt should for that bee well receaued vppon that issue, and the iu­ry shall try yt. Hitherto the wordes and senten­ce of all those protestant iudges. Soe that as by the Censure of the Lorde Brooke and the iud­ges then, the pretended Bishops of kinge Edwards time were clearly adiuged to bee noe B [...]shops: Soe the same opinion now in the time of Queene Elizabeth, by bothe the Cheife Iu­stices, and all other Iudges, is, that the pre­tended Bishops of Q Elizabeth, her appointin­ge, were noe Bishops. Otherwise they would not soe disgracefully to their new noe Bishops, and Religion, haue refused to proceed to triall [Page 33] of that matter, and that Issue, with Bishop Bo­ner, a disgraced Man, and in case, where they themselues were to giue Iudgment. And to ma­ke this more euident; in the next parlament, in the eight yeare of that Queene by publicke de­cree, Statut. An. 8. Elizab. cap. 1. or statute, they absolutely free Bishop Bo­ner, and all others in his case, from all penaltie, and forfaicture, for refusing that oathe tende­red by such pretended Bishops: And for noe other reason, but that it was moste manifest in all true Iudgment, that they were noe Bishops; being of necessitie either made by a woman, which they confesse could not doe yt; or by the pretended Bishops of kinge Edwards makinge, vtterly alsoe (as before) condemned by lawe and the Iudges themselues. And yett of thes twoe ab [...]urdities, that which was the worst, and moste absurde, to bee made by a woman, vnca­pable must needs bee their case▪ For the new Booke of cōsecr. statu An. 3. Ed 6. ca 12. Stat. 1. Mar. Booke of Article [...] of Re­ligion 1562 articul 36. Stat. An. 8. Elizab. c. 1. forme, and fashion, of making pretended Bi­shops, and preists in the time of the child kin­ge, Edward the sixt, abolished by Queene Ma­ry, was neuer reuiued by the english prote­stants, vntill their booke of Articles made in the fourth, or fift yeare of Queene Elizabeth, made in their conuocation consisting (as befo­re is euident) onely of lay men, without autho­ritie receaued yt: and was neuer allowed by parlament vntill this, in the eight yeare of Queene Elizabeth. Soe that by noe possibili­tie, thes after Acts, if they had beene powera­ble in religeous causes (the contrary whereof is euident) could make soe many yeares before pretended and vnlawfull Acts, and consecra­tions, now to bee true and lawfull. Therefore [Page 34] thes pretended protestant Bishops and Mini­sters can by noe power, by their owne procee­dings, bee lawfull; wanting both true forme, matter, maner, men ordering, and the Acts, and Cōc. Floren. in [...]niō. will apud [...]arkes p. 137. 180. & Park ib. [...]il [...] sur [...]. p. [...]2 mort. pa 2 Apol. p. 340 l. 4 c. 18 Relat. ca. 47, [...]eild p. 202. 218. functions themselues, as is before proued, and [...]ppeareth, by the councell of [...]lorence, which D. Wille [...], M. Parkes and others allow for ge­nerall: which D. Bil [...]on D. Mo [...]ton, their Rela­tor of Religi [...]n, and D. Feild, assure vs hath su­preame power, and authoritie, to commaund all whomsoeuer, to obey the definitions the­reof Neither need I appeale to generall coun­cells, though their graunt in this Question: for by their owne parl [...]ments, Articles, common writings, and publicke doctrine, yt is more then euident, that their pretended Bishops, by whome their ministers, and other pretended Bishops bee made, bee noe more Bishops, then their ordina [...]y ministers, none at all, noe more then all lay men bee, noe more, nor soe much, as kinge Edward 6. a child, Q. Elizabeth a wo­man, and our present, and euer of mee moste honored kinge Iames were, or is, by their pro­ceedings, which is thus made euident by their owne Religion.

Euery distinct order hath some really and essentially distinct Act, and office, to execute, which others, from which it is distinguished, haue not, nor can performe: But the pretended callinge, of protestant Bishops in England, by their owne proceedings, hath noe such really and essentially distinct Act, or office: Therefore by their ow [...]e Religion, it is noe distinct order. The m [...]ior proposition is euidently true, for, euery dist [...]ct Order, power, facultie, or habili­tie [Page 35] spirituall, or other, is soe knowne and di­stinguished. The minor proposition is thus proued by themselues. For whereas our Pon­tificall, and scholes, ascribe to episcopall Or­der, Pōtifical. in Ord. Sacer. & ep [...]schol. insacr ord. in 3. p. d. Th. &c. Articles of Relig. Artie sacram. &c thes Acts, to cōsecrate, Christne, giue twoe sacraments, Orders, and confirmation, thes protestants by their publick Articles, and pra­ctice both deny all thes: and yett ascribe noe other peculiar Act or office to their pretended Bishops make ministers, and confirme chil­dren. I answeare, they deny both them to bee Sacraments, and soe hauing noe misticall con­secration, but being onely ceremonies, may bee vsed by men, noe Bishops, and soe in all protestants Presbyteries pretended ministers (allowed by them) are made by onely mini­sters: and where the ceremonie of confirma­tion is allowed by protestants, out of England, it is al soe ministred by onely ministers, and if thes doe not giue grace effectually as they say, it is not necessarie to appoinct a distinct order for their ministration. Soe there is now no­thing left for thes pretended Bishops, but pre­tended iurisdiction; but this is from the kinge, that is, Queene Elizabeth, and kinge Edward 6. before supreame in this busines, and soe by their Religion more truely and better Bishops, then Ridley, Parker, Whiteguift, or any of that pretended calling; And as the pretended Com­missioners, Stat. Ed. 6. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe tom. 2 in Ed. 6. & Eliz. Holin. supr. &c. of kinge Edward, and Q. Elizabeth, related by their Statutes, Foxe, Hollinshed, & others, withall power from them to reforme Religion, were in thes mens doctrine, more worthie the name of Bishops, then they which haue that name, but want that office, & power▪ [Page 36] Soe his maiestie in their Religion, by his su­preamacie▪ inspirituall things, may by his let­ters patents, and commission, not onely with kinge Edward, and Q Elizabeth, authorize his Foxe in Ed v. in B. Card Stowe Hollinsh. Speed, &c. An. 1 Eliza in histor. lay Councellors, and mere temporall men, to Iudge, depriue, and depose Bishops, but to bee allowed for Bishops, Archbishops (and higher) patriarkes, without any consecration, or other ceremony. They which gaue this power to Q. Elizabeth, and our Soueraigne, were onely lay men, and neither any of them in particul [...]r, or all in generall equall vnto him, that is suprea­me; Therefore it is his power by their doctri­ne, at his pleasure without any ministers con­currence, or consent, to take order, (and neuer more neede, then when their Religion is beco­me a mockery of all true Religion) in thes affai­res: and to make any the meanest subiect, with­out any im [...]osing of handes, speaking, or prayer ouer him, or other complement in such busines, greater in callinge, and dignitie, then hee that beareth the name, Archbishop & pri­mate of all England amonge them.

But the present (soe named) Archbishop of Obiect. Canterbury director of M. Mason, and his di­rected scholler, perhaps will say, that allthough D. Sutcliffe, and too many others to bee cited, and the said (soe called) Archbishop himselfe, in and at other places and times, for their ad­nantage, and to serue their turne, doe teach, & affirme as a matter of faith, that the Pope is Antichrist, noe true Bishop, preist, or maker of such: yett in this their worke asscribed to M. Mason, they confesse the contrary, and therein they affirme that one of their pretended Con­secrators, [Page 37] Barlowe, was a true Bishop and ma­de by Romane, or true catholick Consecration, in the time of kinge Henry 8. And soe in time of necessitie such as their begynning was, might make a Bishop. Alas, I cannot tell, how to ma­ke Answ. answeare to this obiection, or rather peti­tion; not for any difficultie▪ conteyned in yt, But for feare of offence in speaking truth, and giuinge the lye to soe many protestant Bi­shops, and Doctors, before soe confidently telling vs, they doe not differ in any essentiall, or materiall point of Religion, such as this is. But put into this perplexitie, I must vse this Dilem­ma: if their first opinion, That the Pope is Antichrist, and cannot make Bishops, & preists, bee true, then their pretended Bishops, and ministers claymed by his ordination, are not true, and lawfull, but voide, and inualida­te: If their second opinion, contradictorie to the first bee true; that the Pope is not Anti­christ, but the true Vicar, Preist, and Bishop of Christ, (as one or the other is moste true) Then first (because it is not my nature to giue yt) they must take this infamous and notorious lye amongst them by their owne Iudgment▪ Secon­dly as their brethren before haue tolde them, they must confesse, that the Pope of Rome, and Offer supr. pag. 16. that church, and in them God and Christ Ihesus himselfe haue had greate wronge, and indignitis offered vnto them; and that the protestant chur­ches are schismaticall, in forsakinge the vnion, and communion with them. Thirdly, that their ex­treamest and bloody persecutions against the sacred preists, and Catholicks of England, haue longe time beene, and still continued, are yett [Page 38] moste barbarous and Antichristian.

Fourthly, that they must doe penance, and seeke absolution of this (by his maiesties Cen­sure) their Mother church.

Fiftly, they must still continue in this state, K. speach in parlam. recantinge their former false brauings, and he­resies, or els neuer to bee credited hereafter. This is all the choise I can propose vnto then, lett them make their owne election. And which soeuer they chuse, this is their miserable and desperate case, that they haue not now any one true, or lawfull Bishop, or preist (except some few vnhappy Renegadoes, from the Ro­mane church) in England, by their owne pro­ceedings. For if I should graunt (which Mason proueth not) that Barlowe was a true Bishop, made in the time of kinge Henry 8 and a Con­secrator of Matthew Parker, which soe many their owne testimonies before, deny; yet [...] M. Mason hath told vs before, that his commis­sion, power, and purpose was, to make him an Archbishop, according to the forme of the prote­stant Mason sup. in cōsecrat. Matth. park. statutes, which (as before) was onely to giue him false iurisdiction without order: And yett as I haue proued by them s [...]lu [...]s, true iu­risdiction maketh not a true and lawfull Bi­shop. Secondly whatsoeuer is the Catholick opinion in making Bishops, and whether one­ly one, or more consecratinge Bishops, of ne­cessitie are required, (whereof wee doe not dis­pute) because their commission was onely Stat. Henr. 8. of ma­king Bi­shops stat. An. 1. Eliz. reuiuing yt. according to the forme of their statutes; the statu­tes of kinge Henry 8. and Queene Elizabeth, (as before) required foure Bishops, and soe their practise is in all M. Masons pretended [Page 39] consecrations of, Yonge, Grindall, Packhurst, Mason in cons. of yon­ge, &c. Coxe, Iuell, Pilkinton, Sandes, Downame, Ben­tham, and the rest, though pretending to be onely ordinary Bishops: But for Archbishops their statutes of necessitie require fower, and being repealed by Q Elizabeth. Thirdly M. Mason sup. concil. Flor. in vnione. Mason, and others graunt, with the generall Councell of Florence, that nothing is soe essen­tiall in true ordination, as the true and lawfull forme, and matter. And yett M. Mason, and his directors bee wittnesses, that Parker, by who­me they all now clayme, was soe farr from ha­uinge the catholicke true forme, matter, and maner of consecration, That they plainely ack­nowledge, Hee was made and admitted far otherwise, and in different maner to all true Masōineōs. of Matth. Park. Archbishops of Canterbury before him, from S. Augustines time, and our first Christia­nitie.

Fourthly, if by impossibilitie, against all those euidence, and without any Rituall, or Order at all (then all both ours and their owne as before, condemned,) not one, or any part of any vsed, or lawfull to bee vsed, any man could bee seduced to thinke, that in their begynninge they had true Bishops, of them which had beene made preists, by catho­like consecration: yett because M. Mason, his Mason in consecr. directors, and others, and their generall practi­se assure vs, that noe man, not beinge a true and lawfull preist, can possibly bee made a Bishop, Stowe Hol­linsh. hi [...]t. An. 1. Eliz. Articles of Relig. &c. And bothe Barlowe, and all their other pre­tended Consecrators, were professed enemyes to preisthood, sacrifice, and holy oblation for the quicke and deade, and that forme was condem­ned [Page 40] by their lawes, and a quite contrary by sta­tutes of kinge Edward, and Q. Elizabeth made, allowed, and euer since practised against yt: these men, as I said, cannot possibly now haue either true Bishop or preist amonge them, all such in probabilitie deade longe since.

But M. Mason obiecteth, that true preisthood Mason in cōsecrat. of preists. is not sacrificing preisthood, nor giuen by such for­me, but by these wordes, Rec [...]aue the Holy Ghost, whose synnes you forgiue, they are forgiuen, Obiest. and whose synnes you retaine, they are retayned. And soe the Romane church euer retayninge in consecration, those wo [...]des, as well as those of offeringe sacrifice for the lyuing and deade, they still retayned true preisthood, & the pro­testants by that title and meanes receaued yt from them. I Answeare him, this is but his new and singular inuention; for D. Sutchffe spea­king Answ. of our preists, hath these wordes: their preists are not called to preach and baptize [...], but to Sutcliff. ag. D. Kell pag. 4. Feild l. of t [...]e church &c. sacrifice Christs body and blood vnder the acci­dents of breade and wine, for the quicke, and the deade. Like is the doctrine of the rest. And all­though we graunt the former wordes of losing and bindinge, to bee requisite to absolue from synnes, yett neither we, nor protestants truely relating our doctrine, can call yt, the principall act of preisthood, whereof wee dispute, and which if it [...]ee wanting, the secondary is not giuen. For proofe of this M. Mason himselfe bringeth more testimonies, out of scriptures, Councells, and fathers, then euer he, or prote­stants will answeare. I must be breife, There­fore Mason in sacrific [...]. &c. I vrge him but vppon these his graunts. Christ was a preist after the order of M [...]lchizedech, [Page 41] and soe was to offer sacrifice according to that Order, for as the Apostle saith, Euery high preist is to offer sacrifice to God for the people, therefore he graunteth, that Christs bodie and blood, giuen or offered, to God, for the people, is a true sacrifice. Which Christ manifestly affirmed to be done, at his institution of this sacrifice, when hee said▪ this is my bodie which is gi [...]en for you, my blood which is shedd for you in remission of synns. Otherwise hee had neuer performed the fun­ction of his preisthood, after the order of Mel­chisedech. Therefore seeing Christs bodie was giuen, and his blood shed both for the quick & the deade, and wee are preists after that order, we are by our preisthood to offer sacrifice for the people, because the Apostle saith euery highe preist, Archicireus, is to d [...]e yt, and to bee a preist and high preist, differ not in the prei­sthood, office, and sacrifice, but in the Archi, to bee higher or lower, greater or lesse in digni­tie, and Christ offering his body, and blood, for the quicke and deade, and giuing power to those whome he made preists, to doe that, which hee then did, Hoc facite, doe you this, which I doe, preists also must needs haue that power, and that power be the proper office of Holy preisthood. For at that time were the Apostles made preists, otherwise we doe not finde, where any power is communicated vnto them, to be ministers of this soe commaunded, and recommended sacracrament. And otherwi­se S. Thomas not present, when the wordes of binding and losing, were spoken vnto the Apo­stles, was not a preist in the doctrine of prote­stants, admitting nothinge but scriptures in [Page 42] such cases▪ Neither can those wordes, whos [...] syns you forgiue, they are forgiuen, and whose syns you retayne, they are retayned, confer that power, which belongeth to preists, if they were not to offer sacrifice, but onely to minister sacraments in the Religion of protestants, which doe not teach, that either the preist or sacrament, but the faith of the Receauer forgiueth syns. And soe essentiall it is to preisthood, to offer sacri­fice, that those which in our languadge we call preists, sacrifice, and altar, bee in other tonges, things inseperable, and Correlatiues, both in name and deed, Thusiastis, Thusia, Thusiast [...]rion, sacrificer, sacrifice, and place where there sacrifi­cer, or preist offereth sacrifice. Which insepera­ble connexion betweene sacrifice and altar, preist and sacrifice, D. Morton before acknow­ledgeth in these wordes. We cannot dislike t [...] sentence of D. Reynoldes, concerning the mutuall Mortō App. pa. 16 [...]. l. 2. ca. 6. sect. 1. Reinolds confer. pag. 550. Relation and dependance betweene an altare and sacrifice: But graunt, that altar doth as naturally and necessarily inferr a sacrifice, as a shrine doth a Saint, a father a sonne. And further these: Car­dinall Bellarmine said truly, viz: sacrifice and preistood are Relatiues. Therefore seing Relati­ues bee inseperable; preisthood and to offer sacrifice, cannot bee deuided, but inuiolably vnited and coniected together. Therefore the holy generall Councell, denied such by these protestants before, defineth thus. The forme Conc. Flor. in vnion. of preisthood is this: Receaue power to offer sa­crifice in the church, for the liuing and deade, in the name of the father, and of the sonne, and of the holy ghost. Neither is this by these prote­stants other doctrine, then was taught from the [Page 43] beginninge, but it was euer soe constantly and generall taught in the church, that it was adiu­ged and condemned for heresie in Aërius to deny yt. D. Felds wordes thereof are these: Arius condemned the custome of the church, in Feild p. 138 l 3. cap. 29. Couell exā. pag. 114. naminge the deade at the Alt [...]r, and offerringe the Sacrifice of Eucharist for them, for this his, [...]ash and inconsiderate boldnes, and presumption, in condemning the vniuersall church of Christ, hee was iust [...]y condemned. Therefore protestants ha­ue noe preisthood, they are iustly condemned for hereticks, by their owne censure, and the Romane sacrificing preisthood both by the present, and primatiue vniuersall church of Christ, is most holy. Which is further confir­med by these protestants authorities: first their allowed greeke church censureth these: The do­ctrine Feild of that church Gennad. Schol. def. 5 c. 3. Feild p. 238 Hull Rom. pol pa. 86. Middleton papistom p. 64▪ 45. 46. 51. 47. 48. 49. Relation of Religion. Casau. resp. ad Card. per p. 51. 52. &c of purgatorie, prayer & sacrifice for the dea­de, was a tradition of the Apostles, equall with the worde of God, as D. Feild writeth M. Hull saith, Leo, S. Leo, the Pope, appointed Masses for the dea­de. M. Middleton saith: It was a tradition of the primatiue church receaued from the fathers, to pray for the deade, and begg mercye of God for them, the deade were prayed for in the publick li­turgies of Basile, Crisostome, and Epiphanius. And their Relator wittnesseth, that these Masses, and forme of sacrifice, were publick in the church. Therefore M Isaac Casaubon, calling yt the Re­ligion of our kinge, and saying, he writeth by the kings commaund, and from his mouth, writeth these: neither is the kinge ignorant, nor den [...]eth, that the fathers of the primatiue church, did acknowledge one sacrifice in Christian Religion, that succeeded in the place of the sacrifices of Moses [Page 44] lawe. D. Morton goeth higher, euen to the Rab­bins before Christ, graunting with his frend Mortō app. in sacrifice, &c. Mortō app. pa. 395. l [...]. Theodore. Bibliander, that they taught this sacri­fice of the Christians and called yt Thoda. And hee addeth these: These testimonies of Rabbi Ca­hana, Rabbi Iuda, Rabbi Simeon, are such, if yet [...] they were such, that they make soe directly for the Romish article of transsubstantiatiō, that the most Romish Dostors for the space of allmoste a thou­sand yeares, after Christ, did not in soe expresse termes publish this mistery to the world. They are more playne and pregnant for transsubstantion, then are the sayings of transsubstantiators them­selues. pag. 396. Hitherto, D. Morton. And therefore all­though I now dispute for a sacrificing prei­sthood, and externall sacrifice, & not of tran­substantiation, or what it is in particular, that being impertinent to my present purpose; yett because D. Couell with publick allowance, be­fore hath told M. Morton, that preists (to vse Couell def. pag. 8 [...]. his wordes:) Haue power imparted to them by God ouer Christs naturall body, which is himselfe, which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs bodie, it hath to dispose of that flesh, which was gi­uen for the life of the worlde: and that blood which pag. 105. was powred out to redeeme soules. And M. Casau­bon graunteth for our kinge, and their prote­stāts church, that the sacrifice offered by preists is Christs bodye (to vse his wordes) the same ob­iect, Casaub sup pag. 50. 51. and thinge, which the Romane church belee­ueth Therefore, I say, because D. Morton ack­nowledgeth himselfe but an Alephbethorian in Mortōpr [...]ā. Hebrue, not able to Iudge of those Rabbines, and I may not dispute, but by protestants, his f [...]end and fellowe protestant Franciscus Starea­rus [Page 45] Hebraicae literaturae callentissimus, most excel­lent in Hebrue learninge, as the Franck fort pro­testant allowers of those Rabbines name h [...]m, Praefat. prot in p. G [...]l. Frā [...] fur [...]i An. 1602. and they themselues are wittnesses, doe call those and other, testimonies of the Rabbines before Christ. Irrefragabilia testimonia: vndeniable testimonies of the kingdome of Christ, that all men except madd against the Religion of Christ, might knowe the truthe. Therefore by all kinde of Testimonies in the Iudgment of these pro­testants, as scriptures, traditions, Councells, the whole church of Christ, holy fathers, and the protestant proceedings themselues, the sa­crificing preistood of the Romane church, is Stat. An. 8. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe in Ed. 6. Regist. e [...]d. pereg. in Lōd Reinol. Caluinot. Resp. lustit english mi­n [...]sters in state of treason, & protestāt [...]n felony by their do­ctrine. Method. pataren. l. decret. ab init. Iams Manuscrip in Can [...] ­trig. lawfull, sacred, and moste reuerent: And the pretended english Bishops, made either by vertue of the Queenes letters patents or commission, as the wordes of the statute bee, as kinge Edward made Ihon of Alasco, or by the new toyeish booke of ordination, or otherwi­se, and their ministery deriued from them, is voide, ridiculous, and vsurped, none at all.

But before I conclude this Chapter, because I meruaile, more then vrgent occasions mouin­ge me. with what colour of reason, or least shewe of common ciuilitie, this false, adultera­te, vnsacrificing pretended ministery foretold by that badge, of taking away the publick sacri­fice, and making them preists, that are mere lay men, by that Holy Bishop S. Methodius, about 1400. yeares agoe wa [...]ranted by M. Iames the protestant in his booke of english manu­scripts and doe vnconscionably persecute the churche of Rome, especiall the preisthood [Page 46] thereof, and yett claime & honor their preten­ded ministery from thence: I humbly craue lea­ue of his Maiestie, my moste honored Lordes, and other temporall Rulers in authoritie, that as I haue confuted the vayne pretences of these men, and demonstratiuely proued by our grea­test aduersaries, the dignitie of our moste holy consecration; soe in one protestant Argument, I may proue the absurditie, and p [...]rill of prote­stants clayming from Rome: And thus I argue: All men borne within this Realme or any other do­minions vnder the Regiment of Queene Elizabeth An 27. Eli. cap. 2. in the 27. yeare of her raigne, and [...]ynce the feastè of the natiuitie of S. Ihon Baptist, in the first yea­re of her raigne made preists, deacons, or religeous, or ecclesiasticall parsons, made or ordeyned by any authoritie, power, or iurisdiction, deriued, challen­ged, or pretended from the See of Rome, are Tray­tors and guiltie of high treason: And euery parson Wittnigly and willingly that receaue, releeue, com­fort, ayde or mayntaine any such preist, deacon re­ligeous or ecclesiasticall parson being at libertie, (as all saying seruice in their churches bee) [...] to bee adiuged a felone, without benefite of clar­gie, and suffer death lose, and forfaite, as in case of one attainted of felonye: But all protestant en­glish Bishops, and Ministers as their Doctors before haue told vs were soe made, by authori­tie, and power, and ordination deriued, chalen­ged, and pretended by them from the See of Rome; and aboue fi [...]e monethes synce that feast of Saint Ihon Baptist in the moneth of Decem­ber followinge, when Matthew Parker their first protestant Archbishop was made their Sutcliff ag. [...]ll [...]a. 4. 5. Archbishop and first minister maker by autho­tie [Page 47] and power from the See of Rome, as D. Suttcliffe D. Feild, M. Mason, the present prote­stant Feild sup. Mason epi. ded. in cōsec of Matthew Park. An. 2. Elizab. &c Archbishop of Canterbury, his director Encourager, and others doe testifie: Therefore all english ministers by them bee traytors: and all reliuers, receauers, comforters, ayders, main­tainers, or wittingly and willingly communi­cating with them, as their wiues, children, all goinge to their seruice, or sermons, bee felons, and to suffer death, lose and forfaite as in such case. Both propositions bee confessed by these protestants for true, and vndoubted; the first being the expresse wordes of their parla­men [...], and highest commaundinge lawe, in the seauen and twentieth yeare, of Quee­ne Stat. an. 27. Eliz. cap. 2. Stat parla. 1. Iacob. &c Elizabeth, and confirmed in the first parla­ment of his maiestie. The second proposition, is the generall doctrine of their protestant Arch­bishops, Bishops, and Doctors at this present, as is proued before. And if any man of singula­ritie amonge them shall deny yt: hee incurreth the former inconuenience to desminister and vnbishop all their soe named english prote­stant Bishops, and ministers, and make them to bee onely by the makinge of a woman, Queene Elizabeth, which marred many but could make none, as these protestants haue de­monstrated before. If any man obiect; that all Obiect. such ordained preists, deacons, or ecclesiasticall parsons, by takinge the oath of supreamacie, and liuing accordinge to their protestant Reli­gion, and lawes in England, are excepted by speciall prouision of that statute, and that the ministers of England takinge that oathe, when Book [...] of Ordin. in ord. Deacōs. &c they are made deacons, as appeareth in their [Page] Rituall, of soe named, consecration, and soe strictly obseruing the protestant Religion that they persecute the contrary, are by this meanes exempt [...]d: I answeare: there is noe such prouision, or exemption for such men, in that sta [...]u [...]. But the exemption there, onely concer­neth, [...]eare. and enfraunchizeth catholicke preists, that then were come into England, and had the time of fourt [...]e dayes to depart, or such as should after come into England, and within three dayes, soe (as they terme yt) conforme themselues, and noe others, for euidence whe­ [...]f the very wordes of that prouision and [...], bee these, that followe. Prouided [...] that this Ast shall not extend to any such Ie­ [...] [...] [...]eminariè preist, or other such preist, deacon [...] Religeous, or ecclesiasticall parson, as is before mentioned, as shall at any time, wit [...] in the said [...]ourtie daies, or within three dayes after that hee shall hereafter come into this Realme, or any other her [...]ighnes dominions, submit himselfe to some Archbishop, Bishop of this Realme, or to some Iu­stice of peace within the countie, where hee shall arriue or lande, and doe there vpon truely and sin­cerely before the same Archbishop, Bishop, or suche Iustice of peace, take the said oathe sett forthe in Anno p [...]imo, and by writinge vnder his hand con­fesse & ackno [...]ledge, and from thence foorth con­tinue his due obedience vnto highne [...] lawes, &c. Hitherto the exemption of their lawe, which by noe meanes possible can bee applyed to their english ministers, none of them being in ei­ther of those onely two exempted cases. Ther­fore, neither by the lawes of God, or this king­dome, it can bee lawfull to communicate with [Page 49] english ministers in their seruice, and Reli­gion, without extreame, capitall, and damna­ble perill, by their owne testimonies, M. Speed Theat pag. 421. Speed addeth all communicating with maried preists, are excommunicated by generall Councell.

The 3. particular Protestant Demonstration, for Catholicks iust Recusancie, is: Because the not preaching of the word of God, a thinge essen­tiall to the true church of Cbrist, in Prote­stant doctrine, is not amonge them, by their owne testimonies.

AND by this it is euident, that they haue not the other two protestant Notes and properties, of the true church, preaching of the Articu. 19. puer worde ōf God, and sacraments duely ministred in the congregation of faithfull men: for as the sacraments cannot bee duely ministred, wher [...] there bee not due Ministers of them: soe the puer word of God cannot possibly, lawfully, and truely bee preached without preachers of yt: for sacraments duly ministred, and due ministers of them, as alsoe the word of God truely preached, and true prea­chers of yt, bee correlatiues which mutuò se po­nunt & aufferunt, come and goe together, as logi­tians and reason teach vs. Therfore S. Paule knowing how vnpbssible a thinge it is, for the truth of Christs Ghospell to bee preached with­out preachers, and true ministers lawfully or­deyned & sent, expresseth it by this gradation, [Page 50] as these protestants themselues translate him. How shall they call on him, in whome they haue [...]. ca. 10 vers. 14. 15. not beleeued; and how shall they beleeue in him of whom they haue not heard? and how shall they hea­re without a preacher? and how shall they preach, except they bee sent? And therevppon these en­glish protestants in their moste authori [...]ed Ar­ti [...]les, vtterly disable all that are not lawfully called to thes functions, And D. Couell giueth a reason of it in these wordes: T [...]e church hath Art minist. in the con­greg. art. 23 Couell exa. pag. 130. noe reason to heare their voice, whom Christ hath not commaunded to feede his she [...]p [...].

Secondly there is made demonstration befo­re, first in generall, that all groundes and rules in diuinitie, scriptures, traditions, Popes, Coun­cells, fathers, &c. are against their doctrines and opinions: as alsoe that in particular in euery cheefe Article questioned betweene Catholicks and them, they are in vnexcusable error, by their owne testimonies; therefore the pure word cannot bee preached by them, their church consequently is not by their owne defi­nition, the true church, nor any hope of salua­tion to bee had in their Religion: And soe they are not to bee communicated with in such bu­sines.

Further I argue thus: noe societie or congre­gation of men hauing by their owne confession, errors in matters of faith; to bee rectified and amended, hauing erroneous conceipts, desi­ring, se [...]king, or wanting reformation in mat­ters of beleefe, can bee said to haue the pure word of God preached with them: But these english protestants by their owne confession are in this state: Therfore▪ the pure worde of [Page 51] God is not preached with them. The maior proposition is euidently true: for as nothinge is soe vndoubtedlie true, as the worde of God, which by noe possibilitie can bee vntrue, and the pure word of God cannot bee vnpure and false: Soe errors in matters of faith to bee re­ctified, amended, &c. cannot by any meanes bee said to bee pure, the worde of God, or truth, but the quite opposite, vnpure, the word of the deuill a lyer, and falsehood. The minor proposition is thus proued by these protestāts: first D. Willet is soe absolute, that their en­glish protestant church is erroneous and false in doctrine, that M. Parkes writeth of him in these words. M. Willet exclaymeth moste bitter­ly Parkes ag. lymbo p. [...]0▪ Couell exā. p. 212. 213. against the protestants english church in the preface before his Antilogie. D. Couell turning his speach to our kinge for Correction, hath these words. The church of England which l [...]et [...] prostrate at your graces feete, desireth not to be [...] fauoured in her errors, nor to haue her corruptions warranted by authoritie. D. Wiliet telleth vs it, Willet sup. & pag. 43. petition of 1000. &c. Answere of the vniuer­sity. King speach 19 mart. An. 1603. hath erroneous conceipts it hath errors in doctrine. The petition of the millinarie Puritans write how erroneous the english protestants church is, and far from hauing the pure word of God preached in yt. And the two vniuersities in their Answere, submit their Religion to bee corrected or altered as the kinge pleased. And the kings Maiestie himselfe in publicke parlament vseth these word: I could wish frō my hart, that laying willfullnes aside, wee might meete in the midst. I would for my owne part bee content to mee­te them in the midd way, that all nouelties might bee renounced. These hee testifieth of the english [Page 52] protestant Religion. And in the Conference at Hampton Court, as their Bishop Barlowe re­lateth it: concludeth this point as all the rest, that Conference pag. 47. errors in matters of faith might bee rectified and amended. Then if the kinge and whole prote­stant assembly, & all the rest concluded, that the errors in matters of faith might bee rectified, &c. Their opinion was, that they had errors in mat­ters of faith, and soe not the pure word of God, which by noe possibilitie can admit such errors: nor any one least error at all in Religion.

Againe thus I argue: None that haue beene condemned about articles of faith, or as here­tiks by generall councell, haue the pure worde of God, or may bee communicated with, in such religeous things: but the english prote­stants are such, by their owne, iudgments: Ther­fore they haue not the pure word preached, nor may bee communicated with in Religion. The maior proposition is▪ euidently true, and shall more lardgely bee handled in my chapter, that these englsh protestants by their owne testi­monies are hereticks, in the meane time D. Co­uell writing how wee may not communicate with such men, doth thus define them. Here­ticks Couell exā. pag. 199. are they, whoe directly gaynesay some article of our faith, and are, or haue beene condemned, by seme generall Councell. The minor proposition, that our english protestants haue beene thus condemned by their owne confession, not one­ly by some one generall Councell, which this protestant D. alloweth for a lawfull condem­nation of men for hereticks, but by many Cou [...]lls acknowledged by themselues for [Page 53] generall, is proued by them before: And for this place their generally allowed Article shall suffice, sett downe in these words. Generall Councells may err and sometime haue erred, euen in things pertayning vnto God, wherefore things ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation, haue neither strength nor authoritie, vnlesse yt may bee declared that they bee taken out of Holy scrip­ture. And how declaration with them in this poynt consisteth in their owne priuate dedu­ction (for they can neuer haue any to bee estee­med publicke against a publicke generall) is thus testified by M▪ Wotton and the authorized priuiledg to this booke; deduction from scriptu­re Wottō def. of perk. pa. 467. maketh a matter of faith. By which Rule, if priuate men may soe censure generall coun­cells, there neuer was, or can bee any heresie. Therefore by this doctrine in all probabilitie the english protestants assuredly know how they haue beene condemned for hereticks, and are as such to bee auoided in communication of Religion. Otherwise they would not soe ex­toll priuate and fallible deduction, aboue the authoritie of generall Councells, to say that these may err, and their priuate deductions are such warrant for them, that they should priui­ledge a man to write in all their names in this maner: Wee acknowledge both and holde all mat­ters▪ Wottō sup. pag. 467. concluded logically out of the scriptures, to bee the word of God, as well as if they were expressely sett downe in yt, vvorde for vvord [...]. And yett they generally teach, as before, that their church hath errors in doctrine, and that neither prince, nor any amonge them is free from error. Then Willet art. p. 43▪ 150. noe man is left to make these their pretended [Page 54] infallible deductions from scripture. Therefore the pure word of God neither is, nor by their writings, can bee preached with them.

Further I argue in this maner; Whatsoeuer is confidently taught, printed, and published, by men of Religion, is to bee allowed and graunted by all that acknowledg themselues to bee wholly of the same Religion, with them, in all things essētiall: But the hauing of the pure worde preached, though essentiall in Religion, is yet denyde by these consenting protestants to bee in their church: Therfore they must graunt it is wanting with them. The maior proposi­tion is euidently true, otherwise they should not agree, but dissent in essentiall things. The minor is thus proued by these agreing prote­stants. M. Iacob one of their agreing protestants writeteh in these words: the protestants flocke Iacob Reas pag. 52. pa. 52. 53. Iacob reas. episc. dedic. pag. 51. of England cannot expect that heauen shall bee opened vnto them And thus further: The english p [...]otestant Religion diminisheth the honor, and di­gnitie of Christ, impugneth the foundation of sa­uing faith, and is contrary to Gods word. And thus againe: Christs owne ordinances necessarie to bee enioyed for our soules health, are wanting in England, t [...]ere is noe ordinary meanes of saluation Iacob exhor pag. 82. pag 79. 8: to bee had, in the english protestant Religion, euery man vvanteth the heauenly foode, and perseruati­ue, appointed for vs, of God, the english protestant church vvanteth the ordinary meanes appointed of God, for saluation to euery man Their agreing protestant author of the booke named Aduer­tisement, sp [...]eking of the errors of their english Aduertise­ment An. 1604. pag. protestant church, writeth thus: Millions of millions runne to eternall flames, Christianitie is [Page 55] denyed in England by publicke authoritie. Their Certaine dem▪ An. 1605. p. 4 [...] thus well agreing Author of certayne demaunds hath these wordes: The protestant Religion of England cannot bee kept vvithout breach of the commaundments. Therfore the pure word of God is not preached with them, their church not true, their Religion false, noe saluation to bee hoped with them, therefore noe commu­nion in Religion to bee yeelded vnto them. And this is sufficiently graunted by the protestant Bishops themselues, in their publicke Confe­rence at Hampton Court, where their beha­uiour and confession was this, as the protestant Author of the first copie, ioyned to that of their Bishop Barlowes, setteth downe in thes words: Canterbury, London, Winchester, fell dovvne on their knees, and desired, that all things might re­mayne, Conference at Hamptō copie 1. an­nexed to B. Barlovves printed by Ihōwindet. Copie 2 sup least the papists should thinke vvee haue beene in error. And this is confirmed by a secon­de protestant writer, and Copie of that confe­rence in this maner: Bishops of Canterburye, London and Winchester makinge earnest suite, that all things might stand as they did, leaste the papists should take offence, vvhoe might say, vvee vvould persvvad [...] them to come to a church ha­uing errors in yt. Like is the testimonie of a third Copie 3. protestant Copie followinge in the same place. And D. Morton concludeth this matter with this generall protestant Maxime, and grounde in their doctrine: It is a generall Maxime, there is none in the churche, vvhose iudgment is of infalli­ble Morton Apol. part. 2. pag. 315. authoritie. Then an other Maxime is, that the protestants church is erroneous, & hath not true faith, for euery article of faith being [...]euea­led of God, is most certaine & infallibly true.

The 4. particular protestant demonstration, is: because english protestants by their owne te­stimonies, want the due ministration of Sa­craments: an other thinge alsoe essentiall to the true church, by their owne Reli­gion.

AS I haue proued in the former Chapter, that the protestants of England haue not the pure worde of God preached amonge them, because by their owne testimonie they haue noe true and lawfull preachers: Soe I now de­monstrate, that they haue not the due mini­stration of Sacraments, because they want a true and lawfull ministery, and sacred mini­sters to administer them: for where the due and right Actor and doer of a thinge is not, the thinge cannot bee duely & righly done, be­cause euery externall Action is an emanation or doing of the effect from the agent.

Secondly I argue thus: These protestants haue not sacraments: Therfore not sacraments duely ministred. The consequence is euidently true: for where there is noe action or thinge to bee done, there yt cannot bee either dulie or vnduely done; because yt can by noe wayes bee done. The Antecedent that these protestants haue not sacraments, I thus demonstrate from themselues: for first they deny fyue of those se­uen which the Apostolick Romane church re­ceaueth, onely retayning twoe as they them­selues [Page 57] affirme, that is Baptisme, and the Lords supper as they name the moste holy sacrament of the Altar. Soe that if but one of these twoe, is want [...]ng with them, they cannot bee said to haue sacraments in the plurall number, as their definition before containeth, but one onely sa­crament; and if that is either wanting with them, or not duely ministred by them, they haue none at all duely ministred. Now that the blessed sacrament of the altar is wanting in their church, I thus demonstrate. First because as they acknowledg, it is to bee celebrated by a lawfully consecrated preist, or minister, as so­me of them rather call him, yt selfe beinge a sacrament of greatest consecration, and they haue not any such cōsecrated preist or minister in their church; therefore this soe sacred and consecrated holy sacrament, not being without such consecration and preist, is not in their church, and their breade and wyne is noe more a sacrament then that which in a tauerne is seet on the table by the drawer of the wine.

And for this present it is manifestly demon­strated by D. Couell, and his priuiledging pro­testants, whoe entreating of lawfully called & sacred church preists, or ministers hath these words: To these parsons God imparted power ouer Couell def. of Hook-pa. 87. his misticall body which is the societie of soules, & ouer that naturall, which is himselfe, for the knit­tiuge of bothe in one, a worke which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs body. And in an other booke hee writeth thus: The power of the Couell mod. exam. pag. 105. ministery by blessing visible Elements, it maketh them inuisible grace, it giueth dayly the holy ghost, it hath [...]o dispose of that flesh, which was giuen for [Page 58] the life life of the worlde: and that blood which was powred out tò rèdeme soules. Where wee see a diuine and miraculous consecration, and grace belonging to both these holy Sacraments, of Order to consecrate, and the most blessed Eu­charist the bodie and blood of Christ to bee consecrated: both which as is manifest, are wanting in the english protestants church, by their owne both practise and writings. And to make this matter more euident, if it could bee, and further confirme, that these men want this sacred Order and Sacrament of preisthood to minister this and the other sacraments, hee writeth of yt againe in this maner. It is a power, Couell def. sup. pa. 87. 88. 89. 91. which neither prince nor potentate, kinge nor Cae­sar on earth cā giue. Ministeriall power is a worke of seperation, because it seuereth them, that haue yt, from other men, and maketh them a speciall Or­der, consecrated vnto the seruice of the moste high, in things, wherewith others may not ineddle. The Character of Order is an actiue power, which gi­ueth an Abilitie, publickly to administer the sacra­ments. Then the pretended ministery of En­gland, not being of this holy Order, as is pro­ued from them before, hath noe power to mi­nister sacraments, especiall this which consi­steth in soe holy consecration, which they not onely want, but deny to bee exercised.

Therefore there remaineth but one Sacra­ment Baptisme, which these protestants can by any sembl [...]n [...]e of reason make clayme vnto, & if this were graunted, yett they are allreadie by themselues condemned, not hauing either sa­craments duely ministred, or sacraments how soeuer duely or vnduly ministred, and soe haue [Page 59] noe note of the true church by their owne do­ctrine. But I will alsoe shew that by their ow­ne testimonie they either haue not this sacra­ment, or not duely ministred. And thus I ar­gue by their doctrine. Noe ministringe of Bap­tisme by women, lay men, or any but a lawfully admitted minister is duely ministred: But with protestants in England lawfull ministers doe not baptize by their owne testimonie: There­fore Baptisme with them is noe true baptisme, or not duely ministred by their owne Iudg­ment. The maior proposition is proued by his Maiesties Censure in their Hampton Confe­rence, where their Bishop Barlowe speaking of three things to bee then cheefely entreated wri­teth thus: The third was priuate baptisme: if pri­uate Cōferēce at Hampt. Court. pa. 8 for place, his maiestie thought it agreed with the vse of the primatiue church: if for parsons, that any but a lawfull minister might baptise any Where, hee vtterly disliked: and in this point his highnes grewe somewhat earnest, against the bapti­zing by Women, and laickes The first of the other Copie 1 sup. annexed protestant copies reporteth the Kings speache, in this maner: Hee spake bitterly against Copie. 2. priuate Baptisme, saying hee had as liue an ape as a vvoman should bapti [...]e [...]s child▪ The next pro­testant copie of that conference speaketh thus: The kinge concluded against priuate Baptisme. By which it seemeth, that Baptisme ministred by any but a truely and lawfully ordered preist, or minister was not Baptisme: And then to proue the minor proposition, the english pro­testants of england haue not true baptisme. Be­cause as is proued before, by their owne wri­tings, they haue noe true ministers. And soe by [Page] their owne publicke communion booke, tea­ching, comm. boo­ke tit. publ. Baptisme. that none are admitted into the Church of Christ but by Baptisme: the protestants of En­gland by their owne doctrine, are noe Chri­stians▪ Which abs [...]rditie to follow vppon this doctrine, ioyned with the defect of their pro­testant ministery, may seeme to haue beene per­ceaued by D. Bilson their protestant Bishop of Winchester, for that protestant Author of Copie 1. of Conference sup. the first copie writeth thus: The Bishop of Win­chester sayde, that if h [...] tooke avvay priuate bap­tisme, hee ouerthrevv all antiquitie.

Further I argue thus: The protestants of En­gland by their owne testimonies to bee vsed in the next chapters, and as appeareth alsoe by them allreadie, are hereticks: therefore by their doctrie printed, their children are not to bee baptized: And soe by them there is noe bap­tisme priuate or not priuate amonge them be­cause they onely baptise children. The Ante­cedent is euident: and the consequent published Ormerod dialog. 1. by M. Ormerod in these wordes: Children of he­reticks, and of such as by excommunication, are cut from the church, may not bee baptised▪ Therefore by these protestant positions, noe protestants in England being either to baptise, or bee bap­tized, there is noe Baptisme among them, much lesse Baptisme duely ministred, which is the poynt in question. And soe not any one sacra­ment to giue grace amonge them: therfore noe meruaile if soe greate & prophane sins & impie­ties raigne amōg them, as they testifie hereafter.

Further: whereas it is proued, that Christ instituted all those seauen sacraments which bee vsed in the Romane church, with their gra­ce, [Page 61] matter, forme, &c. these men doe not retay­ne any one, or not duely ministred by their ow­ne testimonies: Therfore noe true church with them, nor spirituall communion to bee had with them.

To these I add this argument from themsel­ues, soe agreing together in all materiall things such as sacraments bee: noe companie where the sacraments bee not, or not duely ministred, is the true church, or to bee communicated within Religion: But the english protestant supposed church by their owne testimonies, is such: Therefore it is not the true church, nor to bee communicated with in Religion, the Articul. 19 maior proposition consisteth of their pu­blicke, and Authorized article of Reli­gion.

The minor is thus proued by these agreing protestants, M. Ormerod relateth their senten­ce in these words: amonge the protestants, sacra­ments Ormer pict purit. l. 3. & dial 1. are vvickedly mangled, and prophaned, yea and vvickedly ministred. For confirmation whe­reof, their Bishop Barlowe hath thus written, by the testimonie of their late Archbishop of Canterbury, and the Lord Chauncellor before the kinge: The vicar of [...]a [...]sdale was proued be­fore Cōfe [...]ēce at Hampton pag 99. the Lord Archbishop to deale breade out of a baskett for the communion, euery man putting in his hand, and taking out a peece. The protestant Author of the booke named, An abridgment Abridgmēt pag. 72. of Lincoln dioces, writeth thus, of their publickly allowed practicall of Religion; It appointeth sondry things, that tend directly to the prophana­tion, of the holy sacraments, either by prostituting them to vnvvorthie parsons, or administringe [Page 62] them vnreuerently. And D. Willet the stiled Professor of diuinitie, seemeth to bee of the sa­me opinion; And therefore coueteth to retay­ne a name of a church vnto them, though they haue noe sacrament at all, not b [...]ptisme yt selfe to bee ministred in yt: wherevppon his words bee these: It is [...]rr [...]neous to thinke that Baptism [...] Willet An til pa. 127. and the church can not bee sepera [...]ed.

The 5. Demonstration, is: Because these pro­testants manifestly acknowledge, that their pretended church is not the true church of Christ.

AND by this it is euidently demonstra­ [...]ed by these protestants against themsel­ues, that soe longe time pretending to bee re­f [...]ners of Religion, and church, they are now conuinced by their owne Testimonies, not to haue the true church, but rather noe church of Christianitie att all. For wheresoeuer the pure word of God is not preached, the sacraments duely ministred and lawfully called ministers to doe these things, ther is not the true church, but rather noe christian church att all: But as is proued by these english protestants such is their st [...]te and condition: Therefore they ey­ther haue noe christian church at all, or at the leaste noe true church by their owne confes­sion. Therefore noe spiri [...]uall communion to bee had with them, both propositions are graunted an [...] proued by [...]heses protestants be­fore, and further may bee confirmed by these [Page 63] words of D. Feild for the ma [...]or proposition: There is and allwayes hath beene a visible church, Feild pa▪ 21 and that not consistinge of some fo [...]e scattered Christians, without order of ministery, or vse of sacraments: for all this vve doe moste Willingly yeeld vnto, And againe in this maner. In the Feild sup. pag. 25. church of God is fovvnde an entire profession of the sauing truth of God, Order of holy ministery, sacraments by vertue thereof a [...]ministred, and a blessed▪ vnitie and fellovvship of the people of God, &c. vnder the commaunde of lavvfull pastors and guides. And againe in his second booke hee Feild l. 2. ca. 2. p. 40. maketh this a note vnseperable: an vnion or connexion of men in profession, and vse of sacra­ments, vnder lavvfull pastors. Therefore demon­stration being made, by these protestants them­selues, that their Church soe termed by them, wanteth these things, which is the second pro­position: The Conclusion that their Congre­gation or pretended church, is noe church, or not the true church, is manifestly true: and soe not to bee communicated within Religion.

Further from soe well agreing protestants in all essentiall things, as they teache vs, I argue thus: Noe societie or companie of men affir­med by themselues, or men agreing with them in all essentiall and materiall, points of Reli­gion, to bee noe church or not the true church, can in conscience bee taken and esteemd by others differing from them in Religion, to bee the true church, and to bee communicated with in sermons, seruyce, Sacraments &c. But the english protestants are in this condition▪ Therfore they haue not the true church, nor may bee communicated with in such things. [Page 64] The maior proposition is euidently true: for noe testimonie is greater to a man then his owne iudgment vnderstanding, and conscien­ce, and of others not differinge, beinge an in­ternall lawe and direction vnto all men. The mi­nor Couell def. of Hooke pag 65. 75, pag. 74. Couell exā. pag. 3▪ Ormerod pict purit. k. 1. Ormer dial. 1. Feild episc. dedicat. of the church Couell def. pa. 50. cont. Burg. p. 60. Wottō def. p. 442. &c. D. Abbotag Hill. p. 101. 102. 236. 237. 247. doue persu p. 32. mort. satisf p. 18. Sutcl. ag. kell pag. 42 i [...] ill. Antil. p. 15. Middl. pap. pa. 201 Wottō def. is thus proued by these their soe well agre [...]ng protestants themselues: whose senten­ce is thus sett downe by D. Couell in these words: The statute congregations of England ar [...] noe true churches. And againe in these termes: the protestant church of England is noe church at all And further thus: the protestants of England haue noe forme of a church. M. Ormerod l [...]ke­wise doth thus register their Censure. against themselues in this order: The protestant church is not the true church of Christ. And thus againe: the protestant church in England is not the true church, it hath not soe much as the outward face and shew of the true church. Then because D. Feild with others assure vs, there is no [...] part of heauenly doctrine more necessarie in these daies, then to knovv the church, and true sponse of Christ, and that there is noe saluation, remission of synnes, or hope of eternall life out of the church, This must needs bee a moste necessarie, essen­tiall, and materiall point in Religion; otherwi­se nothing is, or can bee necessarie, essentiall, or materiall, wherefore seinge their protestant Archbishop of Canterbury their protestant Bishop of Peterborough, their Doctors Morton, Sutcliffe, Willet, Wotton, Povvell, Middleton, and all protestants as they teach, doe hold that they all agree in euery essentiall point, & none but papists and lyers affirme the contrary, and noe Goliath can proue yt, they all agree and must [Page 65] conclude, that the protestants haue noe church, p. 28. Cou [...]ll ag. apologet. epist. pag. 48. 52. &c. or not the true church: And soe noe spirituall communion is to bee had with them.

The 6. particular protestant demonstration, for Catholicks iust Recusancie, is: Because En­glish protestants by their owne testimonies, are hereticks, and moste notorious here­ticks.

FVRTHER I proceede in this matter, with this demonstration: noe societie, companie, or fellowship of men, that by their owne te­stimonies, or hereticks, may bee communica­ted with in spirituall things: But these english protestants are such: therefore not to bee com­municated with, in such busines. The maior proposition is thus proued by these prote­stants. Their Bishop D. Doue writeth thus: This proposition noe hereticks nor Scismaticks are Doue per­suas. pag. to bee communicated withall, is vndoubtedly true, because it is grounted vppon scripture. Tit. 3. Ioh. [...]p. 2. Rom. 16. M. Hull teaceth by many examples Hull Rom. pol. p. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. Ormer. pag p. 51. Powell cons. pag. 8. in concl. Sutcl. exam of petit p. 9. and testimonies of scriptures, and antiquitie in this maner: Wee may not communicate vvith hereticks and men of a diuers Religion. M. Orme­rod is of the same opinion, M. Powell writeth thus: With Idolaters & hereticks▪ good men ought to haue no [...] communion. D. Sutcliff handleth this point more at lardge: and first citeth the Loadi­cean councell can. 31. 32. 33. which doth directly condemne communion▪ vvith hereticks, either in [Page] Mariadge or in prayer. And hee further speaketh thus: The fourth councell of Cathage cap. 70. for­biddeth cleargie men all festings and fellovvship vvith hereticks and Scismaticks: Alsoe against communion with such people hee citeth these scriptures. Deuter 13. Psal 16. Deut. 16. Deut. 29. Sutcl. sup. pa. 5. 6. 7. 8. Zephan 1. Matth 7. Matth. 16, Gal 5. Apocal. 2. num 16. Iosue 23. 2. Corinth. 6. And calleth euen the tolleration of any false hereticall▪ Religion, re­pugnant to R [...]asons of Religion, and holy scriptares. Hee telleth further: such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church, and of auntient christian Emperors. For fathers hee citeth S. Athanasius, Gregorie Nazianeen, sup. pa. 10. 11. cap. 3. Hierome, Augustine, Ambrose, Irenaeus, Dionysius, Heraclas, Optatus of Meleuit. And addeth thus: Eusebius l. 7. hist. c. 6. by the authoritie of Dyoni­nisius and Heraclas, prou [...]th, that such as conuer­so vvith hereticks are excommunicate. For Em­perors hee alleadgeth the degrees of these pri­matiue pag. 11. christiā Emperors, Constātine, Gratian, Valentinian, Theodosius, Arcadius, Honorius, Martianus, and Iustinian. And to conclude, that all protestants will seeme to bee of the sa­me opinion, the protestant Author of the boo­ke Abridgmēt An. 1605. pag. 18. named Abridgment of a booke of the ministers of Lincoln dioces, writeth thus: By the iudgment of the godly learned of all churches, and ages, vvho haue constantly taught and giuen testimonie to this truth, that Christians are bounde to cast of the cer [...]monies, and r [...]ligeous customes of pagans, Ievves, Idolaters and hereticks and carefully to shun all conformitie vvith them. And for this Sup. pa. 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. auoyding of communion, hee citeth the first ge­nerall councell of Nice, Augustine, Tertullian, Pope [Page 67] Melchiades, Ambrose, Gregorie the greate, S. Le [...], the church of Scotland, Oecolampadius, Caluin, Bucor, Musculus, Peter martyr, Beza, Zanchius, Pezelius, Mollerus, Szeg [...]dinus, Danaeus, Micha­baeus, Zepperus, Wigandus, M. Rogers, the lat [...] Queenes iniunctions, her Canons, Bishop I [...]w [...]ll, B. Pilkinton. B. Westphaling [...], Bilson, D. Humfry, D. Fulke, D. Andrevves, D. Sutcliffe, and other protestants. Soe that wee see, by these men, that this is onely the doctrine of the primatiue Councells, fathers Emperors and the present catholicke church, but generally of protestants themselues.

The second proposition, that these prote­stants are hereticks, is directly proued before by their owne writings: for men obstinately settinge vpp, and mayntayninge against their lawfull superior, and commaunding Authori­tie, a congregation of men wanting true prea­ching of the word of God, due ministration of sacramens, and an intruded and vsurped mini­stery, as by their owne testimonies they haue longe tiue done, and still doe, must needs bee hereticks. For thus they define heresie: Hereticks Couell ex [...] ▪ pag. 202. Ormerod dial. 2. are men obstinately [...]rringe in some fundamentall poynt. Such as these bee by their owne doctrine before. And these againe: Hee is an hereticke, which so [...] swarueth from the vvholesome doctrine, as contemning the iudgment both of God, and the church, persisteth in his opinion, and breaketh the peace of the church. As these men haue longe time done in the highest degree and soe still perseuere.

Secondly, as I haue alsoe proued before, D. Couell exā. pag. 199. Couell writeth thus: Hereticks are they, vvhoe [Page 68] directly gaynesay some article of our faith. & are, or haue beene condemned by some generall Coun­cell. But these protestants are in this state con­demned, as they haue acknowledged in diuers such articles, by diuers councells which they write and testifie to bee generall, as the second Nicene Councell, the Councell of Florence, Constance Laterane and others, and not in so­me one article of faith, though that by their re­cited definition were sufficient to make them hereticks, but in all or the cheefest articles of their Religion, and yett not onely obstinately they defend their Errors against these allowed generall Councells, and the whole Catholicke church, but moste vnchristianely and heretical­ly haue in their subscribed article condemned these their lawfull iudges, to haue erred in tho­se Articu. 19. things: which is the greatest and moste no­torious act of heresie, that can bee, and such as destroyeth all true Religion. Therefore by their owne Censure they are notorious hereticks, & not to bee communicated withall, in matters of Religion.

Thirdly I suppose in this place breefely, which these protestants before haue testified at lardge, that they all agree in fundamentall points, without variance at all, And that defini­tion of heresie by them before, Hereticks are men obstinately erring in some fundamentall Couell exā. pag. 202. point: And I argue these: whosoeuer by them­ [...]lues, pretended to agree in all fundamentall, essentiall and materiall things, are yett by them selues often ce [...]ured, denounced and adiuged to bee hereticks, are to bee esteemed for such, and not to bee communicated with in Reli­geous [Page 69] things: But these english protestants by their owne Censures and iudgments are in this condition: Therefore to bee esteemed, and in spirituall communication to bee auoided as hereticks. The maior proposition is euidently true: for as the christian philosopher writeth: Satie firmum argumentum est, &c. That argu­ment Lactant fir­mian. Insti. l. 4. de vera sap. cap. 12. or euidence that is giuen of the enemyes thems [...]lues, is stronge enough to proue the truthe: for noe man will deny that, which both frends and opposites affirme. The minor proposicion, that english protestants by their owne censu­res are hereticks is proued by them in this or­der. D. Willet writeth in these words: prote­stants VVillet apud Parkesp. 20 haue sett a foote straunge nouel [...]ies, & pa­radoxes; vvhirle pilt poynts, bubb [...]s of nevv do­ [...]trine, straunge and vnsounde positions, contrary to the scripture. Therefore by their doctrine, he­reticall; and they bee hereticks, which M. Par­kes Parkes ag. lymb. inpref sup. ep. ded. Ormer. dial. 2. Ormer pict pur. intitul Ormer. dial. 1. speaking of them plainely testifieth in these words: they haue pestilent heresi [...]s. And againe: They are hereticall, and sacriledgeous. M. Orme­rod writeth of these soe well agreing▪ prote­stants in this maner; They are in the compasse of heresie. And againe; They doe resemble the Ana­baptists, condemned hereticks, in aboue soure­score seuerall things. And further these; They ioy­ne sondrie things vvith the pharises, Apostolicks, Aerians, Pepusians, Petrobusians, Florinians, Ce­rinthians, Nazarens, Beguardines, Ebionites, Ca­tababdites, Catherists, Iouinians, &c. All which bee condemned hereticks, both by this mans, & other protestants iudgment. And hee addeth further in these words: there vvas scarce here­sie inuented Ormer. dial. 2. by ol [...] here [...]icks which they haue not [Page 70] ioyned in, reuiue and renevve vvith fre [...]h and nevv colours. Therefore by their owne testi­monie they are hereticks; if hereticks, or noto­rious hereticks bee hereticks.

Againe I argue in this maner; whosoeuer are obstinate in their errors, being such, that strike at mayne points of faith, shake the foundation it selfe, heauen and hell, the diuinitie, humani­tie, and the verie soule, and saluation of Christ, are to bee auoyded as hereticks; But these en­glish agreing protestants, by their owne wri­tings, are such; Therefore to bee auoyded as hereticks. The maior proposition is euidently true. The minor proposition is thus proued by M. Parkes, whoe in his booke dedicated to their late Archbishop of Canterbury D. Ban­croft writeth of these agreing protestants in these words: They are heade stronge, and harde­ned in Parkes [...]pist, dedic. error, they stricke at mayne points of faith, shaking the foundation it selfe, and calling in que­stion heauen and hell, the diuinitie and humanitie, yea the very soule and saluation of our Sauiour himselfe. Therefore hereticks by their owne te­stimonie.

Further I argue thus; whatsoeuer pretended Religion, doth sow swarue from the holy scrip­tures, and Gods commaundments, that it can­not bee kept without breach of them, and is soe notoriously impious, that by those of their owne profession, and accompted godly amonge them, it hath beene accompted to haue noe lawes, noe good order, noe discipline &c. is he­reticall; But the english protestant Religion by their owne confession, is such: Therefore here­ticall, and not to bee communicated with in [Page 71] spirituall things. The maior proposition is ma­nifestly true. And the minor is thus proued by these protestants themselues. The english pro­testant author of the booke named certayne de­maunds, writeth in these words: the protestant Cert. de­maūds An. 1605. p. 42. Ormer pi [...] pur. c. 3. Religion of Englād cannot bee kept without breach o [...] the commaundements. M Ormerod writeth thus: it hath beene conceaued by godly men in for­reyne Contreyes, that the english protestants haue noe lawes, noe good orders, noe discipline, but that euery man may doe what hee list. Therefore if their owne godly brethren in Religion, and by their owne Relation, as he ther reproueth, ha­ue thus con [...]eated of them, it will bee pardona­ble in Catholicks to thinke of them as themsel­ues doe and reporte; and soe wee may not communicate with such hereticks; especially when D. Couell againe writeth the like in this Couell des. of Hooker pag. 24. maner; The begynnings, the proceedings, & the end of them, both in England and Scotland, serue to this end, that order may cease. Therefore they are hereticks.

And to passe ouer this generall state of here­sie, whereof they are thus manifestly conui­cted, by their owne testimonie, I will breefely sett downe, how by their owne confessional­soe, they are guiltie of diuers other particular, and singular heresies, errors, and paradoxes in Religion, suffered, allowed, and maintayned amonge them; and soe consequently for that cause alsoe not to bee communicated with in matters of Religion; some of them bee recor­ded or mayntayned by these protestants. M. Or­merod setteth downe one of their doctrines in Ormer dial. 1. these words; children of hereticks, and of such as [Page 72] by excommunication, are cut from the church, may not bee baptized. By which opinion ioyned with their other protestant doctrines before, the children of all protestants must needs bee dam­ned, because there is noe saluation without ba­ptisme. Their Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson Bilson suru p. 541. 552. writeth these; I doe not finde any scriptures that allowe the Saincts deceas [...]d, the same place of glo­rie, where Christ now is at the right hand of God, in the highest heauens, till the laste day come. Then if noe scriptures teach yt, protestants receauing noe other rule, cannot beleeue yt, and soe by D. Couells sentence; they dissolue that commu­nion Couell ag. Burg. p. 90. of Sainsts, which wee professe to beleeue as an article of Gods truthe. The doctrine of Christs discēt into hell is an article of our Creede, & the protestants censure puritans for heretick; for denying of yt; yett M. Ormerod a professed writer against puritans condemninge them of many heresies teacheth this doctrine; The belee­so Ormer. dial. [...]. Ormer. pa. ganot. pag. of Christ discending into hell, to fetch prisoners t [...]ence, is like the fable of Hercules, greing to hell to setch thence Theseus, Pirothous and Cerberus. Thus hee hath written with publicke applau [...]e and priuiledge, of this Article of our faith. Therefore M. Parkes setteth downe their pro­testants Parkes p. 92 opinion herein in this maner; Christs discent into hell is noe Article of our Creede, but an intruded fable, a patch which some Cobl [...]r, or pat­cher, patched to the Creede; it is against the Analogie of our faith, it ingēdreth many incōueniences, many absurde opinions friuolous fables, and p [...]antasticall visions. The common opinion of protestants in their arguments against transsubstantiation, & Christs reall presence in the blessed sacrament, [Page] of the altar, is that, the true naturall properties of a bodie cannot bee seperated from yt. Yett M. Powell with priuiledge writeth thus: The Powell de Antich pa. 499. bodie of Christ after his resurrection had not the naturall properties of a bodie. Then by thei [...] do­ctrine yt was not a true bodie, and soe noe true resurrection, and that article of our Creede also is publickly denyed: and soe there is noe re­surrection of the bodie, as followeth by S. Pau­les doctrine and reasoning thus, by their owne translation: if Christ bee not risen, thē is our prea­ching 1. Corint. 15 v. 14. 17. 18▪ vayne, and your faith alsoe is vayne, and if Christ bee not raised, your saith is vaine, you are yett in your synnes. And soe they which are a shee­pe in Christ, are perished. And soe there is noe Resurrection, of the bodie noe immortalitie of the soule by this doctrine, for a thinge peri­shed is not, but hath ceased to bee. Therefore M. Parkes writeth of these protestant as before: they strike at mayne points of saith shaking the Parkes. epi. dedic. foundation it self [...], and calling in que [...]tion heauen and hell, the diuinitie and humanitie yea the verie soule and saluation of our sauiour himselfe. And to make it apparant that they generally giue way to all infidelitie; The same M. Powell hi­ghely commended by D. Sutcliffe, writeth thus, with publicke approbation; it is noe more cer­taine Powell pref. l. de Antic [...]. that God is in heauen, Crea [...]or of visible & inuisible things, and Iesus Christ the tru [...] m [...]ss [...], then that the pope of Rome is the greate Antichrist and the papall church the synagoge of Antichrist. But I haue made euident demonstration befo­re, by their owne testimonies, that it is soe far from truth, or apparance thereof, that the pope is Antichrist, or the papall church his Sinagoge, [Page 74] that they haue proued that church to bee the true church of Christ, and the Pope to bee the true lawfull vicar of Christ, supreame heade of his holy catholicke Church, on earth; and to whome all Christians in the worlde doe owe obedience in religeous busines. Therefore the­se protestants by their owne published and pri­uiledged writing haue denyed God; And Christ Iesus is not the true Messias by their doctrine. Then noe meruayle though D. Feild D. Willet Feild l. 3. e 3 p. 139. will Antil. p. 13. Po [...]ell l de Artichrist. p. 494 &c. apud parkes pa. sect. 23. M. Powell and others deny the virginitie of our ladie (for shame I omitt their vnseemely word [...]) and others write: Dauid is still in hell to this day: when they teach that Christ delyue­red none from thence, neither is the Messias. Yett other protestants sette all men at libertie, to beleeue, and lyue as they list, to bee turkes, Iewes, pagans, or whatsoeuer, for they shall all bee saued, not withstanding by Christ whome they haue these dishonored and denyed; The words of the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey, &c. bee these; The english pro­testants Suru. of cō. B pa. 119. teache that Christ hath actually and ef­fectually redeemed all men whatsoeuer. Therefo­re by them all men turkes, Iewes, pagans, &c. must needs bee saued; because an act, and effect acted and effected, cannot bee vnacted or vnef­fected. M. Wotton seing how other protestants had ouerthrowne the: lawe and Religion of Christ, laboureth for himselfe likewise to eua­cuate the promise to Abraham, and the lawe of Moyses, and leaue all mankinde in originall syn contracted from Adam and writeth thus; Circumcision was not prouided for remedie of ori­ginall Wottō def. of perk. pag. 447. sinne, any more then for actuall, neither did [Page 75] it remedie the one or the other. The like heresies, and detestable errors publickly printed, and priuiledged amonge them, as alsoe their Au­thors, and mayntayners are too many to bee alleadged, therefore to giue some coniecture of the rest I will propose one Doctor and Profes­sor of diuinitie in their church, a man highly commended in protestants iudgment, whoe to omitt all other his bookes and erroneous pla­ces in them, in one onely place of his publickly warranted and priuiledged Antilogie. This professor Doctor Willet writeth thus: Tyn­dalls Willet An­til. pag. 203 opiniōs are sounde & good dostrine as hee pro­pou [...]ded them, and M. Foxe maintaineth them. So­me of them as they were propounded by Tyn­dall Foxe to, 2. mon. in Tyndall first edition. and maintayned by Foxe doe followe in these words: The lawe maketh vs to hate God. It is vnpossible for vs to consent to the will of God. The lawe requireth vnpossible thinges of vs. Speaking of mā he speaketh thus: Christ is in thee, & thou in him, knitt together vnseperably, neither cast thou bee dāned, except Christ be dāned with thee: neither can Christ bee saued, except thou bee saued with him. Euery man is Lord of other mens goods. I am bounde to loue the Turke with all my might, and power, yea and aboue my power. There is noe worke better then an other, to please God, to make wa­ter, to was he dishes, to bee a Sowter, or an Apostle all is one, to washe dishes, and to preache is all one touching the deed to please God. To worshipp God otherwise, then to beleeue that hee is Iust, and true in his promises is to make God an I d [...]ll God moued the hartes of the Egiptians to hate the people, like­wise hee moued kings. Paule was of higher Autho­ritie then Peter. Yf S. Paule were alyue I would [Page 76] compare my selfe to S. Paule, and bee as good as hee. The children of faithe are vnder noe lawe. God bindeth vs to that which is vnpossible for vs to ac­complishe▪ synne cannot condemne vs. Soe longe as the Successors of the Apostles were persecuted, and martyred, there were good christian men, and noe longer. All these and other such damnable posi­tions are mayntayned in one place of this pro­testant Doctors booke dedicated to his maie­stie, appoynted to bee written by their Arch­bishop D. Bancroft, and published with com­mon priuiledge. Wherevppon, and from such like proceedings the protestant Author of the booke named Aduertisement, speaking of the errors of this their english protestant Religion, writeth thus: Millions of millions runne to eter­nall flames. Christianitie is denyed in England by Aduertise­m [...]t. An. 1604. publicke Authoritie. Of other their heresies, hel­lish errors, and damnable deuises, against the authoritie Reg [...]ll, and cyuill power of Princes▪ and such morall affaires, I will entreate hereaf­ter, in the meane time I add these protestant positions, registred by M. Ormerod in these Ormerod. dial. 1. wordes: All synnes are equall it is as greate a syn­ne, to doe any seruile worke vppon the sabboth day, as to doe murther, and committ adultery, it is as greate a synne, to throwe a boul [...] on the sabboath day, as to kill a man. It is as greate a syn to kill a mans cocke, as to kill his Seruant.

Their Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson set­teth Bilsō Suru. pag. 467. downe other their straunge errors in this maner: the protestants cleare not Christ from synne, it was rife in the pulpitts, and vsuall in Ca­techismes, that the death of Christ Iesus on the Bils. pr [...]f. sup. crosse, and his blood sh [...]dd for the remission of our [Page 77] syns, were the leaste cause, and meane of our Re­demption. And reciting further these protestants p. 466. 474. & def. pag. 126 122. Bilson sup. pa. 490 def. p. 134. Bils. p. 496. 486. def pa. 131. 136 Bils. p. 497. 503. def. pa. 137. 138. Bils. p. 515. def. pa. 141. Bils. p. 517. def. pag. 142. Parkes epis. dedicat. & pag. 139. & sect. 20. Povvell l. de diaphor. ep. d [...]icat. Parkes apol. epist. dedic. doctrines, thus relateth them: Christs will was contrary to Gods will. Christ in his agonie knevv not Gods will. Christ was forsaken both in bodie & soule. Christ suffered hell Torments. Christ suffered the paynes of hell▪ Christ suffered the death of the soule. the death of the soule is such paynes and sufferings of Gods wrathe, as allwayes accompanie them that are seperated from the grace and loue of God. God did forsake Christ. Thus our most blessed Sauiour, Redeemer of mankinde, & consequen­tly, both Christians, and all mankinde is dam­ned with him by these blasphemous protestāts. M. Parkes hath told vs that: the parson of Christ is prophanely & irreligeously spoken of, the scriptu­re is falsefyed to fastē blasphemie vpon Christ, hea­uen & hell, the diuinity & humanity, yea the verie soule and saluation of Christ our Sauiour himsel­fe, is called in questiō. M. Powell hath published with publicke allowāce in his booke printed by Robert Barker the kings printer, this doctrine: To holde that Christ was a lawe maker is an inso­lent pseudographema false scripture. M. Parkes againe complaineth thus: The Creede it selfe which hath allwayes beene the verie badge and Cognizance, vvhereby to discerne and know the faithfull from vnbeleeuers, Christians from hea­thens, and Catholicks from hereticks, is the mayne point in questiō. Which is cōfirmed by their Bi­shop Barlowe in his sermon before the kinge Barl: [...]erm. septem. 21▪ An 1606. in these wordes: The whelps of those beasts are multiplied vvith vs in England, of which S. Paule speaketh (1. Cor. 15. 32.) vvhich made a lest of the soules immortaliti [...], and the bodies resurrestion. [Page 78] Therefore seing these bee the moste materiall, D. George Abb. a­gainst D. Hill p. 101. essentiall and fundamentall points in Religion: and their present protestant Archbishop hath peremptorily told vs.: protestants and puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance, wee all ioyne in all materiall points of saluation, and noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary. And Povvell ag. epis. apol. pag. 52. M. Powell saith: Hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall points: they are all guiltie of these heresies.

The 7. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust recusancie, is: Because En­glish protestants by their owne writings are Scismaticks.

FVRTHER, that these english protestants are Scismaticks, and soe by that title alsoe, not to bee communicated with in spirituall things, is manifest, by that which is written be­fore; and more directly in this order followin­ge. Noe Scismaticks are to bee communicated with in Religeous matters: But the protestants of England by their owne testimonies, are Sci­smaticks: Therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines. The maior proposition is euidently true, and before graunted by these protestans, for this time I will therefore onely cite their Bishop, of Peterborough D. Doue his words bee these. This proposition, noe here­ticks nor Scismaticks are to bee communicated Doue per­suas pag. withall, is vndoubtedly true, because it is grounded [Page 79] vppon scripture, &c. The minor proposition, that english protestants bee Scismaticks, is pro­ued by this their owne definition of Scisme, published by D. Feild in this maner: Scisme is a Feild l. 3. c. 5. pa. 70. breache of the vnitie of the churche, the vnitie of the church consisteth in three things. First the sub­iection of the people to their lawfull pastors. Secon­dly the connexion and communion wich many par­ticular churches, and the pastors of them haue amonge themselues: Thirdly in holdinge the same Rule of faith Then, if Scisme is a breache of the vnitie of the church, and this vnitie con­sisteth in three things, and soe by brea­kinge any of them, Scisme is contracted; if I shall but onely proue, they haue broken this vnitie in one, they are proued Scismaticks by their owne proceedings. But to proue them to bee in the highest degree of Scisme, I will ma­ke demonstration, that they are guiltie in brea­kinge all these vnities. And first concerninge their first vnitie of subiection to lawfull Pastors: I argue thus. At the begynning of protestancie either the pastors of the Romane church na­mely the Pope, when they reuolted from him were true pastors or not▪ if they were not, then their pretended ordination and Episcopalitie from thence is voyde, if they were their true pastors, then they are Scismaticks for their re­uolt and disobedience vnto him.

Secondly I proue yt thus: euery church not clayminge to bee supreame, the superior, mo­ther, or commaunding church, and yett sub­mitting yt selfe and obedient vnto none, is scismaticall: for not to obey a lawfull superior Pastor, is scisme, and their Bishop Barlowe [Page 80] hath told vs before, that maioritie of Bishops is Barl. serm. Sept. 21. 1606. an apostolicall tradition, in all the vvorlde, ena­cted for succedinge posteritie, a canon or constitu­tion of the vvhole Trinitie: Therefore the en­glish protestant church neuer clayminge this maioritie aboue others, and yett obstinately repugnant and disobedient to that, which euer had this Maioritie, which as is proued by them before is the Romane church, must needs bee scismaticall.

Thirdly D. Feild and these his protestants Feild l. 4. [...]. 5 p 202. haue assured vs: That amonge those different de­grees of obedience, which wee must yeeld to them, that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God, wee must more especially respest the church of Rome▪ then Catholicke Doctors, the authoritie of catholicke Bishops, or other churches though apo [...]olicke. Therefore the english protestants soe willfully and maliciously disobedient and contumelious vnto yt, are Scismaticks by their owne iudgment.

Secondly concerning his second vnitie, who­se breach maketh Scisme, and is as hee saith, The connexion and Communion vvhich many par­ticular Feild l. 3. pag 70. sup. churches and pastors of t [...]m▪ haue among [...] themselues: The english protestants haue not communion, or connexion with any either true or pretended churche in the worlde, in their cheefest poynts of connexion, communion, or coordination, as namely in their pretended Bi­shops, and the manner of making them, in Ru­linge their congregation, in the temporall prin­ces supreamacie, &c. Therefore by breach of this vnitie alsoe they are Scismaticks, by their owne Rule. For Confirmation whereof D. Co­uell [Page 81] setteth downe the doctrine of other pro­testant churches in these words: there is no [...] Couell def. of Hook pa. 33. church where the gouernment by elders, or presby­tery wanteth, this being as essentiall as either the Worde or sacraments. And the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey writeth thus: The Suru. of comm B. pag. 24. english churches differ from all other reformed churches▪ That they differ from the Romane and all other churches they willingly acknow­ledge, therefore they are Scismaticks by their owne Censure. For here wee see, that there is noe true and reall connexion and communion of the english protestant congregation or pre­tended Pastors, Bishops or ministerie with any either true or pretended church, catholicke or protestant, reformed or not reformed pastors, presbyterie, or whatsoeuer they will terme them, in all the world. And by this alsoe it is euident that they are Scismaticks by breakinge the third protestant vnitie, In holdinge the same Rule of faith: for these english protestants agreing with noe other church, true or false in the Rule of faith as before, must needs be Sci­smaticks alsoe by this title And soe moste no­torious in this offence of scisme, hauinge ob­stinately dissolued all christian vnities, by their owne confession.

Further I argue thus: whosoeuer by mayn­tayninge their sect or faction in Religion, are forced to such absurdities, that by the testimo­nies of their owne Brethren in Religion, they make themselues and all of their doctrine to bee Scismaticks, are to bee esteemed such: But the english protestants are in this case: there­fore Scismaticks by their owne sentence. The [Page] maior proposition is euident: And▪ the minor alsoe proued by them before: and now breefely in this maner: The protestant authors of the offer of Conference, supposing that the english parlament protestants will defend their pro­ceedings as they doe▪ write in these words: They cannot see how possibly, by the Rules of diui­nitie, Offer of Conference pag. 11. t [...]e seperation of our churches from the church of Rome, and from the Pope supreame hea­de thereof can bee iustified. Then by their owne Rules before, they are scismaticks which the same protestants protest expressely in this ma­ner. They protest to all the world that the Pope and the c [...]urch of Rome, and in them God and Christ sup pag. 16. Iesus himsel [...]e, haue had greate wronge and indig­nitie offered vnto them; and that all the protestant churches are scismatic [...]ll in [...]orsakinge vnitie and communion with them. Which is further con­firmed by an other of their reformed brethren though writinge somewhat later then my sixe yeares limitation, whoe speaketh in this order: As wee haue saide vnto you called Brounists, soe Declaratiō of the mi­sterie of ini­quitie An. 1612. pag. 156. wee say to England, and to the presbytery holdinge of the Pope and that profession as you do [...]; Then haue you of England and all the nations of the ear­the synned gr [...]ately to seperate from Rome, in that you were all of one bodie, and members one of an other, and being bele [...]uers in Christ Iesus, they are your brethren, and ought not to seperate from Ro­me as you haue done. If you of England and the presbyterie and you called Brouni [...]s did make any conscience to walke by the Rules of Christs [...]erein, you [...]ould not wal [...]e towards Rome as you doe.

Againe I argue in this maner: whosoeuer are, [...]ither by themselues, or others that bee in [Page 83] their opinion learned, and consenting with them, in all essentiall and materiall points, con­demned and censured to bee Scismaticks, are to bee adiudged, and auoyded as such, in spiri­tuall communications; But these english prote­stants both parlamentaries and puritanes are in this state; Therefore to bee as such adiudged and forsaken in Religeous communications. The maior is euidently true; because to bee in Scisme which excludeth forth of the true church, out of which by these protestants befo­re, there is noe hope of saluation, is a point both materiall and essentiall in Religion. The minor proposition is proued by these protestants, and puritanes, mutually condemning themselues, & their essentially agreing brethren, to bee scis­maticks. First their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft, then of London, in their publick Conference before the kinge cal­leth them scismaticks; yt is thus recorded for action, by their Bishop Barlowe, in these wor­des: Cōferēce at Hampton Court p. 26. The Bishop of London kneelinge downe, moste humbly desired his maiestie, that the auntient Canon might bee remembred, which saith that Scismatici contra Episcopos, non sunt audiendi. Scismaticks are not to bee hard against Bishops. M. Ormerod speaketh of them in this maner: Ormer. dial. 2. They pe [...]seuer in inueterate and olde Scisme, which by the auntient fathers and protestants alsoe ma­keth heresie. Therefore protestants are both scismaticks and hereticks. M. Powell himselfe Povvell cons pa 11. 16 19. pag. 25. 35. 48. 52. a puritane writeth thus of them: They are Scismaticall, they are in scisme, th [...]r ca [...]e is [...]ismati­call, they haue p [...]anaticall giddin [...]s, Sci [...]mes, fa­ctions and innouation, th [...] are so [...]ers [...]f s [...]di [...]ion. [Page 84] scisme and faction, they are scismaticks, they are guiltie of scisme M▪ Parkes calleth them Scis­maticall, hereticall and sacriledgeous, they are Parkes Apol [...]pist. ded. headstronge in Scisme and hardened in error. How the puritane protestants, vppon the groundes of our english protestants haue con­demned all protestāt churches to be scismatical against the church and Pope of Rome, is rela­ted before, and the protestant author of the Cert. consid An. 1565. [...]p. dedicat. booke named certaine considerations, giueth this testimonie: The protestants of England syn against God in their proceedings, their Religion is sed [...]tious, a sect, Scisme, it is much like to an euill herbe or vve [...]de, vvhich if it bee not speedely roo­ted vp, but suffered to spreade, vvill soone ouer­spreade the gardons of God vvit [...] vice, and impie­tie, as there will scarce be [...] any roume left for ver­tue and pietie. And D. Couell a man of best tem­per in writing amonge them, speaketh thus of Couell ex [...]. pag. 139. their english protestants; The scismes and diui­sions amongst vs haue made a number renounce their office. Then if the protestant Ministers themselues haue thus obserued themselues to bee in Scismes, and therevppon renoun­ced their office and communion, Catholick [...] may not now begyn to communicate with them, thus by themselues condemned for Scis­maticks.

The 8. particular protestant demonstration, for Catholicks iust Recusancie, is: Because the publicke protestant Seruice, at which they refuse to bee present, and communicate in, is false, hereticall, iustely condemned and dam­nable by their owne doctrine.

NOw to come to their pretēded church ser­uice it selfe, at which, because Catholicks moste iustely as before, refuse to bee present, and for such Recusancie or Refusall, are moste vniustly and aboue the measure of punishment of the greatest and notorious syns, excepting treasons and matters of state, punished and af­flicted, being conteyned in that their soe called Communion Booke or Booke of common prayers, I argue thus. Noe man may com­municate with Hereticks and Scismaticks, especiallie in prayers and publicke serui­ce, not onely inuented and vsed, without the allowance of the true and lawfull pastors, but directly opposite and repugnant to the hi­ghest spirituall authoritle, and iurisdiction: But the english protestants by their owne testimo­nies before, are in this case: Therefore not to bee communicated with in such prayers and seruice.

Secondly I argue thus: noe new deuised or­der of prayer deuised by, consortinge vnto, and in it selfe conteyninge and approuinge a Reli­gion contrary to holy scriprures, both the writ­ten [Page 86] and vnwritten word of God, generall Councells, decrees and doctrine of the prima­tiue Popes, and fathers, and to all churches of Christendome, both present, and heretofore, derogatorie both to the triumphant, militant, and patient church of Christ, where [...]ll sacra­ments and instruments of grace either are ab­solutely denyed, o [...] soe vnduely and prophane­ly vsed, that all gr [...]ce by them is taken away from the lyuinge, from them that die, from Cleargie, from laitie, for the maried, vnmaryed, olde, younge, Ritch and pore, and where there is not true ministery, nor church to haue any hope of saluation in, may bee communicated withall, especially if these moste greuous and enormeous absurdities and inconueniences bee proued and made apparant by the cheife pro­fessors themselues of such a supposed Religion: But the lamentable case and condition of the­se english protestants as is demonstratiuely proued by them befor, is such, as is her recited: Therfore their seruice not to be communicated with, vnder moste damnable and desperate syn.

Thirdly I argue in this maner: whatsoeuer seruyce, rite of sacraments, or fashion of prayer was condemned by the best learned protestants of England, Scotland, Fraunce, &c. to bee foo­lish trifelinge, and by reason apparant, to bee disallowed, and yett was deuised, and allowed by the onely authoritie of an vnlearned childe, kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth a wo­man, not onely repugnant vnto the publicke approued office of our mother and commaun­dinge church, the church of Rome, but diffe­rent from the custome of all protestant chur­ches, [Page 87] may not bee communicated withall: But the english protestant Seruice and booke of common prayer is such, by these protestants themselues: Therfore by them not to bee com­municated with. The maior proposition is euidently true: for the seruice that should bee soe receaued by any particular and not com­maunding church (as the english is not, against) the vse, order, and doctrine of all other chur­ches, true or pretended, must needs bee both scismaticall, and hereticall. The minor propo­sition is thus proued: first that the english pro­testant seruice is repugnant vnto the publicke seruice of the latine, greeke, Armenian & other auntient churches, it is euident by their litur­gies, Masses, litanies, &c. conteining the doctri­nes Miss S. Ia­cobi Chris [...] ▪ Basil. Aethiopum Mussarob. Gregor. &c Couell a­gainst Burg pag. 69. of transsubstantiation, prayer to Saints, for the deade, &c. how it differeth from other pro­testant churches, and was condemned by the best learned protestants of them, is thus pro­ued by protestants them selues. First D. Couell writeth in these words: The protestant Bishop of London Ridley (a cheefe martyr with M. Foxe) wrote vnto M. Grindall (after their pro­testant Ar [...]hbishop of Canterbury, that a man of wit [...] and learninge may finde to make apparant reasons against the booke of common prayer. Then I may first conclude that this their pseudomar­tyr, practizing that Booke and seruice against witt and learninge, was either vnlearned and wittles, or without Religion, grace and cons­cience, or both, as others succeding vnto him bee by his Censure, and such Booke and seruice not to bee communicated with. And to shew that this opinion of their Bishop Ridley, was [Page 88] not singular but common amonge those first protestants, he writeth thus in another treatise: The first protestants of this kingdome in a letter Couell [...]xā. pag. 72. subscribed with eleuen of their hands, whereof Knoxe Gilby, Whittingam, & Goodman were fou­re, moste of them suerly hauing both learninge, & iudgment, call the english protestant Ceremonies, trifles and superfluous Ceremonies. From whence I first conclude, that their seruice soe censured with soe many learned and iudicious men, as this protestant esteemeth them, may not bee commun [...]cated with. Secondly I conclude this their protestant Religion and seruice to bee new against all former churches and ages and soe hereticall. For hee calleth those Censurers of the communion Booke first deuised vnder kinge Edward 6. The first protestants of this king­dome. Therefore this their religion neuer main­tayned, or taught before, is new and hereticall. For Scotland this protestant Doctor hath told vs before, that Knoxe their cheife protestant disallowed this their seruice: which hee testi­fieth alsoe in his booke against Burges in these words: Knoxe disallovved the communion booke. Conell a­gainst Burg pag. 69. And the same of Knoxe was soe highely applau­ded with protestants; That D. Sutcliffe hath tolde vs before, that their Brethren in Scotland had imposition of hands from Knoxe: therefore Knoxe not being a B [...]shop must needs bee an Apostle extraordinarie, or greater in his iudg­ment. For France and Suitcerland Caluine and Bucer are renowned amonge protestants, and Couell sup. pa. 69. 122. pag 47. yett the same protestant Doctor writeth thus: Bucer Censured the communion booke. Caluine censured the communion booke, to conteyne many [Page 89] fooleries. And in an other booke in this maner: Examinat. pag. 185. Caluiue, Whoe was in maner of an Oracle of God to all churches that were reformed, gaue this Cen­sure of the englis [...] communion booke, translated into latine, to haue his iudgment of it, that many foolish things Were in yt, not that puritie which was to bee desired, vvas to bee filed from the rust, corrected and many things cleane taken avvay. For Germanie the protestant Author of the Re­lation of the state of religion hath these words: The princes and people in Germanie haue Calui­nists Relation of Relig. [...]. 45. in greate detestation, not for bearing to pro­fesse openly, they vvill returne to the papacie, ra­ther then euer admitt that sacramētarie & prede­stinarie pestilence. Therefore Catholicks may not communicate with their country protestants, in their english seruice soe generally condem­ned, both by themselues, and all forreyne pro­testants. Againe I argue thus.

Noe seruice, or fashion of prayer, and Sacra­ments, that is by the practizers of them, and those which in their Iudgmēt agree with them, in all materiall points, condemned to haue grosse errors, manifest impieties, grosse and palpable repugnancie, euen in necessarie and essentiall points of Religion, misapplyeth scrip­tures to countenance errors, is naught and may bee communicated with: But the english protestant seruice, and Booke thereof, is such: therefore not to bee communicated with. The maior proposition is euidently true: And the minor is thus proued by these protestants. M. Ormerod recordeth the Censure of english protestants vppon it, in these words: The booke Ormerod dial. 1. of common prayers and the vvhole order of prote­stants [Page 90] seruice, is cōdemned. And to shew that they which thus censured it, were allowed tea­ [...]hers, and preachers amonge them, hee addeth Ormer pict purit. d 3. thus in an other book: preachers in their verball serm [...]n [...] speake against the state ecclesiasticall, t [...]e [...]ooke of common prayer, and the Ceremonies of the church of England. D. Couell [...]e [...]eth Couell exā pag 179. thei [...] s [...]e [...]ce thus: The communion book [...] is boldely despised grosse [...]rrors and manifest impie­ties are in the communion booke. The protestant author of Certaine Co [...]sid [...]rations, writeth in this maner: The protestant communion booke Cert Consi­der. An 1605. p▪ 10 11. 12. 13. 17 Suru. pag. 20. 24. an [...] seruice is naught, it hath grosse and palpable repugnancie in yt. An other protestant writeth thus. The communion Booke of England is not agreable to the word of God▪ in many things. The communion booke as it hath ministred matter of contention, fro [...] the first hatchinge of yt: Soe it vvill euer bee the fuell of that fyer. An other Abbridgm. of luic. dioc. pag. 15. pag. 17. speaketh thus: [...]he booke of common prayer misapplyeth sondrie places of scripture, and that to the mayntayninge of vnsound doctrine. The booke of common prayer contayneth, in yt sondry things, besids them handled in the abbridgment (beeing ver [...] many) that are contrarie to the vvord pag. 73. of God, it appointeth sondrie things, that tend di­rectly to the prophanation of the holy sacraments, either [...]y prostituting them to vnvvorthie parsons, or administring them vnreuereantly, i [...] auou­cheth sondrie manifest and apparant vntruthes. pag. 74. it appointeth sondrie things, that bringe greate disorder, and confusion vnto the vvorship of God. pag. 75. It conteynes sondrie things, that are ridiculous, and absurde, and [...]uch as noe [...]reasonable sence can bee made of▪ it conteyns in yt s [...]ndrie euide [...]t con­tradictions. [Page 91] And to giue instance in the publicke preachers of london it selfe: Twoe and tuentie of them haue ioyned together in this Censure of this their seruice & published it in printin thes words: Many things in the communion booke are Petit. of 2 [...]. preachers of London. repugnant to the word of God. In the communion booke there bee things, of which there is noe reaso­nable sence, there is contradiction in yt, euen in ne­cessarie and essentiall points of Religion, it contey­neth vntruthes in saith▪ the Holy scripture is dis­graced in yt▪ it entoyneth vnlawfull Ceremontes. conteyneth corrupt translations of holy scriptures, misapplyeth places of holy scriptures to the counte­nance of errors. Therfore not to bee communi­cated with.

The 9. particular protestant demonstration, is: Because these protestants by their owne testimonies, and published writings, are manifest and knowne dissemblers, willfull de­ceauers seducers, lyere and periured, in mat­ters of Religion.

CONCERNINGE the Religeous beha­uiour and maner of life, and conuersation of these men, doctors, preachers, and practisers of this new Religion, I argue thus: Noe men that are manifestly detected, dissemblers, periu­red, foreswearens, lyars, and knowne deceauers in matters of Religion, euen by the confession of themselues, and their essentially agreinge frends, are not to bee imitated in Religion, but [Page 92] vtterly to bee auoided in such Communica­tions: But the english protestant preachers and teachers of Religion, are in this condition: Therefore not to bee followed, but auoided in spirituall communications. The maior pro­position is euidently true: for of all people ma­nifest lyers, forswearers, and dissemblers with God▪ and man, are most to bee discredited, and reiected in conuersation, especially in religeous things.

The minor proposition is thus proued, by these protestants. The protes [...]ant author of the relation of Religion, a man of greate creditt and [...]thoritie in their church, writeth thus: prote­stant Relation of R [...]ligion cap. 32. writers in Relation of things haue abused this present age, and preiudiced posteritie. Lou [...] and dislike hath s [...]e d [...]zeled their eyes, that they cannot bee beleeued. M. O [...]merod hath these word [...]: It is true indeed, there are [...]arebraynd, in­constant, Ormer. pa­gan. pag. [...]. 57. and sickle headed, amonge protes [...]an [...], that are much like vnto [...]kebolius t [...]e Sophist of Constantinople, who [...] before Iulian was emperour, caried [...]imselfe as an earnest Christian; vn­der Iulian hee became an Apostata, and a bagan [...] a [...]d after Iulian, he woulde bee a christian againe. And su [...]h were their cheifest and prime prote­stants themselues, as their Archbishop Cran­me [...] befo [...]e oweinge all dutie and obedience to God, twi [...]e swearing yt to the pope; to kinge Henry 8 kinge Edward 6, Queene Mary, of di­uers Religeons, and yett hee was an hereticke to God and his church, and a periured wretch to all those princes, as before is manifest, and soe of others. The same is confirmed to bee alsoe agreable to the behauiour of their do­ctors [Page 93] in this time, of whome the same prote­stant Ormer. pict purit. l. 1. author writeth in this order; They will make as solemne protestations, as any men can doe, and by oathe deny that vvhich they doe you shall neuer finde vvith any high land, or border theeues, more lyes, and vile periuries, then vvith these, though they protest and by oathe denie, yett s [...]or­tely after, vvee shall see it come to passe. The pro­testant author of the booke intituled offer of Offer of Cōfer. pa. 9 Conference writeth of the parlamentarie pro­testants shewing therein the reasons of their notorious lying, and dissemblinge, in Religion, in these words; some standinge vppon these points of difference, not for conscience, but for carnall respects, some because othervvise they knovve not hovv to bee mayntayned, but by depending vppon that faction, some to gratifie their benefactors and patrons and to please their frends, some for discon­tentment, & vvant of preferment, some for giddi­nes of innouation, some for pride of hart, and selfe loue, some for hatred of order, and restraint of their libertie, some for ignorance, some to retayne the opinion of constancie. And to shewe that by their owne iudgment this prophane hipocrisie, dissimulation &c is generall in their Religion, Couell exā. pag. 179. Parkes Apol praef. D Couell writeth in this maner: Atheisme and hipocrisie is in all states in this kingdome. M. Par­kes hath this Censure; heresie and infidelitie ioy­ne and labour to subuert all grounds of Christian Religion. Their late protestant Bishop D. Ba­bington in the publicke Conference at Hamp­ton Conference pag. 14. 15. Co [...]rt, sheweth how in the begynning pro­testancie was approued in their parlament by ambiguous and indirect dealing of the compo­sers of their communion booke, and citeth the [Page 94] Archbishop of yorke to that purpose. What dealinge was vsed therein may appeare alsoe by soe generall a dislike of protestants against it as is befor proued, whervpon D Couell writeth thus: The first english Ministers soe farr dissented, Couell exā. pag. 71. that some bookes, and the greatest part of Christen­dome was filled with the [...]rreuerent, vnholy, and vnnaturall Contentions of that time. Their beha­uiour in other Contryes was not vnlike, onely I will exemplifie in Scotland, of which his ma­iestie in the Conference at Hampton Court re­lateth thus: M. Knoxe Writes to the Queene Re­gent K speache in Cofe. pa. 80. 81. 82. (of whome without slattery I may say, shee vvas a vertuous and moderate lady) telling her that [...]hee vvas supreame heade of the church. But hovv longe trovve yee, did this continue? euen soe longe till by her authoritie, the popish Bishops we­re repressed. Hee himselfe and his adherents were brought in and well setled, and by these meanes made stronge enough. Then loe they began to make small account of her Supreamacie, nor would lon­ger rest vpon her authoritie, but tooke the cau [...]e into their ovvne hands. Hovv they vsed that pore lady my Mother is not vnknowne, vvhoe did desire onely, a priuate Chappell, vvherein to serue God, after her maner, vvith some fevv selected parsons: but her supreamacie vvas not sufficient to obtaine yt, at their hands. And concerning the same Question of princes supreamacie in England, soe enacted by their parlaments, to sett them in possession, yett that now at this present, neither parlamentarie nor puritane protestant, in their writings allowe yt, but clayme it to themsel­ues, I will proue by themselues hereafter. And the reason of this their proceedings, procedeth [Page 95] from the state of their desolate cause: for in the beginninge of this their protestant Religion, hauing noe other meanes to giue Colour to a new pretended Ministery, then by the tempo­rall princes supreamacie and power in spirituall things, all true religeous preeminencie iurisdi­ction and authoritie being abandoned forth of this nation, by their parlaments edicts against the Apostolicke see of Rome, and Christs c [...] ­tholicke church, they were content against the example of all their pretended reformed chur­ches because they could not settle yt themsel­ues, for that present to allowe yt to the tempo­rall Prince: But now settled in possession they pretend a Consecration againe from Rome which they had thus renownced before, & say Confer sup Barl. Serm. sup. Cert. considerat. An. 1605. pag. 46. they are diuinae ordinationis, by the ordinance of God; where vppon the protestant Author of certaine Considerations, doth argue and consi­der thus; if the english protestants opinion bee mayntayned, that Bishops iurisdiction, is de Iure diuini, by the lawe of God, his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication. pag. 54. sup. And againe in these wordes; protestant Bishops themselues doe not attribute any more spirituall authotitie vnto the kinge, to make, constitute and ordeyne Canons, Constitutions, Rites or Ceremo­nies, then they giue vnto him, spirituall po [...]er to preache the worde, administer the sacram [...]ntt, and excommunicate. Which as is euident, is none at all. And yett at this present (to omitt others) those protestant Bishops of this kingdome, which moste sway, and not onely in spiri [...]uall things, are knowne to bee both by their edu­cation and writings, of that protestant sect and [Page 96] opinion which before hath told vs, that their Bishops and soe consequently themselues, are vnlawfull, against Gods Worde, hell houndes▪ na­turall sonnes of sathan, false, bastardly gouernors, enemyes to God, to the kinge, and to his people, euen in their very callinges and offices. How these men haue behaued themselues in the Que­stions betweene Catholicks and them, may ap­peare sufficiently in the first and second gene­rall demonstration, where not onely they gene­rall groundes of diuinitie, but all particular cheife controuersies of this time, are demon­stratiuely proued against them, by their owne writings, published, printed, or allowed with [...]n the first sixe yeares of his maiesties [...]aigne. how the puritane protestants haue delt with their Bishops, partely appeareth before: how their Bishops walke towards them, and one to an other, is euident in that either condem­neth other to bee Scismaticks hereticks, in [...]dolls, Offer of Cō ­fer pag. 9. damned, &c. The protestant offer of Confer [...]n­ce writeth thus: It is notorious vnto all the [...]orl­de, what indignities, slaunders, false accusations and calumniations, the prelates and their ad [...]e­rents, in their priuate speaches, publicke sermons and writings, lay vppon the ministers. I will cite one example moste conceruinge them bothe, Cōferēce at H [...]mpt Cou [...]t. by D. [...]arlo [...]e 3. other Co­pies printed by Wind. [...] [...]fer. pag. 28, 29, their Conference at Hampton Court, before the kinge, and Lords▪ Their protestant Bishop of Lincolne, D. Barlowe relateth it, wholly for their Bishops: Three other Copyes printed by Ihon Winde [...] and diuers others, relate yt for the puritanes. Besides the testimonie of their Bishop D. Montague thus cited by the prote­testant offer of Conference. It [...] more then ap­parant, [Page 97] that they haue fraudul [...]ntly cut of, and concealed all the speaches, which were many t [...]at his maiestie vttered against the corruptions of our church, and practise of the prelates, as appea­reth by the testimonie of the deane of the Chapell. And yett his cunninge hath serued him, and his Conscience suffereth him, to bee a greate Bi­shop Offer sup. pag. 29. D. G. Ab­bot ag. Hill. p. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236, 237. Povvell ag. Apol. epi [...]. pa. 52 &c. 48. Doue per­suas pa. 32 Su [...]cl. a­gainst kell▪ pag 42. Middleton pap. pa. 201 Will Antil pa 15. p 20 [...]ovvell [...]ō ­sider pa 17. Wott [...] d [...]f. of Perk. p. 28. Feild pag. 170. Morton satisf p 18. Abridgm. pag. 39. amonge them. And thus it further fol­loweth in that protestant Author: Noe hon [...]stie was vsed in that Relation. it seemes by the whole manadgenge of yt, that it vvas vnder [...]and plotted and procured by the prelates themselues; abusing therein his ma [...]estie, and vsinge M. Galloway as an instrument in the matter, to the end that they might haue the more colour for their intended proceedinge.

Wee haue hard before, how constantly and vniformely both their Bishops parlamentarie and puritane protestants, haue written, that they all agree in all materiall and substantiall points: and as their Archbishop of Canterbury absolutely affirmeth noe Goliath against t [...]em, can proue the contrary; And an other hath with publicke priuiledge these words; none but Pa­pists affirme t [...]at [...]rotestants and puritan [...]s differ in substantiall points of f [...]the [...], and hee lyeth which saith t [...]ey differ in subsiautiall [...]oints. And such is the common and generall assertion both of the parlamen [...]arie and puritane protestants as is euident before and may appeare by these their Citations and others to many to bee rela­ted; w [...]en they write against Catholicks char­ging them with their diuers & intollerable es­sentiall, materiall and fundamentall differences in Religion.

But when they dispute, or write against themselues: then if to bee hereticks, is to differ in a materiall fundamentall, or essentiall point, as they write in these words; Hereticks are nei­ther simple, infidells nor idolaters, but obstinately [...]rring in some fundament all point. Protestants and puritans doe thus differ, for either hath condemned others befor for Hereticks; Ther­fore to affirme it is not a lye. B [...]t they which both affirme and deny it, to serue their vse, and delude their readers, are prophane lyers and dissemblers in Religion and soe not to bee imi­tated but auoyded.

Againe the puritans condemne the prote­testant Bishops for essentiall poynts, and make them moste damned and hellish people, toge­ther with their ministers and adherents as is manifest before; And the protestant Bishops & followers haue in diuers publicke canons ma­de the state of puritans, excommunication ipso Constitutiō &c. can. ecclesiast. An. 1604. can. 3. can. 4. can. 5. can 6. cā. 7. can 8. cā. 9. can. 10. can. 11. can. 12. can. 4. can. 5. can. 6. can. 7. c [...]n. 8. facto, And to shew that they doe not thus Censure them, for things not essentiall, but ve­rie essentiall, materiall and fundamentall, things questioned betweene them, some of their opi­nions bee there thus expressed; the worship in the church in England is corrupt superstitious, vn­lawfull repugnant to the scriptures, and in sacra­ments. The articles of their religion are erroneous. their rites Antichristian gouernment of the church of england vnder his maiestie by Archbishops, Bi­shops, d [...]anes, &c. Antichristian and repugnant to the word of God. The forme and maner of ma­kinge, and consecratinge Bishops, [...]reists, and deacons is repugnant to the vvord of God. They vvhoe are made Bishops, preists, or deacons in that forme, [Page 99] are not lavvfully made, nor ought to bee accom­pted, either by themselues, or others to bee truely either Bishops, preists, or deacons, &c. Therefore soe many Excommunications ipso facto, in num­ber seuen together, with soe essentiall differen­ces, must needs bee materiall points, putting a man, as, they think & ordeyne, out of the church, and soe out of all hope of saluation, as they haue taught before

Further D. Couell setteth downe these prote­stants doctrine, in this maner; The Gouernment Couell ag. Burg. p. 33. b [...] Elders and the Pressbitery is the expresse com­maundement of God, and as essentiall as either the worde, or Sacraments And ag [...]ne. T [...]e discipline Couell exā. pag. 36. is an essentiall note of the churche men are marty­res in that quarrell, as well as for the defence of any article of the Christian faithe. M. O [...]merod Ormer. pict purit. f. 4. relateth their opinion in this maner; Certaine of the things which puritane [...] stand vppon, are such, as that euery hayre of their [...]eade, were a li­fe, they ought to offor them for the defence of them Hee hath told vs before, how, they haue Ormer. dial. 1. reuiued allmost all old heresies, and besides their opinions, haue their tricks, qualities and condi­tions. Then if protestants differ not from them in any essentiall thinge, they ioyne with them in those heresies. They are (to vse his words;) Apostolicks, Aerians, Popuzians, Petrobrusians, Flo [...]inians, Cerinthians, Nazarens, Beguardines, [...]bi [...]nits, Catababdi [...]es, Catharists, Iouinianists, &c. too m [...]ny to bee recited. Therefore hee speaketh thus: puritans differ from protestants in things fundamentall, and substantiall, puritans Ormerod dial. 2. doe not agree with protestants in all matters of substance. Therefore seing these men bee not [Page 100] papists, they must needs bee notorious lyers, and deceauers in spirituall things. M. Parkes in his Epistle dedicatorie to their late Arch­bishop of Canterbury writeth thus: The Creede Parkes epist dedicat. it selfe which hath allwayes beene the very badge and Cognizance, whereby to discerne and knowe the faithfull from vnbeleeuers, Christians from heathens, and Catholickes from hereticks, is the mayne point in question. Then they agree not in all things essentiall, and fundamentall, for besi­des this, hee addeth: puritanes seeke to vnder­myne the foundation of faith. Therefore spea­kinge Parkes p. 3. o [...] protestants and puritanes seducing t [...]e ignorant as though they agreed in all essen­tiall things, hee writeth in these words; To de­ceaue Parkes pag. 89. the worlde and make men beleeue, there is agr [...]ement in all substantiall points, they affirme, that there is noe question amonge them, of the Iacob reas. epist. dedic. truthe. M. Iacob giueth this Censure: T [...]ey are vayne wordes of men vnaduised, yea of corrupt mindes▪ and studing to flatter, which cease not to inculcate, that the things in question, are indiffe­rent Iacob reas. pag. 75. and arbitrary. The matters in question are far from matters indifferent, or arbitrarie, but are in deede very greately importinge the common pag. 82. sup saluation. These things are far from indifferent matters or small trifl [...]s in the churches, as some so [...]d men sugg [...]st, and [...]ill reiterate▪ t [...]ey are di­rectly contr [...]y to Gods worde▪ preiudiciall and dishonerable to Holy ca [...]linge, and pernitious to the soules of all the Christian [...] in the land. Their Sup­plication Supplicat. An 1606. Argum 5. Offer of Cons pa. 3. sa [...]h, their cause is [...]hole Christ. The protestant Authors of the offer of Conference, say: the pr [...]positions (offered, to bee disputed, contayne in them the nature of Christs true visible [Page 101] churche, Ministery and worship. The protestant Authors of the defence of the ministers reasons Defenc [...] epist. dedi [...]. for refusall of subscription, tell vs; very many points are contrary to the word of God. And add in this maner: if the Questions bee of noe substance, toyes▪ and trifles, what meaneth such vrdginge, and pressing of t [...]em, and the more s [...]uere punishing [...] of the not obseruinge them, then of the weightiest matters, not of our lawe, but of the lavve of God it selfe▪ vv [...]at meane all those dyuers and lardge treatises, dayly published by them that call them trifles, in t [...]eir defence? if trifles? soe seriously to mayntayne them, argueth want of iudgment, to knovve vvhat is meete to bee done. They might haue added alsoe want of Religion and iustice, to denounce soe many seuerall excommunica­tions for things not materiall, as before are cited.

Neither can the condition of these men by any morall iudgment in their owne procee­dings, bee otherwise: for hauing generally by their allowed Articles, princes letters patents, Statutes, and such protestant Consistories, vn­canonized diuers bookes of holy scriptures, condemning diuers of their errors, denyed di­ [...]ne traditions, the vnwritten worde of God, the infallible authoritie and iudgment of gene­rall Councells, in matters of faithe, the suprea­me commaunding power of the Apostolicke See of Rome, endowed with greatest priuiled­ges, from Christ our Sauiour, not regarding the doctrine of the learned primatiue fathers, but condemning these, and all Churches of Er­ror in Religion, and fantastically making their owne priuate spirits, erroneous iudgment, and [Page 102] deductions from false translations of scriptures, They must needs fall to, these prophane absur­dities, of lying, deceauing, willfull corruptions, falsifications and the like vngodly and vnchri­stian dealings, or els manifest and lay open their Heresies, and moste straunge innouations, to the vewe of the whole worlde, euen the moste simple and ignorant, whome they haue abused and seduced by such practizes. I will onely exemplifie in towe protestant writers, D. Willet, and M Parkes, both writing with priuiledge, and publicke allowance, one against the other, and either of them taxing the other in this kinde of impietie as followeth. M. Par­kes writing but against one little booke, publi­shed by this D. Willet named Lymbomastix, denyinge the Article of Christs discent into hell, hath these words: Holy scripture is much Par [...]es sect. 5. 8. pag 14 144 1 [...]9. 71. sect. 22. 5. 7. abused, corrupted and straungely peruerted. they intrude into the text. the holy scriptures are be­lyed the scripture abused, falsefyed. the originall greeke yt selfe clypp [...]d in citing scriptures, words are left out. they inuert the scriptures to serue their turne. Holy scripture is much abused, straungely peruerted, notoriously depraued, belyed manifestly wrested, &c. How holy fathers and such autho­rities are delt with, by this doctor in that trea­tise, Parkes sup. against lymb p. 70 151 def of 3. test sect [...] def of 1. 2 test p 2 [...]. se [...]t 18 21 p 181. 166. 101. 100. def of 2 [...] place sect. 10 11. 20. def. of 3. test s [...]ct 7. 12. 15. 16 &c pag. 7. 10, 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24 25. pag. 28. def. of 1. 2. 3. testim. &c. Par [...]s Apolog sup. epist. dedic. hee writeth thus: Hee condemneth all the auntient fathers, for dreamers, condemneth all the fathers. Hee condemneth all learneb and Godly di­ui [...]as, for enemies of Christs crosse, and bla [...]p [...]e­m [...]rs of his passion. Hee iustifieth m [...]ste wicke [...] He­reticks, and condemneth moste holy fathers. H [...]e falsely translateth, corrupteth, indignely han [...]let [...], clippeth, shamely corrupteth, iniuriously han [...]leth, [Page 103] greately abuseth, vntruely alleadgeth, mayneth, mistranslateth, much abuseth, notably corrupteth, &c. S. Augustine, Origen, S. Ambrose, S. Chrisosto­me, S. Leo, S. Hierome, Tertullian, S Bernard, &c. And speaking generally of their protestant writers hee writeth in this maner. Euery man maketh Religion the handmayde of his affections. Wee may say novv, that there are soe many fai­thes, as vvills, and soe many doctrines, as maners of men, vvhiles either vvee vvrite them, as vvee list, or vnderstand them as vvee please in soe much that many are brought to their vvitts ends, not knowinge what to doe. Men say they know w [...]ome to flye, but whome to follow they cannot tell. This age is the last and worst, wherin heresie and infide­litie ioyne and labour to subuert and ouerthrowe all grounds of Christian Religion. by their doctri­ne and life, their moste zelous followers are become irreligeous to God, irreuerent towards man, dis­centious in opinions, disorderous in maners. Reli­gion it selfe is brought to a matter of meere dispute, and altercation. Not without feare, leaste it befall vnto vs, as it did vnto the builders of babel, or to the brethren of Gadines. For as the end of scisme is sect. 16. heresie, soe is the end of heresie Atheisme. The pro­fession of the Ghospell is made a cloke, wherewith to couer the sowle prophanation of yt. Hitherto some testimonies from M. Parkes. The Cita­tions of like nature from his Aduersarie prote­stant D. Willet, are too many, and tedious in this kinde, to bee related; Therefore to giue so­me coniecture of them, I will onely sett downe the Title of his booke, which followeth in this Willet titu Lordoro­mast. maner.

Loidoromastix, that is a scourge for a Rayler: [Page 104] conteyning a full and sufficient Answeare, vnto the vnchristian Raylings, slaunders, vntruthes, and other iniurious imputations, vented of late by one Richard Parkes, [...]aster of arts, against the Au­thor of Lymbomastix, wherein three [...]undred Ray­lings, errors, contradictions, falsisications of fa­thers, corruptions of scripture, [...]ith other grosse ouersights, are obserued out of the saide vncharita­ble discourse, by And [...]vv Willet Professor of [...]i­uinitie. Hitherto the onely Title of this priui­ledged protestant Booke. What stuffe is con­teyned in the whole worke, of this k [...]de, and how common a thinge it is, for protestant writers to dissemble, corrupt, falsefie, mistrans­late, mi [...]apply. &c. scriptures, fathers, and other authorities, to aduantage their cause by such de [...]linges may bee iudged by publicke priuiledge and allowance giuen to such wri­tings. Therefore I shall lawfully conclude this q [...]estion with thes words of M. Ormerod con­cerning [...] Ormer. pict purit g. 4. protestants; They fill the margents of their bookes f [...]ll of places of scripture [...], in a wrong, sence, that [...]y this meanes [...]ey might, more easely deceaue the simple people. they ne [...]ther care for maior, minor, nor conclusion, so [...] they may say some thinge: the [...] point their mergent with s [...]amefull abu [...]nge of scripture. And to shew these dea­lings to bee vsuall, nor onely in obscurer pla­ces but in their vni [...]ersi [...]ie themselues, chee­f [...]st places of learninge amonge [...]em, in the epistle dedicatorie of the same worke hee wri­teth thus; There is a straunge maner of preaching Ormer sup. pict. pur [...]. epist. d [...]ic. in vse in many places, [...]othe in t [...]e vniuersities and els w [...]ere [...] t [...]ough th [...] pu [...]pit were but a s [...]ol­de, in which the prea [...]er like a Mast [...]r [...]ss [...]nce [Page 105] were to play his prizes, and as though the scripture were but a rattle for Children, and fooles, to make sporte withall, hee tosseth it hither and thither, and will not sayle to offer yt any violence, to frame it to an imagined conceit, and to drawe it to an idle purpose. Then noe meruaile, if the Ignorant bee deceaued, and seduced by such writers, and preachers: when noe Catholicke may bee suf­fered to write or speake against them. though they haue by all meanes they can make, moste humbly fought for equall Audience: which the Protestant Author of the Relation of the state of Religion in some sort insinuateth in these words: Catholicks crye maynely in all places Relation of Religion cap. 29. for triall by disputation, thus did Campion many yeares since with vs: T [...]is [...]s I passed t [...]r [...]ughe Turricke did the Cardinall Andrea of Constance, and his Iesuites not longe before the same was do­ne to them of Geneu [...] ▪ and v [...]rye lately the Capu­chins renwed the chall [...]ndge. Yett none will bee accepted, nor other answeare returned but such sermons & writings as wee haue related befo­re, and M. Ormerod describeth in thes words: Ormer pict purit supr. l. prefat. in postscript. diuers bookes printed against the papists are as fitt for the fyer, as the con [...]uringe bookes ca. 19. Act. ver. 19▪ and the publishers of such phantasticall bookes should bee hanged. Book [...]s are written by protestants, and suffered to bee published, which bee a greate disgrace to protestant Religion. Besi­des their argument of persecution remembred by the same author in the name of protestants in this maner: The Clin [...]e, t [...]e Gatehouse, the Ormer pict purit. g. 1. white lyon, and the f [...]ete haue be [...]n [...] protestants onely Arguments, whereby they haue proued their cause those many yeares. Hee might haue added [Page 106] moste bloodie, rigorous, and iniurious edicts, Tortures, penalties, arraigm [...]nts, iudgments, executions &c. And yett they haue gayned noe more then Iulian and other persecutors haue done: Gods Auger vnto themselues, and glorie and euerlastinge renounce vnto Catholicks for such sufferings, registred by their owne prote­stant writer a man of greate witt, worthe, and place amonge them in these words; The suffe­rings Relation of Religion cap. 31. and martirdomes of english Catholicks in these time are recompted to the height of Neroes, & Dioclesians persecutions, and the sufferers of their side bothe in meritts of cause, in extreamitie of Torments, and in constancie, and pati [...]nce, to the renouned Martyrs of that heroicall church age. Thus this protestant relateth the iudgment of forreyne nations concerninge english prote­stant persecutions towards their contry Ca­tholicks.

The 10. particular protestant demonstration is: Because these protestants contrarye to the nature of true beleeuers, and the true church, by their owne doctrine, are by their owne te­stimonies alsoe generally moste vile, wicked impious, and gracelesse people.

MY next protestant demonstration shall bee taken from their lyues, maners and behauiour: Befor which I s [...]ppose the common doctrine of these protestants, That good [...]orkes and true faith cannot bee separated, testified not [Page 107] onely by D. Willet, D. Feild, M. Thomas Ro­gers Willet An­tilog. p. 207 Feild Ro­gers pa. 55. pa. 56. Ar­ticles of Re­ligiō art. 12 and others, but alsoe by their highest au­thorised articles in these words: Good workes doe springe out necessarily of a true and liuely faith, in soe much that by them a liuely faith may bee as euidently knowne, as a tree discerned by the fruite, Therefore seing there is, as they tell vs, an eui­dent and necessarie coniunction of these, they cannot bee seperated▪ which M. Rogers would not onely proue by scriptures in this maner: Rogers sup. cil. Matth. 7. 16 Math. 3. 12 Ihon 13. 35 luk. 6. 36. Eph. 1. 1. 1. Ihon 3. 10 Cōfess. Helu 2. ca. 16. Basil ar. 8. Bohem. c. 7. Gal. ar. 22. Belg. 24. Saxon. ar. 3 Wittēb. c. 7 Sueu. c. 4. Powell l. 2. Antichrist. p. 474. 476. The scripture saith and sheweth that by good wor­kes are knowne, the good trees from the b [...]dd, the wheate from the chaffe, the true disciples from the false; the sonnes of God from the children of Sa­than, the regenerat [...] from the vnbeleeuers. Here­ticks vnto the Saincts and churches, doe subscribe. And citeth the protestant Confessions of Hel­uetia, Basile, Bohemia, Fraunce, Belgia Wittem­berge, Sueuia, for thie subscription, and doctri­ne. To these I add an other receaued doctrine of protestants, of the certayntie of their being in true faith, grace, and to bee predestinate, en­treated before: and soe confidently taught, that M. Powell calleth it blasphemye to deny yt, his words bee these: It is blasphemous doctrine, to say as the church of Rome doth, that saith is onely in generall propositions: as, hee that keepeth the commaundements, shall enter into life, and hee that b [...]le [...]ueth and is baptized [...]hall bee saued: and not in these particulars: I shall enter into life: I shall bee saued: or my synnes are forgiuen. Then if as before by their doctrine true faith and good workes are euidently, and necessarilie conioy­ned to gether, and vnseperable: it is blasphe­mous by true consequence, to say, that a man, [Page 108] or men, or church wantinge good workes, by their owne confession and alsoe ouerwhelmed with euill workes, and all kinde of syns, and iniquities, haue true faith, true Religion, or church, or shall bee saued: wherevppon I argue thus.

Noe men, societie, or Congregation, conui­cted by their owne testimonies to bee [...]ere­ticks, which want true faithe, can haue those things that are in their iudgment vnseperable from yt, which bee good workes: But these english protestants, as is proued before by them selues, are in this case: Therefore they haue not good workes. Therefore not the true church: Therefore not to bee communicated with, in Religeous busines. All things in this argument are proued before, and confessed by these pro­testants.

Againe I argue in this maner: noe men infe­cted and defiled with such euill works, as de­pryue, and leaue men destitute of grace, can haue good workes, done by grace, and in gra­ce; But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before, are in this condition. Ther­fore they haue not good workes of grace. The maior is euidently true; for, to haue grace, and not to haue grace, are contradictories. Therefore if it bee true, that protestants haue not grace; it is false to say, that they haue grace. The minor proposition is manifestly proued before, in that protestants are proued by themselues to bee Scisma [...]icks, vsurpers in Religion, prophane, lyers, dissemblers, feducers, &c. which being mortall and damnable fyns, must needs depry­ue them of grace, and leaue them gracelesse. [Page 109] For as they conclude in their Conference; eue­ry Conferenc [...] pag. 41. greuous synne depriueth of grace and iustifica­tion. their proposition there is this; whosoeuer, though before iustified, did commit any greuous syn, as adultery, murther, treason or the like, did be­come, ipso facto, subiect to Gods wrathe, and guilti [...] of damnation, quoad prasentem statum, vntill they did repent. Therefore protestants by these their owne doctrines, haue neither good wor­kes, nor good beleife, or faithe; And soe not to bee communicated with, in such busines of Re­ligion.

And from this soe generally receaued prote­stant doctrine of England, Heluetia, Basile, Bohe­mia, Gallia, Belgia, Saxonia, Wittemberge, that the want of good workes is a knowledge and distinguishing signe, belonginge to chaffe, false disciples, children of Sathan and vnbeleeuers, to discerne them from the true beleeuers and ser­uants of God, I argue thus.

Noe societie, Congregation, or companie of men, which by their owne testimonies doe not onely want good workes, but bee generally defiled with most heynous, and greuous syns, can bee the children of God, true beleeuers, or to bee communicated with in causes of Reli­gion; But the english protestants are in this condition; Therefore not the true beleeuers, true church, or to bee communicated with, in spirituall things. The maior proposition is the common doctrine of all those protestant chur­ches before remembred. And the minor propo­sition of the impietie and wickednes of prote­stants, is thus proued by their owne writings. M. Hull speakinge of his fellowe protestants [Page 110] writeth thus; These are the dayes whereof our Sa­uiour Hull Rom. polec. pref [...]. Christ, and his Apostles soe longe agoe pro­phesied, wherein charitie should waxe colde, and faith should searce appeare, wherein men should bee [...]idebacks from Christ. and Apostates from true Religion, wherein they should bee louers of themselues, couetous, cursed speakers, disobedient, vntankefull, vnholy, true breakers, false accusers, despisers of them that are good, traytors, headie, high minded louers of pleasures more them of God hauinge a shewe of Godlines, but haue denyed the power thereof: yea wherein men are become vsers, newters, temporisers, Atheistes. An other prote­stant writeth in these termes: The protestans Cort. consi­d [...]rat. An. 1605. epist. d [...]dicat. Religion of England is much like an euill herbe, which if it bee not speedely rooted vpp, but suffered to spreade, will soone ouerspreade the gard [...]ns of God, with vice and impietie, as there will scarcely Willet. An­tilog pa 28 hath these words: Wee iustely complayne of the prophanes of these times, and of the ouerflowinge of iniquitie, euen where Religion is moste puerly professed. Then that Religion must needs bee Parkes A­polog. epist. dedicat. impuer, by their former doctrine. M. Parkes alsoe speakinge of protestants, speaketh in this maner: euery man maketh Religion the hande­maide of his affections. We [...] are come to that de­clinge age of the worlde, foretolde by the Apostle (2. Tim. 1. 2. 3. 4.) wherein men should bee louers of themselues, fastidious, arrogant, couetous, ma­ledicous, immorigerous, &c. for euen such are the­se our times, selfe loue hath banished sobrietie: pri­d [...] humilitie: malice charitie; disobedience dutie; dissention vnitie; prophanesse sanctitie; and in a [...], sayned zeale true deuotion. Concerninge [Page 111] the pretended ministers how far they are ouer­whelmed with wickednes, is spoken befor; To which I add these protestant testimonies: M. Ormerod writeth thus; The taunts and contu­melies Ormer pict pur f. 3. l 4. of Ministers against Ministers are vnchri­stean. they refuse to salute one an other, but one spitteth in the face of an other, wishinge the plaque of God to light vppon them, saying they were dam­ned. Neither is this peculiar to english mini­sters for the protestant relator of religion wri­teth thus of forreyne ministers. In the diuision Relation cap. 4 [...]. of protestants into their factions, the ministers ha­ue soe behaued themselues, that it threatneth a greate ruyne and calamitie. neither is there any greate doubt, but if any stay, and agreement could bee taken with the turke, all Germanie wers in daunger to bee in vproare within it selfe, by inte­stine dissention. To this lamentable extremitie hath the headines of the mininisters brought it. But of their moste wicked both doctrine, and beha­uiour against princes and common wealthe I will entreate hereafter. In the meane time it i [...] allreadie euident that this moste vile and pro­phane state of wickednes, is not in some few as may bee fownde amonge men of true Reli­gion, not lyuinge accordinge to the rules the­reof; But generall and vniuersall, which must needs proceede from the nature of their pre­tended Religion it selfe, hauing in yt, and pu­blishinge to the worlde, to all men to vewe and followe soe many errors tendinge and leadinge vnto all libertie, and licentiousnes of life, and neither hauinge sacraments, or any instrument of grace, to preuent synnes, and their occasions in any callinge or state of men, marryed o [...] [Page 112] vnmaryed, olde or yonge, cleargie or laitie, ly­uinge or dyinge, nor any one rule to warrant vnto them for true faith, any one article which they hold, whether in yt selfe it bee true or fal­se; all which & more absurdities of such nature are demonstratiuely befor proued against them by their owne writings.

The 11. particular protestant demonstration, for Catholicks iust Recusancie, is: Because the English protestants by their owne wri­tings, are not onely enemies to the temporall princes claime of supreamacie, in ecclesiasti­call causes, aduauncing their Bishops and presbyteries aboue yt, but deny alsoe his su­u [...]ranitie in matters temporall by their con­sequences.

NOw lett vs come to those Questions, for which soe many Catholicks and Reli­geous parsons haue suffered Martyrdome, and moste greuous persecutions, in the times of kinge Henry 8. Queene Elizabeth, and our present Soueraigne kinge Iames, the claymed supreame spirituall power of temporall prin­ces in cause ecclesiasticall, in this kingedome, and that power and Authoritie concerning temporall princes, which these english prote­stants affirme Catholickes doe giue to the Po­pe of the highest apostolicke See of Rome, proued before by these protestants to bee su­preame [Page 113] heade, & gouernor an earthe of Christs churche, and greatest commaunding iudge in spirituall causes. I am to proue in this demon­stration; That these protestant Bishops, purita­nes, and presbyterie, by their owne testimonies giue not soe much power and authoritie to the tēporall prince as wee doe: And yett arrogate & challendge to themselues in their pretended Bishops and presbiterie more commaunde iu­risdiction and authoritie ouer temporall kings, and princes, then Catholicke writers, and scho­les allowe or attribute, to the Pope of Rome. And that if the parlament had framed an oathe as much concerninge the power of their Bi­shops and presbiteries, as their soe named Oathe of alleadgeance, concerneth the Popes pri­uil [...]dges; Noe protestant or puritane by the groundes of their Religion should, coulde, or might haue taken yt. What they would or will doe in such a case, I dare not vndertake, for men soe conuicted before to bee by their owne te­stimonies most notorious dissemblers, decea­uers, willfull seducers, lyers, periured and fore­sworne people in matters of Religion. And this is made moste manifest, that allthough they generally condemne their owne Religion for hereticall, their seruice for damnable, their ministery for Antichristian or none at all, their supposed ordination for ridiculous; The arti­cles of their Religion for false, and erroneous, Their Canons and Censures to bee vngodly & vnlawfull, as is proued by themselues before, and absolutely deny the kings supreamacie in most daūgerous degree as will be euidēt against them by their owne writings in this Chapter, [Page 114] yett contrary to all [...]ruthe, Religion, conscienc [...] and morall honestie they haue generally swor­ne, protested, subscribed vnto, and doe practi­ce to their owne damnation in these things that which is directly opposite and contrary to their owne Conscience, and iudgment in Reli­gion. Therefore to proceede in my first inten­ded purpose and proposition I argue in this maner.

Noe men which by their owne testimonies, and writings, doe generally dislike, or disallowe of the temporall princes supreamacie in spiri­tuall and ecclesiasticall Causes, and in straunge and danigerous order, can or may in conscien­ce by oathe and swearinge allowe yt; But this is the common estate of english protestants, by their owne confessions, published in writinge; Therefore they cannot in conscience sweare to the oathe of supreamacie, in temporall princes, or allowe yt for true doctrine. The maior pro­position is euidently true, for in soe dyinge they are periured, and forsworne, and in a mat­ter of highe moment And all periury is damna­ble. And soe noe spirituall communication to bee had with such men in such matters, or in things daungerous vnto, or against Regalitie or lawfull regiment, allowed by the lawe of God and true Religion. The minor proposi­tion, that protestants in England are in this condition, is thus proued by their owne Testi­monies; The protestant author of the booke named Certaine demaundes writeth in these words: The protestant Bishops doe not attributie Cert. de­maund. An 1605. p. 54 any more spirituall authoritie v [...]to the Kinge, to make, constitute, and ordeyne Canons, Constitu­tions, [Page 115] Rites, or Ceremonies, then they giue vnto him spiritual povver to preache the vvorlde, ad­minis [...]er the sacraments, and excommunicate. But the articles of their Religion confirmed and thus published by his maiestie resolueth this matter in these wordes: Wee giue not to our Articles of Relig. ar. 37▪ Prince the ministrings either of Gods vvorde, or of the sacraments; the vvhich thinge the iniunctions also [...] sometime sett forth by Elizabeth our late Queene, doe moste plainely testifie. Therefore as the Conclusion before is; The protestants of England cannot by their owne doctrine, with­out periury sweare to the kings supreamacie. Therefore parlamentarie pro [...]estants and puri­tans alsoe holdinge this opinion against the kings supreamacie, and yett for preferment, or other carnall respects, hauing sworne vnto yt, are periured and forsworne in a damnable de­gree. And thus by this title the pretended mini­stery of England is a periured Ministery by their owne writings.

Againe I argue in this maner; whatsoeuer, Ministery claymeth their callinge to bee by lawe diuine, diuinae ordinationis, doe by the do­ctrine of english protestants deny the kings supreamacie; But both the parlament prote­stants, and puritanes, thus clayme their callin­ge of ministery; Therefore by their owne do­ctrine, deny the kings supreamacie. The ma­ior proposition is proued by the protestant au­thor of the booke named Certaine Considera­tions, in these wordes: if the english protestants▪ Cert. consi­der. pa. 46. opinion bee mayntayned, that Bishops iurisdiction is de iure diuino, his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication, There­fore [Page 116] by this protestant reason, the kinge is not supreame: for hee that is supreame or su­perior cannot be excommunicated by the in­ferior, which hath not power ouer the supe-superior, much lesse ouer him that is suprea­me. Againe, hee that is supreame, is subiect to none, because not inferior, but aboue, & com­maundinge all. Yett here the kinge is both na­med subiect, and Censured as an inferior, and to that penance and punishment soe greuous, that the protestant author of Assertion thus expres­seth Assertion An. 1604. pag. 326. it inflicted on princes by their suprea­macies; Excommunication is terrible to princes, and rulers, a delyuery of the soule to sathan, pu­nishment of the bodie, and daunger of go [...]ds. Ex­communication is soe powerfull, as it can constrey­ne princes and rulers to doe their duties. M. Orme­rod alsoe remembreth this protestant doctrine Ormer. dial. 1. in these words: princes ought to submitt them­selues to the Seniors of the church, & they ought to be cōtēt to be ruled, & gouerned, punished, corrected excōmunicated by their discretiō, & at their pleasur. Then whether these protestāts can in cōscience sweare to the kings supreamacie as they haue done, or sweare an oathe soe much concerning their Bishops, & presbitery, as the named Oathe of alledgeance, cōcerneth the Popes prerogatiue, and whether it is more reasonable for any one temporall prince to acknowledge▪ The Bishop of the cheefest Apostolicke See, whome all Ca­tholicke princes of Christendome and the church of Christ euer acknowledged for their supreame spirituall pastor, and gouernor, to bee alsoe vnto him, as hee is and euer was to all his progen [...]tors kings and other princes; or [Page 217] singularly with soe manifest daunger against scriptures, councels, fathers, histories, and all authorities, and examples, to make himselfe, his soule, bodie, life, and goods as before, sub­iect, and at the pleasure of his subiects, euery pretended Bishop in his dioces, and euery Mi­nister of the presbyterie in his parishe or diui­sion; I leaue these for others to conclude, one­ly I add that these protestants by this their clay­med superiority ouer princes, haue within lesse then fourtie yeares disinherited, depriued, and spoyled more temporall princes of their law­full territories and dominions as is proued against them by a Catholicke writer of our na­tion; Then the Pope by any prerogatiue, title, Moder. Answ. ca. 8. c. 9. See the protestants there cited. or clayme with the consent of kingdomes hath taken vpon him to alter the Regiment of tem­porall kinges, from the first begynning of Chri­stianitie to these dayes. But more of this mat­ter hereafter.

The minor proposition that both the prote­stant Bishops now, and the presbiterie, clayme their callings, Iure diuino, by the law of God, and not from the prince, is euidently proued befo­re. And manifest in probation of the first pro­position. For the lawes of this land, (and wee admitt noe others) are soe far from making it the office and power of any Bishop, presbite­rie, parson, or societie whatsoeuer [...]o excom­municate their prince, delyuer his soule to Sathan, punish his bodie, on daunger his goods, constreyne, rule, gouerne, correct and punish him, at their dis­cretion and pleasure, (as their owne words be­fore bee) that the very conspiring or consen­ting vnto such things is a state of high Treason; [Page 118] and greatest offence to lawe in this kingedo­me. Therefore they must blasphemousely clay­me as they doe other things from the lawe o [...] God, noe other in force here as before. Then I may say with their owne protestant writer in these words; The kinges supreamacie is fallen Certaine cōsideratiōs An. 1605. pag. 47. downe, and ouerthrowne in the moste daungerous degree by the english protestant proceedings. And this might suffice for this purpose demonstrati­uely prouing what I promised. But I argue fur­ther in this maner.

Whoeseuer doe not onely say that the pro­testant Bishops, or presbiterie, haue the suprea­macie in spirituall things, and kings haue no­thing therein to deale, but must submitt their scepters, and Crowns, lose their Royaltie, cea­se to bee kings, not to bee obeyed, to bee de­posed, vnthroned, bereaued of all power, and principalitie, &c. as the protestant ministery shall please, or denownce, may not bee commu­nicated with in Religion, either by the lawe of God, or of this kingedome; But the english protestant doctrine is such, by their owne wri­tings; Therefore not to bee communicated withall in Religion. The maior proposition is soe euidently true, that it is manifest spirituall treason, heresie and Rebellion to God, and ci­uill Treason in moste highe degree against our kinge, by the lawes of this nation, to deny yt. And the minor proposition is thus proued by these protestants: one protestant writeth thus: C [...]rtaine demaū. An. 1605. p. 42. Couell exā. [...]ag. 12. To establish the commaund of the ciuill magistra­te the squar and plumet of subiects conscience, is to wrest the scriptures, and a Tyranny. D. Couell recordeth their opinion thus; First fruites, ten­thes, [Page 119] subsedies, contributions of ecclesiasticall par­sons to the prince, are sacriledge and Robbery. D. Willet writeth in this maner; Princes ar [...] not to Will [...]t An­til pa. 151. Assertion An. 1604. Ormer pict purit. epist. dedic. & dial. 1. bee obeyed in all ecclesiasticall lawes. An other writeth thus; The temporall prince neuer had any spirituall power in this kingedome. M. Orme­red setteth downe their doctrine, in these words; Christian Soueraignes ought not to bee called heads vnder Christ, of the particular and visible churches, within their dominions princes ought not to meddle with the making of lawes, or­ders, and Ceremo [...]ies, for the church. As the mini­sters Ormerod supr. d. 4. meddle not with makinge of ciuill lawes, and lawes for the common wealthe: s [...] the ciuill Magi­strate hath not to ordeyne Ceremonies pertayninge to the churche. Noe ciuill Magistrates in Councells, dialog. 1. or assemblers, for church matters, can either bee cheife moderator, ouer Ruler, iudge or determiner. To bee breife in this matter; D. Morton per­ceauing that deniall of the princes supreamacie Mortō cōf. of the pop. auth par. 3 p. 25. p. 26. was proued to bee the doctrine of their Bishop Bilson, D. Fulke, D. Whitaker, D. Sutcliffe, D. Co­uell, D. Downame, D. Willet, M. Hooker, M. Bell, and others, cheife writers amonge them, de­nyeth it not, eyther for them, or himselfe; but referreth the matter to S. Leo Pope of Rome, who as hee was one of the moste learned godly fa­thers, that euer were, soe hee is knowne and acknowledged by protestants to bee the grea­test patrone of the Popes supreamacie, that was in that primatiue and learned age, and taught as M. Ormerod telleth vs; that God did assist & direct that See in decrees. And yett neither kinge Ormer. pict pap. pa. 44. nor Pope must bee supreame heade when it pleaseth them; But either their Bishops or pres­bitery. [Page 120] M Ormerod thus relateth their opinion▪ Ormerod dial. 2. To these three ioinily, that is the ministers, Senion and deacons, is the whole regiment of the church to bee committed. And how far this Regiment by them extendeth is before expressed euen to punish and depose princes; and M. Ormerod further recompteth in these words; Princes must remember, to subiect themselues, to the churche, to Ormerod. dial. 1. submitt their scepters, to throwe downe their Crownes, before the churche; yea to licke the dust of the feete of the churche. And these soe well agreing protestants are, or were soe far from swearinge to the supreamacie of a Temporall prince, that in Scotland as they themselues wittnesse they caused our Soueraige kinge Ia­mes to sweare to their supreamacie: The words of the protestant defendor of the ministers Reasons are these; The Kings maiestie hath not Defence of the minist. reas. pag. 3. Suruey of the Booke of common prayer p. 23▪ onely subscribed, but sworne to the discipline. An other protestant writer hath these words: is it not generally knowne, that his maiestie hath by subscription, sworne to mayntayne the discipline in Scotland, in these words? To the vvhich vvee ioyne ourselues vvillingly in doctrine, faith, Religion, discipline, and vse of the holy sacraments, as a li­uely member of the same; promising [...] and swearinge by the greate name of our Lord, that wee shall de­fend the same, accordinge to our vocation, and power all the dayes of our life, vnder the payne conteyned in the lawe, and daunger bothe of bodie and soule, in the day of Gods fearefull iudgment. And yett his maiestie hath told vs before, that these men to obtayne their purpose, first gaue supreamacie to the Queene there; But their purpose now obtayned the Kinge himselfe by [Page 121] their Relation subscribeth & sweareth to their supreamacie, as a subiect to them as his Supe­riors.

What moste horrible and odious positions about depriuinge, deposing, killinge, and mur­theringe of princes, not sutinge to their humors in Religion, not without horror to bee named, are recorded by their brother Whittingham Wittingh. pref. to Goodni▪ booke. deane of durrhame, and affirmed to bee appro­ued by the best learned at Geneua, Caluine, Whit­tingham, Goodman, Gilby, Couerdale, (one of their pretended Bishops from whome D. Sut­cliffe befor claymeth their ministery) Whitehea­de english protestants and others, and to bee see­ne in they suruey of holy discipline attributed to their late protestant Archbishop of Canter­bury Suruey of of Hol. discipl. D. Bancroft, which I breefely remember here though befor the time of my syxe limited yeares: Because the protestant Authors of the offer of conference speaking in the name of all their protestant profession, call those positions the doctrine of the worthiest protestants, and thus Offer of Cō ­fer p. 18. 19 affirme, they consent in iudgment with those par­sons, and churches, and together with other chur­ches hold the foresaid positions. And Doctor Co­uell will secure mee in this poynt, that I doe Couell exā. pag, 35. 36. not exceede my limitts: his wordes bee these: That it is lawfull to kill wicked kings, wa [...] the do­ctrine of the best and moste learned about Geneua and those partes. Neither neede wee to seeke these obedient doctrines at Geneua where they depriued their temporall prince, or in Scotland deposinge their lawfull Queene and Princesse, England it selfe will yeeld vs too much choice of these doctrines. M. Ormerod doth thus relate [Page 122] them: what Kinge, Prynce or Emperour shall disa­null Ormer. pict purit. epist. ded. &c. 2. supr. d. 3. the discipline; hee is to bee reputed Gods ene­my, and to bee held vnworthie to raigne aboue his people. And more plainely of all princes in ge­nerall in these words; Kinges and princes are na­turally enemyes to the libertie of the ghospell; and can neuer patiently heare the yeoke of Christ. The sup. [...]. 1. gouernment of the common wealthe must bee fra­med accordinge to the gouernment of the churche, where there must bee equalitie, and paritie. Wher­vppon their Bishop Barlowe thus relateth the speach of his maiestie in their publicke Confe­rence; The presbytery aswell agreeth vvith a mo­narchie, as God and the deuill▪ lacke and Tom and Conference at Hampt. Court. p. 79 Will and Dicke vvill Censure the Kinge, and all their proceedings at their pleasure, in Scotlande he vvas a kinge vvithout state, vvithout honour, vvithout order: vvhere beardelesse boyes vvould braue him to his face. And in open parlament pa. 4. sup. his maiesties wordes bee these: The sect of puri­tanes is vnable to bee suffered in any vvell gouer­ned K. speache in parlam. 19. Mart. An. 1603. commonvvealthe. Then the parlamentarie protestants agreing with them as they haue ab­solutely tolde vs, in all essentiall things, such as these bee, must needs bee as guiltie in these Crimes. And the rather because their prote­stant Brethren that were Authors of the offer Offer of Cō ­f [...]r. p. 35. of Conference write in these wordes; The mini­sters doe much more aduaunce the Roall dignitie, then the prelates doe. Then if the protestant Bi­shops, with their ministers doe more disallowe the Royall dignitie, then the puritans which as before doe vtterly ouerthrowe and take yt away, they must needs deny all Royall dignitie and Regalitie, especially if they will retayne the [Page 123] name of protestants: for the same protestants haue further written that those positions soe contrarie to the princely and Regall state, were the doctrine of the vvorthiest protestants. And to Offer. supr. pag. 18. 19 shew that these parlament protestants, and so­me in credite amonge them, will bee of the sa­me opinion with these worthiest protestants; D. Morton confirmeth the manifest treasons & Rebellion of his fellow protestants in seekinge Morton Re­plic part 2. pag. 100▪ ▪ 101 against the statutes of this kingedome and the last will and testament of K. Henry 8. not onely to disable the Regiment of Queene Mary, and Elizabeth, but to ouerthrowe the inheritance and right of his maiestie, to be lawfull Actions. To iustifie the Rebellion of his protestant Bi­shops Cranmer and Ridley hee writeteth thus: Morton s [...] ▪ pag. 110. whereof can you accuse Cranmar, Ridley and all protestants, for takinge Armes against Queene Mary? from whence I conclude if they were to bee accused of nothinge as euill; Then becau­se, non datur actus indifferens in indiuiduo, no [...] Act in particular, is indifferent, but good or bad, their Act, not to bee accused for euill, by Doctor Morton; must needs bee good. And soe to make Rebellion against a lawfull prynce is not onely lawfull but vertuous and commendable by his diuinitie. That euery of their pretended Bishops and presbiteries must iudge in causes of princes, [...] proued by them before. Yett hee approueth these protestant propositions; when a kinge commaundeth against God, hee vsurpeth pag. 116. Gods throne, and herein hee loseth his Royaltie, which is to bee obeyed. Terrene princes bereaue themselues of power, when they arise against God, yea are vnworthie to bee accompted in the nomber [Page 124] of men; Therefore wee must rather spitt on their heades, then obey them. Hee mayntayneth Cal­uins pag. 119. expellinge the lawfull prince of Geneua; and these propositions of Luther▪ protestant [...] hands must bee embrued with blood; and that bee pag. 120. had warrant from God to battail [...] against Pryn­ces. The positions of Tyndall were soe impious, that I finde them not printed in Fore his mo­numents of the laste editions yett D. W [...]llet, auoweth them for lawfull doctrine. Wherein these bee conteyned. Euery man is Lorde of other mens goods. The children of faith are vnder no [...] Willet Anti pag. 203 lawe. Syn cannot condemne vs. Hee that desireth more may reade M. Foxe in the first edition▪ Hee alsoe compareth the rebelleous, death of pag. 178. up. Zwinglius to the death of good Iosias. D. Feild speakinge of that greate protestant Rebellion, writeth thus. That Zvvingliu [...] dying in the Feild vvith his contry [...]en in defence of their Religion i [...] Fild. l. 3. pag. 188. an excellent proofe and demonstration of the chri­stian magnanimitie, and resolution that rested in him, Then if it is not onely a lawfull act, but an excellent Demonstration of the grea [...]e heroi­call vertue, Christian magnanimitie; That prin­ces are not to bee obeyed but spitt vppon if they dif­fer in Religion▪ that protestant hands must bee [...]mbrued with blood in such affaires, euery man is Lord of others goods Protestants doe well in d [...]po­singe or expellings princes: [...] these parlament protestants teach vs, I may iustely conclude; The opinions of them bothe bee moste dam­nable Owen l. pil. and her. pa 46 47. 48. 49 50. 51. 52. 53. in this poynt: And therefore they are not to bee communicated with in such Religion. To these M. Dauid Owen addeth the rebellious both doctrine and practize of these prim [...] [Page 125] pro [...]stants; The Citizens of Geneua, Ihon Guluy­ [...], Christopher Goodman, Knoxe, T [...]eodore Beza, the outlandish chur [...]hes in London; Iunius, Euse­bius, Philadelphus, Danaeus, George Buchanan, Thomas Cartwright, Hermanus Renegerus, Ro­bert Rollo [...]ke, William Buchanan, and others, their very names are too tedious to bee reci­ted, their treasonable positions, and practices, able to furnish a whole volume, and not to bee conteyned in this brouiate. what their agree­ment is in this poynt will appeare by the very title of the 9. chapter of his booke in these wordes: The ninth chapter sheweth the gene­rall Consent of the moderne puritanes, touching Owen supr. cap 9. pag. 46 the coertion, deposition, and killinge of kinges, who­me they call Tyrants. Therefore [...]seing this kil­ling doctrine, is the generall doctrine of them, that agree with protestants in all essentiall things, protestants alsoe must hold them, and wee may not communicate with such men, in such things; bothe for this, and soe many eui­dent demonstrations, of the like nature before, from their owne published, and publickly printed, or allowed writings, and proceedings in Religeous busines. Many others that might be added in this matter, I Willingly passe ouer, as little needfull, where soe many and manifest condemnations of these protestants both Re­ligion, and persecution, haue passed from their owne pens, pulpitts, parlaments, consistories and sentences against themselues, to their euer­lastinge shame and confusion. Which I would alsoe haue passed ouer among other sufferrings with sylence, had not their manifold, and late barbarous dealings, especially of some in their [Page 126] foe termed ministery, and their depen [...]nts, and confederates enforced mee to this maner of confutation. That which remayneth: God of his infinite mercie blesse, preserue, and prosper his Maiestie, Queene, and Children, together with the nobilitie, and this kingedome with all spirituall, and temporall blessings, and graces: and conuert all that bee in error, to his holy truthe. An soe I make an end.