0:00 [tech noise] [screen share start] [screen share stop] hi everyone [pause] group 0:18 hi hi [anon_$008] 0:20 just gonna share my screen there let me know when you can see it [screen share start] [tech noise] [pause] [screen share stop] okay so what we're gonna do this morning we're gonna go back to our pronunciations [pause] um because i think like we've had a number of new areas that we haven't been used to um so i think what i'll do is i'll start with the areas pronunciation and obviously if there's any that aren't on the list that you need help with obviously let me know and we can add them to the list and we can practice them and then if there's any names as well obviously we can go to those so i'll just share the um sheet there [screen share start] can can everyone see my screen [screen scroll] [pause] unknown 0:59 yes yes [anon_$008] 1:01 i'll just increase the font there [tech noise] [screen scroll] [pause] [tech noise] is that okay or maybe a little bit more [pause] unknown 1:15 that's okay that's fine that's okay 1:17 all right so this is the order that i want us to do it in here in the names here okay so i think what the first one we'll do is i'll leave in the column with the pronunciation the phonetic pronunciation and then we'll go a second time and uh i'll hide that column so [anon_$009] if you start here [screen scroll] and um as i said we'll go in this order here and um see how we get on okay [pause] 1:17 all right [anon_$008] [pause] so this one is fossa 1:25 okay [anon_$010] [pause] 1:26 athenry 1:26 [anon_$011] [pause] 1:30 dún laoghaire 1:33 [anon_$012] 1:34 clonshaugh 1:38 [anon_$013] 1:38 killcloghans 1:40 [anon_$014] 1:41 tuam tuam 1:47 [anon_$015] [pause] 1:53 tirellan 2:08 yep okay go ahead now [anon_$009] [pause] 2:13 that's carnlough 2:16 sycamore 2:18 orlagh [pause] 2:20 knocklyon 2:23 carrigtwohill 2:24 let me bring down the screen a bit there one moment [screen scroll] [pause] okay go ahead 2:32 yep dunlough 2:33 yep 2:36 and that's [pause] cobh 2:42 mulhuddart 2:42 [pause] naas 2:47 killiney [pause] 2:51 clondalkin 2:54 ard na greine [tech noise] 2:55 so it's ard na gray na it's kind of the the end of the [breath in] of the word there is isn't with a na rather than a n e you know so try that again there [pause] 3:07 ard na greine 3:08 okay 3:11 cunningham 3:14 eustace [pause] 3:17 watterville 3:19 leighlin [pause] 3:22 kunisk 3:22 yeah 3:23 clonuske 3:23 yeah 3:23 clonuske [tech noise] 3:26 ban na greine [pause] 3:31 gurranabraher [pause] 3:35 cruagh wood 3:35 say that one again cruagh wood 3:39 cruagh wood 3:39 yeah i think you're saying that correctly um okay so are we okay with me hiding the uh column [screen scroll] or do you want another run with the column [pause] unknown 3:39 um that okay maybe you can hide it that's fine 3:45 good stuff [screen scroll] [pause] that was good there now guys very good [pause] [tech noise] okay um so this time [anon_$010] will you start so it's just slightly different order and then just 4:04 yeah 4:04 [anon_$011] after that 4:04 yeah 4:05 go ahead [pause] 4:07 okay fossa [pause] 4:09 athenry 4:12 dun laoghaire 4:13 clonshaugh [tech noise] 4:15 killcloghan [pause] 4:19 tuam 4:22 tirellan [pause] 4:25 carnlough 4:26 sycamore 4:28 orlagh 4:30 knocklyon [pause] 4:34 carigouhill 4:34 say it again there [pause] 4:38 carrigtwohill+ 4:39 +carrigtwohill that near [anon_$024] 4:40 carrigtwohill 4:41 yeah carrig two carrig two 4:44 yeah 4:44 so like it's alm= it's like um [pause] the word two basically carraig to hill [screen scroll] okay 4:53 okay carrigtwohill [pause] 4:57 the lough 4:59 cobh 5:00 mulhuddart 5:04 naas 5:05 no try again [pause] [noise] 5:08 naas 5:09 no try again 5:12 sorry [anon_$008] then i don't know 5:13 okay so no it's a difficult one it's naas so naas 5:17 naas okay 5:18 yeah um 5:18 naas 5:20 so [anon_$010] makes you want to try saying it 5:24 naas 5:24 okay [anon_$011] say it again [pause] 5:30 killiney 5:31 okay one second now i'll move down the [pause] screen [screen scroll] okay yeah next [pause] 5:40 [tech noise] clondalkin 5:43 clondalkin yeah okay next [pause] 5:47 ard na greine 5:47 ard na greine so this one is proving difficult 5:50 ard na greine yeah 5:51 yeah difficult so we mark that [screen scroll] [breath in]okay say it again there [anon_$014] 5:57 ard na greine 5:58 yeah okay 6:01 uh cunningham 6:01 say that again [anon_$015] 6:02 cunningham 6:04 cunningham yeah i think the call just dropped maybe go ahead [pause] 6:09 eustace [pause] 6:11 waterville 6:14 leighlin 6:17 clonsurt 6:18 [noise] say that little a bit louder 6:20 clon 6:21 this one little bit louder here number 25 6:26 clon [pause] 6:27 clonuske clonuske [tech noise] 6:28 clonuske 6:28 [screen scroll] clonuske say it once more [pause] 6:34 clonuske 6:34 yeah very good 6:35 clonuske 6:35 good stuff [pause] 6:40 ban na greine 6:45 gurrannabraher 6:45 yeah very good [pause] 6:49 cruagh wood 6:50 cruagh wood excellent yeah very good excellent stuff okay [anon_$009] this one number 20 [screen scroll] [pause] 6:58 ard na greinne 6:59 very good uh [anon_$010] number 25 [screen scroll] 7:03 clonuske 7:04 [screen scroll] very good now was there any areas that you were having difficulty with that that aren't on the list [screen scroll] [pause] 7:12 uh killtullagh maybe 7:12 oh goodness um do you want to [pause] type it out or [pause] killtullagh was it 7:17 uh killtullagh yeah there was one lead from [pause] from the ![unclear]/!+ 7:24 =yeah find it and text me or message me in skype group because i don't want to look at the system there um okay so while you're getting that i'm just going to go back over to the [pause] [screen change] i think we're okay i think we're good with surnames i think it's more the first names [pause] um still that can sometimes be a little bit challenging so let's um let's run through again from the top here um so [anon_$009] do you want to start [screen scroll] i'll leave in the pronunciation column and we can hide it we'll go down a second time so if we go in the same order again um with [anon_$009] first [pause] 8:00 okay that's thomas 8:02 yeah so it can be thomas or tomás so see there with the [screen scroll] fod=the accent on the a that's like that it's an irish version of thomas um so it's like kind of almost um: emphasis on the on the latter part of the word so it's tomás but thomas you know i'd say a lot of people that are called tomas are called thomas sometimes as well so yeah it can be either or so okay next 8:30 stephen 8:32 niall 8:34 keith 8:36 eoin [pause] 8:36 seán 8:38 cian 8:45 ian 8:47 noel 8:50 colm 8:50 [noise] aidan 8:54 donal [pause] 8:57 adrian 9:01 graham 9:04 [pause] padraig 9:05 yeah 9:05 padraig 9:06 it can be either or but padraig [breath in] more so with+ 9:10 =padraig 9:10 +that spelling sometimes it can be spelled pac [pause] i think pac raic maybe or something like that but yeah padraig is is the more common pronunciation of this spelling yeah okay 9:25 cathal 9:27 seamus 9:28 just move this down here [screen scroll] okay next [pause] 9:34 enda 9:37 eamonn 9:39 eoin [pause] 9:43 diarmuid 9:46 eugene [pause] 9:48 connor [pause] 9:50 hugh 9:53 fergal 9:56 colin 9:58 padraic 10:00 uh jerry 10:03 gary [pause] 10:06 richard 10:08 des 10:09 it's it's slightly different it's des [pause] 10:13 des 10:16 tadhg 10:18 darragh [screen scroll] 10:19 very good okay next [pause] 10:25 fion 10:26 fionn so um 10:28 fionn 10:29 yeah the the phonetic might be a little um confusing fionn yeah try it again [anon_$014] was it 10:37 fionn 10:41 uh monica 10:41 monica yeah [pause] 10:45 anthony 10:47 joseph 10:49 micheal 10:49 very good [pause] 10:50 [noise] phelim or phaylim 10:54 [tech noise] cilian 10:54 cilian kill ee an cillian 10:59 cillian 10:59 cillian yeah try it again 11:03 okay [pause] cillian [pause] 11:07 charlotte [pause] 11:10 shane 11:13 antoine 11:15 yeah yep that was very good guys very good [screen scroll] um i'll just hide the column [screen change] and we'll go down quickly through it one more time this time starting with [anon_$011] so same order but [anon_$011] first [screen scroll] 11:30 thomas 11:31 or tomás yeah 11:33 tomas yeah 11:35 steven 11:37 niall 11:39 keith 11:40 [pause] eoin [tech noise] 11:49 sean [pause] 11:51 kieran 11:54 ian 11:54 [tech noise] noel 12:02 colm 12:04 aidan 12:06 donal 12:09 adrian 12:11 graham 12:11 [breath in] padraig 12:17 cathal [noise] 12:22 [screen scroll] [pause] seamus [tech noise] 12:26 enda 12:30 eamonn 12:30 eamonn yeah did you say you said eamon i think i think it's just your line quality isn't great 12:35 yeah 12:35 okay yeah go ahead next [pause] 12:38 eoin 12:40 diarmuid 12:42 eugene 12:45 connor 12:47 hugh 12:50 feargal or fergal 12:52 yeah so it's it's it's more fergal um kind of like lose the a so it's fergal but it's just there are two different spellings so fergal [pause] could you say it one more time yeah 13:03 okay fergal fergal 13:07 uh collin 13:10 padraic 13:11 [pause] gerry 13:17 gary 13:19 richard 13:22 des 13:25 tadhg 13:26 try it again 13:28 tadhg [screen scroll] 13:29 [pause] yeah very good nearly there [screen scroll] okay next 13:37 fionn 13:39 donnacha 13:41 anthony 13:44 joseph [noise] 13:46 micheal 13:48 phelim 13:50 killian 13:53 gerard 13:53 [pause] shane 13:59 antoine 14:02 gareth 14:02 this one is is slightly it's antoine antoine 14:13 antoine 14:09 yeah okay yeah okay very good very good i think there's great progress there [screen change] from a few months ago um so let me look at this area that uh [anon_$010] wanted us to 14:13 uh looks more of a property address 14:21 yeah killtullagh killtullagh [screen change] is the is the um area there so i'll just add it to the sheet here [screen change] [pause] um kill [pause] one second now killtullagh but like we had the [screen change] the second part of the address is our athenry [screen change] [screen scroll] so we would have had that but the killtullagh part was obviously a little bit difficult killtullagh so notice you don't pronounce the g basically is that that okay [anon_$010] 14:55 yeah 14:56 okay very good anyone anything any other one that they are having difficulty with [pause] unknown 15:01 uh no no [anon_$008] 15:08 well look if you do you know you can message me anyway uh so that's it i think we made great progress there i think the names um we're very very good at now because we've just active use of them every day but i think that it's like uh you know like [anon_$010] gave that suggestion here because it was a new address because we've moved into a new area uh they're going to you know there's probably new ones going to crop up a little bit more um in the next few weeks and so on [breath in] so uh yeah great progress and um all very good so any any any other comments or anything [pause] unknown 15:18 no that's all 15:38 no [anon_$008] okay good stuff okay well look i'll let you go guys [screen change] and um have a good day and thanks very much unknown 15:51 thanks [anon_$008] thanks [anon_$008] thanks [anon_$008] 15:52 [screen change] [screen share stop] transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 arising from the minutes of the last meeting [pause] um and just to say as well that we're being live s= that there's a recording in progress uh there's no motions today um is there a volunteer to be vice chair in case my broadband goes down 0:20 i can do if you if mine stays up [laugh] 0:22 that's great thanks [anon_$032] okay so uh [anon_$042] we'll head to you for um an update on the draft [anon_pl1] development plan um 2022 to 2028 so you've the floor [anon_$042] whenever you're ready [pause] [tech noise] is [anon_$042] with us [pause] 0:51 she doesn't appear to be i'll run down the corridor and see where she is 0:56 okay good to see the remote working is over there your end as well um [anon_$034] can i go to to you for the [anon_pr19] which i know will really form a lot of our workload for the next couple of months 1:08 yeah happy to to take that item+ 1:10 =great thanks 1:11 um so there's a a report in uh the [anon_inst81] agenda pack uh so this is i suppose an opportunity uh with our first meeting of the year to talk about the role uh we'll play as an [anon_inst91] in relation to the development of a new [anon_pr19] uh it will cover a period of of six years and it's it's a statutory uh document that it's like a sister document to the [anon_pr20] um so the the role of it is to promote and support economic development and the local and community development of each local authority area by both the local authority itself but also in partnership with a wide range of economic and community uh development stakeholders uh and it's part of the overall um uh national transformation set out in [anon_pr21] so we developed our first plan for the 2016 to 2021 [sneeze] period um so the process before us now uh will involve um looking at the socio economic profile updates since the census data very much underpins uh these plans so the first plan was based on 2011 census data which will be reviewed for 2016 and we're aware there will be a delay with the next uh census but once that data is available it will be used as a review of of the new plan um so the [anon_inst82] and the [anon_inst83] were both involved in the development of more detailed guidelines that will support uh uh strategic policy committees and the local community development committees who take the lead role [pause] on the development of the plans in how to uh proceed uh so there is um a need for us now to to form an advisory steering group uh made up of membership of um the strategic policy committee of the [anon_inst84] and it's also open uh to um bringing in external stakeholders if um it's felt that they would have a significant uh contribution uh to make um so we've we've had um the the guidelines are now available and and they're up on the [anon_ws10] website there was a briefing in december on how they are to be uh applied so the the next steps uh will be that the the chair of our uh [anon_inst91] will will talk to the chair of the [anon_inst84] and uh will agree the the uh the approach to the formation of the advisory steering group again the guidelines have information on how the the membership should be selected for that and then that will start the process then um it's it's a six stage process but the the first four stages will involve uh preparation public consultation development of the high level goals uh objectives and outcomes and finalization of the [anon_pr19] one of the changes in the guidelines uh this time is that as well as developing the strategic plan we'll also be developing an action plan that will cover the first two years uh of the [anon_pr19] and both documents need to be prepared uh for uh for 2023 um so uh so i suppose we're we're underway uh now uh with the work and uh there's a role set out in it uh for the advisory steering group and and the critical role that they'll play and i suppose they'll also be the communication link between the work of of our strategic policy committee and uh the [anon_inst84] so the guidelines set out that some of the uh objectives will be shared between community and economic some will be pure economic and some will be pure uh community and as well as then shaping the plan we'll have a role in in overseeing uh the implementation of the actions to deliver on on the high level goals uh so it's i suppose we're better supported this time around with the guidelines the first year uh there was less um detailed information a= available but i suppose this commences the process the [anon_inst84] are meeting uh with a workshop on wednesday of this week uh so the chairs of both groups probably meet soon after that and it'll certainly be a big part of our work program for the year ahead and and will continue to be an agenda item subject to the um agreement of of the members for for future uh meetings so that concludes the report 5:18 thanks [anon_$034] it's great to see you back in the [anon_pl43] as well um is there any hands [pause] up for questions comments uh [anon_$035] 5:29 yeah just to say i was just uh hello to everybody and happy new year um but just to say i was just reading um the document on the [anon_inst22] just before lunch so it was just striking me too because that document mentioned the advisory subcommittee as well might be an idea i'm sure it's already been thought of [anon_$034] anyway to have maybe a member from that office [breath in] on the [anon_inst90] as well because there seems to be a bit of overlap and overlay there [pause] 5:59 [anon_$034] 5:59 uh yeah thanks [anon_$035] uh yeah we'd be happy to to take any suggestions and and then uh through the the chairs we can um get a way forward then the advice is that you know it's good to have input on that group but to keep the numbers to a manageable level because they'll probably need need to meet fairly frequently to to move the work forward 6:20 uh councillor [anon_$036] 6:22 uh go raibh maith agut thanks for the report um [breath in] so so this correct me if i'm wrong this is our second this would be our second uh go at this [breath in] is there any evaluation available as to what practical uh impact or usefulness was in the first run because i have to say i'm always very wary of a lot of the stuff like this that comes from the department that comes from central government a lot of it looks like keeping us busy and you know keeping the [pause] the cogs moving but not necessarily producing anything practical or any benefit in the lives of citizens in the city um i'd be interested to see if there's any analysis or any uh outcome uh from the first plan or is it just uh sitting on a shelf uh now to be updated and to take up a lot of time of our uh staff and counselors and people who might make an input into it um i think it'd be interesting to see that before we embark on another uh exercise of this kind sinn é 7:37 thanks i'll go to councillor [anon_$032] and then councillor [anon_$037] and [anon_$034] i'll go back to then at that point councillor [anon_$032] 7:43 yeah i just i suppose we will be getting um the city [anon_pr20] which i think this really is something that should be feeding into it if we were going to have you know um you know uh economic development and enterprise we need to have the spaces and we need to if we're looking for the 15 minute city we need to be looking that people are living and working you know as close as possible so when we're looking at the [anon_pr20] we really should be looking to make sure that there are enterprise spaces and there are spaces um you know and where there's a lack of that in in particular locations that we don't have everybody traveling into the city center necessarily for for work um they could be traveling into the city center for for leisure and culture and other and and and retail but um uh working uh closer to their home so i just think that this is something really um you know i'm welcome the fact that there's you've going to look at how to set it up and everything i'm just concerned that the the implementation of it might be a bit late you know in the day because we'll have already put together um you know and prioritized where we're putting local um action plans and you know and the mix that we have um and i just think you know maybe this is something that we should be looking for for part of from our strategic policy committee to implement in the development plan um at this stage really so um so i welcome this i'm just wondering how we're going to actually implement it um in the in the timeframe that is is here um you know with the period covering six years thank you 9:14 thanks i go to councillor [anon_$037] and then back to [anon_$034] and if anyone else wants to come in at that point we'll keep going councillor [anon_$037] 9:19 thank you thank you very much chair um thank you for the report i very much um agree with councillor [anon_$036] i think it would be very useful if we could have an independent evaluation which actually gives us an opportunity to look at what else we could be doing or the effectiveness of what's been done to date so i would very much support what he said um have uh i had difficulty getting in there i was held up really is [anon_$040]'s report coming we haven't dealt with that yet i hope 9:51 no so no not yet um 9:54 ![unclear]/! and the other question is that i'm trying everything in relation to item seven on the agenda uh [anon_$045]'s report where we got a separate email to say that the separate i have looked at everything and i can't find any attachment [pause] with that to so i don't know is that just me uh if there is an attachment of maybe could come separately so that i could read it uh but any of the emails i've got no matter what i try the ipad or the the laptop or whatever i don't seem to be able to find uh a report thank you 10:28 okay thanks councillor [anon_$037] can someone undertake maybe to just email that attachment again to to all of us [anon_$038] did you want to come in there is your hand up 10:37 uh yeah chair yeah if i could just come in for a sec there just to say uh on the [anon_pr19] the previous one it was reported to this committee on a regular basis but we actually completed all the actions uh bar i think one and that one was held up because of i think it was a tourism one and it just got delayed but uh it was reported and all the actions were completed on the economic side we don't have a report on the community side but i know the le= the [anon_inst84] uh it it reports into there on the [anon_inst84] side which is the community side 11:12 thanks for that clarification [anon_$038] [anon_$034] do you want to come in on on anything else 11:17 um yeah maybe just uh to respond to the questions uh councillor [anon_$036] had asked about the evaluation so as it set out in the guidelines the the key way they want the reports evaluated is based on the updated census data and the socio economic profiles and and councillor [anon_$037] spoken about independent analysis we did commission [anon_inst85] to update the socio economic profiles based on the 2016 census data and i think that might be certainly information we're happy to share it with the full [anon_inst91] but will be shared with the advisory group uh but if the advisory group felt there was a need uh to commission further evaluation or analytics that could be examined at the advisory group uh and then in relation to the work with the [anon_pr20] this document is is understood to be a sister document to the [anon_pr20] and it would certainly take cognizance of that document and a wide range of national and local documents uh in its in its formulation um but it it is i suppose addressing some of the common issues such as housing and and the impact of climate on the city but it's i suppose approaching it through an economic and community lens so there will be different stakeholders and different actions uh that would be supported uh by the plan um so it certainly needs to be cognizant of all of the other work underway uh but it it has a slightly different statutory roles than the the [anon_pr20] um and uh i think that addresses the questions i hope thank you 12:43 thanks [anon_$034] uh welcome councillor [anon_$042] i just saw saw you come in there councillor [anon_$037] you have your hand up do you want to come back in 12:49 i just want to to s= to know who is this advisory group and who's on it um and the second question is sure= surely there's no reason why members of the [anon_inst91] should not be able to get a copy of that uh evaluation report i mean as members of the [anon_inst91] we should we should have access to it so i'm suggesting that we do get a copy those of us who asked for it or anyone who wants it please 13:13 very well imagine there'd be no difficulty with a copy of that does anybody else want to come in before i go back to [anon_$040] [pause] okay [anon_$040] we'll get back to you for the update in respect of the [anon_pr20] you've the floor 13:28 thank you um hang on i'll just try and share my screen give me a minute now pat= i get it right 13:35 take your time [pause] [screen share start] 13:40 is it up 13:42 it is thanks [anon_$040] 13:43 great grand [laugh] you always have that moment of panic don't you whenever you're doing anything online um to do with technology um thanks very much for giving me the time um i know this is an extremely busy [anon_inst91] and i'll try and fly through it and give more time as possible to questions so [slide change] [breath in] um i suppose we're just at a key point in the [anon_pr20] process we're halfway through and we're in the middle of our public consultation on the draft plan so it's a critical point in the in the entire two year timeline and i suppose i just wanted to use the opportunity presented by the [anon_inst91] to to i suppose draw your attention to the draft and to draw your attention to some of the issues that are in it in relation particularly to the issues that are uh personal to the [anon_inst91] and to i suppose give people the opportunity to consider whether they wish through their organizations to make a submission on the draft plan at this stage so um where we're at i suppose just quick background um this time last year we had our pre draft consultation process when uh we a lot of organizations um made submissions we got over 700 submissions from the public and a range of different organizations which was great it was much higher than normal and following that there were over 1000 strategic directions made by the elected members with regard to the content of the draft plan all of which have been inputted into the policies objectives included in the text um and following the production of the draft plan in the end of the summer the draft plan was debated by the elected members and over 300 motions were considered um all of which made changes to the draft plan so that's just a very short snapshot [slide change] of where we are where we were and how we've got so to where we are now uh just i suppose in the overall context of what the draft plan is looking at i'm going to just do a quick run through the chapters and then focus in on the economic stuff um the population targets some of this is just for your reading for yourselves when you have the presentation circulated i don't want to bore you to death with numbers but the aim of the plan we're required under the uh the [anon_pr23] to provide approximately 40000 residential units to be available to be built um during the lifetime of the plan and we've gone through all the numbers looked at what's granted what's built what's owned what capacities are on all the different areas and we are uh well assured that we have the capacity to deliver that and more we have capacity to deliver deliver just around the 50000 units which gives a 20% approximate headroom for the lifetime of the plan which would be considered uh normal [slide change] um that's just a map we're required to produce a map of the core strategy showing the key areas where i suppose significant volumes of housing are likely to be built during the lifetime of the plan and they're all the strategic regeneration areas that are in the draft plan um that's not to say that there isn't housing being delivered across the city as part of an overall infill regeneration intensification and delivering that whole vision of a [anon_pr89] and getting more people within walking and cycling distance of key urban villages and places of [side change] employment [breath in] the cha= the [anon_pr18] has a new chapter on climate action and i suppose pulling together a lot of the strands that run through the text um and it provides i suppose a coherent vision as to what the plan is trying to do in relation to climate action climate resilience and climate response so there is a requirement for uh energy statements as part of uh major applications there's policies and renewable energy policies on sustainable energy particularly supporting the [anon_pr24] that [anon_pl42] is trying to get off the ground uh issu= there's clarity and support for uh the decarbonisation zones that are now uh i suppose being rolled out on waste management circular economy and particularly on green infrastructure and then i suppose this is the whole thing about that chapter kind of laces back into all the other chapters as well there's green infrastructure policies in this that tie in support what's happening in other parts of the [anon_pl18] um on sustainable transport motor electric vehicles and again that ties into the development management standards that are in chapter 15 about how many you know about the charging points that require so making it very clear to those who are building what's going to be required in the next once the plan is in place and then also in relation to built environment policies on sustainable building retrofitting and reuse of buildings [slide change] all of which part of our response chapter four deals with the shape and the structure of the city where and this is very much i suppose a team that came through very strongly in the submissions that we got iss= issues of quality density and a mixed use approach and i suppose that ties back to the point uh just made there in the meeting about ensuring that we provide spaces for all types of uses within within each of the suburbs suburbs areas so there's greater use say of this at 10 zoning policy which requires a mixed use of approach for large scale uh uh regeneration land [breath in] um compact growth to be promoted through infill and consolidation and through brownfield development so all of the key policies that support that set out that agenda within the [anon_pr18] and the vision that we're trying to achieve the importance of the urban villages has been i suppose a a much stronger emphasis on urban villages in this plan than previous plans and particularly the [anon_pr89] and the importance of getting local employment into urban villages which wasn't there i suppose as strongly before in the plan so that's something we've worked to try and improve and we've changed the zoning policies to to take that into account um managing height um and using criteria based approach in response to the government guidelines and there's quite a lot of detail on that in appendix three if you're interested and then the whole strategic development and regeneration areas and setting of quite detailed principles about how these areas will be developed out over their lifetime um including dealing with the issue of height [slide change] intensification um housing and sustainable neighborhoods is chapter five and it's i suppose that whole tying in community and housing together and recognizing that you shouldn't be dealing with these issues on kind of an individual basis again very much the strong theme of [anon_pr89] healthy places making making encouraging people to and giving people the opportunity to choose to to walk and cycle to places and again regeneration consolidation social inclusion and housing and there's a range of new policies there in relation to i suppose housing for a for a wider range of people within our communities and a specific policy about older people about universal design and housing for people with disabilities and then alongside that we also have policies on what is i suppose a new development model that has emerged in the lifetime of this plan which is [anon_pr90] and there were a locational criteria around that looking at areas uh i suppose requiring them to uh within areas of high employment and areas where there's significant transportation connections and there was a presumption against very large scale residential developments to be [anon_pr90a] because it will create an unsustainable community um and we've also been looking at ensuring that the design of the apartments that are built are both be= you know that they aren't all just built to one typology that they're built to the uh built to sell standard as well so that in the long term the community has the ability to provide a a quality mix um and range of apartments um because all apartments obviously are gonna be around for 100 years plus you know so i mean it's looking at that long term uh issue of how we deliver regeneration and then discouraging [anon_pr90a] accommodation of less than 100 units because they don't have the capacity to provide and support the uh range of community facilities that are required under the the guidelines [slide change] [pause] city economy and retail um [breath in] i suppose just say that everything that we've written in the plan complies with the [anon_pr25] for [anon_pl44] and the strategic employment areas that are outlined in that and again this ties back into the climate change element supporting the key economic sectors are there um there's a section on tourism accommodation um i suppose recognizing the importance of tourism to the city but also how we need to balance some of the particular pressure points that have emerged during the lifetime of this plan particularly hotel accommodation and then there are criteria around that um the data centers are covered um we have i suppose we've we use the ban= a report that we commissioned um that examines a whole retail issue that has input it into how the policies in retail have been formed so we've um it's looking at diversifying the city center and as as was mentioned in the meeting d= you know encouraging people to come into the city for a wide range of reasons and of which retail will benefit from so the i suppose pushing forward the cultural issue um and the events and and you know improvements to public realm all of which encourage a greater footfall and and longer stay within the city center [breath in] um and then recategorisation of some of the category one and two streets so there are a kind of um detailed changes to the text to uh to take on board some of the issues that came through in the study [slide change] and then we have a new chapter chapter 12 on culture um again i suppose to i suppose to recognize this was a big issue that came out in the submissions and we wanted to reflect that in the text so we have um policies on a a range of cultural quarters uh in across the city including [anon_pl45] and there's a whole range of them there there's one in [anon_pl46] so it's just to give you a selection of different ones to have a look at uh key cultural activities uh looking at po= policy regarding the protection of venues for space uh for music dance rehearsal requiring the provision of cultural facilities of major regeneration and support for an irish language quarter and the use of the irish language and support for the traditional arts [slide change] uh zoning and develop management we've done a comprehensive review of the zoning map so there's been quite a number of changes i suppose the biggest ones i mean there's a lot of change which is just i suppose recognizing what's been built out and allowing it to evolve into a standard zoning um there has been a change a significant change to wha=what is called the [anon_pl174] so there's clear criteria around when residential development be considered it's a lot more uh stricter than it was previous and there was a much greater emphasis on the importance of of protecting uh [anon_pl174] lands for community infrastructure recognizing that the population increase in the city is going to create demand for greater community infrastructure particularly within the school sector so it's ensuring that when we meet our 2040 figures that we have the accommodation and the space to provide the schools that are needed to support that population increase um as i mentioned as they attend the mixed use philosophy is trying to expand that and ensure that where people live and where they work and where they engage in leisure activities and uh and other activities that there are within their doorstep uh the employment zone is a lot more focused as an outcome of the study that was done and during the lifetime of the last plan and we've updated a range of development standards and we've put in new guidance around dual aspect and sunlight and daylight to ensure that the quality that we all expect of apartments is there and delivered so [slide change] that's just a list of the uh regeneration areas across the city um we've added a couple of new ones [anon_pl46] which is kind of more of a historic one rather than say major scale regeneration but i suppose it's recognizing the really important uh role of that historic area particularly with city walls and i suppose the the proactive approach [anon_inst86] is taking with that area in partnership with the [anon_inst87] and uh [pause] i can't remember off the top of me head now what other ones are there but we've we've updated all of the others in line with um work that's been done during the lifetime of the current plan [slide change] and i suppose just in summary just to say what's particularly interesting to yourselves is a more focused approach to the industrial zoning and greater use of mixed use regeneration zoning within the plan to try and ensure that diversity uh with as as areas of regeneration evolve stronger emphasis on the city center as a destination and trying to support this whole concept of multi use trips into the city center um to and to you know support the food and beverage sector and the cultural sector in in in driving that and the importance of making the city an attractive place to work and to seeking to preserve and regenerate spaces within the city for enterprise the expansion of [anon_pl47] into the new [anon_pl47] sdz which will provide i suppose significant floorplace for uh for fdi particularly and uh and enterprise uh within the [anon_pl47] area so it's building on its successes there and expanding the role of urban villages and places of employment recognizing what we've learned from covid and from uh the submissions that we've received so [slide change] oops sorry uh that's the website all of the information um regarding [anon_pr18] including some of the background papers um are there on that um there's also slots for people who can book if they want to talk to somebody if they're looking for advice um and the closing date is valentine's day handy date to remember um mentally in your head and if you've any questions on that sorry for that speedy flight through but i know you're under pressure so so [screen share stop] 25:25 [anon_$040] terrific thanks so much so clear and and comprehensive so i'll go to councillor [anon_$037] councillor [anon_$041] and then councillor [anon_$042] and if any other hands come up in the interim but [anon_$040] you might come back after those three speakers um and then we'll go to councillor [anon_$031] councillor [anon_$037] 25:41 well uh chair thank you very much and thank you particularly to uh uh [anon_$040] uh for her work it's always very reassuring to see um uh [anon_$040] being involved in work uh from the planning department she's a very experienced um uh senior planner and uh she's always anything she's done for the [anon_inst86] has always been well done so i want to acknowledge that and say thank you very much [anon_$040] um uh they're just one or two questions i'd like to to ask just in making a statement just on that as well i think it's extremely important today that we acknowledge and appreciate the um uh statement in the [anon_inst88] today um in relation to us [anon_inst89] and [anon_fn85] [anon_sn24] our city planner uh has done in relation to um um uh blocks that uh you know the percentage of um um larger apartments uh that you can only have a certain number of uh uh build to let and uh uh bedsitters and i think that is something that is very very constructive and very very welcome um and i'd like to even propose that we might uh uh agree um a vote of thanks to both of them that we might send on if people agree with me on that um i'd like to ask a question i have to confess now this question i suppose really the question should be more strictly in relation to the economic paper but i'll be very quick um that uh in the adaptation for older people you mention about disabled but we're talking about adaptation in houses for older people whether it's you know having everything downstairs and letting upstairs or whatever um which maximizes the use of housing and keeps people uh in their homes and so forth and we're having a presentation on that at our next um age friendly meeting next week if anybody's interested in that and the next couple of weeks that's coming on which i think could be very um useful for us to know about and can i just say that i am delighted about the tightening up with the [anon_pl174] and the community the 25% community allowance i mean there have been so many opportunities lost uh and that's all very welcome so it's in in short i'm saying thanks very much to the [anon_inst92] chair [breath in] 28:02 thanks thanks councillor [anon_$037] uh easy one there to get back to [anon_$040] i'll go to councillor [anon_$041] first and then councillor [anon_$042] [pause] [tech noise] [pause] 28:08 uh thanks [anon_$040] um [anon_$040] just one of the things i've noted that i've gone through a bit of the uh documents online when i know it's not um within the scope of [anon_inst86] one of the things i was concerned with was a detail in relation to the transport needs i just don't think when you take into consideration the development of areas and certainly in my own area the biggest lack of [pause] resources is transport it wouldn't be as big an issue at the moment in my area if there was transport and proper infrastructure such as schools etc um how are we addressing the transport needs in relation to developing these large areas especially um the ones that you've got on the list um ones in my own area but i do notice that on another list you have [anon_pl48] which has um had 8000 units across the two council areas and it's not on the main list which i just find a little concerning and secondly in relation to areas where there's large developments and they're crossing uh border lines be= between different councils such as [anon_pl49] where um it's it would have um impact in relation to [anon_pl50] is there liaison with the other county councils to assure that we're uh linking up with each other to ensure that there's proper development across the two county councils thank you 29:44 thanks councillor [anon_$041] [pause] 29:49 thanks very much uh cathaoirleach um agus go raibh maith agut [anon_$040] as ocht an ![unclear]! um traithnona [anon_$040] is there is there an item um in chapter well i presume chapter five or chapter three explaining or defining what the [anon_pr89] is um it's it's it's it's i suppose it's on a separate issue then it's the if there is can you just tell me where it is if there isn't can you can you explain it um or show me where i can read it um to help me with my submissions um it goes without saying that i think all of us bar none on the [anon_pl86] uh is not in favor of the [anon_pr90] that seems to be taking over uh certainly we've a huge amount of it in the [anon_pl51] and in particular uh in in um on [anon_pl52] and uh there's there's an application for like a really small [anon_pr90] unit across the road from me here on [anon_pl53] in [anon_pl54] which was a really shocking um um uh proposal and i'm hoping that [anon_inst94] will refuse it but um in terms of uh what you said there in relation to uh uh what we're proposing in our draft uh that numbers under the figure of 100 will be discouraged because of you gave a short um reason for that i wonder can you give me that just uh verbally again what is the reason for it i know that there there's the spec is really poor uh in terms of of of the [anon_pr90] when you compare it to non [anon_pr90] and then finally um is is is it a case that um government regulations like what happened in 2018 when our [anon_pr26] was thrown out the window uh when it came to height and density uh will will will it be the case that if and when we approve our [anon_pr26] to include the discouragement of the [anon_pr89] schemes uh will it be the case that government rules uh could override that again thanks very much [anon_$040] [pause] 32:04 thanks thanks councillor [anon_$042] [anon_$040] i'll let you in there for those three questions 32:11 okay and um thanks to councillor [anon_$037] for her praise i have to say [laugh] i didn't write it on my own so um there's a a large team uh not that large but a very dedicated team that uh put a huge amount of work into this plan and uh i don't want to take credit on me own uh 32:27 we do recognize your guiding hand [anon_$040] 32:29 thanks [laugh] ah stop thanks a million um just i suppose just um in relation to the percentage i mean yeah that's something that i suppose we've been clear about and that we've been upfront as to our reasons and the importance of sustainable development for the city in relation to [anon_pr90a] any pendulum swing to one particular housing model and delivering only that and that's the current trend we have is not a sustainable form so we are looking we are not and i suppose there's been a little bit of misrepresentation of the information in the press um we= council has no uh legal right nor is it seeking to to specify who can buy units it's just requiring that the design and the forum as a development is is is more flexible and will stand the test of time so that when um yes obviously if they're built to to built to sell standard they can be bought by one individual uh fund and unless um but in 20 years time or whenever they you know that housing stock will at least be suitable to evolve into a long term housing model and that's what we're seeking to achieve um as regards the the question as regards older people um yes there is an objective i can't put my finger on it right now but there is a specific objective we had a sorry that's very noisy outside here and there's we had discussions with our architect team about that whole concept of house of kind of splitting houses and allowing say the top half and how the whole i think i've forgotten the phrase there was a name on it abhaile wasn't it that's what the original model was called and we have policies in to support that and to recognize how uh i suppose how beneficial it is within the community both in keeping people at home and giving them choice and giving them an alternative income and in providing you know a denser form of use of an existing stock that we have i mean it ticks all the boxes from a sustainable planning point of view so there is a specific paragraph and a policy to support that in the plan if um i know there are other challenges outside of planning but planning uh is clearly in support of it so um in relation to councillor [anon_$041]'s question on transport i mean absolutely i mean transport and land use are hand in glove with each other um and we have and it's i suppose a benefit and a challenge that we have is that the [anon_inst95] strategy is currently under preparation and they have published their draft at the same time as our draft is is on is on display and [anon_inst86] has made clear to the [anon_inst95] that we seek that there is significant investment made in [anon_pl42] during the lifetime of their strategy in relation to public transport both in relation to [anon_pr27] um which is a key project will hopefully deliver during the lifetime of plan but also some of the major uh rail projects um the light rail and heavy rail whether it's um upgrading the dart services um or expanding luas to [anon_pl55] or on all of these projects that we want to see significant progress made um we're also uh i suppose working very very closely with the [anon_inst95] as regards delivering a significant investmentsduring the lifespan of the plan on cycling infrastructure and improvements to public realm to make it much easier for people to get around and to build those connections that are needed to give people the quick route to different places across the city um and to offer them that alternative and obviously that doesn't suit everybody so we're looking at all of those issues and we are continually working with the [anon_inst95] and i suppose that in some ways answers the second question because the [anon_inst95] strategy is designed to be across [anon_pl42] it doesn't look at i suppose it doesn't look at [anon_pl42] with the council boundaries on it it does studies along corridors and when you read each you can see how they've kind of done a big study on the [anon_pl56] corridor particularly which is one that we asked them at their pre draft stage to have a specific and very focused look at because we were very conscious of the pressures that are coming on certain particular corridors with regards to the scale of development that's been granted so we've we did ask them to do a very detailed review of the [anon_pl56] corridor as well as um looking obviously at [anon_pl55] as well and a few others so um so i suppose the [anon_inst95] ourselves um and the [anon_inst96] as a group would meet to discuss issues as regards how cross boundary issues are working and also how how we work together to deliver the the [anon_pr28] because it is it is inherent in all of the bodies involved in that to deliver that and i suppose our [anon_pr26] as part of that the [anon_inst95] strategy as part of that but when also i suppose just to reassure you when we do get into the nitty gritty of dealing with very specific local plans we do uh absolutely as a courtesy and as a as a key piece of ensuring that these plans are deliverable we would engage in discussions with both their planning and their engineering teams um as regards a whole range of issues both transport drainage biodiversity and getting the green corridors right um and and all that kind of movement and how it would work out so it is an in a key part of of preparing that plan so it is suppose at a strategic level and and at a local level we will work very closely with our sister authorities and continue that conversation and and if there are issues to be raised they can be brought up and resolved at the um at the regional level um display uh explain [anon_pr89] i'm sure it's in there i'll have to email you i can't remember off the top my head exactly where i'll come back to you on that um [pause] and i suppose um just the whole issue of the under 100 i suppose one of the things that the guidelines say about um [anon_pr90a] is that you're allowed the developers are allowed to reduce the amount of storage space um private amenity space um and you know ge= oth= all the spa= was and the overall standard of the and on the basis that they provide quality communal space so that could be like kind of a you know a a large room where people could maybe work from because they wouldn't have the space maybe to have an office in their in their apartment um or places where they could have like you know family events [pause] uh providing those type of spaces obviously cost money and they obviously cost money in the long term to run and to manage successfully so if you have a very small management company they are not going to be big enough to support the running and the management and the continuous maintenance of a range of quality communal spaces and that is the reason why we don't support smaller spaces the same applies to student accommodation when they're built at a very small standard they don't work very well they don't meet the needs of the individuals and it it does it's no point in building [anon_pr90a] when it's that small a scheme it's much better that they're built as private apartments with the correct standard of facilities with the correct amount of private open space because they'll never support a high range of communal open space with the management fees that they're going to collect so that's basically in a nutshell why why we don't support that i suppose that's i suppose bringing to bear the experience of development management over the number of years to see where where issues have arisen and then in relation to government guidelines and will they override that i suppose that's that's uh at the moment everything that we have written and the way we have written it as far as uh i suppose in our professional opinion is is that we have not breached any government guidelines we have written it to achieve the goals that we wish to seek that you as a council have presented to us and the the agenda that you want this [anon_pr26] to drive the whole issue of sustainable city um and we have written them um okay we sail close the wind on some of the issues as regards to the standards but we aspire but uh we are 100% of the view that everything that we have written is in compliance with the guidelines and uh we will defend it on that basis so uh but um i you know we remain to be to see what the response of the [anon_inst97] will be in relation to the draft plan and we will take their advice when we get to that so it is i suppose we we we will argue the site so if there's any other further questions and if i've missed anything apologies come back to me 39:54 =there is yeah i'm going to bring in another three speakers now [anon_$040] which is given that these are very technical questions and obviously very important councillor [anon_$037] councillor [anon_$041] councillor [anon_$042] do you want to come back in on anything [pause] councillor [anon_$042] 40:06 yeah just to pick up on the last uh chair the last thing that [anon_$040] mentioned there in terms of the reasons behind the discouragement of the under 100 because of experience of [anon_inst93] in relation to management uh funds etc not being able to support those communal facilities going forward is that in compliance then with the regulation that's set out around [anon_pr90a] by government 40:33 [anon_pr90a] is silent the the guidelines are silent on that issue i assume so from that point of view they haven't directed us not to [pause] say so so we're going to we've put that in because it's based on the the research and the knowledge that we have anyway yeah 40:48 =thank you very much go raibh maith agut [pause] 40:53 okay um councillor [anon_$032] and [anon_$043] uh councillor [anon_$032] 40:58 yeah uh um thank you [anon_$040] for for the presentation and and um you got you got a lot in [laugh] very quickly um and i know we we we've had had an opportunity um to to submit and we will have again um i suppose i just wanted to ask about um you mentioned the [anon_pl174] and the changes in that but um the [anon_pl174] i suppose i wanted to see what the differences now is the [anon_pl175] basically effectively what the [anon_pl174] was except you need to put some sort of a master plan in to show where the 20% um you know green space are being kept so really what what what is the i suppose what is the difference in in the between the [anon_pl175] and what was the [anon_pl174] um and just to sort of explain that a a bit clearer and um the strategic development zones i mean they still need to be agreed with in terms of of of government and we've had difficulties with those before we've had all the consultation and we've put in great plans and then found ourselves in court uh [anon_inst86] so how can we make sure that that doesn't happen really that you know um there's no sort of you know i suppose you know time wasting and money wasting that ends up um in in the court um and i think the most important thing he said was about the mix you know [anon_pr89] um having that mix and how do we make sure and ensure that we have because of planning applications come in like obviously the development plan has a plan and a vision for the whole of the city and areas but [pause] planning applications come in different landowners own different parcels of land and they come in piecemeal how can we manage because particularly with local area plans they seem to be a long time in the making you know what i mean you've got lists of local area plans i mean you know you don't seem to don't have the resources to bring those in it'd be ideal if we did have local area plans for everywhere so we could then as applications came in we can say how do they fit into the jigsaw and can we influence them to make sure that they all come up with the mix that we want um so i suppose i just wanted to ask how can we s= be assured of that because you can say alright maybe there's an over proliferation of hotels and yet you see that still getting planning permission you go well why did that happen if you're saying there's an over proliferation of hotels in a particular area so it's i'm just you know um i suppose i'm conscious of the mix would be ideal but how do we how do we achieve that thanks 43:24 thanks [anon_$043] 43:26 yeah no i just want to look uh a bit at the industrial side and employment side um a a lot of the industry that we have dotted particularly around the fringes of the city and indeed quite bits in in the city as well are quite old and underutilized um you know you you look at the kind of [anon_inst108] and the the other parks on the south side of the city um and indeed some of the retail parks that we have which have just one single uh usage um and that seems to me to be a bit of a waste of space um how are we going to plan for a future economic development and bring employment into local areas i mean local areas used to be vibrant with kind of employment uh at the moment it's about people moving and living in one place and moving into another which is not exactly what we want to do in planning and it's probably the more much more difficult to do in in the current framework um i know you know that there is um resistance to some of the uh uh plans that wha= we we have for for changing some of the uh council lands um [breath in] from industrial to kind of residential is there a way of kind of mixing that or are we taking some of the industrial that we have and putting it completely somewhere else i i i don't get that sense inside the [anon_pr26] [pause] yeah 44:50 thanks [anon_$044] 44:52 yeah thanks chair and just to pick up obviously on ![unclear]/! point i mean separately we'll we'll we'll make some comments about [anon_pr90] but there mighn't be the same as welcome around this this table as as as others would be um i think the issue for us is to to make sure that the one of the recognitions is that [pause] to look at [anon_pl44] as its whole and beyond just the the [anon_inst86a] area band beyond the four [anon_inst109] but across the the wider [anon_pl44] region and we made the same point to the [anon_inst95] that they all these plans need to be aligned and one of the other issues that [pause] we have is right now is not only the census has been delayed the evidence base and the complete deal over the last two years for the for for what's gonna happen particularly on the commercial mix within the city center needs to be be assessed and how we're gonna build that in over the next two or three years because whether or not it's [anon_fn86] a a a and the finance team looking at the rates and the the shifting use in in in the city centre core particularly around the retail that a lot of those premises themselves aren't easy to be converted until the uses because they the they need more the the um sustainability requirements and you know to bring them up to scratch the issue that i have is have they looking at the bolted on sort of support whether or not it's around promoting you know mixed use in terms of food and ret= you know retail are those guidelines sufficiently flexible enough to allow a faster um transition to a a better commercial mix over the next year or two to to to um clamp down on vacancies um and also separately with the the nighttime economy you know taskforce report and obviously the balance around preserving the cultural and nightlife activities but how do you make sure that there's the right mix between there's that inherent contestability now what we wanna do about having more people living within the urban city center how to make sure that there there is that balance from the noise perspective and we get that vibrancy right um but that's acceptable to all thank you 46:58 thanks uh [anon_$040] i wonder can i come in there as well just before you go to those three questions um can i just agree with uh everything councillor [anon_$037] really said at the outset and particularly in respect the [anon_inst89]'s role in this i heard her on [anon_inst106] there at three o'clock just before [breath in] we started this meeting talking about the 40000 housing units and i think what she's done effectively is given the [anon_pr26] the pr that is needed i mean that the last time you were here [anon_$040] we had a conversation about how it would be difficult to assess the public's view and to engage in the public consultation process because we were online but i think she has really helped us in um bridging that that divide that's happened online so i really want to commend the [anon_inst89] for her role in pr around this um can i just ask two questions [anon_$040] um to add to to the previous three the [anon_pr90] for example in my area um only 10% 68 houses out of over 700 um can be can be purchased [breath in] a lot of the public objection to that was on the basis that there was no school um is it when when does the decision around the school happen i know that's a question for you know planners for beginners but the public are objecting on the basis that there's no access to schools and yet you can't build any development if that argument was always successful so when is that moment um if you'd like to un=unlock that question around schools and just can i ask as well councillor [anon_$042] question in respect of [pause] there being less than 100 units and the management funds therefore can't support we'll say communal working areas um the decision that [anon_inst86a] has taken uh to maybe negate that responsibility to provide those communal work areas uh it's not maybe supported by the regulations because it's silent on it how does that fit with the [anon_pr29] then which is really trying to progress the rights of of tenants to have those kinds of communal spaces um [pause] thanks for that you might come back to those four questions cheers 49:04 thanks so great questions we could be here all night talking about some of these things there's so much ground to cover um in in relation to the um [anon_pl175] versus uh [anon_pl174] and what's different um i suppose one of the big key differences um this time around for [anon_pl175] compared to the last plan is that we've increased the open space provision to 25% so it's a larger cut um what uh [anon_pl175] i suppose was there in the last plan but it was a sma= it was a it's a number of sites and i suppose what [anon_pl175] does is it looks at former institutional lands that are not going to be needed for community services and allows them to come forward for residential development and significant open space and um we've done a review of all of the [anon_pl175]s that are in the plan and we've done a review of the [anon_pl174] lands both in relation to their future use and those that maybe are not being used for something that's critical within the document and that's kind of where the difference between the two lies um and i i suppose and and and obviously those all those are up for debate and particularly um we'll be interested to see how the owners what submissions they make in relation to them um in relation to [anon_inst110]s how do we make sure we don't end up in court um i don't think there's any easy answer to that um i have to be honest um we have the [anon_inst110]s that we have and we are implementing them and we have implemented the three that we have very successfully with obviously we wait to see how the new act comes out with these uh new [anon_inst111]s and what they will mean for the [anon_pr26] but um i suppose the decision to create a new [anon_inst110] is one made by cabinet so um i suppose we we will look at that issue and how it rolls out but uh from [anon_inst86]'s perspective we continue to work closely with uh the [anon_inst107] and also ourselves as as a development agency and continuing to to work 50:46 [cough] 50:47 with everybody involved to deliver the [anon_inst110]s um as much as they were granted by [anon_inst94] um [breath in] um as regards the mix and the uh delivery of the [anon_pr89] um [pause] how we achieve that i suppose it one is i suppose applying the whole mixed use zoning uh to a greater extent than previously in the [anon_pr26]s and looking at i suppose opportunity sites like the likes of suppose former industrial lands and when they are changed to a regeneration zoning that that regeneration zoning specifically requires a certain quantum to be commercial now commercial is a very broad church it can be a hotel it can be uh an office block it can be uh it it can be somewhere where you get your car fixed um but it it it also can be all those other uses that often turn up in industrial estates that need to find a home within communities which is like you your dance space where your kids go to do ballet and hip hop you know where people go and book different classes where where maybe there's you know um i suppose where large large scale retail where like the kind of the big box stuff that uh that the city needs to incorporate but to incorporate it within a much greater mixed use development all of these uses provide a range of different types of employment to people within the city and i think that's one of the challenges the city needs to think about in the wider issue of employment is what is employment what is employment in the community um i suppose the very traditional 1970s model has shifted and how what are we replacing it with and what we're replacing it with is i suppose the provision of new enterprise hubs both pr= publicly i suppose promoted and those that are delivered by the private sector um providing i suppose a a range of back office opportunities for businesses that maybe don't need to have all their staff or don't have other staff part time and it might suit them to be in some of these regeneration areas where they're on a good public transport route and providing the range of service employment jobs in in the community all of which help build out uh a vibrancy on a day to day basis within uh uh uh within the suburbs and within the rural villages so or the urban villages that we have um and i suppose getting that mix particularly regeneration what we have in it is a requirement that there's a master plan done for dev= for al=any large area by the developer they have to set out clearly in their planning application in a statutory process how they're going to deliver that mix and that that binds them in and that's i suppose something that we've learned from doing the [anon_inst110]s and we're incorporated into policy to try and apply that approach on a much wider basis across the city and particularly for the very large regeneration areas where we're going to have statutory plans the likes of [anon_pl57] um industrial es= like [anon_pl58] in [anon_pl57] where we've identified as as needing a statutory plan and the likes of [anon_pl59] there will be a very again the [anon_inst112] or [anon_inst110] or whatever it is that's used as a statutory tool will tie in that but what we'd like to do is particularly in the [anon_pl176] [anon_pl177] is to tie it down very specifically to a percentage mix um and i think that's something that [pause] uh we hope to see will will change a little bit in in a positive way how we deliver a mixed use approach within the city so i think i hope that's answering the two types of questions also retail we we're well we don't don't have as many retail parks but what we're hoping to promote and through the zoning policy as well that the idea of [breath in] people don't you know people how people use kind of large retail parks is changing with the way retail is working it's a lot more click and collect or or or view and and and order to deliver and so i suppose the way retail space is used is going to change in this plan so what we're looking at is ensuring that we get the vibrancy on the ground floor that you've got the uses that need that big spaces to show showcase large large items um but then you can cater for for for high quality residential above that that will provide kind of a sense of of uh urban enclosure and to get away from kind of windswept i=isolated places that a lot of these retail places can look like [pause] um so i hope i've answered some of that um [pause] correct um just i suppose looking at the whole region as a whole and i suppose this is part of the discussion about what what is is is the the [anon_pr30] for [anon_pl44] and how it deals with particularly employment and then looking at space and looking at the space across the city in a sustainable way and what makes sense from a land use point of view and i suppose we'd be very conscious in that particularly like in the likes of the [anon_pl178] study that were done that we were looking at where if those sort of large low employment high space uh uses like logistics [cough] were do they go when they're displaced how do we ensure that when they do move they don't move so far from the community that they're that they're close to that they cause you know problems for the peo= the local employment pool that they are drawing from so say the likes of [pause] [anon_pl60] that there is clearly opportunities across the border and [anon_inst113] very very close to the area so still within a reasonable and say easy commuting distance for the employee people employees in that area if if they move but in moving to that location they're moving to a location that will never be suitable for housing so underneath the airport runways and around that whole area of just north of [anon_pl42] there is a i suppose capacity for the types of logistic uses that bring a lot of hgvs that bring a lot of uh disruption or maybe uh you know types of uses that aren't suitable in an intense urban area and they can cater for that in an area that will never have significant residential pressure and it makes sense for them to be there because they're beside the airport they're beside the entrance to the [anon_pl61] um and it makes you know it's much better and more sustainable use of land across across the wider [anon_pl44] area and that's something that ourselves and [anon_inst31] are also very much engaged with as a topic of discussion and looking at how we deal with that as an approach for the whole [anon_pl59] area as well because again there's a huge range of uses there some of which will work really well in a regeneration setting and some of which may need to move and it's how those things are balanced so but that's a very long horizon how that's managed out and some of that is individual decisions by individual companies but we will work with them to try and support addressing that issue and recognizing that there does need to be certain locations particularly on the [anon_pl62] that are never suitable for housing that are much more optimal from a land use point of view um as regards the um [pause] uh yeah i mean i agree i mean we'd all love to have the census out um you know but um but we have i suppose undertaken a number of different bits of research to try and feed into the plan and to update it and obviously you know if um if we get any more updated information or data as the plan moves on um we will try to incorporate it into it um as regards flexibility food and beverage we have as i mentioned we've updated category one and category two streets with sets the percentages of those and so we we're shifting some of that to recognize that retail is changing and that we need to support it by providing a wider range of mix of uses so i suppose the the plan will come into place at the end of of this year so those policies that's the timeline that we have to work with um under the acts so there is no i suppose speeding that up at the moment the plan is done when it's done and then it will come into play six weeks later um which will be just right at the end of the year um the nighttime economy um we've got a section on it in the culture section and we tie it into the uh the economic chapter as well and i suppose the whole issue of how you deal with space and noise um we've put in a policy around that and i suppose what we're looking at is kind of the clustering of certain type of very of nighttime noisy events onto key main streets and that they don't spread into the back streets into the more quieter residential streets so that you do have a situation where someone could walk out of a nightclub and walk down the road maybe 10 minutes and they're in a very very quiet space because the noise is contained onto the busy streets that are less suitable for kind of for residential uses um uh and would have let's say a lot of cars and a lot of buses a lot of you know a lot of movement on them and that they are a better location it also works better from i suppose a management of movement um after uh closing time and also for the guards as well so there is that's the policy we put in and we welcome comments on it i mean it's you know it's a new policy and we'd be very keen to hear how those who are involved in it and what views they would have as to what we've put in as to how it'd be rolled out but it is very clear that particularly as well say if apartments are being built adjoining existing commercial uses that operate late that they are required to put in higher levels of noise insulation and sound because it's it's important that those you know that uses aren't put under pressure to close when they were there first essentially you know so it's kind of getting that balance right in the plan uh so um again it's a new section of the plan and we'd be very keen to hear from those involved in the sector have to say in it in relation to schools and how decisions made i mean i suppose schools planning in a city context is wildly different to what you'd be doing in [anon_pl63] or [anon_inst113] uh you know where there's large areas of green field and you know the department turns around and says oh yeah we'll take five acres you know um [pause] so if i suppose within the city context we have a very finite resource of community and school space um working with the department it's a lot more about how we uh reuse the space that that the schools have whether it's expansion um uh you know recognizing certain you know [pause] i suppose ensuring that they have the space to expand and that they can change as as the as the population of an area changes and looking at what assets they have so they will do a very detailed study of what the existing schools capacity is and how that can be managed and also i suppose an examination of the diversity of the schools in the area to see how how they can cater for uh demand any developer who lodges a planning application for units above 500 is required to go to the department directly and discuss their needs within within before they launch a planning application so there is say if you're building a very large scheme you'd have to get clearance in the department or in advance to say that they don't want a site from you to deal with the amount of population demand so the department have their own kind of number crunching and they will take a lot of metadata like um [pause] uh the children's allowance geodirect you know georeference children's allowance to see where preschool children are and where the concentrations and where the hot spots are so they do i suppose very in depth analysis of where demand is growing to ensure that the primary school and secondary school sector is planned to to to address that so i suppose they are constantly looking at how that is changing and i suppose that there's there's no simple answer on that one you know that way it is very much down to the individual context of the place in question um and i suppose there's no uh there's no simple model that will kind of set that out so i suppose i'm not answering your question directly+ 1:01:00 =no you are thank you yeah 1:01:01 +do me best so um and just the the management um of less than 100 units [breath in] i mean i agree i i i to be honest now the relationship between that and the [anon_pr29] i wouldn't be it's not my area of expertise i wouldn't be able to answer your straight on that but it's just i suppose to recognize that [anon_pr90a] requires an additional volume of communal space above and beyond what you'd expect in the normal planning a norm the planning of a normal apartment development and that is compensation for the loss of private open space so in providing all this additional open space that's an additional cost so it's not to say that what your standard apartment will do is you know is is you know is enough it's [anon_pr90a] has to be above and beyond and that's it's the it's the cost of running the above and beyond that we will be concerned about that over a period of 10 15 years that's such a space would end up being just like the storage room or something you know that way and it would not be maintained and it would slip and people would end up living then in a more substandard development [pause] i hope i have answered all your questions and if you if i haven't yet feel free to contact me by email um over the next couple of days or if you have any further questions anyway it's no problem at all i'll get back 1:02:10 =great thanks [anon_$040] uh [anon_$032] [anon_$043] [anon_$044] do you want to come back on anything there [pause] 1:02:16 um [pause] no i think that's comprehensive enough um= 1:02:19 +great thanks and thanks= 1:02:21 =i'm still slightly confused about the [anon_pl175] and the [anon_pl175] and the differences but um= 1:02:26 +but you'll can pick you can pick that up together 1:02:28 +i can pick that up+ 1:02:29 yeah great okay thanks a million [anon_$044] your hand is still up 1:02:32 sorry i just dropped it there i i'll put in all the responses for the 14th isn't it 1:02:38 yeah valentine's day 1:02:39 the 14th valentine's day 1:02:40 =4:30 don't leave it to the last minute 1:02:42 [laugh] 1:02:44 uh [anon_$044] while i have you there as well thanks for coming back about the presentation that we mentioned on the last occasion i know you're gonna be joined by a colleague uh from [breath in] [anon_114] did i read that in an email um so we look forward to hearing what dates might work for for the two of you [breath in] um okay the next item [anon_$040] thanks a million and i certainly echo all the comments made by um councillor [anon_$037] about your leadership thanks so much for joining us as well busy time um [tech noise] the next item then is the reports that were circulated in terms of our outcomes as an [anon_inst92] so they're there in the reports pack uh [anon_pr32] and the [anon_pr33] the the outcomes i'm gonna move then to uh [anon_$045] if you're good to go there on the [anon_inst115] with an update [tech noise] [pause] [tech noise] 1:03:38 thanks chair can everyone see that screen [pause] 1:03:41 not yet [anon_$045] 1:03:42 ![unclear]/! [pause] [screen share start] 1:03:51 yeah thanks [pause] [tech noise] 1:04:02 can you see it now 1:04:03 thanks [anon_$045] yeah 1:04:04 you can see it now thanks a million sorry chair i i i might just um i'll fly through the pages because i'm just conscious um that a couple of the members haven't had a chance to uh i suppose uh have a look go through the report in detail so i'll fly through have i about 10 minutes chair is it 1:04:21 yes definitely 1:04:22 okay thanks a million [screen scroll] look thanks thanks a million um chair and members this is an update um from the last report [screen scroll] in november with regards the progress of establishing the eu uh strategy and the support office [screen scroll] so just in the context [screen scroll] of of the office itself [pause] we continue to develop and implement the the [anon_pr34] that was adopted by the members um we also have developed uh you know the program and developments for the last quarter and for 2022 and we've we've quite a lot of detail in appendices at the end of the report but we've continued to analyze and showcase [screen scroll] the [anon_inst93]'s involvement in eu projects and programs we're developing uh the eu network connections we're focusing on european funding program opportunities and further developing of the office [screen scroll] just in relation to [anon_inst86] uh 2021 project involvement and success there are a number of projects there that are highlighted with some information that were successful i'm not gonna go into them uh in much detail because uh most of the smart city stuff is included in the management reports later on uh in the meeting with much more detail but it just shows you [anon_pl44] is is actually doing [screen scroll] quite well the next part [screen scroll] of the report there is uh related to the european networks and particularly the office of the [anon_inst89] and what the [anon_inst89]'s office has been engaged with um over the past couple of months or so so there's information there with regards with engagement with [anon_pl64] with [anon_pl65] and with [anon_pl66] [screen scroll] uh the euro cities updates [screen scroll] there in relation to the um the [anon_inst35] the [anon_inst89] contributed uh to the program um on the [anon_pl36] in [screen scroll] in november [sceen scroll] and also participated in the [anon_ev18] in december so there's quite a lot of of political engagement there [screen scroll] with the [anon_inst116] [screen scroll] just with regards to the programs themselves [pause] um we are examining opportunities for the [anon_inst93] in relation to the various eu funding programs [screen scroll] and we've listed out the actual programs there themselves but but not limited to just those programs as such [breath in] [screen scroll] um [screen scroll] then it with regards to open calls for the european program funding applications we have um developed the schedule of open calls for european funding applications it is collated uh makes reference to the programs and and the dates for 2022 for application and it is uh uh the information is outlined uh in appendices one at the bo= at the end of this report we'll also continue to monitor the open calls and communicate with all our colleagues uh in the [anon_inst93] updating them on any calls that may be of interest to [screen scroll] to those uh departments [screen scroll] um [pause] again [pause] with regards to program events seminars and workshop we've developed the schedule events and seminars and workshops related to the various programs and it's also um it's also um included in appendices one at the end of the report there and that should support uh the [anon_inst93] in training and upskilling for open calls into the future [screen scroll] um just an update the uh for the expert panel um to um i suppose provide us with that with that uh i suppose additional expertise that's required both for the office the organization and the members if required so the tender brief has been developed to progress through procurement via via e-tenders and um that uh tender is being currently being assessed by our uh procurement section and it is anticipated that we will publish the tender and e-tenders uh in the next 10 days [screen scroll] that will be the plan with the with the framework being in place um as early as possible hopefully q2 2022 [screen scroll] [pause] just in relation to the support office strategy development [breath in] the [anon_inst117] uh we continue to work uh meet on a weekly basis uh and engage with regards to further developing the eur= the the strategy and the support office you know we we we'd have regular meetings with um [anon_inst118] and and the [anon_inst119] as well uh to to keep uh uh close contact with what what's going on in the region and also in [anon_pl67] [screen scroll] our priorities today and include resource recruitment uh tender brief development [breath in] to establish the framework as i've just mentioned there for european expertise uh [screen scroll] establish appropriate corporate governance procedures and protocols to operate the office and develop a strong communication strategy and events program in 22 and beyond [screen scroll] so our our strategic objectives um you know are there i'm not going to go through them there but i i'm sure the members are are aware of them there but the the seven of them are are outlined uh in detail in the report [screen scroll] so just just just to review the progress of the seven core deliverables um that we said we that we said we would uh work work on uh over the last uh number of months since the last meeting we've continued um uh this in 21 and 22 uh [screen scroll] we have a work program uh for 2022 it is completed and again it's available to the members of of this [anon_inst91] uh for information purposes [screen scroll] and it's it's it's again listed at the at the end of the report [screen scroll] so what we said we would do we would break up the core deliverables into into seven seven objectives there [screen scroll] so a break down on the update of those um [pause] members are in relation to recruitment [screen scroll] which i know the members are are are keen that we we we move ahead as quickly as possible so we we we had some recruitment as as you were aware and we filled two roles um already in the office we submitted a business case to the department um for two additional roles one one being a a head of of the new office uh we have we've got sanction from the department to fill the posts and and a recruitment drive will be undertaken to fill the remaining roles uh however in the interim um the management and development of the office will fall uh under i suppose my department [screen scroll] and my my remit my remit um [screen scroll] just regards to the crm systems [screen scroll] as such we are continuously developing in both an internal uh and an external uh i suppose uh systems of of of communications uh using sharepoint there's councillor po= portal and websites [screen scroll] just in the interim the information uh will will be stored uh under the [anon_inst120] [breath in] um and that's where uh all the uh i suppose detail and dissemination will will will stay until we move ahead with with new portals [breath in] i um from an engagement point of view i'm i'm engaged with the um transformation uh office um on the office's digital requirements and the rollout of the citizens portal um i'm sure some of the members are aware of that and it's we're we're we're quite keen to be involved and and and have the right platform to engage in that at at an early stage and i'm also sitting of a member of the [anon_inst121] um and i'll also be looking to provide uh the digital requirements [screen scroll] for the office uh to be um at least um considered for inclusion and in the draft digital strategy which is which is under development at this point in time [screen scroll] um so in the context of corporate corporate governance [pause] where we will continue to develop procedures and protocols and practices um to implement the best practice uh you know within the office and we'll update we'll update the members [screen scroll] with regards to next report uh in the context of the strategic partnerships being developed in quarter four of 21 and 22 today we've engaged um [screen scroll] with with with [screen scroll] the following the [anon_inst122] to [anon_inst123] the [anon_inst124] um [anon_inst125] the [anon_inst126] uh including the wheel [anon_inst127] and the [anon_inst128] [screen scroll] [breath in] [screen scroll] our strategic partnerships will continue to be developed in 22 in line with our strategic strategic objectives [screen scroll] just just just to make the point earlier on [screen scroll] um i think [anon_$035] made it as well we will continue to align our strategic strategic objectives uh within the council and we are cognizant of the fact that there is a review um required of the [anon_pr19] to be completed in 2022 that's a statutory requirement under the new guidelines and also the development of the new [anon_pr19] for 23 will commence so it is important i think uh for the office to be uh fully appraised and um be involved in the [anon_pr19] process moving forward uh myself as the director of service will be directly involved anyway um but but we just wanted to mention that that is that is a strategic requirement uh [screen scroll] for local authorities [screen scroll] moving forward [screen scroll] and that's just the basis of of our alignment to the uh [screen scroll] the different strategies and and the matrix [screen scroll] is used to assess projects [screen scroll] on the comms side of the house there we've been we've been moving ahead with a comms uh communication strategy and action plan for both internal and external [screen scroll] communications [screen scroll] [pause] we have dev= we have developed a comms plan um just at the end of last year for implementation throughout 2022 to build awareness of the of the offices opportunities internally with staff members and showcase the success of of the [anon_inst93] and eu projects to date and the implamation= implementation of the plan uh if if some of the members have got the um i suppose the [anon_inst86] um communications document that took over from first post there was a very strong article in that there uh this last week there just highlighting highlighting what the office uh is about and what it's one is makeup is [screen scroll] just regards to training and development we're currently examining a framework with potential opportunities for training and development programs for all the stakeholders [screen scroll] um with the [anon_inst129] um um at this [screen scroll] point in time um and then capacity building training and development programs there uh with regards to the [anon_inst130] focus preparatory work we'd like to support our colleagues in the [anon_inst93] and department and the open coming [anon_inst131] opportunities and we we'd like to assist capacity building with supporting and funding a number [anon_inst130] uh capacity building um [screen scroll] events and they're and they're listed there um [screen scroll] [pause] so [screen scroll] i'll just move on to the uh the framework again we would anticipate that the framework will be advertised and e tenders in january [screen scroll] which will be really really a good uh support [screen scroll] out to the office the members and the um [screen scroll] [anon_inst93] departments we have developed the schedule of up and coming eu program events and eu funding program workshops and seminars and they have been collated and we will continue to to develop this um [pause] in line with our strategic objectives [screen scroll] uh in 2022 just just just to summarize then the um the work program for 22 is completed and available to the members it is on um the um uh appendices uh of the report here um and it outlines our strategic objectives in the coming year um it is anticipated that recruitment drive to fill the post of the head of the office will commence as as soon as possible um it has been possible for me to restructure some of the business units in inquest department to allow me move some staff um to the office in the coming weeks to implement the program of work plan for 2022 and to keep momentum of the office going quarter 1 and quarter 2 i have amalgamated the office uh with international relations with the um responsibility uh and direction uh under [anon_fn87] [anon_sn25] um just at this point chair i'd just like to offer uh uh our wishes our best wishes to [anon_fn88] [anon_sn26] who has commenced her maternity leave and we hope all goes well uh for [anon_fn88] and that she um [pause] she enjoys her maternity leave and hopefully she she'll be back to us whenever she comes back just want to acknowledge the work that [anon_fn88] has done as the interim head of the office [screen scroll] um so that that really [screen scroll] the appendices there [screen scroll] outlines in in a lot of detail [screen scroll] uh i suppose what [screen scroll] i've just been discussing there in relation to uh information and calls etc etc [screen scroll] and then at the bottom there[screen scroll] is is is our work plan for the members to um consider thanks chair i'll take [screen scroll] take any questions [tech noise] [screen share stop] 1:18:10 terrific thanks [anon_$045] thanks for all the detail there um [pause] councillor [anon_$037] and councillor [anon_$037] 1:18:16 uh thank you very much [anon_$045] for that very comprehensive report and i'd like to join with others in wishing [anon_fn88] well uh in her um um uh maternity leave and i hope everything goes very well for her and uh um uh she certainly has done a huge amount of work uh on this uh committee and uh the department so i want to acknowledge that some of my questions are um in relation to uh working with other institutions i couldn't see it there but maybe i missed it um i think one of the things that we talked about in the past is the need to actually work with other institutions and particularly academic institutions uh where we could actually enhance and extend the value and the use of any programs that we're actually uh that we're going to engage in and i'd like to know what's happening there and whether there's any opportunity for members to engage in that as well which i think would be very good um i smiled a little bit when i heard about the difficulty in getting agreement from the department for the various um um uh positions uh that we need for depar= for the um the eu office uh considering that that it was a new office that was up and running and functioning very well in my opinion uh up until about what 2014 2015 so it just shows you don't lose what you have because it's very hard to get it back um and it was a tragedy that it went at the time um now specific questions really is uh the first one i want to ask is that you probably know what i'm going to ask about uh i have at every meeting and i proposed and it was agreed that we would look at uh looking at programs to uh with [anon_pl68] through the [anon_pr37] and the [anon_pr38] and [anon_pr39] and i was continuously told this will all happen when we have and we have our meetings with the [anon_pl69] [anon_inst132] well we have had a meeting nothing has happened and all of that is one and a half years ago and we're still being told i i feel i'm being kind of said the road to by and by is leading to the house of never because clearly that's my experience so i cannot understand the resistance uh at uh actually wanting to make connections with a ci= a city that is considered uh another in another jurisdiction you need to have another jurisdiction to be able to get into reg uh programs a city that speaks english that was so accessible that we have so much in common with and i just do not understand and i wish somebody would explain to me why that is so difficult i also want to remind you that we had a [anon_inst133] in the last european um um uh department has that all disappeared because that was a very very useful um this i when i was [anon_inst89] i set this up over 21 years ago and it was in connection uh with the [anon_pl69] agreement because it said there should be a city of the isles and that was [anon_pl44] um [anon_pl69] um um uh uh [anon_pl70] [anon_pl2] and i think [anon_pl71] um and that was actually a very very useful now granted we use it in some ways for european funding that wouldn't be as relevant today but there are many many other relevant things that would actually be very useful and i want to know where that has disappeared to uh so they're they're the kinds of things that uh i would like to uh know um what has happened to see now that i've got sorry just see now city of the isles uh the economic uh uh uh and i suppose really the question then on the economic corridor when are we having another meeting we had an enor= well we had a meeting that really kind of amounted to nothing then we had a meeting in person when was that november was it uh out in in [anon_pl55] um or in [anon_pl72] and i'm wondering when that was just kind of setting it up no program or anything else so you know we haven't even got started to work on that so i'd be very interested to know if anybody can tell me a little bit more about that as well please thank you thanks for letting me uh go on a bit sorry i didn't mean to i apologize 1:22:49 i don't think you did it all councillor thanks councillor [anon_$037] councillor [anon_$032] and councillor [anon_$037] and i'll go back to you then [anon_$045] councillor [anon_$032] 1:22:57 yeah i'm just um have thank you very much for the report and um best of luck to [anon_fn88] on her maternity leave just the the um open uh call for the european um [pause] uh program funding applications um can we actually instead of compiling that to see what's available um and i suppose i think it might be useful for us to have a look at those [pause] um in advance i mean i asked um a question to the chief executive as to what funding we had got previously and i got a report on it seemed to be you know a lot of it seemed to be on education and on putting together you know reports and working towards something so i suppose i'd just like to know that we were actually getting the the follow on funding like as if we were applying through the [anon_inst134] and we were and you know uh uh for enterprises and we got our seed funding that we be able to get to the next stage of you know expanding that you know where do we follow through if we get sort of funding on something like um [pause] like there was a sort of there seems to be funding for various things like [anon_pr40] small you know amounts of funding and things like that projects but i just wonder where they go to from there you know do we then decide to go for the the bigger funding and like did we get any funding whatsoever um on terms of resilience of cities in the face of climate uh change because i i didn't see any and i'm just conscious that [anon_pl44] is particularly um in need of this funding um because no matter what we do with the economics um of the city if we find ourselves underwater um you know between the [anon_pl73] and the coast um we are very vulnerable to that and it's important that we do um access whatever funding that we can have um to be adapt to adapt um to to um the risks of climate climate change um so i'm just wondering how successful we've been on that what are the timescales um i don't think we i don't know if we got any funding in the last um lot of of funding up to to 2020 but you know are we applying have we made application i saw some really good applications previously but i don't know if anything came from it but i've been told that these things take a long time so i'm just conscious that we get in early if they do take a long time and i do hope we get those appointments soon so that we can progress this but could we get a list of the possible funding applications um you know that you have that once you've compiled them yourself thank you thanks 1:25:22 thanks councillor [anon_$032] councillor [anon_$036] 1:25:24 uh go raibh maith agut cathaoirleach agus go raibh maith agut an tuairis um thanks for the report and clearly a lot of uh constructive work done um and uh well done on that uh i want to concur with uh councillor [anon_$037] uh on the [anon_inst132] and the [pause] to explore whatever opportunities uh exist there in the context of the european office [breath in] but also um the need for an update uh i would request that between now on our next [anon_inst91] that we would get an update uh on the [anon_inst132] and that it be that the issue we then put on our uh [signal loss] agenda for the next [anon_inst91] please sinn é 1:26:11 thanks councillor [anon_$036] [anon_$045] can you come back to those three before other speakers come in [pause] 1:26:20 certainly chair [pause] um than=thanks a million everybody um councillor [anon_$037] yeah the um [tech noise] working with other institutions from academic academia um certainly the higher education institutions uh are and continue to be involved in in the horizon process uh i would love to see uh opportunities uh available for members engagements um uh moving forward with with with eu programs um i think that's that that would be great um [pause] my recollection in relation to the [anon_inst133] is is is probably like your own councillor [anon_$037] i remember when you did set it up i am aware that we we are still involved with the eu with an eu uh proposal with with [anon_pl29] um at at this point in time uh however i'm i'm pretty sure that the um the [anon_inst133] itself uh hasn't met for quite a long time [breath in] um [pause] there has been a number of sorry just just in relation to the um the pro= the recruitment we did get the sanction from the department that didn't appear to be um any any any real issue there um and we just want to move ahead now and and and get get get those posts filled uh unfortunately we're in a queue with everybody uh with everybody trying to get i suppose their requirements for you know housing and and and roads and engineering and water and stuff like that but i am talking to hr with regards to to that ju=just regards to the uh the [anon_inst132] um in the um later on in the agenda uh there's a report there from [anon_fn89] [anon_sn27] that um updates uh uh provides an update with regards to the meetings the engagement the development of the [anon_pr41] um the i suppose putting uh uh [anon_inst132] uh structures on a footing where they can actually uh commence a process of uh engaging and uh making applications for funding so that is in in in the business reports um uh further further on in the agenda if if if my recollection is right and reading them there earlier on in the week [breath in] um so we might we might i don't know whether you want to do that now chair talk about that or do you want to just wait and and and and and um deal with that at that part of the agenda 1:28:57 yeah we can do that thanks yeah 1:28:59 um um that's fine and um ju= just with regards to the um the open calls i'll just if i can share if i can share my screen [tech noise] [screen share start] can everybody see that [pause] 1:29:16 yes [anon_$045] 1:29:17 yeah ju= ju= ju= just um councillor [anon_$032] just i just made i i i wasn't um clear but there's a a huge amount of information there just in the appendices they go on forever but that so thus far councillor they they they they're the calls we're aware of and what we do is we we collate all this information and we um i suppose distribute the information to the relevant departments that would be interested in pursuing um calls of this nature so there's uh there's quite a bit of it there um councillor [anon_$032] that of maybe of maybe of help to you um [pause] 1:29:53 i can't see it in the report we got on the appendix 1:29:56 okey doke well i + 1:29:57 + it's in a different one so perhaps you could circulate that afterwards thank you 1:30:00 =well i can i certainly will and+ 1:30:01 thank you 1:30:01 +and and and that's and that's exactly what i what i will do now i'll just take this down sorry [screen share stop] [pause] [tech noise] yeah and then uh just just in relation to uh the um recovery and resilience we did make submission to this the um the [anon_pr42] um we didn't we didn't uh receive funding but we did get an acknowledgment from the department relating to our submission um you know there are a lot of a lot of funding applications being made with regards to to uh to the green agenda at this point in time and in our car= our cyro office in relation to um in relation to the seed itself are looking at are looking at making uh uh looking at um developing an application and making an application for the city of [anon_pl44] in relation to resilience and climate action this point in time uh so i can i can i can ask um [anon_fn90] [anon_sn28] to to provide you with information if if that would be of use uh 1:31:10 =thank you [anon_$045] it's that we we have 2030 seems to be when whe= the predicted areas are going to be under the sea so i'm i'm conscious that the time is um or is it you know time is time is uh running out you know we've eight years [laugh] 1:31:23 i i i i i fully ![unclear]/! i 2030 i can tell you um i'll probably be [pause] swimming myself in 2030 look i i i i understand that that there are and and continue to be [noise] and i think earlier on in the report we made reference to some of the successes there that the you know ![unclear]/! um you know um have secured 12 million worth of funding in relation to retrofitting of building so it has commenced it has commenced uh just just just to make reference the office isn't there to make applications for the for the department or the council the office is there to support the council that's that's the ethos of it it's there to provide expertise and experience either either internally or or externally to allow the core departments you know move ahead with those applications because that's that's where the skill set lies um with regards to that so it's just it's just to make that point um thank= chair i think that's what i have on my list is there more questions there 1:32:21 thanks [anon_$045] uh councillor [anon_$037] councillor [anon_$032] councillor [anon_$036] do you want to come back on any of that [pause] okay 1:32:30 [cough] sorry just are we are we dealing with the [anon_pr43] 1:32:33 oh 1:32:34 in the later report or now 1:32:36 yeah i was gonna go to to to the management 1:32:38 yeah that's okay yeah yeah yeah 1:32:40 okay unless there's any other questions then [anon_$045] thanks a million for all that really constructive work um as was said and and good wishes to [anon_fn88] obviously as well so we'll [breath in] move then to um the management reports um and we'll take questions in respect of all of the management reports um [pause] agenda item number eight so if there's any hands for that i might just sneak in there um around the employment survey results 2021 i think they were published on the 17th [pause] of january is it safe to say they look good maybe [anon_$038] you might come back to me on that um [pause] as one of the questions um if there's any others on the management reports [pause] councillor [anon_$036] i think you're gonna come in there [pause] yeah go ahead [pause] 1:33:35 yeah sorry i i i missed the um [pause] i missed the [anon_pr44] uh reference so i've had a look at it there it's brief enough um i still think at some [signal loss] stage uh we should have it as a substantive item on our agenda preferably at the next meeting as a stand alone um just looking at it i would be a bit concerned in the ![unclear]/! three stage process that the actions are a come at the very end do you know i think we should always in these things where as soon as we can we should try to come up with practical actions and outcomes uh it doesn't really give a timeline so maybe that could be clarified [pause]that's it 1:34:21 okay thank you um councillor [anon_$032] 1:34:26 yeah uh chair i'm just wondering are we going back to um item six 1:34:32 sorry no i finished with item six but if you want to raise something from item six 1:34:36 =yeah because we just sort of skipped over it and i just think they were absolutely excellent reports and i just wanted to compliment uh you know the um both the the [anon_inst135] um and the range of activities that are happening there um absolutely fantastic to see that happening in in our city and that's what makes you know that's what makes our our city um you know a good place to live and our communities good um there's everything from activities in the parks to you know recycling of of bicycles and circular economy and park it there's just loads of bri=brilliant things happening there and you know um and it's well worth reading through it um and seeing the the amount of innovation social innovation that's happening and just to welcome that and just uh the [anon_pr33] i i know i took participated in it myself and um absolutely great uh report and outcomes i just love to see those being implemented you know um and i'd love to tha= to see that we would have the resources to be able to do that because um you know the from everything from i mean that in itself you know the resetting everything from the the social to the economic um to everything was covered in that to climate um actions and and planning and and resilience um so i just think you know it might be something we could look at that report again um and and look at where we how we could implement some of the the actual measures in that because um i think we'd have a fantastic city and we'd be the best in the world if we could actually implement those um and we'd be very resilient uh livable city um so just just i you know i i we seem to we went over it and some of us were there and some of us weren't and and i know yourself chair um you know opened the whole thing and you you participated but i just didn't want to sort of you know run through it too quickly because there's there's so much good in in it thank you 1:36:31 thanks so much for raising that councillor [anon_$032] i certainly second all of that and that theme of innovation runs right through those reports and i think really it's brilliant as part of the [anon_inst136] that we have that kind of innovation coming through and we just need to implement them now isn't that that the reality to it okay um so just in respect to the management reports then there's my question around the employment survey results in 17th january and councillor [anon_$036]'s question um in respect of the [anon_inst132] being on the next agenda of more substantive matter would somebody take those from management [pause] 1:37:08 yeah [cough] sorry chair yeah [anon_$038] here i'll i'll take the um the the employment survey uh just so you know the employment survey was um [breath in] announced there this day last week by an tainiste and uh there was a very impressive um result on job creation net job creation uh there was 3000 jobs created throughout the [anon_inst134] network in in relation to the [anon_inst134] [anon_pl42] um there was 1728 jobs uh within 377 client companies in our portfolio uh and of those there was 408 jobs gained and a net increase of 147 now in the year that's in that is quite impressive insofar as we were we were sort of it was a difficult year and there was the it still is quite difficult for uh businesses as at the moment but i suppose some of the good news is uh the startups we're experiencing 30% increase it's in in participants on our start your own business program and i just like to draw your attention to pages 119 to 122 of the agenda it does list the uh 66 uh measure one as we call them grants financial supports that were given out uh this year which is 128 million uh in in was awarded in grants to and and that was to create 122 jobs so i ju=just wanted to highlight that that's now recorded in the agenda [pause] 1:38:41 thanks [anon_$038] for that presumably though the the pmi survey results the business activity continued albeit job creation is still at a good level it seems to be a much softer pace i presume that's omicron we don't have to be worried 1:39:00 um i yeah no i think um well i think the news there uh on last friday really did [laugh] it was great to see the city reopening and in fact you know the covid restrictions reopening i think it's a it's a real celebration for all businesses but i do think um we're probably in a in a better place than than we thought we would be and that's all that's all i'd say and um but there's a huge amount of work to be done a huge amount of work um 1:39:26 thanks [anon_$038] um councillor [anon_$036]'s question who who's going to take that [pause] 1:39:32 uh i can take that chair if that's okay 1:39:37 thanks [anon_$034] 1:39:37 great 1:39:37 um uh yeah councillor [anon_$036] uh thank you for your your question around the [anon_inst132] as you said there's a a a brief update on this report but we can certainly do a more detailed standalone uh agenda item for the next meeting of the [anon_inst91] uh i suppose what you know has happened since uh we last met is that we had the in person meeting on the 23rd of november where the 24 elected representatives were invited uh to attend an event in in city north and and supported by the administrative staff um so at that meeting uh the elected representatives elected a a chair and vice chair so the chair is councillor [anon_fn91] [anon_sn29] uh of [anon_inst137] and the vice chair is is councillor [anon_fn92] [anon_sn30] i think from [anon_inst113] um so the chair and vice chair will now set dates for the future um meetings of the advisory group um so i i appreciate your your point about the three stage process and the action plan being the the final stage but it doesn't mean that actions haven't been uh developed um you know in the work that has been ongoing since 2018 uh the [anon_inst38] um [anon_inst138] report has been uh commissioned on the corridor the former launch event then took place in march uh a website has been developed that holds the the reporting and other content on the the corridor um [anon_inst139] and [anon_inst85] have been commissioned to um assist in the production of the development plan and a big focus there is looking at what structures do we need going forward because it's eight councils and two universities that form part of the corridor um so the initial thinking was that and looking to european and international examples of corridors that uh it may be within uh on of the local authorities would support the structure initially on behalf of all corridor members and then in time it would be looking to a standalone entity that uh would uh be be the the corridor support and then that would enable the application for [anon_pr45] funding or other uh initiatives so uh a lot of work has been ongoing including the identification of uh companies along the corridor that can be promoted um so there certainly is an intention that it's it's an active corridor but i suppose this period of the development plan is allowing uh a comparison with how other corridors have evolved and developed and what aspects we could have in common with those or how we'd learn uh from their their strengths or or weaknesses uh but but certainly we can we can plan to to do a fuller uh piece for the next year [anon_inst136] uh thank you 1:42:12 very good morning go raibh mile maith agut [cough] 1:42:14 thanks [anon_$034] councillor [anon_$037] councillor [anon_$032] and [anon_$035] in that order when you're ready councillor [anon_$037] 1:42:22 yes i'm trying to [screen blank] oh god i've lost everything here 1:42:27 will i come back to you in a second 1:42:29 i might is my is my [pause] there's something strange going on here can you hear me 1:42:35 we can hear you but your camera's gone off yeah 1:42:38 =oh yeah so at least the microphone is on so 1:42:40 no you're back no you're good yeah 1:42:43 oh okay um anyway is the camera gone off 1:42:49 no it's on you're perfect yeah 1:42:50 you can see me not that it matters at least once you can hear me [laugh] i suppose is the important point uh thanks for for letting me in but uh what i'm i'm concerned about is when i mentioned about our connection with [anon_pl69] i pointed out that i was being told continuously that it would have to be done through the [anon_inst140] which didn't make sense to me i am saying that one and a half years down the road we're still no further on why it has to be the [anon_inst140] that is embraces all of the local authorities the particular scheme that i am interested through the peace process is or the the the the [anon_pl45] um that i would like to look at whether we could have a joint um uh project in relation to older people uh [anon_pl44] and [anon_pl69] and that we could do it through the [anon_pr38] or [anon_pr39] uh and i just don't understand why you know we're dragging the feet on that or why we can't do anything about it [pause] so can somebody tell me you know what has that got to do with with something that's not functioning anyway and why it has to be put into something i just feel i'm being put off and i'd love to be proved wrong 1:44:08 okay i'm gonna take these three questions together thanks councillor [anon_$037] councillor [anon_$032] 1:44:14 yeah um i didn't really have a question as much just to say that i welcome the amount of um you know enterprises and new startups i can see some of them are expansion but there's an awful lot of priming um so just to welcome the fact that there is obviously you know uh this time maybe uh during covid in a way has given people time to think up um very innovative and there's a lot of innovative and very green stuff in terms of reusables and you know mothers reusable bees on the roof limited and all that stuff and just to to welcome them um i because i think these you know these are providing solutions and i uh wish them the best of luck and i'm i'm really think without that you know that initial uh funding they wouldn't be able to get these up off the ground and i just think they're wonderful thanks 1:45:00 thanks councillor [anon_$032] and in that vein uh i'd echo what you've said [anon_$035] in the [pause] in the chat function about the big shout out to [anon_fn93] for compiling all of those uh the digital brochures sorry around the the [anon_inst141] um [anon_$035] over to you 1:45:15 yeah again not not a question just a comment just to say that it was great to see that [anon_pl44] was awarded joint second place in the [anon_pr46] um i thought that was amazing actually i think that it was joint second with [anon_pl74] and um i was particularly looking at uh all the innovation that was happening i was struck actually by the uh the host of kitchens there automated deliver deliver robot which delivered burger and chips to a student in [anon_inst38] and i was just thinking myself wouldn't it be great now if you had a deliver a robot to hop up to mcdonald's or somewhere like that if you didn't want to cook [breath in] um but i i i think also just to say i i like i think the whole [anon_pr47] [pause] is absolutely fantastic and i think um [anon_fn94] [anon_sn31] and team have done amazing work um because we're really we're really kind of getting recognition for our own innovative um systems and processes so again just to say look well done because there's so much of that going on it's nearly hard to keep up but it's great to see it so that was just what i had to say thank you 1:46:18 hear hear hear hear thanks [anon_$035] um just uh somebody to come back then to the one remaining question from councillor [anon_$037] 1:46:28 um i might i might come back on that um chair if that's okay um yeah just to say i suppose in relation to uh [anon_pr45] funding there's there's nothing to prevent any uh part of the council applying to that funding so if it's if it's to do with um a a project and older people you know that would be uh you know not directly part of the remit of this uh [anon_inst136] or or any of the administrative staff that support it but the thinking was that you know if it's if it's a strategic direction around the potential of the [anon_inst132] that you know that would have further strength in an application because there will have been that work done to look at how the potential of the corridor could uh evolve um you know better outcomes for for all of us living and working along the corridor and that it would have a collective impact with you know university and collaborative uh local government uh um engagement so that was the the thinking is that uh you know when when we've advanced a bit further on that work uh it definitely is an ambition of the the corridor to make an application for that funding but it obviously will be a different type of application then if if uh somebody was then housing in [anon_inst86] and the older persons unit wanted to make an application in relation to older persons so i suppose it's just a different approach and with a different uh you know um i suppose ambition in terms of of what can be realized in in applying for that funding [pause] 1:47:52 okay is there any other business [pause] okay our our next meeting is the 12th of april which i think is the tuesday of easter week and [anon_$035]'s robot will be there to deliver uh food to us all in in [anon_pl75] can i just make maybe a closing remark just to say= 1:48:10 +sorry chair i've a quick+ 1:48:11 =oh sorry [anon_$044] go on ahead yeah= 1:48:13 +matter and i didn't know whether or not to bring on the management reports because i know they deal with events there but one of the key things that we're getting a lot of requests in particular for [pause] companies across the city um as we go forward is obviously around the [anon_ev19] 1:48:26 mm 1:48:26 and not necessarily while things are still up in the air flux wise it'd be great to get as early communications out there around the thinking um that might be there in terms of you know obviously with less tourism focus on retail and this sorts of aspects but what does the festival e=entail because it's for two things one for what the business know what to plan for and the second is that we actually with the team like [anon_fn95] and the place brands that we continue to promote people coming to stay in [anon_pl44] for that for that look four day weekend and we want them to enjoy themselves as well and actually you know really get to learn the city again 1:49:04 yeah chair i i i i do know what the theme is because i'm putting something in the the parade myself with the cycling ![unclear]/! and so it's [anon_pub2] so um you know we can um all start getting into the theme of [anon_pub2] if if any of the businesses want to go along with that theme as well 1:49:19 great thanks councillor [anon_$032] i think we'll we'll take it that [anon_$044]'s sub= submission there is reflective of of all of our view on on that um and [anon_$043] thanks for putting in the chat function about the excellent reports and maybe just for closing remarks say we probably don't get to celebrate enough the amount of work that's going on and the amount of of positivity and innovation in those reports and [anon_$035] we got to on the last occasion at the last meeting and respect to social enterprise but i'm delighted to see um that smart cities have been invited and it was put forward by councillor [anon_sn32] i think at the [anon_inst93] meeting to to share all of that um with the [anon_inst93] i think that will be a great night um when all of that is celebrated so i hope to see you all on the 12th of april thanks 1:50:04 thank you chair transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 [laugh] i hope not 0:00 i i did very well i did very well until i got to the subu= to the suburbs+ 0:06 =yes yes yeah 0:06 +and then it took me another kind of three quarters of an hour to find the [laugh] place that i was looking for+ 0:11 =yes yeah 0:11 +[laugh] i went around uh [laugh] uh i'm not the best navigator uh but it was fine but do you know [pause] i met two men who were so helpful and they went to so much trouble um+ 0:25 =very good 0:25 +to really help me i'm not too sure that you'd get the same kind of attention in [anon_pl44] you know they 0:31 yes yeah yeah 0:32 good morning everyone 0:32 good morning 0:34 oh good morning are we on air are we 0:35 good morning 0:36 yes 0:37 um so yeah sorry we were just getting the live stream sorted there and it's it's up and running so i think we will be okay to start we're just gonna have a quick check to make sure we have seven members [tech noise] [counting] [whispers] they'e not members ![uncelar]/! not a memeber okay 1:10 i hope i'll be able to get the um [lip smack] um the agenda and the reports on an email [anon_$053] did you send the actual agenda itself cos i can't get into um uh [anon_inst81] i mean please ![unclear]/!+ 1:25 =it came from [anon_fn81] it came from [anon_fn81] so if you go to [anon_fn81] 1:28 +oh [anon_fn81] thank you 1:29 yeah [anon_fn81] it will come up under that yeah 1:33 will i send it again yeah ![unclear]/! we will get it sent to you again councillor [anon_$037] 1:37 sorry 1:39 [anon_$053] is just gonna send it to you again so it will be at the top of your inbox 1:42 you alright 1:43 you can you can get in through the public website as well just go straight to browse meetings on 1:48 no it's just that i can't i can get it on my my ipad which is i'm which i'm using for this but i was trying to get it on my desktop here and that was the difficulty 1:59 yeah councillor [anon_$037] it has been sent to you now uh just at this moment 2:02 thank you thank you very much thank you 2:05 she'll you'll hardly have anything to say [anon_$037] will you [breath out] 2:08 sorry 2:09 you'll hardly have anything+ 2:09 =right we'll get started if everyone's okay with that 2:12 yes yes yeah fire away 2:13 yeah 2:14 yes thank you 2:15 there's something wrong it's either my hearing aid+ 2:16 =good morning everyone 2:17 +or but i'm missing a lot of what's going on [laugh] i'm not catching uh the points anyway 2:22 okay so um uh we're in uh the civic office so hopefully the wi fi will uh stay with us um well but would somebody volunteer as deputy chair on the off chance that we get shut off 2:35 i'll i'll look after that yeah 2:36 much appreciated councillor [anon_$054] um so we we're hoping this will be our last completely online meeting and that will move to hybrid um for our summer meeting but bear with us um as we get all that done the usual housekeeping applies please keep yourself on mute if you're not talking uh we have a number of presentations today we're going to keep the presentations to 10 minutes and the discussion afterwards for 10 minutes each um and then you can see we have uh a busy enough agenda um so just before we get started uh i would like to just pick out something that um i really enjoyed over the um in may and a lot of people here were instrumental in getting it happening which was [anon_ev20] um which happened in [anon_pl76] um and the may bank holiday weekend it was a wonderful kickoff to what will hopefully be an annual or even a more often event um and i just wanted to recognize uh councillor [anon_$036] councillor [anon_$042] um and councillor [anon_sn34] who are uh part of that working group um and [anon_$066] as well who's a member here and has been doing great work there so we'll kick off we have the minutes of the previous meeting can i get a proposer please [pause] 3:48 i propose 3:49 i propose 3:50 thank you um and are people happy to note those minutes 3:55 yes 3:56 yeah 3:56 yeah 3:56 noted yeah 3:58 um so we're going to move on to we've a presentation uh on the city sport and wellbeing partnership [anon_pr48] we have [anon_$057] and we have [anon_$064] here [paper shuffling] can i pass over to one of you and are you happy to share your screen [tech noise] [pause] 4:18 yes thank you we'll just share it now 4:22 thank you so we'll try and keep the presentation to 10 minutes and people can raise their hands at the end if they have uh questions so you're very welcome go ahead [pause] 4:30 [tech noise] [whispers] [pause] okay can you see that [pause] 4:52 not at the moment [pause] 4:56 [whispers] we'll try [unclear]/! [tech noise] [pause] [screen share start] 5:18 now we're getting somewhere yes yeah 5:21 great can see that that's great thanks very much [anon_$057] [pause] 5:33 okay ![unclear]/! [pause] 5:33 yeah okay guys can you see enough of the screen there to to progress with it 5:40 yes i think so 5:41 okay brilliant well good morning everyone and and thanks for giving us the opportunity to present here today um and before we actually commence the presentation i'd just like to draw your attention to the the cover sheet there where you'll see see the the logo and the visual identity for the [anon_pr48] brand um so this was quite a long time in development and was only recently signed off so we hope you'll agree it's it's strong and it's vibrant eye catching um and something that we hope you'll all become familiar with over the next few months as as promotion ramps up um [tech noise] [slide change] okay so this is just an overview showing the the five cities who are involved in the [anon_pr48] project nationally so you've got [anon_pl77] [anon_pl41] [anon_pl78] [anon_pl79] and [anon_pl44] um the project is funded by the [anon_pr49] fund it's managed and overseen by [anon_pr50] and it's delivered then by the respective local sports partnerships in each city um [anon_pl44] is unique in this sense i suppose as as the other cities equate to its one [anon_inst142] for one city whereas in [anon_pl44] we've obviously got four [anon_inst142]'s um we're all collaborating sharing information and resources under the [anon_pr48] brand [tech noise] [slide change] okay so what is an active city prioritizes physical activity for all increases the number of active spaces throughout the city physical activity should become a social norm built into people's home work and community lives and also seeks to provide equal access and opportunity for all to take part now you you may say that that a lot of these aims and objectives would normally be associated with uh with a local sports partnership anyway but what elevates it is that the [anon_pr48] model that provides resources and structures for better and more sustainable outcomes so essentially what what we mean by that is enhanced programs and activities greater collaboration and partnership greater innovation um access to new research and data and most importantly a ve= a very clear roadmap to achieve the set goals um and all this is driven by the the national lead for [anon_pr48] uh which is [anon_sn35] [tech noise] [slide change] okay [pause] so why the need for the [anon_pr48] project well as you can see there are only 42% of adults and 13% of children in [anon_pl22] meet the national uh physical activities recommended guidelines um that's from the the [anon_inst143] media report 2021 we're only a year on from that so the the figures are probably in in around the same um so why is this initiative being rolled out solely in [anon_pl78] [anon_pl41] [anon_pl77] [anon_pl79] and [anon_pl44] well over 33% of the the irish population live across the five cities um so that's the reason for that while you might find is if the [anon_pr48] goes really well am similar initiatives might be rolled out in in some of the bigger towns across the countries and and larger population centers um so [pause] we know that physical inactivity impacts people negatively but it also impacts negatively on the health economy environment and community of our cities so the the problem isn't just around individuals it's around society as a whole [tech noise] [slide change] okay [pause] so here we have the the vision and the mission the vision of [anon_pr48] is to engage maintain and increase the numbers of citizens regardless of age and ability participating in sport and physical activity in their city and the mission of [anon_pr48] is to create the opportunity for citizens to lead healthier lifestyles in the context of sport and physical activities um [anon_pr48] is is delivered um through four key kind of guiding pillars um and you'll see them there on the right hand side so i'm gonna hand over to [anon_$057] now who'll kind of go into those pillars in a bit more detail and show how we're deliverng on on a practical level on [slide change] the ground 9:39 thanks [anon_$064] um so the active systems piece is probably the one that's the most challenging um in terms of getting increased input into physical activity uh plans with stakeholders and trying to put uh sport and physical activity at the forefront of all um policies and plans um linking in with the [anon_pr51] plan there's an awful lot of objectives and actions for local sports partnerships um but we just feel that we need to have a little bit more collaboration around how we actually deliver on those actions um greater collaboration and cohesion across departments and organizations both internally and externally um so we've started to work uh probably a little bit more efficiently uh internally with other departments that have a responsibility a=around physical a=activity or engagement in the communities um greater access to and use of data on physical activity and sedentary behavior so we've engaged on two um research project projects already ourselve [anon_pl42] sports partnership with [anon_inst144] um about seeking out the sedentary so one of the things that we obviously do well is that we do uh deliver physical activity programs um in disadvantaged areas and we do get great engagement what will happen with some of those programs is we will have many participants that will be repeat participants our challenge is is to get new participants all the time um and so we're hoping that this research will give us a baseline data of where we sit uh within those communities and who is actually being active and who's not being active um it's not as simple as just rolling out a physical activity program you have to find the barriers and the reasons as to why they have not already engaged and that covers an awful lot around marketing promotion communications um using different channels of communications to engage with the different uh cohort groups that we we need to engage with the active environments piece is is a new kind of piece for us as well in terms of its improving access to spaces and facilities for all so we'll be looking to engage with the sports department um around the facilities and the usage of facilities we already do but this will be more on a strategic level as we look to review our strategy for both sports and facilities side um of things um we would also hope to have some implementation around policy and design guidelines to strengthen so new infrastructure is physically activity friendly um so we are in collaboration and totally meeting with [anon_pr91] shortly the [anon_pr91] to see how we can enhance their service in their parks around physical activity engagement um whether by it's putting in new equipment new infrastructure um some simple little uh extra added bits can go a long way for engagement within the community to bring them into the spaces and places um the active societies is more around the national campaign so that we're all working together nationally you will see a lot around uh twitter and social media uh around the [anon_pr48] campaign nationally uh with all the same logo with all the same imagery and with all the same design toolkit um so having that bigger reach um will also help we will be able to all help each other particularly with the other [anon_inst109] um we're also looking on more effective marketing and branding um whereby we will be seen visually more in the outdoor spaces at events and programs around the city and more se=accessible mass participation events so looking forward to um being back in the delivery space of participation events where we will collaborate uh one of the examples we're look= we're working towards at the moment is the sports ability uh day out in the [anon_pl80] um out in the national arena out there uh first of all because it's a suitable location but it's all the [anon_inst109] coming together to offer for the first time um an inclusion day for both where we can bring adults and children together of all disabilities um and provide them with um a taster sessions on sport and physical activity education for the carers the tra= the leaders the teachers and we're working towards that for october [background noise] the active people uh piece is probably the easiest uh i suppose pillar at the moment in terms of that a lot of it is what we do as a sport sports partnership but really our challenge or our our action here is to try and enhance that service as much as we can be more innovative around what we do and to make sure that we are actually giving an increasing opportunities for people of all ages and all abilities to take part in in in the service that we provide [slide change] 14:16 [breath in] sorry could i could i just ask you to up the pace a little bit you have about two minutes left thanks 14:22 okay no problem um we can send a copy of the presentation over anyway i think people are probably getting the gist of it anyway um so the other pillars will be active systems so wa=awareness raising um we will be setting up a steering group um internally and externally uh we'll be using baseline data to establish where we need to work in in specific areas of the city and we'll be working together on collaboration and learning also [pause] [slide change] the active environments pieces the public spaces um cycling and walking and innovations and as you can see we've given a few examples there around we= how we've already started to begin collaboration uh with other departments and sections and we recently launched our couch to 5k podcast which which is a new innovation for uh the sports partnership which is never done before and it's getting great reach at the moment [pause] [slide change] the active societies is uh the teams under that is the focus so the focus is on people who are obviously am in disadvantaged areas or have a disability uh we will be working on research to make sure that we establish preferred communication channels to target groups obviously a huge push and drive on communication and also on promotion [slides change] on the active people as we've covered we've already done an awful lot of work in this area but the teams under that will be targeted initiatives uh working with the [anon_inst145] and the schools within our areas online and innovative initiatives and building leadership within the community [slide change] um so the [anon_pr48] overview it's just for all loc= uh local authority areas each [anon_inst142] will be recru= recruiting a local [anon_pr48] officer which we've short just shortlisted for and the key focus is is there cross sector buy in um making sure the voice of those most inactive is heard and ensuring strategic input from all relevant stakeholders and the last slide there [slide change] is just some words that are associated with the [anon_pr48] i hope i got that done in two minutes [laugh] thank you 14:22 no excellent thank you really appreciate it i i think the discussion and the questions will also guide you to the areas that people would like to know more about um so [cough] um if you wouldn't mind might be easier if people could see each other so if you could stop sharing your screen [screen share stop] but you can reshare it if people need to go back um the first three speakers i have are uh councillor [anon_$054] councillor [anon_$065] and [anon_$066] 16:43 thanks chair i just want to thank the deputation for the excellent presentation really really good and just to compliment the people we have on the ground at the present time as first development officers i know the one up here in [anon_inst37] does a fantastic job [breath in] yo=you mentioned you have funding for this and everything needs funding you didn't mention how much funding so you could identify that and where the funding is coming from and the other question uh i would have is how do individuals and groups if they don't know say the local sports development officer how are they going to find out about whatever we're planning in the various areas around the city or city wide or whatever the case may be thanks chair 17:18 thanks councillor we'll take three questions and then uh we'll go back to you uh [anon_$057] so uh councillor [anon_$065] please 17:24 thanks very much chair and thanks very much for the presentation um it's great to see more being done in the [anon_pr48] uh arena um a couple of things just one i'm wondering will there be uh specifics you know a plan with specifics specific targets uh specific goals in terms of uh you know identifiable areas uh that are going to be um targeted in on and measures uh against them like when deadlines for for achieving various things so that we can see um uh the progress but the the the piece that i i home in on regularly is our lack of swimming facilities um in the city and that that has been going downwards rather than upward um both in terms of public provision and private provision we saw [anon_inst146] in [anon_pl81] closing off its swimming pool um there's very quite restricted hours in a lot of [anon_inst86] pools and we just don't have enough pools and this really impacts an awful lot of our aging population um but also people who want to do individual sort of um uh active um uh how would you say active things rather than team cos we do a lot of good stuff in the parks but i really feel we fall down in our swimming pools in [anon_pl44] and in [anon_pl82] um and this was shown last weekend in a report as well so just be interested in hearing your views on all those thank you very much 18:51 thanks and [anon_$066] 18:53 go raibh math agat ar corth a la sein ar fad i think the initiative is um very worthwhile and it's it's very much needed um just [tech noise] ar ceista ar an agomsa ri cursai gaelige uh i just noticed [tech noise] everything seems to be [tech noise] um as bearla it seems to be very um even from the logo onwards um i'm just wondering what you're doing to i suppose um to normalize the language in what what you're doing with for i suppose gaelscoil students for stud= and for kids being brought up through irish as well uh maybe the first thing that could be done could have a bilingual logo especially i suppose some city council is getting more and more active and providing opportunities to use irish um [lip smack] um in the city um and if this innitiative i suppose going forward it'd be great that to see that that would be on board with it as well so from logo to i suppose promotional to training and etc etc um cad ta ar suil or what's currently happening and what might be done in the future go raibh math agaibh 19:50 thank you so back to [anon_$057] and [anon_$064] and then later i'll bring in councillors [anon_$037] [anon_$059]and then [anon_$032] thanks 19:57 okay thank you very much for the questions councillors um firstly the funding is through [anon_pr49] funding via [anon_pr50] and the fund that we've initially received is 435000 um that's for [anon_pl42] alone um so the other local authorities would have received similar funding as well it's based on it's some of it has been based on population size as well and that's where the funding comes through uh we do have to report back to [anon_inst203] um on a quarterly basis around the spend of the fund obviously we received this fund during covid where we weren't able to spend um where restrictions were in place and we weren't able to deliver we have started now obviously making a delivery on it and we've started to uh spend the funds um we were also hoping that uh while the sports offices are a great um you know i suppose on the ground in terms of getting word out um what we are doing is collectively we're launching our hub our sports hub at the end of the month uh this hub is a one stop portal for all things sports and physical activity within the city and up there you will be able to contact our relevant sports officers you will be able to get information on any type of program that you may be interested in any type of education and training and we'll also be keeping it up to date with an events calen= calendar so you'll be able to see in advance what programs are coming and happening within the city but we will also be doing as we said a national campaign and where we can we'll be attending local community initiatives to get the word out around the [anon_pr48] but also around the local sports partnership um still on research it's based that still to this day word of mouth is still one of the key ways of communication traveling around anything that we do but we we are trying to have more of a presence on social media on twitter um in terms of the plan and in terms of the the specific targets we have been set [anon_inst147] we also have to do a logic model approach [tech noise] and we have an action plan that we work towards and this all feeds back to [anon_pr50] uh whereby they are the ones i gue= i guess you could say checking whether we're doing what we said we were going to do the national coordinator would also have um her own [anon_inst147] within the project and we have to work on them on a quarterly basis [pause] um in terms of the deadlines we have to work each year to our reporting deadlines both mid year on end of year in terms of finance reporting and in terms of operational reporting whereby [anon_pr48] is included within that reporting structure [pause] um in terms of the swimming pools i will just say that that's possibly not um our area to comment on that would be more for the sports uh facility side so maybe [anon_$036] or [anon_$045] might want to come in on that but we have engaged and are engaging with [anon_pr52] around a uh cofunded swimming officer in the hope to promote swimming and open water swimming and within the our swimming pools that we currently have um so that would be a huge asset to the team and sports partnership as well in terms of the promotion of swimming and there have been other initiatives that are potentially being looked at as well but i will let [anon_$036] or [anon_$045] um answer that and then in terms of the irish we actually are in the middle of uh developing our uh bilangual logo [anon_pr53] were the first to suggest that it is needed so that will be on the material when we produce and we'll also be looking at trying to make sure that uh any material that we do produce is in the irish language also 23:21 [tech noise] thanks very much [anon_$057] you've covered uh a lot there so we've got um i've got four more so we'll take four questions and then we'll go back to you again so councillor [anon_$037] you're up first 23:33 thank you very much chair and thank you indeed for the presentation i just missed the first little piece of it so i'm trying to find this as an item on the agenda is this an extra item um i can't find um+ =no councillor it's it's item two on the agenda and the slides were also sent out with the agenda pack oh right so yes it's part of the yes i i mean i thought that was kind of mainly [anon_inst1] okay that's fine um my questions are um it it first it's great to see uh this initiative um and i'm just wondering how do local communities um engage with you uh i represent an area that on the face of it looks very well served but in fact it's not because most of the open space is privately owned and not publicly owned so we fare out very badly in the [anon_pl44] six area um and we have a huge challenge we'll say in relation to um football for women um who are being um finding it very difficult to actually play uh so number one i'm wondering how do we engage with you we also wh=where we do shine of course is that we're as a [anon_inst86] um uh um initiative we have a wonderful uh uh fitness center in [anon_pl83] uh and that is actually working extremely well um [background noise] so just how do how do i we'll say as a local councillor engage with you to get a sense of where maybe you could help us out [child background talking] in the area that to get you to focus [background talking] um on the area uh because the trouble is that my experience with the [anon_inst93] is that if the council doesn't have an infrastructure in an area then it doesn't engage i mean that happens with senior citizens um um and i think the same happens a bit in [anon_pl44] six we're trying to get the um partnership to engage uh for the last two years um they have just disappeared out of [anon_pl83] uh so um it'd be useful to know how do i um um uh how do we make contact with you um and get a sense of+ 25:44 =thank you councillor 25:44 +where we could thank you 25:47 uh councillor [anon_$059] 25:47 uh thanks chair thanks [anon_$057] and [anon_$064] for the uh presentation uh just three [tech noise] three questions on it just uh the the figure of 13% of children uh hitting the physically active recommendations is is a worrying figure is there a way we can target the the non active children and that because i i'd imagine when we run programs and courses it's probably the active kids that are getting involved so is there a way of targetting the ones that that aren't active on that then just following on from from programmes is a way of keeping um people engaged uh again mainly children but but also adults as well when they do a programme or do do something um do we do we link them into an local club or a sports organization um after after the the programme is finished and then [anon_$057] you just mentioned the the the impacts covid had how how are we getting now as restrictions li=lift are we back to like full um full pace from before covid or are we still are we still noticing some restrictions go raibh math agat 26:47 thank you councillor [anon_$032] [pause] 26:49 uh thank you chair yeah i just um uh i just uh want to welcome the report and um i like um i'm glad to hear that there are some um something going to come in in terms of a uh swimming officer or working with with open swimmers i mean i i would like to see more swimming pools and particularly sort of a a lido which i hoped was going to re= replace the the other plan which was the the um uh [breath in] whitewater rafting plan so i i did hope i'm [signal loss] a lot of these outdoor lidos that they have one in um i think i believe in um [anon_pl84] as well and they seem to be all around and other european capitals and we don't have have one here um so i think that would be a great opportunity uh for us to have that and would be uh for all ages um and um so just i just wanted to know how much you sort of interact with the play um strategy as well like that sports doesn't always when people say sports think alright i'm not competitive i'm not interested in getting involved in something competitive but they might like to be active in another way like you see the the equipment the sports equipment let's say used on the promenade down in [anon_pl85] they don't need to get but they can go down and they can use it and when i've been requesting say a table tennis table i've been told that there's one trial in one park somewhere in the city but like you just see them all around other cities just been placed um and if you put some table tennis table down they're very inexpensive people turn up with their bats and play some table tennis i sometimes i just don't understand why we have to make such you know um like a mountain [laugh] out of a molehill literally just to sort of add a bit of something that could help people to become active um and i wonder could we put a few table tennis table tennis you know down and uh be willing to to find somebody to fund them even i don't think it'd be that expensive thanks 28:43 thanks councillor sorry to interrupt we are running a bit short on time so the final question is from councillor [anon_$068] and we'll go back to [anon_$057] and [anon_$064] 28:49 uh hi thanks a million um i'll make it really quick because a lot of my um comments um that i wanted to make have been kind of made um thanks a million [anon_$057] and [anon_$064] um really good report really liked the logo um just one piece that i was picking up on was the um the parks and um i know that there's another piece of a project kind of going on where there's a review of all the sports facilities um in especially the north central area um for uh cos of the lack of spaces particularly for football and um lit up areas um i know that there's also a lot of [tech noise] groups that are um you know doing alternative um and using the green spaces in in other ways um so yeah i suppose the in the in the wintertime that becomes a little bit of a barrier with the shorter days um with the lighting and stuff uh but obviously there's environmental is=um reasons there as well um and then the steering committee that you mentioned am can councillors go on that i was wondering um i'd be interested in in in sitting on that one um and uh good to hear about the hub um because i think that's been one of the biggest barriers um i know um [anon_fn96] and [anon_$097] are very active in the north central area and they have been very good at kind of getting the word out um but there's a lot of people that still don't know about just um i think um the hub would be am a good benefit for that um and that's it thanks 30:14 thank you very much for all the questions back to uh [anon_$057] and [anon_ $064] and if there's anything you can't cover you can get back to people in writing as well we are short on time thanks very much 30:23 okay no problem thank you very much for the questions councillors um in terms of the first few questions in terms of how do you engage with us um you literally engage with ourselves myself and the sports officers that are on the ground um in each area there's a multiple of different sports officers in particular there's fai officers for the [anon_pr93] um so it's directly with ourselves or the local sports officer within the area um to engage with us and we can also circulate an up to date contact list if that's needed for each area and break down the areas of the sports officers in each area and with that you'll have their email address and their mobile phone number um in terms of engagement that is the best way to do it it's through the sports officers if it's to be linked to our programs but they would also um know the community officers and have other um networking groups on the ground as well um in terms of the questions around the ![unclear]/! the children it is uh it is not a great figure to see in particularly the field of work that we do but covid had a massive impact on the 5 to 10 year old 13 year olds in terms of sport and physical activity all sports ceased for the children and uh they were very inactive what we've looked to do now is some of our programs are after school programs now so not necessarily going into the schools during the day we're trying to capture the children that not necessarily maybe don't have the time or that the parents aren't able to bring their children to their sport we're working on an after schools uh initiative program we also have the marathon kids program where we had over 2000 children take part um in the marathon kids program whereby they have to run um the mar= well basically run a mile each each time until they get to the 26 miles covid did have a very negative impact in terms of our delivery of work uh when restrictions were in place but what it did do was put the emphasis and focus on sport physical activity and play and i suppose when we say sport and physical activity uh within the physical activity that covers all realms from walking cycling dancing yoga it's not just sport um just to mention that and then in terms of how we would probably link um to the clubs as best as we can when we deliver a program we always try and work out what the exit strategy is or what the pathway program is because what we want to do is engage with the participants but create a pathway for them to move forward so for example um our couch to 2k our couch to 5k program we then launched our mini marathon program where we wanted to engage with women who had never ran the mini marathon before and we actually managed to capture them through a lot of the local walking and running programs and for the first time ever we have traveller women taking part in the mini marathon so we've hit a target group that we've found so=sometimes very hard to reach but through the work of the sports officers on the ground and so where we can we always try and provide a pathway to the clubs and also to our club grants will always make sure that the clubs are aware that we are there and that there are other avenues and education and training available to them should they need it um in terms of just the play around the play side we actually have uh stencil packs for playgrounds and we're actually going to be getting a few more in order whereby we actually can provide them to schools to update their sense of playgrounds for the play side of things in terms of the parks and the the usage of parks and how we can enhance those we actually as i said have a meeting with parks in the next week or two and within that discussion we're hoping for a table tennis tech ball we're looking for a gym equip= we're looking for what where the gaps are and where can we help bring some initiatives uh to the table with with the budget that we have um so we're hoping that that will be a positive meeting and we can identify some gaps in parks that whereby this equipment or infrastructure is needed um also then just in terms of the steering committee yes we'd be absolutely delighted uh councillor [anon_$068] to have uh yourself especially someone with the knowledge around the sport and physical activity within the areas and in the city um so we'll be in touch when we know we're we're setting that up and also just in terms of parks i do agree that at the moment we're quite lucky that we've got uh the right light and the good weather everyone's out and about uh but we are we will always be faced with challenges around usage uh and challenges around access to facilities in the halls because what is happening is clubs the clubs are growing um there's pocket clubs now being set up everywhere across the city for every sport and for every age group and getting access to facilities and training times is a huge challenge and it's something that i think you know it will it will be something that we'll have to look at going forward to see how we can we can um try and change that a little bit if we can um in terms of the swimming side and the pool side of things i will let uh [anon_$069] or [anon_$045] maybe address that [pause] 35:06 thank you very much uh i'm not sure if if [anon_$069] or [anon_$045] do want to come in we are up against it with time though [pause] okay we will we'll get maybe a written response on the the swimming pool+ 35:19 =sorry chair i suppose i was on mute there 35:21 +oh sorry [anon_$045] go ahead 35:22 sorry my apologies sorry page 49 of the report there makes reference to um we're undertaking a significant uh sports and recreation strategy to identify where there are deficits uh including uh swimming facilities also so that that that we're making reference to that and we will keep that on the agenda uh we hope to have that um strategic report available by the end of the year but that will encompass everything which includes pools and and and swimming facilities also there's another few little bits and pieces that we're working on with [anon_pr52] as well in relation to portable pools um uh there's one out in [anon_pl86] at the minute where we're talking about bringing one into the city over the summertime also but we' ll update the members as we um uh i suppose agree um the logistics of that with [anon_pr52] thanks chair 36:13 thanks [anon_$045] um apologies councillor [anon_$059] we don't have any time for more questions on this presentation um uh there was a suggestion there from uh [anon_$057] about circulating and updated contact list um i think that will be very beneficial and councillor [anon_$037] has asked for that as well so that could be done that'd be great [pause] so a massive thanks for the presentation um i think the questions have shown there's lots of interest in all the work you're doing and we look forward to seeing uh how everything progresses [pause] 36:42 thanks very much for your time 36:43 thank you 36:45 thank you 36:45 thank you very much we'll move on to our next presentation item three on the agenda which uh we iis about the skate park over in [anon_inst37] and we have [anon_$056] and [anon_$055] uh from the [anon_inst148] with us [pause] um are you able to share your screen 37:05 uh good morning everybody yeah if you can allow me to share the screen i'll most certainly do that there good morning [anon_$055] [pause] 37:13 um he should be able to share screen 37:17 yeah he said he could yes 37:18 yeah do you not have permission [screen share start] oh yeah there we go excellent 37:21 yeah i think there's hope it's the right one it is indeed i'm sure um again thanks for allowing us the opportunity to make this presentation um i'm hoping the 10 minutes has not started yet um [pause] there was quite a bit of a challenge let's say to combine um 12 years of work into 10 minutes of a presentation um but we done our we done our best um i'm just gonna take you through the kind of journey of the skate park there is a small video which um which kind of captures the essence of everything that's been going on at the skate park so far um and then we move on to some images and community cleanup and stuff like that and then look forward to the questions at the end [pause] [tech noise] [slide change] um as i said good morning everybody my name is [anon_$056] i'm an outdoor education instructor for [anon_inst148] we also have present here today [anon_$055] who's the adventure center manager for [anon_inst148] and just to introduce [anon_inst148] um at [anon_inst148] we believe that engagement and positive outdoor educational opportunities within naturally empowering environments can increase a young person's potential for developing essential life skills and these important life skills can not only enhance the education of person development prospects of a socially disadvantaged area which is the whole ethos behind= the the whole delivery and package which we provided to the actual skatepark itself [anon_inst148] [slide change] [breath in] just to take you through the journey just the background image here just a small caption of what goes on up here in [anon_inst37] in the skate park um in the background here obviously this is the pavilion it was belonging to the scouts um it's now being licensed in the new [anon_inst149] um we'll get into that at the very end but this is just a small caption of of some of the ongoings you can see the young people wearing the jerseys and representing themselves and representing the clubs and there's clubs there and evenings uh two evenings per week [breath in] [slide change] i suppose the whole story behind the skate park itself in 2010 [anon_inst148] we had we had a bmx club and we were constantly leaving the area to avail of other facilities and other areas um so we began to lobby [anon_inst86] for our own bmx facilities to be created in the local area [breath in] this this obviously took twelve years and fast forward to 2015 [anon_inst150] and the [anon_inst151] got heavily involved and then the plans began plans began to to develop the skate park and a bmx park within the the ![unclear]/! park [tech noise] [background cough] the whole key to the project was [tech noise] that it was a people first approach [background cough] and this was crucial to making the the play park in [anon_inst37] a reality [slide change] so again in 2010 [tech noise] [anon_inst37] bmx club we presented to [anon_inst86] it was the youngest ever invitation to [anon_inst86] i believe at the time um we went into the [anon_inst86] chamber office and two young people and meself we made a presentation [slide change] and convinced local councils and stuff that back the project um again in 2015 [anon_inst150] this was a big thing that they came involved um and there was a process rolled out asking local people to help write the design brief for the new skate park and this is key and this is why the park has been so successful is the involvement in in community and and stakeholders from the area from the very very beginning [breath in] um so [anon_inst150] launched an international design competition also to find architects to design the park [slide change] uh [anon_inst220] were chosen as the winning design team um for their ambitious scheme for the new play park and [anon_inst86] commit= committed to funding to build uh build a park [slide change] and then in 2017 uh planning permission was granted after a long process um to construct construct the skatepark [slide change] um and in 2019 then [anon_inst152] were appointed they're uh specialist kind of freestyle kind of skate park uh design company uh they were appointed by [anon_inst86] as the contractor and subcontractor to build the new skate park [slide change] um and then 2020 thankfully the skatepark the skate park opened just to move back to [slide change] 2015 just to give you a little bit more of an insight and the whole process that was rolled out community engagement process as i said which was completely key to the success of one of the key parts to the success of the skatepark today uh more than 360 people were documented from [anon_inst37] young and old to share their ideas um these people share their ideas concerns and ambitions with the skate park ![unclear]/! park through workshops tours talks family activities picnics and more [breath in] a design brief was written encompassing these ideas wants and needs and an international competition to also find the best architects [clears throat] um the competition um brought four shortlisted design teams to [anon_pl44] from [anon_pl87] [anon_pl88] [anon_pl44] and [anon_pl26] to meet with students in [anon_inst153] and [anon_inst154] and a group of community representatives from the local area um and this is more just a highlight the involvement an=and i suppose and and stakeholders and community [breath in] community representatives and and people from [anon_inst37] was was very very key and it was there from the start um i suppose uh a ju= jury was formed of representatives from all stakeholders organizations including myself [anon_sn36] which was a local resident [breath in] to address concerns from residents from from um ![unclear]/! park [anon_sn37] [anon_inst86] [anon_sn38] from the [anon_inst151] and [anon_inst155] so there's a whole combination of people got involved um plenty of meetings plenty of writing up plenty of ideas plenty of consultation with the community itself itself and after much deliberation um we chose um relationships ![unclear]/! [anon_inst86] then began to process the tender for a contractor [anon_inst220} [breath in] um what i'm gonna just do it there's a small skatepark film that was commissioned um by [anon_pr54] and i think it's only a small it's only four minutes long we have plenty of time to get into the logic model at the end of it um but it's just i think if we just play this small movie um have a little look at this and it kind of answers and and displays everything that's going on within the actual skate park itself it's only four and a half minutes long [sniffle] [screen change] [pause] 43:30 we're not getting the audio [tech noise] [pause] 43:38 we're not hearing the audio on the movie there 43:40 no it's not coming through the zoom [pause] 43:44 when you share your screen [anon_$056] there's an option to share sound as well maybe just stop sharing and try reshare it [pause] 43:51 i might just go back there yeah [tech noise] [pause] now where's the where's the share your share the the sound as well 44:10 i think 44:10 yeah 44:10 you just need to stop sharing screen then reshare then there's a little tick box where it says share sound as well 44:16 so i'll stop the share okay [pause] [screen share stop] share screen 44:21 there should be a littlle tick box somewhere that says share sounds as well 44:23 alright thank you very much for that fantastic [screen share start] 44:40 no worries 44:41 [plays video] [several minutes of video] [tech noise] [stops video] now that's grand so i hope that just gives people an idea of what's going on in the actual skatepark itself again [screen change] it's great to hear from the young people themselves um [breath in] so just mo=moving on just what you would have seen this is just a couple of images [slide change] of the skatepark itself there um again a picture paints 1000 words [pause] [slide change] let me see hold on there [pause] so yeah here's just some of our club members that we we meet every monday and every thursday there's a there's a variety of different clubs happening down within the area itself and um young people come up and get involved as as you can see by the video itself i mean young people are just coming up i mean some people not even involved in bmx but the're involved in i suppose we're registered with [anon_pr55] now they're involved in taking names and you know registering new participants and targetiing other young people in cleaning up the park and getting involved in the management of the actual place and building a whole sense of place and sense of belonging within [anon_inst37] here's [anon_inst41] done a completely different video as well it got some [slide change] some international kind of a national kind of recognition+ [s053] 50:11 =sorry sorry to interrupt to interrupt [anon_$056] but we're we're very tight on time if you can rush to the last few+ [s056] 50:14 =[slide change] yeah that's no problem at all yeah that's fine um so just again you've seen the video here it was a [anon_inst156] setup [slide change] um and this was set up i suppose the skatepark was was opened without kind of any any any public kind of say waste disposal facility so um the young people got together themselves took action into their own hands and [anon_inst156] was set up this was a seven day week project it's back up and running again where young people come up by half or every day [slide change] and clean their local park um and this [slide change] is just a kind of a snippet of sorry i'm rushing [slide change] through here um just some more images there of the young people coming up and cleaning the park [slide change] but the park itself i mean it's not only successful because we offer a sporting facility it's it's it's a place and it's a heart for [anon_inst37] and it's a home for some young people [slide change] um it's it's an escape [slide change] and it's a place where you can come down and kind kind of meet a local youth worker and get involved in other activities the whole success of the skatepark is based on on the logic model [slide change] and the logic model is a diagrammatic representation of the overall purpose of youth work activities um and services delivered by funded organizations to various stakeholders [slide change] um so first of all we look at the needs of the area which the issues and obviously develop a community biking club and young person facilities and create an area wide approach to build an improved sense of place and community which i think that video kinda uh captured and make sure young people are involved in issues such as ![unclear]/! [tech noise] we target young people who have are involved in issues such as antisocial behavior reduce physical activity and most young people do we have engaged in our programs especially in that video are young people who we actually set out and target [slide change] so the objectives are to ensure that the the involvement of young people and development of community based activities identified within the education training board service requirements and en=encourage positive involement in the community based programs [slide change] um as i said there's a whole logic model based on this and the inputs from the [anon_inst148] at the moment there are three adventure center staff and one community employment staff [anon_pr56] and the outputs that we've we've weekly dedicated um bmx club evenings and structured and monitored [anon_pr92] we've even gone in as far as um we've first placed international uh video recognition with a young guy who achieved a special recognition garda community awards um we've young people who've who've been awarded the president the [anon_inst221] award for their participation community involvement within the actual skatepark itself um and these are this this whole approach is based on seven primary um primary outcomes um seven personal social development outcomes communication skills it's important that we we look at that with young people confidence and agency planning and problem solving relationships creativity and imagination resilience and determination and emotional intelligence um and this this underpins exactly what we do [slide change] it's great that a young person can come down and learn a new skill on a bike but we're really interested in how they treat the local area and how they see the park as their own park [tech noise] [sniffle] um and obviously [tech noise] improved sense of belonging place of community ownership and for young people [slide change] um i'll just fast track in through this kind of i know we're short on time there time but i hope the video kind of ca=captures the [slide change] essence of what's going on there um [pause] but yeah [slide change] that's that's our presentation base i know we're short on time again it's hard to it's hard to go in for 10 minutes and just present the whole thing but um but that kind of captures the essence of what's going on i suppose the main thing is that it's it's the community have been involved since the very very start um and [anon_inst153] are on the ground there every day every evening we're locking the park now as well at nighttime as well and engaging with local young people uh to ensure that the skatepark and the play park is is a complete success um it wasn't without its its challenges let's say there's been constant engagement and consultation with [anon_inst86] and various other stakeholders uh to make sure this park is a success um and as i said it's it's the success of the park was rolled out at the very very initial start back in 2015 when they when young people and schools and variety stakeholders were consul= um consulted on the actual journey the skate park um but yeah i'll invite any questions um again we've we've loads of presentations on the skate park itself they're not they're definitely not 10 minutes we just kind of fast tracked through that but i hope people got [breath in] the essence of what we're doing the importance of the role of [anon_inst148] within the area um obviously going back to as far as 2010 um and the service and the and the facility that we're providing um for young people in [anon_inst37] again it's it's getting international and national recognition um and it's it's a home the skatepark itself has become the home the heart of [anon_inst37] and it's used by a variety of different groups and it's it's where young people meet after school and before school um and it's as i said it's become the main artery for for [anon_inst37] currently at the moment+ 54:56 =thanks [anon_$056] 54:56 +but yeah i'd like to invite any questions yeah yep thanks 54:59 yep that's excellent um i i know we we've rushed uh through it but we are over the 10 minutes um but you've covered a lot there so the questions will help target what people would like to know more about so um if you wouldn't mind stop shar= {screen share stop] to stop sharing your screen just so that everyone can see each other and we'll begin with councillor [anon_$054] councillor [anon_$070] and councillor [anon_$063] and we'll take questions in threes so councillor [anon_$054] 55:21 thanks chair and i just want to acknowledge that i am chairperson of [anon_inst148] and i was one of those people who brought the deputation in many years ago but i want to congratulate [anon_$056] and [anon_$055] for their absolutely sterling work there and and the transformative effect that this project has had on the lives of young people in [anon_inst37] and the adjacent playground and just to touch upon that and to thank [anon_sn39] and his team because it wouldn't have happened without [anon_inst86] but just the sustainability of a very substantial project and public investment i'd say altogether we must be must be coming up to about 2 million euros and that's the one area that i'd look at and i'd like to ask [anon_$056] just like to sustain that investment what do you think is required to ensure that if i go to [anon_inst37] if i've never been there in five years time that is going to be something of the magnitude we have there in a reasonable condition and just to you know just to say how beneficial it is to collaborations uh with the local services because as chair of the youth service i'm mindful that a huge amount of our resources are put in there we do have a residential facility in [anon_pl89] and a place along the [anon_pl90] and a number of facilities around [anon_inst37] so just to acknowledge there's a big big commitment of from our funders to this project as well and i'd like to see some of that reciprocated as well with day to day uh operation costs but just well done to all concerned chair thank you 56:41 thanks councillor um we we do have seven uh more questions to come in so could i ask questioners to be brief or or to the point as much as possible to make sure [anon_$055] and [anon_$046] have time to respond uh councillor [anon_$070] 56:54 thanks chair um i mean it was very informative there the video and you could see it straight off hand from the kids the importance of this park um my son and stepson use it all the time and i think just the point that i'd like to get across is how um important that [anon_inst86] and all the stakeholders support [anon_inst148] um to kind of keep this park as uh the vital resource that it is we can build state of the art infrastructure but unless we're there afterwards to make sure that we're doing that wraparound service um we won't be able to see its full potential and i think um the community and the youth services have invested whether it's dedicated and directly employed staff but aw= definitely an awful lot of volunteers have kept it going and i'd like to see through this that the management would hear how important that is and we can always support them going forward thanks chair 57:41 thanks councillor [anon_$063] 57:41 [tech noise] uh thanks chair and [anon_$056] and [anon_$055] thanks very much for the work on this and the presentation um i suppose just a quick question around the the points you've really emphasized throughout the presentation [anon_$056] was community involvement community engagement throughout been at the heart of the success of the project and i think we heard the young fella at the start who was in the video who was doing the clean up and he said it's not [anon_inst86] park it's our park i think that's the type of attitude we're trying to embed in communities when we when we deliver infrastructure and recreation facilities such as this around that consultation piece over the long journey ahead between you know trying to push push for the park and then actually seeing it through to fruition how how would you sort of look at that that process and how we can we can speed that up that consultation piece while ensuring that that the community's voices are heard because obviously we want to roll this out we want to try and and and use projects like this as as exemplars across the city uh but how how would you see that process and and how would you how would you sort of improve that going forward thanks very much again for your presentation 58:45 thanks thanks [anon_$063] 58:46 um i'm just gonna take one more councillor because then we're halfway through the questions if that's okay [anon_$056] councillor [anon_$058] [pause] 58:55 thank you very much chair no listen that that was a fantastic uh presentation and look it's it's great to see see that going out out in [anon_inst37] and i think some of the councillors may have raised good questions about wraparound and and keeping it going i i just wanted if if [anon_$071] is there just to ask him councillor [anon_$042] has been raising for quite a while now about about having a similar skateboard park in [anon_pl91] and i think which is which is a fantastic location it's you know passive surveillance it's on all the bus routes it it would really serve the [anon_pl92] and i just want to know if there's any update on that please thank you 59:28 thanks so we'll go back to [anon_$056] and and uh [anon_$071] here with us so we will get him to uh respond as well after that so [anon_$056] 59:34 again thanks for your questions um just starting off just um [anon_$054] thanks very much for your question uh and i suppose obviously [anon_$054] chairs the board at the [anon_inst148] and he'd have a better understanding than me in terms of financial stability or long term sustainability of [anon_inst148] youth service um at the moment i suppose we have a full complement of adventure center outdoor education staff on grounds of [anon_inst37] of the skate park itself um ho= how sustainable that is i i'm not sure i know the park itself i suppose some of the staff hours have been funded by local partnership um i in particular applied for [breath in] um funding from local partnership for for official [anon_pr92] uh positions within within the actual role itself so we target young people from [anon_inst37] and give them a kind of an insight into the working environment um but i mean this is only sporadic funding um the local drugs task force have also come in and kind of help us out with with certain funding as well um i suppose [breath in] it's a huge investment from [anon_inst148] youth service and how sustainable that will be long term and going forward um is is a big concern for us um i it would be great if [anon_inst86] sports development officers or wherever if you can allocate maybe to other sports development officer outdoor recreation officers to be based at the skate park um i feel would be would be very obliging to the to the situation um and and act as as a kind of immediate uh lets say protecting of of public public services and public infrastructure um thanks [anon_$054] for that um councillor [anon_$070] thanks for your acknowledgement of the of what's going on in the park i feel you backed my point there thanks very much uh [anon_$063] um the consultation process was key as i said from the very very start it's absolutely amazing um i think uh goo= good points [pause] most certainly could have been fast tracked to some of those young people who are you know 12 at the time are now in their 20s and have their own kids now who are bringing their own kids to the park we definitely definitely took a lot of time um but was definitely a key a key the key success player in the actual whole success of the whole park itself um if it if it ever could be improved look just the timeline was just mad obviously look these things take time but it was it was 10 or 12 years before after our first initial um lobbying to [anon_inst86] before we actually could put a bike on the ground um if anything can go on in the background um to speed that process up most certainly [breath in] um i think the next question was for for [anon_$071] from [anon_$058] [pause] 1:01:54 thanks [anon_$056]+ 1:01:55 = can i sorry can i just finish that i just the consultation with [tech noise] community um was quite efficient but the planning and procurement is what took so many years 1:02:07 [tech noise] thanks [anon_$055] [anon_$071] is here with us 1:02:13 yeah ju=just in relation to um [anon_pl91] um the the the construction in [anon_pl179] was a major construction project and it involves um a deep excavation into the ground so [anon_pl91] is a bit more difficult because it's um it's a landfill area and the port tunnel is underneath and there's multiple utilities also so i think what we've agreed to do is look at uh uh um adding to the skatepark facilities in [anon_pl91] uh but in the longer term if we were to look at a larger skate park it probably wouldn't be there in uh [anon_pl91] it might be in a more appropriate site and as [anon_$056] has pointed out you need that community engagement so you know we would like to see it as a place where we would we be sure that it would be um well cared for and managed into the future um so that kind of partnership link would be very important in terms of future location for a skate park in [anon_pl93] 1:03:09 okay thanks [anon_$071] we have three more questions so uh councillor [anon_$042] is next place 1:03:16 go raibh math agat a cathaoirleach and um thanks to [anon_$071] thanks very much for the presentation i'm really pleased to see this [pause] uh facility for children um uh and uh young adolescents uh who who don't particularly like other sports but they love skateboarding so it's a real big plus for those kids uh really well done 100% to the [anon_pr91] i'm absolutely thrilled to see it um i really welcome the response that i got to my last early committee meeting question from um [anon_fn139][anon_sn39] talking about extending the skateboard facility that we have in [anon_pl91] uh it seemed to be kind of missed and i just want to remind [anon_$071] again because [anon_sn40] met us onsite for the launch of the uh [anon_pr57] works which are huge works causing absolute and utter nightmarish uh traffic jams in [anon_pl91] and i just thought [anon_$072] that as part of those works i know it's a separate issue but there's so much going on there at the moment could we take the opportunity to extend the skatepark by whatever amount uh further into [anon_pl91] while those ma=works are ongoing it look it the skate park that's in [anon_pl91] at the moment it's really you know it's a lovely facility we've been i you know i think it was one of the first things i i asked for when i got elected many years ago at this stage but there's kids who love it they they're not into soccer [anon_inst157] they're not into rugby but they love skateboarding skateparking skate= skateboarding in the skate park uh mer= kids in [anon_pl94] need it kids in [anon_pl95] need it uh [anon_$071] um can you have a look at that suggestion about doing something now during these works thanks a million cathaoirleach 1:05:16 thanks councillor uh [anon_$062] 1:05:18 uh thanks a lot chair um just to say as well to [anon_$056] and [anon_$055] i mean really fantastic facility really positive presentation as well uh it was really good i could have kept watching actually there but yeah just one observation and with a little bit of a question and then also another quick question as well i mean one of the things that struck me very quickly especially in relation to bmxing is that this is a really valuable alternative to scramblers as well um and i just wanted to to i just wanted to find out did you have any thoughts around that and you know ha= has there been any feedback in relation to that it would seem that bmxing is a little bit more of a a performance activity you know or it can be you know i just wanted to know if you had any thoughts on that as well i know there's ongoing challenging uh challenges around the image and standing of bmxing and skating if you were to compare the likes of figure skating for instance uh which is a little bit more graceful versus something like skating where people are wearing hoodies and wearing runners i mean there is= there there are um image uh challenges there but certainly if we're and i'm glad um councillor uh [anon_$042] referred to as a sport there as well because both are sports but uh ju= just to talk a little bit or any feedback on on both of these pursuits as as sports and and as uh art forms as well just to maybe discuss or give any feedback um in relation to that uh that you might have thanks 1:06:44 thanks and just a reminder we are we are up against time so uh please be brief um councillor [anon_$072] and then councillor [anon_$032] 1:06:51 thanks chair thanks [anon_$056] for the uh presentation uh sorry thanks [anon_$056] for the presentation um just a few quick questions how many kids were initially involved at the start of the whole process back in 2= uh 2010 and how many kids have you got involved now i know in the northwest area i ive been looking at other councillors for the last few years um a= activities for that bracket where one of the kids in your video says it it's never catered for and we were looking at hangout spaces is there many kids that would hang out there and not use the facility um second question if if if we could get that presentation shared to all councillors and then my last question [anon_$056] is ha= you know we uh the northwest area had a visit out there i remember a number of months ago i'm just wondering after that we were told that there there would be engagement with the youth resource centers in in [anon_pl55] and [anon_pl96] i'm just wondering has there been any engagement with yourself there thanks very much and thanks for all your work 1:07:55 thanks councillor uh so go back oh sorry councillor [anon_$032] [pause] 1:08:02 thank you uh chair i'm conscious of time and how much just to say i i think it's great and it's great to see that the community have worked with this and um young people themselves i think it's something to to take um that learning you know into other projects the success of that and i know it's taken a lot of of commitment from the community as well to to help the ongoing management of that um but i say in the in the fair in the [anon_pl91] i mean it seems to be that like we obviously we can't go for such an extensive um you know because it may be that we don't have the we can't do the excavations but just sort of simple measures in terms of extending some of it but i think that needs to be done in consultation with the actual you= young people that use that skatepark because they know like you know we wouldn't know what our difference between our half rails and our what type of ramps they're having or whatever you know [laugh] um uh it's a while since i've been on a skateboard though i did i did i did like it for until uh my like cousin was doing a lot better than me and i i gave it up [laugh] but um but uh just yeah i think that you know i mean even lights we've had you know come across as i mean as councillor [anon_$042] been bringing it up and i think that skate park was first moted when when the port tunnel was being built as as a possibility to use some of the funding back then so it's it's been a long time and it's so well used um you know the [anon_ev21] was in the park yesterday which was great to see all the the cyclists and young people+ 1:09:29 =sorry [anon_$032] can i= we just have you have you got a question for [anon_$056] or [anon_$055] 1:09:33 +okay thanks yeah i just wanted to ask um i see there's lights there on the skate park there and is there any how do you how did you go about putting in the lights and what was the system of lighting that you used uh for safe lighting because i assume that they can use it you know the winter evenings it's its dark um you know um quite early so what time does it close at or is it open you know in= into the evenings or even early evenings and and what type of lighting do you use thank you 1:10:02 thanks so [anon_$071] has just said that he'll get back to the councillors from the area about the uh [anon_pl91] bu= so we'll leave the rest of the questions for [anon_$056] and [anon_$055] so back to you [anon_$056] 1:10:11 [tech noise] i'll just take the first question then from [anon_$062] um i suppose the whole [pause] relationship between bmx and scramblers um i=we don't see them as as connected in any way um i mean what we're trying to portray uh with young people who come to the skate park itself i mean the bmx is only really a carrot at the end of the stick um and it's it's our engagement and it's it's the structure that the the bmx sport and being a member of a local club [breath in] and being a member of your local [pause] contributing member of your local area particular for [anon_inst148] and for [anon_inst37] itself is what's key to us um young people come down uh we do see scramblers pair and pass and all their socks off and we do completely separate the idea of the use of a bmx and a scrambler um in terms of of legality let's say um and that's something that we would encourage in the development of of scrambler facilities within the area itself um [breath in] um uh just just a whole culture based around bmxing bmx worldwide carries a very very positive culture we=we've seen young people starting to turn up and and looks so more kind of you know uh [pause] self neglected let's say um not looking after and not caring for themselves and and bmx the image and and what's portrayed in magazines and worldwide competitions such as the [anon_ev23] i mean they're all wearing the hats now they're getting their hair cuts into kind of surfing kind of bmx shape kind of um things are starting to wear certain clothes uh they're starting to kind of pick themselves up and that has an underlining kind of uplifting kind of mental health kind of factor then as well it's a real positive image positive culture that we're trying to portray around bmx um just moving on to the next question that [anon_$045] how many kids were included i know back in 2010 we had almost uh between 1000 and 1500 visits from people in that particular year uh who were engaging in in bike related activities from bmx to mountain biking to just general cycles around the actual area itself um it's really hard to grasp how many people are involved in actual at at the moment i mean if you drive past that that we don't only see it as the skatepark but the play park is what we call it which combines the skatepark and the actual [breath in] play facility as well i mean there could be three four or 500 young people and families and grandfathers and mothers and so on and connections of families using the actual park itself when we're running our bmx club we're not only running clubs for bmx and we're not only allowing people to avail of the facility of the bikes and we're also running outreach programs and engaging with other local young people within the park itself and and and engaging those and and signing those guys up to to the further kind of um [breath in] broad spectrum of the actual youth service itself so in terms of um numbers itself but every monday and every thursday we've at least 30 to 40 young people [breath in] engaging in bmx activities and again sure we we be going into hundreds then after that once we run into our outreach program [tech noise] [anon_$055] might elaborate in any kind of points here um the lights and the security of the park have been absolutely key as well i mean there's there's we got some new fencing around the park but we didn't want it in the first place but we did just for concerns for residents and public safety there= there's a there's a whole stream of fencing around the park at the moment um and the lights come on the lights come on say four o'clock every day and they go off they go off at 10pm every night at the park itself is opened by [anon_inst86] parks and staff members um between eight and nine in the morning and [anon_inst148] at the moment we lock the park every single night um in the winter months it closes at nine o'clock up until may and then june july and august it'll be open until 10pm uh each night [breath in] and that's facilitated by our dedicated outreach crew which is mainly myself and two other members of staff it's where we closed the bmx club and we we spend some time within the park engaging with local young people and signing them up for [breath in] for for various different variety of different activities available to them from [anon_inst148] and we engage with them and make sure they understand the importance of leaving the facility then as well at the appropriate time and then we lock up and and repeat our process the next day[tech noise] [sniffle] thanks for thanks for the questions 1:14:09 thanks [anon_$056] [anon_$055] would you like to add anything 1:14:10 [tech noise] just really quickly [tech noise] um our initial club in 2010 had [pause] 25 members um we were very restricted we could only take 12 out in any week because that's how many fit on the bus and we would go from one park to another um the the club itself at the moment um has 80 80 to 90 members at the moment but obviously that is just the bmx club and it doesn't include all the outreach and all the other activities that we would run in the park and it doesn't include [pause] all the other um hundreds and hundreds of people who use the park 1:14:57 [pause] [breath in] thank you very much [anon_$055] um uh we've covered a lot there i think you can hear the enthusiasm for the great work that you're doing uh which is uh fabulous thank you for+ 1:15:11 = [tech noise] sorry can i just !unclear/!+ 1:15:11 =oh go ahead 1:15:12 +can i just add one other [tech noise] thing we are hoping and i this is a question for me back to [anon_inst86] we are hoping to have an official opening because obviously um the skatepark [tech noise] opened uh in june 2020 um in the middle of covid when none of that was possible [anon_inst37] um are having a festival in the first week of july and so we were really hoping to be able to have an official opening then if that's um uh a suitable time for you guys 1:15:44 that sounds excellent we look forward to an invitation [laugh] thank you very much uh [anon_$055] and [anon_$054] uh uh i i know i'm pushing for time constantly but you've packed a lot in so thank you very much for joining us um and well done on all of your work [breath in] okay everyone we're going to move on to our motions um i am going to use the [anon_inst158] rules about motions which means proposers will get two minutes other speakers will get 90 seconds and the uh proposer will get one minute at the end um so uh item number four is referred to us from the draft [anon_pr26] uh it was deemed um [lip smack] uh operational in nature compared to what's going into the [anon_pr26] so it's come back to us uh is there a member of the [anon_inst159] that would like to speak to the motion before we get management to respond 1:16:35 i can speak to it um chair 1:16:38 go ahead 1:16:38 yeah um yeah i i just um just to say that i i understand that the chief executive has said that um that it's um outside the scope of the [anon_pr26] in his mind that it's an operational matter but i do believe that it's it's actually an objective um on in the [anon_pr26] that we should enhance and look for opportunities where we can um i suppose a lot of uh to reverse um the the destruction of of nature and the loss of biodiversity that we need to be a lot more proactive in that and that we should be looking for opportunities to provide um you know space for nature within our city and um i think even though we have a [anon_pr58] i think it needs to be clearly integrated into the the [anon_pr26] like um you know like heritage like anything else if we don't actually have a proactive um part in that and um i i think that the wording that is existing there is very limited in its scope and that this uh really it means that we're a lot more proactive in looking for habitats and and spaces that nature can thrive in and that biodiversity especially the day after um um a nat= after a national biodiversity day and on the week of um biodiversity week i think i would like the support of the councillors to putting this into the [anon_pr26] thank you [pause] 1:18:11 thank you councillor um+ 1:18:12 =![unclear]/! of the committee of everybody thanks [laugh] 1:18:14 +[laugh] thanks councillor [anon_$032] uh i believe we've a response from management 1:18:20 yep um the um i think the objective that councillor [anon_$032] there was referring to um i i think that's really covered in the the [anon_pr58] which we uh was was approved at council in 20= or in in recent months uh and we're due to publish it um soon [tech noise] um there's a whole series of actions within that uh which include various surveys and uh conservation um programs [tech noise] um so i think most of that carry is co= covered within the [anon_pr58] um and [tech noise] um and [pause] um the [anon_pr58] itself is referenced within the [anon_pr26] 1:19:02 mhmm [pause] 1:19:08 so we think that's that's adequate to cover uh the objectives as set out by [anon_$032] 1:19:14 thank you [anon_$071] uh councillor [anon_$037] and again speakers have 90 seconds um on on motions so councillor [anon_$037] 1:19:21 i was just simply i was just simply uh just going to make the point that i would have thought this is a motion should go to the [anon_pr26] motions uh rather than to because if you want if you want something included in the [anon_pr26] but i do take i do take [anon_$071]'s uh points on this and uh i can see that perhaps we do need to support the management report on it in that sense thank you 1:19:45 thank you councillor [anon_$037] just so people know this began as a motion to the [anon_pr26] and it was brought it was directed away from the [anon_pr26] to [anon_inst91] ![unclear]/! 1:19:55 okay i see okay 1:19:58 thanks councillor [anon_$037] uh councillor [anon_$042] 1:20:00 yeah i agree with uh what councillor um [anon_$037] said there that it's a motion for the [anon_pr26] and if it was directed away from the [anon_pr26] i presume now i can't remember it uh chair but if it was directed away from the [anon_pr26] to the [anon_inst91] i don't think the intention was to put it as a motion to the [anon_inst91] to get it into the [laugh] [anon_pr26] uh i'm i'm a little bit concerned about what's happening with this but certainly my experience with [anon_$071] and his team [anon_sn41] um and the outgoing um um [anon_sn42] uh there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that everything that's in that uh proposal uh is is is in the minds and hearts and souls of those individuals and the team so i would be inclined to support the manager's report thanks 1:20:56 thank you councillor um i don't see anybody else raising their hand so can i ask are we happy to accept the uh management report uh+ 1:21:06 =um 1:21:07 +considering that the policies and procedures that are mentioned do come through the [anon_inst91] 1:21:11 chair can i come back in please as the proposer thanks+ 1:21:15 =oh apologies councillor [anon_$032] go ahead 1:21:16 +um yeah well this this came from a number of of councillors it was it was in november why it's taken so long to get to the [anon_inst91] i don't understand and i only just just saw it on the agenda and joined the meeting and asked for a link um so i wasn't aware that it was even coming up um but i think it's a bit um [lip smack] you know it's one of the the the roles that a councillors have uh in terms of um reserve function is to make our [anon_pr26] um and this i think was uh you know a very proactive way not saying not dismissing we do have you know a [anon_pr58] but just to make sure that the type of the development that we have in the city that we do actually make space for nature and that we do actually protect um you know biodiversity um and that it's not just a ma= managerial function i think it is the role of the councillors to do this um it's it's a role of us um all to protect uh nature and to protect uh biodiversity but i am sensing that i don't get the support from my fellow councillors on this so um we will take the chief executive's uh views um and and i'll take that i'm i'm it's unfortunate but i would like to put it to a vote thank you [pause] 1:22:32 so so [tech noise] councillor [anon_$032] are you asking us to vote on whether this should go in the [anon_pr26] 1:22:36 um but i'm not sure why it was reserve= why it was um put onto the this this particular [laugh] but i assumed it's because we decide on policy at this particular um um you know um that strategic policy committee decides on policy of the council and you know if this is a policy issue and a policy issue that should be that the members feel should be in the [anon_pr26] perhaps that's something we should consider + 1:23:02 =so [cough] 1:23:02 +if it isn't if it is that if we we feel that it is um a sole reserve of the management to decide in these issues well that be it that um and and agree+ 1:23:12 =okay thank you thank you [anon_$032] 1:23:13 thank you 1:23:13 so we we don't have the authority here about [anon_pr26] matters that's uh a matter for the full council and we we have the opportunity to put in motions to the current draft um that's happening later this week um so i think the purpose of it coming to the [anon_inst91] is for us to hear more about wh= why it's more operational and i think we've heard that [breath in] um so i'd prefer not to put this to a vote um but i i can see that the manager is looking to come in here uh [anon_$033] 1:23:41 yeah no thanks very much chair um it's uh it's a reserve function that's part of ![unclear]/! i think the reason it was sent back uh to the [anon_inst91] was to have a broader discussion on the issue uh that the [anon_inst159] brought over and i think [anon_$071] has sort of dealt with it in terms of uh where ![unclear]/! the actions that they're doing the [anon_rr58] was actually linked into the [anon_pr26] so it was to allow a broader debate as opposed to uh putting a motion down uh for for uh agreement or not this morning 1:24:21 okay thank you [anon_$033] uh are we happy that we've had a chance to discuss this and that we can move on to the next motion [pause] 1:24:30 chair 1:24:32 councillor [anon_$042] 1:24:33 yeah look it uh there was there was a kind of an implication in something that councillor [anon_$032] mentioned there that uh all councillors need to be involved in the protection and enhancement and preservation of the biodiversity nothing could be further from the truth as far as i'm concerned in terms of the councillors [breath in] on [anon_inst86] so we have already put this into the [anon_pr26] i'm just concerned about the way this is happening so there's nobody here not concerned about the preservation of the biodiversity to enhance and protect all of our lives and our health but it's it's you know if if we pass this to go into the [anon_pr26] well then every [anon_inst91] across the city is going to be putting motions that get refused into their [anon_inst91] i have concerns about the process here okay so i'm happy not to accept what's being asked here which is that this go in that this ammends the [anon_pr26] it's just the process chair uh so let's be clear about all of us we all care nobody cares more about biodiversity than the next person it's a very huge it's a huge issue in our lives so it's the process here that i'm not happy with thanks 1:25:55 i support [anon_$042] 1:25:57 thank you councillors uh so my understanding is this was referred to us we've had a response which shows that what is being looked for in the motion is covered within policies particularly the [anon_pr58] we've had a chance to discuss this i'm going to move on to the next motion 1:26:13 sorry chair chair could i just come in on a point of information please 1:26:16 go ahead councillor [anon_$058] 1:26:17 yeah my understanding is that councillors can put anything they like into the [anon_pr26] at at any stage at any motion um i i got that impression from from speaking to [anon_sn24] at a workshop and we're not bound by um sticking to certain certain motions at certain times so i think they could if they wanted it they could put that motion back in if they want you know+ 1:26:36 =thank you coun 1:26:36 +i believe they're entitled so thank you 1:26:39 thank you councillor [anon_$058] and thank you coun= chair 1:26:41 thank you okay we'll move on uh motion five is from the [anon_inst89] uh councillor [anon_sn43] i'm not sure if [anon_sn43] is with us [pause] [tech noise] 1:26:53 um if councillor [anon_sn43] is not here may i propose the motion on her behalf 1:26:59 you're very welcome to councillor [anon_$037] you have two minutes 1:27:02 [paper shuffling] yeah uh okay well uh i just [tech noise] uh i think the points that uh uh [anon_inst89] is making in this um the fact that these positions are disappearing is something that is very serious uh and i support her and i want to make uh a a wider point in all of this there are positions and roles disappearing in this council by the month um and quite frankly i think it's time that we actually would get a report at uh our [anon_inst91] of any roles or any any positions that have disappeared or plan to disappear uh it can be said i suppose that staffing is not a role for the for the uh for councillors but certainly the services of the [anon_inst93] is very much a role for the for councillors um so i i very strongly support her motion and as i said it would be very useful in fact if we had more focus uh on uh the way staff are disappearing in various uh uh sections of [anon_inst93] at uh an alarming rate but i think that's something for all of us to work on together [pause] 1:28:13 thank you councillor [anon_$037] uh i believe we have an update from [anon_$069] thanks go ahead [anon_$069] 1:28:17 yep thanks chair um i suppose just as a point of clarity uh there's no intention of these two posts uh actually being terminated um and i suppose to echo what the [anon_inst89] has in the in her motion um uh the sports inclusion officers [anon_sn25] and [anon_sn44] uh carried out excellent work uh over the last three years uh and have um uh had some amazing uh outreach programs and unfortunately for us both of them have uh now moved on to other jobs they they applied and were successful in competitions and i wish them the best of luck they did great work for us while they were here [breath in] um but we're now working towards uh putting together uh a new competition for the posts uh which we will advertise as soon as we possibly can um uh like a lot of things at the moment there's a there's a huge demand for uh new new advertising of the posts so uh we'll be working with our hr department on on doing that and i suppose just in the meantime uh we're not forgetting about the groups uh who would have been involved with uh [anon_fn98] and with [anon_fn99] uh and we're facilitating those uh and the programs as much as we can to our sports development officers and that will continue until the posts are filled [pause] 1:29:30 thank you [anon_$069] before i go back to councillor [anon_$037] does anyone have any questions or anything to say [pause] [breath in] okay uh thank you [anon_$069] again i think that was very clear councillor [anon_$037] would you like to 1:29:41 no i'm quite happy just to put it+ 1:29:43 =yeah 1:29:43 +yeah ![unclear]/! put it i mean the fact that uh we have been reassured um that uh these posts um are being advertised that's i'm happy enough with that and i'm sure the [anon_inst89] would be too [tech noise] 1:29:55 wonderful can i uh take that motion as adopted [pause] 1:30:01 agreed yes 1:30:02 thank you very much um motion six from [anon_$060] um would you [pause] like to introduce your motion [tech noise] 1:30:12 go raibh math agat+ 1:30:12 =you have two minutes 1:30:13 +go raibh math agat cathaoirleach so the context for this motion is one of my hobbyhorses which is the lack of space for culture in the city center [breath in] long term solutions will take a long time um but i'm wondering if there might be uh some short term measures that could be taken [breath in] um i realize that this is work for the [anon_inst93] and for the [anon_inst86] i'd be interested to hear their view um [breath in] even i've even encountered the issue in [anon_pl97] where i live and where i'm involved in organizing [anon_ev24] the community and arts festival we approached um an an auctioneer who had [breath in] um a premises on their books and we weren't able to use it because the the owner was concerned about a change in their rates um but and it's still vacant um so yes [anon_inst93] have a sense of what properties it has what kind it used to be made of it and whether they have the capacity to be the adjudicators i note for example what what looks like a very promising process where the arts office are now [breath in] um looking for i think up to 14 um organizations or artists to use film base that has been vacant for a long time so i certainly think that's a good precedent and um and the council has the capacity and i do think that [breath in] um this could be a solution at least in the short term so the problems we're having around space for culture [pause] sin é 1:31:28 thank you uh thank you [anon_$060] um [anon_$073] is is isn't with us at the moment but i'm um along with a few other members part of the working group+ 1:31:37 =oh [anon_$073] is there !unclear/! [laugh] 1:31:38 oh sorry [anon_$073] you are there 1:31:39 [laugh] 1:31:39 sorry [anon_$073] [pause] i didn't think you're with us you want to take this one [anon_$073] 1:31:43 he's in america 1:31:44 um so the the um [lip smack] the um proposal i think came through [anon_inst161] and the external member [anon_$060] about um +that was 1:31:55 +yeah that was sorry [anon_$073] that was [anon_fn100] um [anon_sn45] of [anon_ev25] he's not a member of the [anon_inst91] but is a member of the arts and culture advisory group so i took the motion of over [anon_fn100] feel this acutely as i'm looking for venues for young artists for the [anon_ev25] sorry [anon_$073] 1:32:09 no problem uh to to in some way um you know fast track planning around you know the use of spaces which which may have a different use so for example rezoned for retail [breath in] um and there is provision uh and i say this informally to for the [anon_inst86] to to enter into partnership with with groups around spaces however you know i i do think it's a planning issue and i asked [anon_fn100] at the time to perhaps do some research or send me you know uh what she thought wo= would be the condition that we could work under and i started to make inquiries because [anon_pl41] is where she quoted uh where it would be but it it's a planning issue and change of use is uh is a problem if if people go in if an owner wants to use something for cultural use if it was zoned for something else but i don't think it's insurmountable and i started to to talk to the planning uh officers about that um however uh i think the the wholesale use of empty spaces very quickly for the arts is a challenge um for all for all kinds of reasons mainly uh due to due to the ownership of those buildings and if the council become involved how how indeed the commercially can change the value very quickly um so uh i can all i can really say is that i need to do a bit more work on it and uh you know to consult the plan [tech noise] [pause] 1:33:33 [breath in] thank you [anon_$073] as a number of speakers just reminder to speakers that you've got 90 seconds uh on a motion so first we have councillor [anon_$037] 1:33:43 [breath in] uh thank you very much chair i very much support uh [anon_$060] motion and i think one of the ways of doing this that i would suggest to him um if he agrees that maybe you would amend that to a working group is established uh to find ways of doing that so i mean i think there's nothing better than having members of the [anon_inst91] and the staff working together and for the planning department to find uh um um imaginative way to deal with you know these kinds of temporary changes [tech noise] 1:34:17 thank you counc= um [anon_$062] please [pause] 1:34:19 um thanks chair just to support wholeheartedly uh [anon_$060]'s um motion here i mean just to cut quickly to it because i think we've been having this conversation for a little while it's obviously one of the biggest issues probably the biggest issue that's facing the city and arts communities at the moment but it does appear that we need dedicated personnel working on this i know [anon_$073] has his you know is doing his best and has his hands full with lots of things there um i'm not saying that the council should do it all i think there's an opportunity here for the culture department to come on board maybe in a one to two year partnership uh it could involve the housing departments there was a recent uh planning workshop that we took [swallow] took part in um and that uh the deputy planner uh uh was in on also i mean i i think we you know we can all point the finger at the council it's easy to do i do it we all do it uh but at the end of the day we want these things to happen you know so um again maybe a question back to [anon_$073] as well uh and i don't know if you'd be at liberty to answer this but do you think it would be a good idea to get a government department on board with this because i think it is their responsibility to provide resources and funding for for such a project to to be ambitious with this and to and to get+ 1:35:36 =thanks [anon_$062] 1:35:36 +things done asap 1:35:39 uh councillor [anon_$042] um looks like she's away from her screen so i'll come back to her councillor [anon_$032] again 90 seconds [pause] 1:35:49 thank you chair i just want to support this um this motion and i think it's really very necessary um that we have these cultural spaces um so that we can actually work so people can work in the arts and i know that [anon_$073]'s been working hard on that i do welcome the the film base and other spaces but um you know we there are there are vacant spaces a lot of this in= industrial spaces there's empty shops and you know i just think that there's often just too many things that prevent these spaces being used and i know [anon_inst86] previously had a vacant space or um [breath in] workshops and various things but the spaces that were actually even becoming available had so many restrictions around them they still had full rates we were told we couldn't reduce the rates even though they were able to do that in [anon_pl41] and we weren't able to do them in [anon_pl42] and also there may not be there would maybe be washing our even toilet facilities and we're told we couldn't open at night so therefore as an exhibition space you know we couldn't have an opening so it just didn't make sense so um you know i just think that we need to sort of consult with those that would use the space and just be with the licensing system that you know we could have it would mean that people wouldn't maybe get tenancy rights on it that's a concern that people would have i'm sure we can facilitate it and we can come to a way that works um because there's nothing you know that brings down an area more than vacant spaces and if we can have culture and vibrancy in an area um then it's it's all the better so i really support this and um you know whatever resources that are needed um i can't expect [anon_$073]+ 1:37:24 =thank you councillor 1:37:24 +to be doing it all he's doing wonderful work as as it is+ 1:37:27 =thank you councillor um councillor [anon_$042] are you ready [pause] no i'll come back to you uh councillor [anon_$074] [pause] 1:37:37 thank you um and i wholeheartedly support this motion um i think [tech noise] you know we have talked a lot about meanwhile use for cultural purposes over the last number of years and in fairness i have to commend [anon_$073] and the whole team and the progress that has been made particularly around [anon_pl98] and now film base is really welcome um [lip smack] the= but we do need to and i also support what [anon_$062] was suggesting we need to link in with the government and i wonder as an [anon_inst95] can we agree to write to [anon_inst162] because we do have commitments in the program of government around meanwhile use and i know that [anon_inst162] is very keen to start looking at and actively progressing that so i wonder can we agree to write to the [anon_inst162] [;ip smack] suggesting a meeting to try and start that conversation because it'd be very important that we collaborate on a national local level on this and just in with particular reference to what we own the [anon_inst163] underneath the the old [anon_inst163] sorry i know it was something else since then in uh in the square underneath [anon_inst164] we= my understanding is that's within [anon_inst86] ownership is that correct and that's vacant can we not start can we not look at that as uh potential space um to support [anon_ev25] and any of the other festivals as a rehearsal space or additional workspace or something cos it's kind of criminal that's been lying vacant for as long as it has thank you 1:38:57 [pause] uh thank you councillor [anon_$074] i'll put the question about writing to [anon_inst162] after we agree or disagree the motion whichever happens uh councillor [anon_$063] 1:39:05 [tech noise] yeah thanks very much chair and thanks to um [anon_$060] for putting this motion down i fully support it and just to pick up on something that councillor [anon_$037] mentioned around the working group there is an artist workspace subcommittee um which which is which is now a bit more formalized than it previously was does have representation from the planning department of [anon_inst86] on it as well as as well as the the development department so it's it's it's a good uh information space where we where we share information and i think the the the priority of that subcommittee is to is to push exactly what you're talking about is to is to make active use of of derelict and vacant premises ju= just sitting around the city doing nothing and we know the artist's sector and and and and cultural sector is absolutely starving of of spaces uh to do what they do best so i think um referring this this this motion to that committee and seeing what what sort of work can be done um across [anon_inst93] and then indeed i agree with councillor [anon_$074] and [anon_$062] about linking in with with the relevant government department at a national level as well just to try and put as much impetus behind this as possible thanks very much for the motion again 1:40:17 thanks councillor councillor [anon_$042] 1:40:18 [tech noise] thanks somebody called to my door working at working from home and i'm sorry i didn't get the end of [anon_$073]'s i didn't get the end of [anon_$073]'s uh response but i i i uh think [anon_$060]'s motion is is an excellent motion um [breath in] [cough] i would like um to see um us identifying and maybe [anon_$060] could do it um in conjunction with [anon_$073] uh identifying say 10 or 20 spaces that might be appropriate and focus in on them because no matter how small um the venue i just know that um providing a space uh for people uh to either rehearse or to perform uh to make our city alive a live place or more lively lively a living place can can only be good for the citizens and can only be good for our city so i i suppose i'd like an answer to could we identify say 10 or 20 spaces in our ownership that could be we could target and we could focus in on go raibh math agat cathaoirleach 1:41:29 thank you councillor councillor [anon_$075] 1:41:30 [tech noise] thanks chair and um firstly i just wanna say i wholeheartedly support the motion um we've been talking about this for a long long time um as long as i've been on the committee and also on the advisory group and i think it's it's [breath out] it's urgent now it's not just something to keep talking about [breath out] and as other speakers have said it goes across [pause] several different departments and indeed the government should be involved as well and i wonder if the task force um under [anon_sn46] even if they could could target this maybe look at look at as well i'm just trying to think of some way that we could move this [breath in] along um as opposed to you know referring it to [pause] another committee or somewhere else you know for a report because let's say for example [anon_ev25] happens in september and [breath] i was gonna raise the issue under under uh monetary support but you have the artists down in in [anon_pl99] [breath in] being um made homeless and so it is urgent that's my point and i think we really need to move on this thank you 1:42:35 [tech noise] thanks councillor councillor [anon_$065] 1:42:39 uh thanks very much chair am uh and thanks very much for the the motion um i what you call it just want to wholeheartedly support it it makes eminent sense and i think um uh i would go along with um councillor [anon_$037 ] in terms of maybe working group to have a look at it with the various um interested parties but also in the=councillor [anon_$042] in terms of identifying a few specific ones to get moving on if there was a uh uh couple of early wins on this um it would be excellent um provided tenancy health and safety and insurance an issues are addressed i can't see why we can't make this happen thanks [pause] 1:43:19 thank you councillor and final speaker councillor [anon_$058] [breath out] 1:43:23 yeah no look listen every every point that i was gonna make has been made and more so um i just want to wholeheartedly support to support this motion [anon_$060] and well done it's an excellent motion thank you [pause] 1:43:34 okay thank you very much councillor um so [anon_$060] i'll bring you back in in a moment um the the so there's a a few things have come up so i'm going to just lay them out um as i see them uh first is uh the motion and whether that motion should be referred to the workspaces um subcommittee [breath in] um we also have the suggestion of identifying and prioritizing a number of units or spaces to be prioritized in the work of of determining the the meanwhile use um scheme 1:44:03 [cough] 1:44:03 or whatever you want to call it and then finally whether we should write to the [anon_inst167] to look for um a department to engage with us on it those are the three things i'm hearing from the debate um uh does any management want to come in before i go to [anon_$060] 1:44:17 um just to say that the uh e=formally ![unclear]/! [anon_inst153] space chair will will become part of an open call uh i think around september it needs a big clean out and it it would uh it would have temporary use meanwhile use is not a planning term it's more of an aspirational term that people use around the arts it it it's temporary use i've already written to [anon_sn47] about [anon_inst153] and she's suggesting the potential of a partnership but if we don't a big point i want to make we don't own spaces [pause] it's very difficult a lot of them are [anon_pl100] the core 1000s of euro uh to refurbish them [cough] units like that and there= and there are a lot of issues around uh [pause] around nighttime use that and and security around those venues there's a a lot of issues but al= also um like some some of the councillors raised um you know why can't we just simply get all those empty spaces and move them on to the [tech noise] arts that discussion has gone on for at least the 10 years [laugh] i've been in council uh it it is not simple we can't simply identify properties and say these properties are going to change their economic value to the owner and be moved over to the arts like in the case of [anon_pl101] and just to say the good news here there is going to be you know 14 spaces at [anon_pl101] uh we're going to have you know temporary use of eight nine [anon_pl98] [anon_inst163] will come you know into into the mix as will film base of the 1500 spaces we think are required we might be able to get 200 uh across the line the next couple of years that that's the scale that we're dealing with and uh i think we need to move from the aspirational we need more spaces to just as uh people have said to identifying spaces but also we need to work with the property department and the development department to make sure that these are spaces that we want to acquire or that we can develop uh you know a proper commercial relationship with the case of [anon_pl101] we are subsidizing the rents directly through [anon_pr59] because owners simply won't give their spaces over at 50% of rent or 30% which is what artists can actually afford [pause] 1:44:31 thanks very much so i i've laid out what we um will be agreeing to if we agree this motion uh [anon_$060] you have the right to reply you have 60 seconds 1:46:33 thank you all for your contributions in a way this is a naiive motion which just says there is a problem that can we solve it this way so i really appreciate everything that uh those who've spoken have added to it i don't want to make work for the arts office but i think they're doing a good job so far so maybe they can increase their capacity i'm also glad that [anon_$073] mentioned uh [anon_inst163] because we hear your reports on it through the [anon_inst161] and i think that's another indication of the the competence and credibility of the arts officer to do uh to councillor [anon_$042] uh yeah exactly we can't get everything in one go we= i think would make more sense to focus on a smaller number and precisely as [anon_$073] said i think the issue is that meanwhile use has no legal basis so if we were to establish the capacity for temporary use and and the planning to support that not only would the [anon_inst93] be able to help people but people might be able to help themselves in the case where they wanted to change the use as long as it was clearly spelled out and not uh capable of being abused i mean it strikes me it's as bit odd though that um you know i mean you're talking about economic value but these are these are spaces that it's it's more beneficial for people to lie= leave lying idle for a long time rather than let somebody use it for a short period of time along clearly um clearly established parameters [pause] so 1:47:41 thanks [anon_$060] 1:47:42 thank you 1:47:43 thank you um so just before i ask for the committee's agreement can i ask which minister um may i be writing to are we looking for support from arts and culture or from planning and local government [pause] or both 1:47:57 arts and culture 1:47:58 arts and culture 1:47:59 arts and culture okay thank you 1:48:00 arts and culture as a start yeah 1:48:03 just checking um thank you very much+ 1:48:06 =thank you 1:48:07 +okay so if we are to agree this motion i i will write to [anon_inst162] we will um uh engage with the working group that councillors [anon_$074] [anon_$063] myself and [anon_$068] were on and um i'm i'm sure that we'll arrange for that working group to report back into um i think we agreed that it will come back to [anon_inst161] but we'll we'll make sure it [tech noise] appears on the [anon_inst91] in the future as well [breath in] can= are we agreed 1:48:31 yes thank you 1:48:32 agreed 1:48:32 agreed 1:48:32 agreed 1:48:32 agreed 1:48:33 thank you everyone 1:48:34 agreed 1:48:36 um our next motion is motion seven uh submitted by uh councillor [anon_sn48] who has had to leave the meeting so i'm happy to move it on his behalf um but um i would suggest that we refer it to the [anon_inst225] is that agreed 1:48:50 and i'm happy to second that 1:48:51 agreed 1:48:53 agreed 1:48:54 just on a point of order um maureen o'hara hasn't been dead for long enough is that not an issue just in case 1:48:59 20 years [tech noise] 1:49:00 is she 1:49:01 your point yeah you've got to be dead 20 years 1:49:04 yeah if she hasn't been dead for 20 years [laugh] 1:49:07 well it depends if that that's that's for 1:49:09 yeah 1:49:09 it doesn't apply to everything so it was there might be [breath in] ways we can look at it but i i'd be be happy to refer to the the committee 1:49:16 yeah [tech noise] 1:49:17 thank you councillor [anon_$036] yeah i think that that debate happens in that forum 1:49:21 yeah 1:49:21 so i think it's good for us to to refer it that way um and i believe there's a statue of her in [anon_pl78] that needs a home um 1:49:29 [laugh] well i think that will make all the difference+ 1:49:31 =[laugh] 1:49:31 +if the money is there to put it up 1:49:33 i see a report that that statue is moving 1:49:35 yeah absoultely ![unclear]/! 1:49:40 [laugh] 1:49:40 !unclear/! to [anon_pl44] north side 1:49:42 it was reported there today that that the artist wants it moved so there you go 1:49:46 yeah 1:49:47 thank you councillor um i'm wondering has councillor [anon_$061] returned he had to [tech noise] step out of the meeting [pause] no so if members+ 1:49:58 =chair hi can you hear me 1:49:59 yes 1:49:59 oh i can hear you there councillor [anon_$061] do you want to go ahead 1:50:03 yeah no thanks for that chair and thanks for uh delaying the motion there yeah look um a motion was passed in i think it was june of 2018 uh that [anon_inst86] should try to uh honor and commemorate the struggle of the lgbt uh q community [tech noise] um can you hear me 1:50:22 yes 1:50:23 yes 1:50:24 just apologies i'm i'm in transit at the moment um and on foot of that motion being unanimously supported by all members of previous uh arts [anon_inst91] a working group was established um which has uh the arts officer the public arts officer uh a couple of public representatives and three uh representatives of constituents organizations of the lgbtq community so what i'm seeking to do today chair um is to reconstitute that working group because that has met over the uh four years since that motion was proposed and passed [baby crying] and was doing some good work uh the local elections in 2019 did um uh interrupt the work and then of course the pandemic [baby crying] kicked in uh less than a year later [baby crying] um so look uh with the permission and with the support of the members and it's obviously open to ye [baby crying] cos you're the members in terms of how to reconstitute the the working group but i i do think it's important that uh because all of the uh the members of the the working group that was set up are keen uh to to move it along and actually progress and realize uh that motion [baby crying] from 2018 so that's it [baby crying] uh there we want to i've got a screaming child in the car apologies 1:51:38 [laugh] 1:51:38 um i'm looking to reconstitute [baby crying] the working group and um [baby crying] move progress the work along so that we can actually have physically and uh [baby crying] fully honor the lgbt communities struggling [baby crying] for full equality in [anon_pl42] 1:51:51 yeah we need it 1:51:51 thanks chair 1:51:52 thanks councillor [anon_$061] uh 1:51:54 second that 1:51:55 yeah 1:51:56 great tha= thanks everyone i would just like to get a brief update from the manager who um was going to look into this i think [anon_$076] 1:52:05 or uh [anon_$073] 1:52:07 or [anon_$073] 1:52:07 just to say uh chair we had a very successful consultation with the lgbtqi plus community in recent weeks uh where they they have to head off now and begin to look at a brief for uh the kind of work of art they may want to see and a possible location within the city uh this is the beginning of creating value this happens around this is for example happening around the decade of commemoration uh committee as well it is important to say too that it it's quite a diverse community you know to state the obvious uh and there are lots of issues around safety for example of the lgbtq community which came through in that consultation uh and they they would want it located in a central area and that the central part of the city and that provides particular challenges to find that that kind of location they also need to unify their brief uh because each part of that community has a very different point of view uh as to what they're what they're looking for and i think that it'd be it'd be great for their organizations to work closely together first before a brief could um could come in and that's what we agreed with them that they would do and they'll be back to us in a couple of months 1:53:19 thank you so uh i think this is agreed 1:53:24 agreed yeah 1:53:25 agreed 1:53:26 yeah thank you um but members i did make a mistake i should have asked before quarter past if people were happy to extend the meeting we're not going to get through the agenda in the next six minutes can i extend the meeting uh until 11:45 1:53:39 agreed 1:53:39 agreed yeah 1:53:40 yeah agreed 1:53:41 thank you um we have done with our motions so we move on to item nine um which is the [anon_pr94] this has been drafted by [anon_$077] ceo of [anon_inst165] um and if we are to adopt this um draft it will go to the [anon_inst93] uh for uh adoption um so [anon_$077] would you like to introduce it and we can take any questions or suggestions 1:54:10 yeah thanks very much councillor just to clarify i didn't draft it at all i was in a working group of um people from all of the relevant sections who um have a remit on collections in the [anon_inst93] and together we uh worked through this and drafted this together so it's not just my work [tech noise] um the idea was that looking at some of the collections um particularly that have um you know um policies that dictate how to [breath in] care for them um collect them add to them dispose of them there were other collections that uh weren't covered by specific individual policies so the idea was to make a policy um for collections management that was uh for the all all of the [anon_inst93a] and all of the relevant um sections and then obviously there's still within a particular project and sections um additional policies and supporting policies to make the [anon_inst93a] work in the area of best practice around this kind of thing 1:55:10 thank you very much uh i would just like to mention that when i first became a councillor it was uh brought up that there was um the need for an acquisitions policy uh within the [anon_inst93a] because there was lots of offers of things coming through it's great to see that um within this document um and um uh i i think it sets out a very good process for um loans and everything else as well does anyone want+ 1:55:35 =[sneeze] 1:55:35 +to come in or can we take this as adopted and send it to [anon_inst93a] [pause] excellent thank you 1:55:43 agreed 1:55:44 agreed 1:55:45 agreed 1:55:45 yeah looks like not uh thank you very much [anon_$077] so that's item nine done um and item 10 is the report on the um [paper shuffling] the impact study that we previously had a presentation on [pause] [tech noise] uh+ 1:56:02 =yeah uh sorry 1:56:02 +go ahead 1:56:02 that's me again+ 1:56:03 =go ahead 1:56:04 +and again this is just an example of uh another piece of work that was done uh with uh all of our colleagues across numerous sections in the [anon_inst166] and actually uh outside of the [anon_inst166] in relation to um uh creative engagement and cultural engagement and just the impact of not only people's relationships with the [anon_inst93] uh as a result of these kinds of programs but also with with culture and with their city in a general way this is just a research um project to underpin some of the things especially that this [anon_inst91] knows very well and that many of the sections in the [anon_inst91] work this way and prioritize this kind of work um know very well and to confirm that that more work like this is uh of interest to the [anon_inst93a] and to the staff and the [anon_inst93a] but also through the participants um there's a lot of shared values around um participation and community engagement uh with the work that [anon_$057] was talking about at the beginning of this [anon_inst91] and just to say also that the uh the principle of the study and and conducting a study like this about impact on citizenship and active citizenship through culture um has had [anon_pl44] um shortlisted there's another process to go through but shortlisted as one of the top 50 global uh activities in the area of of cultural democracy and empowerment so these are all really good uh signs for the work that everybody's doing 1:57:32 thank you very much [anon_$077] would anybody like to come in [pause] um i i would just like to uh pick out uh within the call to actions or recommendations um there is mention of a working group being established to record and measure outcomes from projects and to develop a toolkit um together um i would just like to um maybe suggest if any members of the [anon_inst91] will be interested in getting involved in that maybe they can contact you [anon_$077] [pause] 1:58:00 yes that would be fantastic thanks 1:58:02 [breath in] fantastic thank you very much we will [paper shuffling] sorry need to go back a page um we move on to item 11 which is the management update [paper shuffling] [pause] oh i'll take questions first uh councillor [anon_$058] 1:58:28 yeah thank you yeah it's just about it's actually since the meeting uh started a couple of constituents have have emailed me and it's about a= active travel i suppose it it mentions active travel in the management reports so that the the people that were there from that might be able to answer this um with the pedestrianisation of uh [anon_pl102] these constituents that they had a bit of trouble over the weekend with motorised uh couriers you know uh food couriers and all that you know and they were told that that that's okay they can use [anon_pl102] and i i don't know is that the case and does anyone know from the [anon_inst167] is that the case um or 1:59:04 im sorry councillor [anon_$058] i i think that's a matter for the transport [anon_inst91] or maybe the area committee 1:59:12 well it's its about active travel and there's active travel in the management report [tech noise] [pause] for people getting out and traveling and and being healthy [tech noise] and if the street has been pedestrianised what what are the view of the people here from active travel what's their view on on the pedestrianisation [paper shuffling] of [anon_pl102] as far as active travel goes and people with disabilities and older people and all being able to use it because i've seen guards stop people on [anon_pl103] before that are cycling up they've asked them to get off the= to get get off the bikes but i don't think they're barred but i do see guards asking them to get off their cycles and motorised ones now+ 1:59:46 =okay 1:59:46 +and what's the situation in um in in [anon_pl102] but i think+ 1:59:49 =okay 1:59:49 +a fair point for this committee 1:59:51 so we'll we'll take all the questions i'm a member of the [anon_inst167] and it= what has been agreed on what is in place is a traffic free [anon_pl102] it's not pedestrianised but if management wish to respond um they can councillor [anon_$042] 2:00:06 go raibh math agat cathaoirleach look um uh i'm to looking i hope i'm on the right report the community monuments fund update is that in the report [pause] yeah i just wonder um what happens to the [anon_pl85] graveyard application under stream one and stream two um there's lots of money gone to uh [anon_pl180] and there's lots of money going to [anon_pl181] in [anon_pl55] i know our own application in um [anon_pl44] in in [anon_pl85] for um [anon_pl182] failed but uh what happened to the [anon_pl85] graveyard graveyard um application to community monuments fund from streams one and two why have we got no money is is is it that the people who submitted the application weren't qualified uh to uh dot all the i's and cross all the t's it's hugely disappointing that we didn't get money from that application or from that uh from that fund because there seems to be a hell of a lot of money available uh and the nor= we didn't get any in the [anon_pl93] area thanks 2:01:14 thanks councillor [anon_$042] councillor [anon_$032] and then i'll bring in the managers [s032] 2:01:20 yeah i was going to ask a similar question [background talk] about the the heritage grants and um maybe it's in a different stream maybe we still have an opportunity to apply for that because i know we got the conservation uh report and we we hired a conservation [breath in] architect to to work on on on putting in that application so i suppose i just wanted to ask um [breath in] about that um i just wanted to ask as well about um the um the um [anon_pr60] uh the launch of the strategy in quarter two when are we going to um when are we going to get that and also the per= that it says a preferred bidder has been identified for the annual [anon_ev26] on behalf of [anon_inst86] could we just have a little bit more about that and what it's you know it seemed to be very previously it became very sort of a central base thing and all around the city and you know not so much about you know actual bram stoker and i i suppose the location and and more sort of an extended thing around the idea of bram stoker and i'm just wondering you know where we're going with that i could have a little bit more detail on that thanks 2:02:31 thanks councillor [anon_$065] 2:02:33 uh thanks very much and thanks for the report just one thing i just wanted to raise in relation to the [anon_inst168] we were fortunate enough in [anon_pl104] to to get one of those sculptures uh by [anon_sn49] but um uh and i it was at the launch of it uh when the [anon_inst89] launched it but i just noticed um recently that i know while trees were cut back around it um there is the the uh there is a likelihood that those trees are going to obscure it again in the not too distant future and i'm just wondering in relation to the positioning of it now um or the positioning or the trees is is there some sort of tree management uh plan in place so that the the sculpture won't be overshadowed um in the coming year or years thank you [pause] 2:03:25 [breath in] um thank you very much everyone i can't see any more questions uh just from the um management report i'd like to highlight how great it is to see so many new parks um i was at [anon_pl105] opening and [anon_pl106] opening and i think the greening and the play areas that we're getting out of those um are excellent or spaces for people to to gather um and things like that i can see councillor [anon_$075] has come in and then i'll go to management 2:03:52 thanks chair um sorry for late coming in there um i menat to have my hand up earlier um just two things i wonder could the uh manager make a comment on one is the um the artist space in um [anon_pl99] and his reply uh to the artists there and just um his reply gave absolutely no hope and uh for future or for any spaces to be made available and maybe he might like to comment on that and then also just um i welcome the updates to uh the library service uh fantastic what they're doing but i just want to raise the issue of [anon_inst169] and being left uh closed and [breath in] um really our libraries are the cornerstone of arts and culture in any area in any city um but just to have that lying um empty and closed really is is is a disgrace and i'd like them to comment on that thank you [pause] 2:04:47 thank you okay we've wrapped up a good few questions but i'll take one more from councillor [anon_$063] 2:04:52 um thank you very much chair yeah just similar to councillor [anon_$075] i'd just like to [breath in] um get a get a bit of a response and feedback from the manager um his response which is was publicly aired on social media in the media regarding [anon_pl99] um we just you know we heard previously in this meeting the the devastation facing many artists across the city and their their their need to try and find suitable accommodation and space to do what they do best and you know that's that's one group out of out of hundreds across the city thousands even who are in desperate need of of space and you know they're engaging with with senior management of the [anon_inst86a] at a high level look looking for support um admittedly you know tempers can fray at times and maybe on both sides the the the way they conducted themselves wasn't great but but [anon_$033] [anon_$033]'s response in particular was really really poor i just wonder if he could if he could respond to that and just try and allay the concerns of of many artists who are watching in and and in need of of much needed support from [anon_inst86a] something in particular sorry for going on in his in his response itself he said it's not a core function of [anon_inst86a] and i know all of us in this committee would be would be really concerned with that we know it's not the day to day bread and butter but it should absolutely be part of building a more sustainable and um better [anon_pl44] that we all want to live in thanks very much for letting me back in chair 2:06:10 thanks everyone um i we have+ 2:06:13 =sorry on a point of information chair 2:06:16 +go ahead+ 2:06:16 =yeah no just and i i want to see this uh i want to see the [anon_pl99] uh project pushed till we buy it and you know but i don't know if it's a good idea that we'd be discussing this um in public um if we are going to because i just think that might impede us then and the price could go up if it if there's if there's a demand issue and i don't see the if we want to really get a building you know get it down that's what we want to see at the end i don't know if it's a good idea to be but it's a commercial thing and i don't know if it's a good idea to be pushing di= discussing this in public but that that's my uh [tech noise] 2:06:50 thanks councillor [anon_$058] uh i i agree with you on that point so we we won't go into that kind of detail i don't think um i've got [anon_$078] from events and [anon_$071] from parks with me here so we might start with those 2:07:03 yeah thanks chair just in relation to the [anon_ev26] we're as i said in the report we currently have identified a preferred bidder [breath in] so we're currently in in contract negotiations with uh tho= the the event organizers um so i can't really give too much detail of what we're doing um this year but i hope to have those um those contracts signed soon and then once those contracts are signed we'll give out the information then of the event 2:07:32 [tech noise] okay thank you um [anon_$071] about the uh monuments i think 2:07:36 yep [cough] sorry the uh [anon_pl85] cemetery um i i'm not quite clear on the the specific reasons why we didn't get the funding on that but obviously there's a there's a pot of money to go between the various um applications um but i'll see if there's uh any reasons why we didn't get it in particular for for [anon_pl85] um councillor [anon_$065] mentioned as well that uh [anon_pl104] the trees there we'll have we'll have a look at that and um councillor [anon_$032] [coughs] mentioned the the [anon_pr60] conservation research strategy [coughs] which we hope to launch in uh q2 or early q3 um so that that will be uh published [pause] 2:08:11 uh thank you very much um would another manager like to come in [pause] to respond to some of those questions [pause] 2:08:20 happy to 2:08:21 thank you [anon_$033] 2:08:22 um yeah so really in in relation to it um we uh query from a couple of councillors asking us to uh investigate the acquisition following uh a motion that was passed at uh the [anon_pl93] area committee uh i instructed the city valuer to engage with the receiver [lip smack] um which is what he is doing at this point in time um and i then received uh a number of emails across last weekend uh and or shall we say for fear of receiving a whole host more i shut it down maybe my language was a little less than subtle but uh the point is uh we are engaging with the receiver if we do happen to acquire it um that will then be i can't acquire it and get effectively gift it [tech noise] to an organisation without a process and that was the point that i was trying to make and because as [anon_$073] said there are 1500 artist spaces required in the city [background noise] at this point in time and you know uh uh you might say people uh whilst i can sympathize with the circumstance they find them in [tech noise] um you might say if we if if we are all the time going to go after um building owners and potentially doing it in public uh no building owner will in any way offer a meanwhile use um so from my perspective uh i'm honoring the motion that was passed at the [anon_pl93] i'm engaging with uh through the valuer with the receiver and uh as a couple of councillors that the less discussion about this the better because it can have uh you might say de= demand side impacts which will push up whatever price uh the receiver might be looking for so like uh nothing further really to add to it other than uh [tech noise] i responded to a number of emails um and uh you might say yeah if people took offence i apologise for that but i needed to shut it down to enable me to engage in a process now if people want to share emails that i sent on twitter to try to come after me that's fine [pause] but it it doesn't serve the the purpose or goal in any way but uh so i'm not going to comment further on it um and i'm quite happy to leave it there chair [siren] 2:11:26 thank you uh there was a question about [anon_inst169] and i think we've got [anon_$067] with us 2:11:30 yeah can you hear me chair 2:11:32 yes [anon_$067]thank you 2:11:33 okay morning um i suppose just to to um let the [anon_inst91] know that we closed [anon_inst169] in all good faith because we had serious access issues and um conditions of the building were very poor unfortunately um really due to inflation um the costs skyrocketed and under procurement rules once that happened um we were obliged to to stop um i have to say that we have um moved in temporarily to [anon_pl107] and working with colleagues in the [anon_inst165] and i was actually out there last week and it's going from strength to strength a little library and working really well and lots of nice programs both in the space and outside and around the space and also just to assure people that meetings are ongoing on um the new library proposed for [anon_pl108] road um or [anon_pl109] estate as as uh people want to call it so um that's where it's at chair hope that that helps [pause] 2:12:36 thank you [anon_$067] um were there any questions unanswered i think we might have gotten all them 2:12:41 yeah no just chair my my initial question about the active travel cos i think we are a leisure and health and and uh [anon_inst91] and i just feel we should have a view on whether um pe= motorised vehicles can use uh a street+ 2:12:57 =i'm sorry councillor im going to disagree i think this is a matter it's a matter for the the transport [anon_inst91]+ 2:13:01 +without the but we don't do we we so were we have an active travel presentation that was in the wrong place was it 2:13:07 [whispers] ![unclear]/! no we we have an active living an active cities not active travel there's an active travel working group under the transport [anon_inst91] 2:13:17 and the the presentation we had earlier 2:13:19 [whispers] active cities 2:13:21 i agree i agree with the chair its a matter for the transport comittee 2:13:26 thank you um i've got councillors [anon_$061] and uh i've got [anon_$062] are these new questions 2:13:32 chair yeah it's just one point i will make it briefly uh i wasn't going to come in on this but i was sent it was forwarded on to me the response that [anon_$033] had uh formulated and actually pressed the send button on and i just i won't get into the wider issues cos i agree with some of the points that were made in terms of changing the uh dynamics but i do think that the language that uh senior executives use uh is very important and to my mind like [anon_$033] i i don't know what you were thinking in in terms of communicating in that fashion uh because what it does to my mind is it just sends out a message that [anon_inst86] are out of touch or that they're um you know feel a bit superior perhaps um and it underminds i just i make this one point it actually undermines the very good work that's being done by many people uh who work for [anon_inst86] in the communities and in the different sections and it just+ 2:14:27 =thank you councillor 2:14:27 +causes such an uproar and forore thanks chair 2:14:30 thank you and uh [anon_$062] 2:14:33 yeah just to uh just to come in um [tech noise] it's actually in relation to something [tech noise] [anon_$033] and [anon_$073] [tech noise] both said in in relation to uh 1500 artists spaces been been needed um i mean i gotta say wh= when [anon_$073] said we could provide 200 in the next few years i mean that's a little bit deflating um there is a space that could provide hundreds if not more and that's the digital hub and i think we need to have serious conversations um the [anon_inst170] will have u= ultimate control and say over what happens there with the chief executive um [anon_sn040] is on the board at the digital hub and i think that's a that's a conversation we need to start seriously in terms of that space that could be the answer uh to a lot of the city's um uh crisis around space right now uh just another+ 2:15:22 =thanks [anon_$062] 2:15:22 +yeah just one quick observation in relation to the [anon_inst169] at the moment it appears the best current suggestion is that it turns into a visitor center essentially which is prioritising the apparent needs of tourists over locals you know um and i think that's something that needs to be queried and questioned and scrutinised in terms of what that space might become in the future uh 2:15:45 thank you [anon_$062] we've come to the end of the um time we allocated for the meeting um so uh and i think we've had answers to all the questions raised uh under the uh manager's report uh can we quickly um note all of the minutes that are the remaining items on the agenda 2:16:05 agreed 2:16:06 noted 2:16:07 noted yeah 2:16:07 can i ask a question uh chair just one thing about uh something 2:16:11 go ahead it's about the naming go ahead 2:16:13 it's about the naming and commemorations committee 2:16:15 go ahead councillior [anon_$042] 2:16:16 maybe the chair the chair when is the next meeting [anon_$036] and [pause] did you get my email about uh the park beside uh [anon_pl110] and [anon_pl111] the residents have agreed uh [anon_pl112] as the name just wonder can i give them an update when are we having our next meeting 2:16:33 um that's=you sent that in advance of the last meeting i think did you 2:16:38 no no the las= no it's it's it's only it's it's since the last meeting [anon_$036] 2:16:42 oh right i did i did get it yeah i don't have the date uh to hand but i will get it to you 2:16:47 go raibh math agat cathaoirleach go raibh math agat 2:16:50 failte failte thank you 2:16:51 thank you everyone um for getting through that we really hope that our next meeting which will be in july will be um in the [anon_pl226] [tech noise] uh and i'll get to meet some of you for the first time [breath out] face to face uh but for now uh i hope everyone has an enjoyable week and uh maybe gets time to visit [anon_pl113] for the [anon_ev27] that's happening there at the moment and the winner of the um literary prize will be announced um very soon um and uh loads of events are happening this week thanks everybody 2:17:25 thanks 2:17:26 thanks chair 2:17:27 thank you bye 2:17:28 thanks chair 2:17:28 bye 2:17:29 thanks all transcribed by https://otterai 0:02 okay i'll take silence as uh no items outstanding uh can i have a proposer for the minutes please councillor [anon_$081] thank you seconder councillor [anon_$122] thank you very much okay i've two items under chairperson's business one is a a letter to [anon_inst162] as per councillor [anon_$081]'s motion that was passed at our last meeting that letter was sent on the 22nd of june asking him that uh he amends the housing miscellaneous provisions act 2019 for those people who just fall outside the cusp of income thresholds but were previously on our list i've had no response to that [pause] the second item uh on chairperson's business is again a follow up of our discussion on traveller accommodation and the motion that councillor [anon_$085] brought to the last meeting so we did indicate that um [pause] myself as chair former lord mayor uh [anon_fn112] to [anon_$082] and [anon_$084] and would have a meeting [pause] [background noise] uh to look at the recommendations that uh councillor [anon_$085] and [anon_inst192] put forward so what we agreed at that meeting was that we would ha= we would take the traveller accommodation reports out of the housing supply report it's there every month but we're going to separate it out and it will be a standalone item on our bimonthly agenda where we look at uh technical issues that the [tut] there was a request [tech noise] around the the reconfiguration of the [anon_inst192] but um you will note on the the briefing note that we sent around that that is actually in legislation so we can't amend it however there is a recommendation [pause] uh there that the local traveller accommodation consultative committees would be replaced by traveller accommodation strategic policy committees um so i wrote to [anon_inst162] as [anon_$080] asking him for timelines on the implementation of that recommendation and i i've no responses back so we are going to follow up uh with the [anon_inst192] about i suppose allowing recordings of those meetings we're conscious however of some traveller representatives may may inhibit them from from speaking uh if they if they know it's being recorded so we're going to talk in a one to one just to suss out um how those representatives feel about that change and then as you've noted we've also put the the minutes um and the report of the [anon_inst192] on our agenda for our bi-monthly meetings and in order to have fairness for i suppose traveller accommodation homelessness and our housing supply we'll rotate how they appear in the agenda first second third so today we're putting traveller accommodation up the top and it'll go to number two and and like that so so everybody uh feels that they're being treated fairly is that okay with anybody or has anybody any questions on that [pause] that report would have been the report of that meeting would have been circulated after we had it it was on the 28th of june councillor [anon_$081] 3:30 tha= thanks for that i appreciate you making those changes and updating us on on a lot of work you've done behind the scenes are th= are these reports up for discussion now [pause] 3:43 in in what sense councillor [anon_$081] 3:45 like wi= like cos there's there's just some questions i have on on some of the detail just to tease out some of the detail is it is it appropriate now+ 3:52 =on the traveller accommodation report 3:54 yeah 3:54 yeah i i that's gonna be our next agenda item number three so [anon_$084] is going to give the presentation on the report and then we'll treat it like any other item on the agenda ![unclear]/! 4:05 okay many thanks thanks for that 4:07 yeah no problem 4:08 if i may [anon_$080] just to raise a point in relation to the+ 4:10 =yeah [anon_$082] 4:10 + raise a point in relation to thank you very much [anon_$080] um it's just in relation to the uh [pause] i suppose the reluctance for individuals to be recorded you know during meetings we have the same phenomena in relation to the joint policing committees and indeed local area policing committees as well [breath in] and you know and you know i'd be concerned you know what i mean that you know people would feel intimidated you know in in in a democratic process when they're representing communities but i think we should find some way around it because i think it's really important [pause] [breath in] that these meetings be transparent and that they be open to the public for many many reasons do you know what i mean because we have to confront those fears and we also have to confront any kind of intimidation uh and and i do support the idea of speaking to somebody privately in relation to a private matter but i certainly hope that we would be able [tech noise] i certainly hope that we would be able to um to record those meetings because i think i think it's really important um for you know for visibility in relation to these particular issues thank you [anon_$080] 5:09 yeah i i agree councillor [anon_$082] i think as councillors we're all very used to being recorded and being open and being represented but but other people may not feel so so we will give as much confidence [tech noise] uh and empowerment [tech noise] to individuals as we can [pause] so are we okay to move on to uh [pause] the next item and just my apologies i forgot to note apologies so i have uh apologies from councillor [anon_$123] she's going to be late coming into the meeting and i'm not sure [anon_$083] if you've received any other apologies 5:42 uh ![unclear]/! just late coming into the meeting more than likely as well 5:45 okay thanks very much okay item three there on the agenda over to you [anon_$084] for the traveller accommodation report 5:54 um hi everybody thanks for the opportunity um the report is there i'm pretty sure most of you have read it already so i'm i'm willing to take questions 6:04 okay perfect uh i have councillor [anon_$081] 6:07 okay many thanks thanks for putting this on the agenda it's great to have it in in as a priority on the agenda i hope it stays like that after this [anon_inst91] many thanks to you [anon_$080] for ensuring that happens just a few items there [anon_$084] if i may um i read with interest what [anon_pl146] if maybe you could update us any progress there i know we had a a pretty serious bump on the road around the flooding issue maybe if there's been any progress made on that and also accessing properties to uh move the residents off site to facilitate the the redevelopment there the essential redevelopment a= [pause] 6:41 thank you uh councilllor+ 6:42 = and also is there [pause] sorry 6:46 +sorry i thought you had stopped there my internet connection went my apologies councillor [anon_$080] carry on 6:51 [pause] okay sorry um also is is there a move to put the ethnicity of travelers on the housing application forms if it's not already on it [pause] if you could clarify i read with interest today the report with the budget drawdowns from the different local authorities if you could clarify [anon_$084] how much of the budget was drawn down by [anon_pl44] um and also do we have uh a consultation model for engaging with uh the traveling community when we're carrying out redevelopment or providing housing my final question is the [anon_pl59] site it says [anon_$084] that it cannot be fulfilled [pause] if you could clarify what exactly that means and what what what have we in store for that site are we going to develop it for accommodation or is it simply going to be kept uh for for the for the duration of the covid emergency um for families who wish to isolate maybe if you clarify that [anon_$084] and just to maybe just to thank you and all your staff [anon_$084] for the hard work you do i know it's not an easy job it's a difficult job and that uh you have our support in in in wh= in your work and we look forward to working with you and developing these essential issues 7:55 thank you councillor [anon_$081] councillor [anon_ $085] 7:56 uh thank you uh likewise same uh if we could have some uh clarification on the [anon_ pl59] it's unclear so it's it can't be fulfilled now but will it be so will it be kept and when [anon_pr70] takes it then wi= will we be able to develop it as a site for travelers uh so yeah uh clarification on that uh thank you 8:20 thank you very much i've no hands uh showing now so i'll go back to you coun= uh actually i have councillor [anon_$086] there has just come in so i'll go to councillor [anon_$086] before i go back to you [anon_$084] 8:31 yeah [tech noise] sorry for the delay um i i just want to know um ha= has the report by uh the [anon_inst193] [anon_fn113] last month and the recommendations in it has that been taken into account and it would seem and perhaps you could correct me but that local authorities don't seem to specifically identify traveler families in need of accommodation as is repo= in the report can you just explain that perhaps a bit more thank you 9:01 thank you i'll go back to you [anon_$084] before i take uh the other hands thank you 9:06 okay um just in relation to [anon_pl146] um [anon_$088] might be more au fait we've given up uh a report on that just in relation to the properties [breath in] um we are currently in negotiation to buy five properties for residents on [anon_pl146] and uh we would be hoping that they will be closed in a relatively short period of time [breath in] um but again we're we're at the we're at the mercy of the the solicitors on on on that the the vendor solicitors on that um there are a number of properties which we're looking at from the social housing uh side from the the local area office so those are those are being pushed forward as well [breath in] the ethnicity on the forms um [pause] there have been uh a number of issues with this and one of them was the fact that uh quite a number of travelers did not want to be identified as travelers um [pause] now that's again something that we're looking at and i think we've already made some changes to the form there [anon_$088] might be again a bit more au fait with that [breath in] um how much of the draw down [anon_inst86] have drawn down approximately 75 between 75 and 79% of of of the funding um since 2008 [breath in] what i would say is that they've changed the department have changed the way funding is allocated um [pause] last year and last year we drew down 95% of the the funding and the further 5% was drawn down early in 2021 so uh our the allocation that we we were the allocation we were given in 2020 was fully drawn down [breath in] um [pause] in regards to consultation we generally we we do cons= consult with all travelers [breath in] um in relation to what's going on on on the sites and and the regeneration on the sites um [pause] we're we're we're looking at improving it all the time so uh that's something we're just constantly working on with regard to the [anon_ pl59] site [pause] we had issues with the uh the locals uh in that the connection to the main sewer was uh a private connection [breath in] and they refused to allow us to to [pause] access that connection so we did a number of investigations to try and find if there was another connection or the next nearest and closest connection [breath in] the next nearest and closest connection is like almost a half a kilometer away um on both sides of it on on both sides of of the [anon_pl59] site there is a there is a connection 11:47 [cough] 11:47 um from the site directly across the road into the main into the main sewer but it falls short um [pause] i don't know whether people know but the main sewer line on the [anon_pl59] actually goes through the houses that are opposite the [anon_pl59] site um it goes through their gardens so it would cause major disruption for for uh us [breath in] uh to go in and make the connection uh the make that connection so the easiest and most cost effective uh way of doing it would be to connect on the [anon_pl59] uh sorry on the [anon_pl147] site [pause] it's not actually on the site it's on the the public footpath but as it is a private connection we can't do anything until [anon_pr20] take it in charge at that time once they take it in charge then we can we can uh apply to them to make a connection and we believe we'd be successful um but we have to wait until that's that's taken on with regards to the [anon_inst193] we're looking at the report in depth and we want to see exactly what can be done to try and implement changes there [breath in] [pause] um i think that's [pause] i think that's all the questions i've been asked 12:59 thank you [anon_$084] i've three other hands so councillor [anon_$087] then councillor [anon_$088] and then councillor [anon_$045] 13:07 um thank you [anon_$084] and thank you like we very much recognize that you're doing good work and difficult work um in advancing these projects so uh thank you um just a question i noticed in the report there was mention of a project in the preliminary stages in the northern fringe and i'm just curious to [pause] hear a little bit more about that if you could possibly tell me a little bit more 13:31 thank you councillor [anon_$087] [tech noise] councillor [anon_$088] 13:33 [pause] thanks very much [cough] and again i'm just so um appreciative of the work that's been done so far i know um um [anon_$089] and [anon_$084] you've been doing some work up in [anon_pl96] and [anon_pl148] and the whole community is very appreciative of that because we've really had some appalling conditions there as as well as in other parts of uh the city and the country [breath in] so this is a really important issue my two questions are um [pause] sanitation units there's talk about in the report of sanitation units going in and i did hear feedback that you know uh uh that sanitation unit is like something you'd see at a festival and i just want to know the modern sanitation units you know do they have heating are they like something you'd see at uh a rock festival or are they [pause] you know suitable for for um [tut] suitable facilities and then the second question i have is [pause] the cost of mobile homes and um and uh you know similar um structures uh have gone through the roof apparently in the last while mostly because of covid people are wanting to get extra space and extra um um uh homes mobile homes so i just want to know is that affecting um progress going forward thank you 14:53 thank you very much coun=councillor [anon_$045] 14:55 thanks [anon_$080] um [anon_$083] just in regard to the budget so i've noticed from the budgets over the last number of years that there's a heavy whack of the traveller accommodation budgets being spent on waste removal and i know it's been brought at the [anon_inst192] in regard to it um have we got any plans to engage in waste management in terms of um the removal of rubbish from sites because the amount of money that we are spending on the traveler specific accommodation budget it's being spent in areas that are traveler specific but you know what other departments [tech noise] of [anon_inst86] [tech noise] should be picking up the the ![unclear]/! in my opinion in terms of um i= in terms of waste management a= and removal of of rubbish as well um [cough] and on the ombudsman uh report uh as well um you know the the conditions that that have been described from the ombudsman report um you know are very very serious and i think that we should be looking at at [anon_inst86] coming back out um fairly quickly in terms of response from that considering that we have got structures in place through the [anon_inst192] um [anon_$080] [cough] another recommendation as well might be that the [anon_inst192] meeting has been moved ![unclear]/! it's every three months now and that the [anon_inst192] might happen before um the [anon_inst91] meeting happens because this means that we are going to be in a position where um we're [tech noise] three months already behind on a report that we're going to receive to the [anon_inst91] um and i know i think the lt= we we're due for [anon_inst192] tomorrow um which means we're not going to hear again from or the [anon_inst91] won't hear again for another three months so we can have those meetings before um the [anon_inst91] meetings are held so we're up to date in terms of reports that'd be good as well thanks 16:33 okay thank you uh i'm i've only one more hand showing councillor [anon_$082] so i'm gonna take uh councillor [anon_$082] before i revert back to you [anon_$084] 16:42 thank thank you very much [anon_$080] and thank you very much everyone for the contribution yeah it's just in relation to the dumping or the waste that has been taken off [pause] the sites i would just like to know whether this waste is domestic waste you know ie generated on the sites or whether it's actually waste being brought to the sites uh in relation to commercial activities i do note that over the past number of years there was such activities uh whereby commercial waste was being dumped on these sites and it was costing astronomical sums of money to remove it um and if that is the case then what kind of investigations are taking place with an garda siochana in relation to that what kind of investigations are taking place with the environmental uh departments and what kind of investigations are taking place if at all with the revenue departments i mean it would be just be terrible even if we didn't address this particular issue there are many many people uh on on on on traveller halting sites who basically you know end up being intimidated and can't report such matters and indeed i'm aware of staff as well having a difficulty there but it's something that we simply have to address and while i'm all in favour of you know modernising and making up to date proper accommodation and including travelers into the mainframe of our housing stock we also have to address these particular issues whatever way they fall uh whether antisocial behavior whether they're direct criminal activity so i'd like to ask again the management what is the na=nature of this uh waste that we are collecting thank you 18:14 thank you councillor [anon_$082] uh and back to you [anon_$084] uh and [anon_$089] 18:20 okay [anon_$089] do you want to come in on any of that first 18:23 um just the couple of quick questions um that i ca= captured [anon_pl146] first if i can um in relation to [anon_pl146] we're going at the pace of the regeneration chair um who is working with us i suppose as everyone is aware there's a trust issue in terms of rebuilding um trust in [anon_pl146] and we're working at the pace as the you know when when uh the travelers themselves are working on what they want from [anon_inst86] they're coming back to me we haven't had a meeting for in some time [breath in] but we= i checked in last week and we're ready we they reckon they will be ready very soon for meeting on that um from that we're hoping to build a model of consultation um from the [anon_pl146] region that we will apply to other sites the ethnicity question we have um uh we did we did uh [anon_inst86] staff lobbied very hard um when there was a review of the national housing needs assessment form we lobbied very hard to have an ethnic identifier included not just for traveler but for roma for other ethnic minorities so that we you know but it it hasn't been in this one but we have we're continuing to have conversations with the [anon_inst83] to see if if it should be in there um in relation to the waste i mean [anon_$084] has been highly effective he's run you know you regularly is running um bilateral meetings with waste management in terms of um so what we we've tended to do is stop and search um we sometimes disrupt the supply chain and the supply of um dumping in some of the sites um through waste management through um and through garda enforcement now [anon_$084] i think you've got about eight convictions in the past year wasn't it last in last year 19:51 nine last year 19:52 that came that fell out of kind of yo= you know that kind of joined up working so that certainly is happening um the cost mobile homes generally the [anon_inst93] isn't generally responsible for the provision of mobile homes our job is the hard standing and in in and when i say our job that's what we get the funding from from the department but there is a caravan loan scheme um coming and there is we do sometimes buy emergency needs caravans if there's you know special needs etc and if for a family if that changes we're more than happy to change with it you know so it's um and we have done we have invested in somewhere where there's been extremely poor conditions um the sanitation units they're not any kind of substitution for housing and our job all the time in in traveller accommodation is our focus needs to be on housing and building h= group housing traveller specific group housing for people um and bays where people prefer it but you know the modern you know um so sanitations they're just uh they they're they're there but they're a temporary substitute we would never consider them a long term option [anon_$084] i don't think that's 20:49 yeah [breath in] um just in relation to councillor [anon_$087] the northern fringe um [pause] the plans there at the moment are very very tentative we're just trying to see what can be done to mitigate against the commercial dumping that is going on out there on site so i don't really have that much information on it at the moment um in relation to the sanitation units we have new sanitation units there was a framework uh developed in 2018 specifically for sanitation units um the new sanitation units are slightly bigger they're a bit more robust uh and they're there they are of a a higher spec but like [anon_$089] says they are not a substitute for housing they're a temporary thing um we our our purpose on this uh particular um issue is is to provide electricity and water services to the travelers out in uh [anon_pl149] and [anon_pl150] there's uh 45 families out there that have well they have electricity but it's unauthorized electricity so we're in the process of of providing that for them at the moment while we're doing that we're also putting in the services for the sanitation units because to build um or to redo the um the bays or to build houses will take an extraordinarily long time you know you'd be talking about four or five years at least so in the meantime what we need to do is make sure that they have adequate services including toilet shower cooking facilities available to them and that's what the sanitation unit does [breath in] um in relation to the cost of mobile homes um they've risen by approximately a third at the moment and as [anon_$089] so eloquently put it we do have the emergency grant scheme we gave out nine last year under under that scheme or we purchased nine under that scheme uh the year before we we purchased three under it at the moment we have applications for 19 [pause] and we're going through those and we're looking at the most needy now there is a cost to [anon_inst86] on that in that we only get 50% of it back from the department so the council invests 50% of its funding um in in into that um there is a new mobile home scheme it literally only came on board this week um [anon_inst86] is part of a pilot scheme the new caravan loan scheme where the maximum value of a home that can be borrowed against um is is 30000 um and the the um the residents or the tenants [pause] um will be purchasing this but they will be paying the the loan back to [anon_inst86] it's heavily subsidized so it is um it can be a five a five year or seven year loan now it depends on the ability to pay and it depends on what their are already what their their current outgoings are far you know um for [pause] rent so it it it will be based on their ability to pay and how much they can pay um [pause] with regard to the waste removal um we've [pause] we've done a number of things on the waste removal and and particularly through the the [anon_inst192] uh we do have a a new committee on the [anon_inst192] that's dealing with waste and there are are a number of people involved in it we were supposed to have one today but unfortunately with this meeting we can't have it uh we'll reschedule that um [pause] as [anon_$089] said there have been a number of of um there have been a number of convictions there are a number of different um actions planned uh with the guardi and with waste enforcement um [pause] most of the stuff that we take now at the moment is is uh commercial um uh just to make people aware um the amount of money that we have actually spent on on on waste removal has significantly reduced in the last two years uh particularly because of uh we've we've we've re= we've realigned ourselves um and our caretaker staff to remove uh rubbish off sites um particularly with covid we do that on on um twice a week on every site we remove all the the the rubbish that's there in the vast majority of cases it is commercial rubbish because we have bin um agreements with with various um bin providers on on most sites [breath in] um the response again to the [anon_inst193] ad like i said councillor [anon_$082] uh we are looking at that report and we will we will be looking at addressing as many of those issues as as we can in with regard to the [anon_inst192] meetings we were doing the [anon_inst192]'s meetings in in early 2020 on a fortnightly basis that was brought out to a monthly basis uh at the last meeting of the [anon_inst192] the members voted to have it on a three monthly basis [pause] now um as uh the the [anon_$080] um stated earlier on we had that special meeting as it is to be suggested as we put the [anon_inst192] at our meeting on friday that um that the the meetings be held every two months and like [anon_$082] says have it in advance of the [anon_inst192] or uh the the housing [anon_inst91] so that we can do a report and we can put it in that is actually reflects it um i think that the traveller accommodation is if i'm not mistaken it'll be every every four months [pause] um is it i i mean on the 26:36 it'll be every two we do a thematic meeting one month 26:40 right 26:40 and then the second month is the technical meeting 26:43 oh so it's every two months yeah 26:44 that'd be two months+ 26:45 okay+ 26:46 ![unclear]/! 26:46 so just yeah so that's that's perfect that's grand um so we'll be able to have the minutes and and any reports going on to the housing [anon_inst91] then in advance we'll time our meetings around what happens [pause] um i think that's all the questions i was asked to answer 27:03 thank you very much uh much appreciated [anon_$084] okay the next item is um the motion that we discussed at the last meeting by [anon_$085] um we i suppose we decided we would keep it on the agenda as to [pause] as a follow up to what we were going to do it on the recommendation um and also the one we didn't get to i suppose discuss was for the words illegal to be removed from any correspondence now i did have a conversation with [anon_$124] um the manager on this so [anon_$124] can i call upon you to uh speak to that point before i ask councillor [anon_$085] to come in 27:47 uh thank you chair [pause] obviously did the whole issue of trespass is national legislation and we can't change that however um we're quite happy to implement what's proposed here so that in any correspondence we use any of our reports that we use that we use the word or the term unauthorized rather than illegal we've no difficulty with that chair 28:11 thank you manager councillor [anon_$085] would you want to come in and respond to that [pause] 28:16 yes uh and thank you uh chair [anon_$080] so um i i'm pleased to see there's already been uh the movements and improvements and already uh since last month there's been a lot of actions thank to to ![unclear]/! and [anon_fn114] and uh [anon_$084] and so on um so the fact that uh [anon_$080] you wrote to the minister is um welcome to welcome um the uh the huge difference should make today to have um the this topic on the top of the agenda uh we everybody really engaged uh it it's good to see um the recommendation uh from the special meeting that um the list of future uh domestic council travelers site to be circulated so i see on the um on the report that domestic council is working with the the adjacent uh councils [pause] on that so that's to welcome um i'll be following up on this um and the illegal [loss of signal] i saw that as well [loss of signal] on the report that being replaced with unauthorized that's already a big improvement slowly but surely also that the [anon_pr82] will be uh uh separate from the other report is is is to welcome um on the on on the creation of an [anon_inst91] so it is national legislation i was wondering maybe could we get the irish travelers movement to give us either to the housing [anon_inst91] full um council uh presentation um should be presenting towards the young humans for the creation of an [anon_inst91] because at the end of the day they are the travelers community for a lot of parts of of the group and they are the experts and we all agree the the it should be in the forefront uh front and center of the agenda and uh uh listening to the expert is is always and the community the the way forward so if maybe we could in=invite them to to present the arguments uh and as um uh the housing [anon_inst91] that we support and we will follow up on on your letter [anon_$080] to [anon_inst162] uh on this um thank you 30:42 thank you very much ![unclear]/! 30:44 thank you very welcome 30:45 not at all thank you very much uh councillor [anon_$085] uh [pause] councillor [anon_$085] there proposed that we invite the irish traveller movement in to present at the meeting any agreements with that 30:55 agreed 30:56 is the meeting in agreement with the motion 30:59 agreed 30:59 agreed 31:00 thank you very much colleagues okay item five the terms of reference of the audit and construction costs and development time scales we had a draft terms of reference at our last meeting we then held a meeting on the 28th of june i know some of you were unable to to attend where we uh added and deleted to those uh that's terms of reference you now have a new one in front of you uh which we are to agree today hopefully i see one hand showing uh councillor [anon_$125] you come in on that please 31:38 yeah thanks ardmhéar and um yeah i participated like others in the in the review session which was very good um some weeks ago and i just had i i i support the terms of reference as as laid out there can i just ask the significance of the italics um the way the terms of reference are presented there's text and then there's some text in italics i presume that just highlights addition like additions as a result of our previous discussion and the final terms of reference won't have those italics i don't mean to be pedantic although i am being pedantic but just to be clear on what those italics that i understand that correctly and thanks uh [anon_$080] 32:16 yeah thank you and my apologies for for not highlighting that no the final terms of reference when it goes out will go out in in a formal well formatted document uh i have another hand councillor [anon_$081] and i also have councillor [anon_$082] but i think [anon_$082] your hand is up from the previous uh item 32:33 it is indeed i'll take that right down now 32:34 thank you very much uh councillor [anon_$081] 32:36 um many thanks i was unable to make that meeting due to work commitments but the it's a really really good detailed terms of reference um i think it captures everything um so i have no problem supporting it having read it i'm just wondering uh two things and maybe it's in there and i i i haven't seen so apologies in advance do we have a timeframe for this and how is it actually going to be delivered is it a subgroup a working group is it the management will be charged with with oversight i'm just wondering how how it will be delivered and will we have regular updates because it is a sizable piece of work there i don't see this piece of work being done in a matter of weeks um so when we have regular reports back to the [anon_inst91] on progress being made but many thanks to you [anon_$080] and the management and all those who put time and energy into drafting this very fine terms of reference 33:23 okay thank you it will be a tender out for consultants and uh there will be a timeline i ask [anon_$124] to come in on that piece please 33:34 ![unclear]/! today chair there+ 33:35 =thanks sorry [anon_$124] 33:35 +we we're just waiting for the formal agreement by the [anon_inst91] um on the terms of reference and yes that [pause] my colleagues i think we're reflecting the changes to the original document so so they'll be corrected obviously in the formal report um look what we'll do we get on with it now and we we'll engage independent experts to work through i suppose the previous dual objectives uh looking at costs and and looking at process and i've already started some discussions with the [anon_inst83] to say that this is coming and they're ver= keen to get involved which is good as well um look uh uh councillor [anon_$081]'s right it's it's there's two big bodies of work and a lot of stakeholder engagement there's a lot of people have an interest and um an expertise to add to the the overall report and that's everything from department of housing to councillors to officials our qs and architectural teams and and indeed contractors as well because particularly on the cost side so we're very happy to come as we as we move along the different phases of the thing and even at the appointment of the consultants we'll uh we'll update the [anon_inst91] regularly because we want your input but there'll be uh uh a formal input from those interested in contributing as well with with the consultants and that's the way we uh hope to manage it uh but just up to recently i think [anon_$126] is not on the line today but she had submitted some minor amendments but i think they're really just textual stuff so i think we leave it as is and agree it today 34:58 mm thank you 34:58 so that's it 35:00 thanks [anon_$124] i've two more hands showing uh councillor [anon_$087] and councillor [anon_ $032] very quickly please 35:07 [anon_$080] thank you uh [anon_$080] i um i attended the session we did on drafting these terms of reference and i think overall they're very good and c= very comprehensive i do note however that i raised the issue at that meeting of seeking submissions from potential experts uh academics etc with expertise in the area uh people like [anon_fn115] or ![unclear]/!or ![unclear]/! or whoever it might be now notwithstanding the fact that the manager seems to think their perspectives are political we did agree at that meeting that it would be [pause] the job of the kind of external consultants employed to pass that and that we would seek those submissions and that doesn't seem to be included in these terms of reference so i just think that's an important point for inclusion [pause] 35:55 okay thank you councillor [anon_$087] i think we haven't detailed it with bullet [whisper counting] six seven eight uh discuss issues with nominated representatives of [anon_inst86] including councillors to gain further insight for it 36:14 yeah i mean i'd like it to be more explicit than that i would like it to to say what we said at the terms of reference meeting which is that we would seek submissions from+ 36:24 +including academics 36:24 yeah yeah 36:26 okay councillor [anon_$032] 36:29 i suppose yeah i really welcome this report and i suppose um i i think maybe we need to relate that to new information now within the new um you know um affordable housing bill uh 2021 that we do have a different you know financial makeup possibly now in terms of extra resources and um also with the european office being set up and the fact that the lisbon um ![unclear]/! signature that that country signed up to in terms of ending ending homelessness by by 20 uh 30 um and eu funds and i think if we could look historically back to [anon_inst86] and where we got it right it might help us going to the future in terms of procurement and how we how we we do this model if we go back to say [anon_inst237] and the times when we were 37:16 yes+ 37:16 +able to build i think that's important to look at that and see how we got it right in the past and how we could look to do that in the future again thank you 37:23 thank you [anon_$032] is the meeting agreed with the proposal from uh [anon_$087] that we amend [pause] item or bullet point eight in the first section comma including academics in the area of housing 37:39 agreed 37:40 agreed 37:40 management are we okay with that 37:42 sorry chair a question sorry [anon_$127] um i think it is included there because what we say is in in italics again utilize any current industry and or academic research available that is considered reputable and credible as part of the analysis so i think that's 37:57 i+ 37:57 +very explicit that we use that 37:58 i just that i i presume a category we're covering your issue in that one but if you want to add to it no problem item six it was 38:06 oh sorry thank you yes i i see that 38:09 um sorry+ 38:11 +academic research yeah 38:12 =i missed that point 38:14 +as did i 38:14 i don't think that point says look at the research though rather than seek submissions i think if we're doing this kind of construction costs audit there is a merit to seeking submissions from relevant experts they may or may not make them but rather than just looking at the existing research allowing people to put in [pause] submissions on their their analysis of the situation is important 38:38 yeah we can do that chair no problem [pause] 38:40 okay thank you is that item agreed colleagues 38:44 agreed 38:45 agreed 38:46 thank you [paper shuffling] okay the next item is the housing management update uh one the housing supply report [anon_$124] do you want to give us any pertinent points on that before i take questions 39:01 yeah look just so we know that we always try to do is have a supply report as as up to date as possible uh but it always lags a little bit behind in ![unclear]/! um and what i've always had instead of taking up hours and hours of issues there could be some important points raised by councillors obviously but i'm happy to take emails if people need a bit better depth of information on that either schemes where we're at before or after [anon_inst91]s and we give a fairly comprehensive reply in any particular scheme that you're interested in otherwise we try and keep it as up to date as possible but i did mention that one of the presentations that we're looking at an it system which will actually be contemporaneous with the kind of progress of the project and we have a portal for the councillors to view exactly where the project is at and they have as much information as we have on the project teams it's a little bit away but we're working on that so we would expect to report to have even more detail going forward on new schemes that are are being used as part of the it system 39:57 yeah that would be very beneficial could i just ask um would that also be open to the public or is it just an internal system for ourselves as councillors 40:08 i think we look at it kind of uh a varied approach i think we will have stuff that's available to the public uh but i think we would have kind of a deeper access for for councillors sitting councillors as well so that has to be worked through but they are they're the kind of principles we're looking at 40:22 thanks very much do i have any questions on the housing supply report [pause] [door close] okay i can oh one [anon_$087] uh [councillor [anon_$087] 40:34 yeah uh less a question and more just a comment that i think many of the representatives on this committee would agree with i know that the long term leasing number has gone up again i also note locally up the road from me that 121 units or 124 units or something along those lines behind the [anon_inst194] uh have been uh taken on for long term leasing um [pause] and i just want to put on the record [phone beep] that like a vast number of us as councillors are completely opposed to this approach of delivering social housing i understand it's the management's approach i understand it's government policy but i think it's worth having on record that we don't endorse this mechanism for delivering housing 41:14 okay thank you councillor [anon_$087] councillor [anon_$032] 41:17 yeah i just tuned in i was going to bring up the leasing as well because i think it is the part that [anon_inst86] are doing it whether they want to or not it is encouraging those to go into i'm seeing more and more planning permission still coming in with you know uh rent rent to buy as an option and i think [anon_inst86] becoming landlords in this way you know within the private market it is giving them an an option of something that's you know that um you know is is available so when are we going to end up because it isn't government policy government policy is only to um have a very short window and that it will then close so where are we going because that window will be closed and that option will be closed so where are we going uh uh in terms of the the longer term because it's not sustainable and how are we getting out of this um you know uh uh so i suppose from [anon_$127] 42:10 okay 42:10 what is where are they moving to to make sure that this isn't not an option that they this is not going to be open to them for very much longer so they need to be moving quickly away from this thank you 42:19 thank you councillor [anon_$081] 42:22 thanks very quick question for the manager it's in relation to southcentral [anon_pl151] 176 units [tech noise] there's a stage one application submitted to the department and then a stage one approval has it been approved or is this are we still seeking approval for stage one it's just uh i'm not being pedantic but it it quite an impact on that and if we're still waiting for approval on stage one for [anon_pl151] when would we expect a response considering we submitted it in march of this year [tech noise]thanks manager 42:54 thank you i'll go back to [anon_$124] and [anon_$127] before i take the next two people 43:00 thank you chair on on the um for [anon_$032] uh uh the proposal is that the [anon_inst195] [anon_inst196] will come to an end soon but there's no question of long term leasing coming to an end um we don't know how long that will last and i know there's different views on it it is government policy and it's making a huge contribution to housing needs in the city so we might continue to take full advantage of it 43:27 i think it's been stated they would prefer a different option they would prefer to have the housing uh to be affordable public cost rental um and affordable purchase you know so i think that+ 43:38 =okay sorry councillor [anon_$032] 43:41 no that's not that's not the case but uh [anon_$087] i'll start again on the leasing it's the same issue i know there's different views [anon_$087] on it but while while that scheme is there it's a huge contribution to them and without it uh [pause] there'd be an awful lot more people in hotels and emergency accommodation the um the uh uh [anon_$081]'s question of [anon_pl151] um factors or housing prior report is saying there is that stage one approval has been sought and the next milestone is to receive stage one approval from the department we haven't got that yet that's being worked on between the two between the department and ourselves we would hope to get it pretty soon we would hope to get it september october uh but we're not sure yet but the scheme as far as we're concerned is full steam ahead [pause] 44:25 okay thank you uh i'll go back now i've councillor [anon_$088] followed by councillor [anon_$042] 44:32 thank you very much um i just want to ask you about [anon_pl152] in [anon_pl55] [pause] i know we have apartments there for for years now that are still not in in operation and um is there any progress on that and then also there was in [anon_pl152] there was a whole apartment block went up for sale [pause] in the last few weeks is that anything to do with [anon_inst86] [pause] and then i just finally want to mention leasing as well um can you let the local area know and the the uh members and the housing managers when there's leasing contracts going in i went down to a builder who's doing up uh [pause] a small apartment block in [pause] [anon_pl55] and i got the information from them that the units were all going to be leased i didn't get it from my local office i heard nothing about myself and i just think there needs to be more communication if leasing is being done in an area thank you 45:34 thank you councillor [anon_$088] councillor [anon_$042] [pause] councillor [anon_$042] we can't hear you [pause] no you were on muted but i can't hear you [pause] maybe it's the head [pause] set [pause] if you want to put it in the chat i'll ask it [pause] can't hear you [pause] okay [pause] you might come back in later if if you can resolve that uh councillor [anon_$086] [pause] 46:07 um just to to support the idea that we are aware=we are informed of when listening has been happening whatever a scale um obviously the majority of uh councillors and elected reps here uh want to see change in housing policy and how we provide it instead of [pause] uh the public purse paying completely crazy uh over the odds money and uh not even having ownership of it in the end [anon_$127] can you uh enlighten me as to the contract if it is to be signed or is=has it um stopped but the leasing of several apartments in the new builds there around the [anon_pl153] field area with the new complex that are going up i believe there was um a lease um of several apartments if you could give me an update on that i'd appreciate it thanks 47:03 thanks very much uh councillor [anon_ $086] uh [anon_$127] and [anon_$124] i'll go back to you 47:07 um just on [anon_pl152] that there was a long delay there uh on that [anon_inst238] were involved going back years but thankfully that issue with [anon_inst238] is now resolved and it's now we're just waiting to get a contractor on site to do the necessary remedial works on those 60 or so units so they can be allocated so that's the good news on that but it will take a couple of months more for that work to be done the same that you saw in the [anon_inst239] that's that's nothing to do with us that's private blocked its own privately and uh we're not involved in it we're not interested in it it's it's a private matter [breath in] for the leasing obviously we can't [pause] we can't it's a tricky one for us we can't notify councillors or anybody really while the negotiations are going on [pause] uh but certainly i think what we can do is get communication out to the area offices even though it's up to the area office to ask to can ask it to ask them to be told out to the area office of all the councillors as soon as [pause] the lease agreement has been agreed [pause] so rather than maybe councillors finding out from somebody else we can get that information out uh much quicker uh to say that a a certain transaction has been has been uh finalized we can certainly do that in [pause] relation to [anon_$086] i'm not aware of anything anything [anon_pl153] i'll have to check that out for you i'll check it out and uh get back to you [pause] okay 48:27 okay thank you [anon_$083] um councillor [anon_$042] is trying to get in now on her laptop so you might keep an eye out for her in the room you've got her i see that's great uh [anon_$082] 48:37 thank you very much [anon_$080] thank you very much [anon_$127] for um your uh report um just in relation to the leasing of uh accommodation [breath in] um there's a number of things i would like uh clarity on [cough] how many of these units uh you know what i mean are long term leases and what options do we have in these long term leases to completely buy out these complexes who also is managing uh these leases and who's managing the estate in in terms of the tenants that are in them i'd like to know that whether it's an approved housing body or [anon_inst86] the other thing again is very very important while i know we don't have a really big oversight in terms of acquisitions i would= i would ask with all due respects that the= because of the confidentiality the the sensitive nature and the commercial aspects that the audit committee which is again a confidential committee itself would get sight in some way in satisfaction in relation to these particular long term leases and the the the manner in which they are rolled out to add further to that situation and to you know to to say to my fellow councillors [pause] there are many people uh in [anon_pl156] sorry in in in [anon_pl157] and indeed in [anon_pl129] [pause] who if tomorrow morning they were offered a long term lease on an apartment would run out of those places because of the dilapidation that is in them it's appalling conditions that they are in not withstanding the fact that people living in tents and people like you know who are homeless so in the meantime until we actually develop some measure of you know builds i will support uh the city management in acquiring as much accommodation as we possibly can [pause] to address these horrendous issues i certainly do not want to see uh uh [anon_$080] with all due respects the residents of [anon_pl129] having to face 15 years of a regeneration project where they be living on a building site with no hope of any accommodation or alternative accommodation within that given area while their homes are being rebuilt we have to actually stop you know and think about what's happening here and and until this the state and until the councillors begin to actually build on land well then we only have this alternative and the best thing that we can do is well being cautious around it is at least to support the fact that you know that people are being accommodated and i i i want to put that on the record thank you very much 50:54 thank you councillor [anon_$082] and uh councillor [anon_$042] you've got in now so 50:59 thanks [anon_$080] can you hear me 51:00 yes absolutely loud and clear 51:01 sorry i i was using the earphones because i thought i could avoid [pause] people picking up other stuff that's going on around me but i just want to go back to the the= to to the long term leasing and i understand the point that the manager is making he made it quite clear [cough] that the withdrawal would be detrimental to the [cough] provision of homes for people [pause] but just in terms of the [breath in] the new legislation that will be enacted soon the affordable housing uh legislation whereby um um the minister has has said that up to um [pause] 100000 euro could be accessed by local authorities in areas of high cost for housing um do you think that that might um [tut] go some way to [pause] to to to to pick up on what the last speaker said not [anon_$082] but um sorry i think it was [anon_$075] was it the um i think [anon_$075] i think i heard [anon_$075] talking about it maybe it was [anon_$087] [pause] do you think that the the new legislation might uh bring about a situation whereby um people who are who are [pause] applying for uh planning permissions for build to rent uh units that they're hoping the [anon_inst93] will lease um or whoever will lease from them um do you think that the opportunity in [anon_pl44] now uh to to to reduce the cost of affordable homes um uh to the tune of an additional 50 on top of the 50 that is there for the site service fund do you think that might have an impact on on people [pause] on developers or builders call them what you will building the the the the buy to let or the the yeah buy to let do you think that might have an impact on them if they see an opportunity [pause] uh there uh for local authorities to purchase those volumes it's it's just something i thought might make a difference manager thanks [anon_$080] you might let me have your comments manager 53:00 [breath in] thank you um [tut] [anon_$087] did you want to come in again [pause] ten seconds please because i want to go back to uh the manager 53:10 just very quickly to say on councillor [anon_$082]'s point um i think there possibly is a specific use for long term leasing and regeneration projects where people need to be rehouse= housed for a specific period of time but across the board what it does is we are creating this market we are allowing developers to do this which means that developers then don't sell on to us there are fewer acquisitions we're distorting the rental market we're pushing up prices um we're reducing other rental availability and we are using up limited construction capacity to deliver the kind of housing we don't want 53:46 thank you councillor [anon_$087] um [pause] [tut] i might take [anon_$128] if that's okay with everybody first uh before i go to [anon_$082] because i've no other hands after that [anon_$128] over to you 53:57 thank you thank you [anon_$080] i haven't seen you since you were elected so congratulations 54:00 thank you very much 54:01 um uh just quickly i wanted to come on and on [anon_$082]'s point as well i think it's an extremely important point and i think that the criticisms of of long term leasing are are valid [breath in] but they do need to be balanced with that sense of of the im=immediate requirement providing people with homes and certainly that's important must be important to the local authorities it's certainly important for the group housing bodies i think the real issue here is that it always makes sense as we wake up any morning or in any week to do the short term thing on the leasing and that made sense over the years as we came out of the crisis where it's deeply frustrating is that we're still treating it as if we didn't know this was coming and now we've got the government is bringing out the uh housing for all strategy i think in the next couple of weeks it would be very useful after that is out if the council was if the officials were able to come back and say well now we know what the strategy is going to be for the next number of years at what point are we going to be able to decrease the reliance on long term leasing 54:58 here here 54:58 and at what point and how are we going to start taking this longer view so that we're not always in this position of we got to do it because it's a crisis we need to be have uh a pathway out of the crisis and to have much more long term sustainable uh ways of of dealing with the issue thank you 55:16 thank you very much uh [anon_$128] okay uh back you [anon_$124] and uh [anon_$127] 55:20 uh chair ![unclear]/! yes uh uh as i agree fully with [anon_$082] i think [pause] the long term leasing uh uh uh will be very uh very big make a big contribution to our needs and regeneration where people and families can tell us it but on the other side of it it is as i say again it is making a very significant contribution to housing needs generally there'd be hundreds more families in emergency accommodation and hotels and family homes only for the long term leasing scheme that we have now it's up to government to make changes on it but while the scheme is there it's up to us you know to maximize it in relation to [anon_$128]'s comment uh i think we'll be reliant on the on the long term lease for many many many years to come [pause] that that we have very little land to build on the pipeline that you see in our housing supply report and we've said this several times before that's it there's no more land owned by [anon_inst86] in the city so uh uh we're quite happy to look at other options okay we think maybe there's potential in the landmark days it has potential on empty properties and only utilize properties underutilized properties around the city but uh i think we will be reliant on long term leasing for many years to come [pause] uh [anon_$042]'s uh uh management of many years most of them leases are now 25 years but some are 10 and some are 15 the the the regulation at the moment and it's not a regulation dictated by developers it's actually implemented by the [anon_inst197] and that is that the property goes back to the developer after 25 years however after 25 years it may well be the developer is quite happy to sell the property to us [pause] and might be quite happy to roll over for another 25 years and on the other side of it we might be too anxious at all to become more over 25 years it depends on what kind of conditions it's in in 10 or 25 years time it may actually be a liability however uh at the moment our our clear understanding is the government are looking seriously at changing that element of the scheme so that after 25 years that the property will come into the ownership of [anon_inst86] ![unclear]/! so that's being worked on as we speak the 100k sites fund is very very um welcome and it would certainly make a big difference if it can be re=applied retrospectively to um ![unclear]/! um [anon_pl108] and uh possibly uh uh uh ![unclear]/! for cleanup it could certainly make make affordable purchase price ever so much more attractive [breath in] whether whether it will make a difference to private developers where they are developing private units uh i'm not sure [anon_$042] how that's going to like 100 grand sites obsolete if the construction cost is say [pause] say 350000 it certainly makes a big difference that brings it down to 250000 or if a developer is building something for 700000 uh 600000 the 100k really doesn't make any difference it it doesn't make it affordable it remains to be seen whether it will result in developers rather than going for the attraction of long term of of long term leasing or build to rent that they'll start building for purchase again the main reason developers are building for purchase is [pause] they find it very hard to get the money that you used to get years ago for building and also there's no guarantee that they'll have buyers at the end of the day buyers find it very hard to get mortgages from them because of the central bank rules so it's too early yet [anon_$042] to see whether that will make any difference um and the [anon_$128] thing yeah we're relying on on acquisitions and long term leasing for many many years to come 58:41 okay thank you 58:41 =![unclear]/! chair sorry just the uh the point um that councillor [anon_$082] made on the regeneration i mean that's the game changer for us if we can get leasing properties in the right locations it could shave years off some of the timeline for the regeneration and i think [anon_$127] used the word before that you know we're we're judicious in terms of what we take in we don't take everything that comes into us it has to have a logic it has to make sure that it doesn't upset the tenure balance too much in areas but it's a very strong delivery mechanism but we were talking about this as if it's the only delivery mechanism it's still only a part of the suite of options that we try and deliver uh would we prefer not to rely on it yeah we would prefer to be able to build every house to satisfy the housing waiting list but that's just not possible or or feasible so it's a fantastic option at the moment and if we use it cleverly and in the right locations and at the right time it can be very very effective 58:51 okay thank you very much i'm going to close off that section of the agenda and go now to the report on homelessness um [anon_$089] is there anything in that report you'd like to highlight before i take questions 59:48 um no not specifically to the report because it's all there um i didn't have the lettings information before um for= in time for the report for the the the um [anon_ inst86a] lettings to home they are holding steady um they're about 25% of overall lettings um so far this year that's the only additional information 1:00:08 okay thank you uh now i think that councillor [anon_ $086] and [anon_$128] you might have your hands up from previous or are you still having them up for this [pause] okay so i will go to councillor [anon_$081] followed by councillor [anon_$045] [pause] followed by [anon_$129] [pause] 1:00:26 thanks [anon_$080] and again thanks to [anon_$089] and all her staff who continue to [pause] provide an excellent service [pause] to maintain their integrity and humanity in a very difficult situation i appreciate you getting back to me especially after five o'clock [anon_$089] to you and your staff so just want to note that on behalf of many people [breath in] um a few a few questions the single persons i noticed it's it's [pause] it continues to jump out at me it's very very stark the numbers are very very stark while we seem to be getting on top of the the family homelessness we can debate that and uh it its effectiveness the numbers are over 3000 single people homeless in may 20 uh 21 which is shocking shockingingly high continues to spiral but what was the number in may 2020 i can't find that statistic while i see they went up from may uh uh 2020 from 123 rented homelessness to 154 so all the numbers for the single person seemed to increase but i wonder what was the total uh 12 months ago and i'm wondering i know i'm opening a massive debate but maybe you're you're thinking [anon_$089] wo=is there an argument or do we see an argument for [pause] um reinstating priority for homeless single people um because we're not really making any real impact on the numbers and we know it's complex and the longer the longer term somebody is in homeless or emergency accommodation as a single person sometimes the problems they entered homelessness with become more complex uh and i'm aware of that from from my job here particularly around dual diagnosis and what are the causes of the homelessness for single persons i see with families we see a break broken down and that dispels many myths that were at once out there so i'd like to know what are the causes for the single persons and also what i see as well while the number of families in homelessness has decreased overall particularly over the last number of years and much of that is down to the work you've been doing and your colleagues and your predecessors there is an increase in the number of families entering homelessness from uh 25 [pause] families in may 2020 to 62 families in uh may 2021 i mean what's the cause of that is that a concern uh for you or your staff um look forward to your response and again many thanks for all your help cooperation patience in dealing with this councillor 1:02:47 thank you councillor [anon_$081] councillor [anon_$045] 1:02:49 thanks [anon_$080] [signal loss] um thanks for the report manager um [anon_$080] i want to highlight the breath of fresh air that [anon_$089] has brought to homeless services um it's not very often you get a a compliment ![unclear]/! from people then wholly but there has been there's been some serious work being done up there and through difficult times over the last number of months and [anon_$089] has been at the forefront of that um [pause] in regard to the national quality frame or standards framework i i'd welcomed response from the manager in terms of implementation of that but i didn't really get to directly answering the question in terms of an ultimate it's it's to be presented before committee in september is what the question came back at but we are still implementing that um will there be uh mention of trauma informed care within quality framework standards um to within deployed uh deployed operators and are being faciliated at the moment [breath in] in regard to the independent inspections like i know i've been screaming for this for the last number of years but i i'm not really impressed with what way we were rolling that out and and you know subcontracting that out we seem to be on this [pause] onus in every section of [anon_inst86] that we are going to bring somebody else in and pay them to do the work um on our behalf and you know i believe that a dedicated unit within um uh the housing section or homeless service section um would serve us a hell of a lot better in terms of um these inspection regimes within uh the the private hostel uh facilities i think that some con= it opens it up to controversy by subcontracting or contracting it out to um any sort of company and i do believe that we need to look at what what way that model is um going to be rolled out the free phone report um well a review on the free phone we were supposed to see something back on that we haven't got anything back in the last number of months i know everybody is busy but um can we get an update um on uh where we're at uh on that and i'd also like to highlight that in the report um [pause] we seem to be pulling things in and out of these reports they're not consistent and the debts we've asked the debt to be put on the reports they were put on reports for a number of months they were taken back out they were put back in and they were taken back out so can we ask that they're put back onto reports in terms of updates in regard to many people are doing um within our facilities um monthly thanks [anon_$080] 1:02:49 okay thank you uh [anon_$129] [pause] please 1:05:05 uh thanks [anon_$080] congratulations on the new role and every success from from ourselves here in [anon_inst198] 1:05:17 thank you 1:05:17 um just a quick one for [anon_$089] um she might just remind us or update us [anon_$089] a query from my colleague [anon_fn116] [signal loss] um on the status of the intended audits um of the [signal loss] services buildings 1:05:38 thank you okay [anon_$089] back to you please 1:05:42 um [tech noise] [pause] thanks councillor [anon_ $081] um thank you very much for acknowledging the work of the [anon_inst199] they are very responsive and hopefully will stay that way um single adults yes it's a concern for us um we watch it i guess we've been you're right we've been so focused on families for previous years um the housing support officers we have we have that work for you= that work for us i suppose in combination of different things um you know uh if there's [anon_inst200] teams working with families for instance as well um we have brought uh housing support officers into the private emergency accommodation to work with single adults again to give them the access and that has increased the number of single adults exiting we've a particular focus in [anon_inst86] on over 65s i think we've the numbers down quite tight and low now so people are either under offer or for one reason or another may need a different form of accommodation [tech noise] other than local authority so we are focusing very heavily in relation to homeless priority my honest answer to you would be it's not an immediate concern and the reason it's not an immediate concern is that we still have a considerable number of people pre 2018 with homeless priority um so what i would say is is= and and no more than with homeless right the fact that we took away pri= priority has not stopped us directing we gave a commitment that we would continue to direct a share of lettings towards homeless people um without getting caught up on you know i'm two years in emergency accommodation i need to be moved outness but we're still continued to direct lettings um to homeless um based on you know maybe their overall time on the list rather than necessarily the time in emergency accommodation so i think you know we haven't dropped the ball um at all in terms of um and in in the commitments we made when we revised the scheme and i'm happy to talk about that anytime you you know more specifically in the committee we might look at that again um the budget for right now i would say no because we have considerable numbers on the homeless priority list so it's um secondly causes for homelessness for single adults we have done forensic kind of analysis in terms of family homelessness um the single numbers we're starting to do that and i should be able to start reporting to you a little bit more on the causes uh pass version two has became live that's our reporting system on event case management it should help us refine i mean obviously it depends on what people put in but it should help us get more of a sense of why single people are reporting as homeless we do see we and from what i know we did see more private rented from single adults [pause] in the past month um same as with families private rented is starting to feature again whereas obviously it didn't during the moratorium um and travel opening up has changed as well in terms of new com= in in terms of new presentations so this they are the two reasons that we see for increases and for causes [pause] councillor [anon_$045] thank you very much for your kind comments much appreciated um the quality standards frameworks for [anon_inst201] we are going to i think it's the 21st of july and the special committee we're going to work we're going to be giving a detailed update on that but yes we are conscious of it um we are conscious that we need the the standards and of pas and rolling out supports and pas is a shared concern i think amongst all of us on the special committee so i think we're going to be looking at all of what's happening in terms of [anon_inst201] specifically private emergency accommodation sorry as opposed to the [anon_inst200] and that special committee on the 21st um and we'll give some time to that um and that would be [pause] but yes in terms of the national quality=quality standards that is uh rolling out to pas that is a commitment from us the in=the reason we went for the independent inspections i agree with you by the way i would i would have preferred that we kept the unit within [anon_ inst86] but i think there was a sense of in in some of the criticism we were getting is that having it in [anon_inst86] wasn't independent enough um so that's ultimately why we went for and you know we tendered externally for it um the free phone review [anon_fn136] should be in contact with people um uh you know this month and next she's um she's back engaged she had um she had previous commitment and another contract for may but she's back engaged and we should expect that report um i would be certainly hoping for it around september um to have you know to give her a chance to write it up she's certainly been meeting with staff and she's meeting um she's meeting with um key stakeholders over the next couple of weeks uh reports and debts they're back in modified so we're um we're going to take on board um [anon_fn117]'s recommendations and what we discussed this time the last committee which will take out tenancy related debts um and we we so will keep continuing we'll keep reporting to this committee um in relation to debts and in emergency accommodation if that's= i think we're all agreed on that um so yeah that would be in you should expect to see that in from now on 1:05:45 okay thank you very much [anon_$089] i've two more hands 1:09:48 sorry there was a question [anon_$080] i apologize 1:10:03 very quickly+ 1:10:06 +it was a specific i asked around we now have 3029 single persons homeless 1:10:20 okay 1:10:20 what was the number 12 months ago if they wouldn't mind clarifying that thanks 1:10:24 the front sheet [pause] gives the the list but [anon_$089] you want to=might come in more specifically it goes from may 2020 councillor [anon_$081] to may 2021 for all [pause] family statuses 1:10:39 so are we looking sorry councillor [anon_$081] the question again was what month were you looking for for singles 1:10:45 yes please yeah for may 1:10:47 ![unclear]! 1:10:47 maybe i'm if it's in there i'll find it don't worry about it 1:10:49 it's not in there but we don't um so but um we don't um so it was 123 new single presentations in may 2020 um and bearing in mind that was even during covid so [pause] we did find that that's quite a staggering number really when you think of it i suppose that that was in the middle of lock= peak lock downtime that was for 2020 [pause] 1:11:12 okay thanks [anon_$089] 1:11:13 thanks 1:11:14 uh i've two more hands i have councillor [anon_$086] and [anon_$128] and i've a question myself so councillor [anon_$086] [pause] 1:11:25 sorry it was up earlier 1:11:26 okay [anon_$128] 1:11:28 uh thanks very much um i just want to to add my uh comments about the the quality of the the report um i must admit that because it wasn't a separate homeless report i missed it in the overall overall pack um so and because it's now there is a new format which does seem to be a a fixed template um there's different things in different places it was easy to miss that but i think it's a really good quality report i think that's really good it now leaves us the opportunity to do what i i was arguing the committee should be about is not sort of trying to uh find out data at the meeting but actually talk about the strategic implications of that and i i do think it'd be useful when this section comes up for sort of more detailed discussion there could be some sort of agreement with the with the council as the incoming chair of the [anon_inst91] about concentrating on one particular theme in homelessness that we might be able to to sort of have a bit more of a strategic discussion about it and understand the way that that's developing in a much more constructive way just the last point i'd like to say is that our services across the country are picking up um increasing pressures as we move out of um uh out of lockdown and the the restrictions that were there on evictions and and so on um it's interesting um i think some people are a bit being a bit too [pause] apt are a bit too confident that things are going to go appallingly badly i live in fear that they're going to become appallingly badly and i hope that they that they don't it's quite interesting but that hasn't well there is an increased number of families becoming homeless it's it's not the rapid acceleration that that was in our worst fears i think that's positive outside of [anon_pl44] we are getting a lot of feedback that councillors that councils local authorities are saying to people who've been living in wider accommodation living with family and friends in totally unsuitable circumstances where that's now no longer possible and are trying to present as homeless or being refused because well if you were able to live with your sister for the last six months why can't you live with her right now even though that's quite clearly untenable i'd like to say that we're not hearing any of that from [anon_pl44] and i just think that it's really positive to say that but it would probably be useful for [anon_pl44] to know that that seems to be a bit of a feature across the country and maybe raise it with your colleagues because the obvious consequence of that is a number of people who are refused as homeless in their own local authority will need to find somewhere else to go to be homeless and that's been the problem that you've dealt with before so there must be ways in which you can talk to your colleagues maybe with a custom house to maybe have a little bit more of a return to the= what the legislation says if you've no reasonable place you can stay you ought to be re=uh considered homelessness but just to to note that we're not getting any reports of that nature in the [anon_pl44] context which is is deeply welcome thank you 1:14:15 thanks very much [anon_pl128] uh before i go back to you [anon_ $089] i just have a question myself uh to what extent is the availability of one beds uh an influence on this slowness of singles getting accommodation [pause] as opposed to the cost it's more availability thank you [pause] 1:14:39 um i'll come back in sorry i um [anon_$129] i want to apologize completely skipped your question um i wasn't trying to avoid it [laugh] um in terms of the inspections that's [anon_$129] that the inspections will be for both we're trying to get consistency and that's where we're aiming is consistency across all our accommodation so when we inspect um a physical property we'll be inspecting the physical standard so the new inspectorate when it when that's applicable they'll be they'll be inspecting both private and [anon_inst200] facilities to try and keep the standard up everywhere um so that you know whenever that's in place we will be communicating with everybody um [anon_$128] thank you um yep thanks um you're right i agree with you in terms of the increase in new families and i certainly welcome some of the work that we've done you know together um um in terms of prevention work which i understand from from the [anon_inst202] for people who are in arrears this there's been some prevention work there which is to try and i suppose to to get ahead of the problem which i hope will be you know what i hope will pay dividends and certainly my my understanding from the [anon_inst202] in [anon_pl41] is that they've had quite a number of contacts from families who've been you know who have been prevent=we've proactively contacted families to say look you are at risk if you've have careers um so that's being you know it's great to see some kind of proactive work happening councillor [anon_$080] um and the issue with the other local authorities [anon_$128] sorry yes um certainly uh we do have a regional forum we can we can raise it there to see if it's an issue um councillor [anon_$080] the one beds i would need to look at that in more depth um and i might do it in terms of the special committee we can look at um [pause] we should look i could give you a let= we probably look need to do a detailed look at the lettings for singles and um families in relation to homeless anyway so i think um is it an impact on us is the shortage of one bed supply unquestionably um as for housing first as for um you know where we do get one beds it tends to be senior citizens bedsits but we obviously we would like to have more of a one bedroom supply um for both both housing first and for people you know who aren't maybe don't require that level of need um but you know it it's one bed is a constant issue for us so we're probably better than our [pause] [breath in] we have more one bed stock than our colleagues in [anon_pl50] and south so we're relatively lucky in that also some i mean due to the change in the scheme of lettings we do have more homeless people accessing two bedroom accommodation now where they have family or overnight arrangements or access arrangements 1:16:59 okay thank you very much is that report agreed everyone [paper shuffle] [pause] thank you uh updates on the working groups you have a report there from the senior citizens working group they actually haven't met since the [tut] the pre= our previous meeting but we have a meeting next week with the [anon_inst203] you'll note a letter there from um our two [anon_fn118] of the [anon_inst203] from councillor [anon_$126] who chairs that group seeking a meeting with regard to seating a bus stop so that's happening next week the special committee on homelessness as uh [anon_$089] noted their meeting next wednesday and we have a report there on our oversight committee on animal welfare issues and i know they met this morning so i'm just wondering uh councillor [anon_ $042] if there's an update from this morning's meeting you'd like to give [pause] 1:17:58 thanks [anon_$080] um yeah as a that we carried out the tendering process um following which uh none of the tenders submitted were successful so i'm very pleased to say that there's a very positive interim measure in place which will be maintained and managed by the uh newly established animal welfare unit in [anon_inst86] it's very positive uh news uh from the uh from the uh the deputy chief executive and from the chief executive in terms of the support that they are affording to this new departure in terms of setting um um i suppose better standards in terms of animal welfare so it's really positive uh in relation to the care or the shel= the provision of shelter for dogs that are seized um abandoned lost or surrendered uh in the [anon_inst86]'s functional area and then um we had a discussion around the wider aspects of animal welfare in the city and it's very very welcome that an garda siochana uh [anon_inst204] uh members of the [anon_inst86] management uh and generally the team are fully focused on raising uh the animal welfare standards in the city it's a very positive uh development we're no longer using [anon_inst205] so i will keep members informed as we go forward but it's very [tech noise] positive and we're very all the committee members this morning are very pleased with the outcome so thank you very much [anon_$080] 1:19:29 thank you councillor [anon_$042] and thank you for your excellent leadership on this issue i have councillor [anon_ $032] has her hand up and i see [anon_$128] and [anon_$129] but i think their hands are from the previous item 1:19:40 okay i just wanted to add to the uh chair's excellent report on that just to say that it was a very positive meeting but that we do that [anon_inst86] are in the process of of hiring their own um dog wardens and they have the vans which is another so really we have made huge progress within a year on this um you know we didn't think we'd be as far as we have done within a year so just well done to everybody involved 1:20:05 thank you very much uh i've no other hands showing so is that report noted [pause] thank you 1:20:13 yeah 1:20:13 okay uh we're now into motions we have two motions uh on the agenda the first one is from councillor [anon_$063] with regard to the [anon_pl206] flat complex uh uh i know councillor [anon_$063] circulated uh an information piece which i know i found very uh useful uh on this to give us a little bit of background so i'll go to councillor [anon_$063] to propose his motion and then i'll take speakers if anyone wants to speak on it councillor [anon_$063] over to you 1:20:45 uh thanks thanks very much [anon_$080] and members of the housing [anon_inst91] for for giving a motion today um as mentioned by the [anon_$080] i did i did circulate an email earlier in the week just to give a bit more background and information to it i know there's a number of colleagues here from [anon_pl158] committee who'll be very very familiar with the issues at hand and i hope that um unfortunately the rest of the council will also be familiar i think they were they they were noted earlier on by councilor [anon_$082] [pause] um my motion today seeks to uncover the extent of the damp and mould issues that we know are present in the [anon_pl157] complex i've engaged with [anon_inst86] officials on this now for a number of months since taking up the seat last year and um you know i i recognize and appreciate the engagement that [anon_inst186] has has made those for our residents um but i do not think that a case by case basis is is adequate to address the extent of these issues we now have um statistical information [pause] to back up what we've already known i think for a long time uh that the damp and mould issues in [anon_pl157] are are very widespread and i don't think case by case is going to is going to uh adequately deal with those the residents of [anon_pl157] themselves launched the report last week uh two weeks ago excuse me and uh it is a direct ask from them that my motion includes which is a complete and total audit [pause] um of the environmental conditions across the complex and every single flat um 83% of residents said that uh responded to this survey said they experienced damp and mould issues i think um we really really do need to grasp the nettle on this um [pause] [anon_inst86] i mean in response to one of my questions recently said they were [pause] open to a more proactive and sustainable response to these issues and i think uh acting upon this motion will be a key first step to achieving that um a a total audit environmental audit of the conditions that that our tenants [anon_inst86a] tenants have to live with in this complex and then a fully costed plan to to remediate these issues um [anon_$080] i won't take up much more time i'm i'm i'm finishing now but just a final point i'll just add as well uh that i have included uh an additional component on is the pitch in [anon_pl157] um [anon_pl157] pitch is one of the most used public amenities in the flat complexes one of the biggest social housing complexes in the city uh in the state and the pitch is regularly used by children of all ages and i was down there the last day two weeks ago with with other councillor colleagues at the launch by the residents and there's ducktape actual ducktape just patting over uh some of the pitch and it's it's an absolute safety hazard and we shouldn't wait for someone to seriously injure themselves before we properly uh redress that and and fix that pitch so i've added uh an an additional line in the motion that we will we will immediately assess the pitch and then come up with a plan then to to fix that as well um so thanks very much [anon_$080] for for hearing me today i hope the the [anon_inst91] will will will support this motion and i do hope that the the officials will will welcome the sentiment that i'm that i'm opposing this but i'm trying to be constructive i recognize they are engaging i just think it needs more attention and it needs to be more proactive response thanks very much [anon_$080] 1:24:04 thank you very much councillor [anon_$063] i have two speakers showing councillor [anon_$123] followed by councilor [anon_$86] [pause] and then councillor [anon_$130] [pause] 1:24:14 thanks uh ardmhéara and thanks also to councillor [anon_$063] and this is in and you're correct [anon_$063] in saying that this is a conversation that we've been having for quite some time i had a motion um brought to this very [anon_inst91] back in 2017 uh specifically dealing with the question of of damp and building fabric and whether it's the responsibility solely of the tenant because of bad tenant you know living uh practices or was it was it was there an issue in relation to the actual fabric of the building and how you know while they were constructed at a certain time and and were of their time that there is an acknowledgement that modern living which we all participate in um is is actually what's contributing to to the the the such such high levels of of damp and mould and the 83% that you mentioned there and [anon_pl157] i mean the conversation in 2017 arose out of an exact same issue in the [anon_pl159] flats and some of the very same experts who were involved in the [anon_pl157] uh uh research were also involved in [anon_pl157] and the same conclusion was drawn then as it is now that this isn't a question simply of how people live it's a question of the building fabric the dated uh the datedness of that building fabric if that's even an expression and and the need for for a need for review and for really understanding um what it is that we need to to address that that the motion in in 2017 called for the establishment of a working group the motion was passed but unfortunately i was the only councillor that attended uh that working group and we also sought to have the tenant handbook changed to reflect the fact that that there's a broader issue here and it's not just it's not just to be laid at the feet of tenants so i really welcome this motion and i i actually have similar motion for our area committee meeting which councillor [anon_$063] has has has co-signed calling for a study to be carried out by the relevant technical experts um some of those are already known to us um and and that that we we address this as a matter of urgency because you know that the housing crisis isn't just about uh a lack of supply the housing crisis is also about the very substandard conditions that many people have to live in and where we have control as local authority over the conditions that our tenants live in uh we should be doing everything in our power to raise those standards and for at least that group of people and a crisis that is their housing conditions [pause] 1:26:38 sorry apologies uh thank you very much councillor [anon_$123] councillor [anon_$086] 1:26:41 uh yeah obviously concur with the um the motion and i'm very much in support of it i think at the launch uh last week um done by the residents themselves on the environmental survey that was carried out 1200 people live in that complex and we got the report of basic damp uh mould condensation was the biggest [pause] issue also rodent infe= infestation and there's they're suffering from external mostly external antisocial behavior um this complex is seen to the regeneration um 15 years as with lots throughout the city 15 years is just too long it's a very proud working class community there it's in the premier tourist area of the entire country from [anon_pl160] to [anon_pl161] and yet it's completely overlooked and they feel overlooked wonderful buildings that have to be obviously preserved but absolute deep deep retrofiting and complete regeneration but when's that gonna happen uh [anon_ $127] would you be able to answer if there has been engagement with the minister we brought this up several times to try and make some fast tracking of this as shortcuts um in obtaining the the finance to back it up and make it a quicker uh job of work um have you been engaging with the [anon_inst162] or some of your officials to see if you could clarify on on that um i know we want to get the residents to present to uh uh the [anon_pl158] committee and um i thought perhaps here as well i think that would be a good idea uh last week um [tut] the the the torrential downpours uh i think it was friday the videos that were coming through to me on my phone were horrific not just the balconies that were flooding into the houses and they were out um bailing them out but also internal uh videos of uh pipes bathrooms outlets all ceilings almost collapsing and i think [anon_inst86] and what was like late late on friday and they and the or thursday i=into friday and their response would absolutely support the the motion and we need we need to [pause] gi= take regeneration and don't make it a depressing 15 year wait which was started 10 years ago um the idea of regeneration so somebody will be potentially you know in their late 20s by the time they they see any fruition from it thank you 1:29:17 thank you councillor [anon_$086] uh councilllor [anon_$130] and then councillor [anon_$032] [pause] 1:29:23 uh thanks chair [anon_$080] just to say uh speaking in support of the motion and uh to congratulate the local community and uh councillor [anon_$063] for the work on this i think it's clear it's concise um and it's proactive in in nature um obviously damp is an issue that's affecting flats across across the city um but it's good to see this kind of activity or whatever else so just to speak in favor of it i think it's something that we could i'd like to see more of this kind of work or more of these kinds of motions being brought uh to the [anon_inst91] and uh just that i'd be supporting it thank you 1:29:53 thank you and thank you for your brevity councillor [anon_$086] councillor [anon_$032] 1:29:56 [pause] thank you chair and just to support this motion and i just think as well that you know rather than people waiting for things that are particularly of health concerns when relations to mould um have they looked at air filtration system that include um you know uvv light which can take some of the mould spores out um and can help and they could be used when they actually are refurbished and it might be something that we could look at then across our older um older and um flat complexes um you know as a possibility because when when when they do when they are refurbished and they meet the ends um um which we need to for all uh public buildings and housing um you know we still need air filtration so they could be put in and put taken out and put back in again you know so we we could reuse them so i just think it's something that might be um not too expensive an option but we'll definitely be very beneficial uh in terms of the people living there 1:30:53 okay thank you very much uh i'm going back to the manager of though councillor [anon_$123] do you want to come in very briefly again 1:31:00 yeah briefly just to say that that that was one of the things that the pilot group was looking at there was a pilot done where some flats were were fitted with those air extraction [pause] units and for the towns that had them they did make a difference so as a short term measure they could possibly also be considered but that they di= they shouldn't retract no [signal loss] just no refurbishment 1:31:19 thank you+ 1:31:19 =there is precedence at council and a report was done on that 1:31:22 +thanks councillor [anon_$123] uh manager back to you for response please 1:31:27 thank you chair yeah as as [anon_$063] said earlier like out [anon_pl157] houses is the biggest flat complex in the country 391 uh apartments and it's in it's in strong need of refurbishment or regeneration everybody accepts that the residence accept that we accept that um and the process of getting it to regeneration is is ongoing we haven't [pause] been we're not in a position to submit the stage one approval application to the department yet so it's no point just blaming the minister or blaming the department and it's not gone to them yet it's it's it's a big project and we're talking about maybe breaking it into three or four different parts so we're not going to do all kinds of ![unclear]/! and economic analysis all those all those kind of things we expect to have the the application for stage one approved to the department by september and we don't see any reason why they can't turn that around fairly quickly they turned around [anon_pl129] very quickly which is in um councillor [anon_$130]'s uh area uh the problem is it will take a long time to do because it it will require total retenanting so every single tenant in [anon_pl157] will have to be moved and i think everybody knows how difficult a process that can be um it it can be done and uh uh obviously a deep retro retro fitting um job done on it so from 15 years 15 years will be from the start right to the finish that would be everything finished like it took 25 years really for [anon_pl96] to be done overall from the start the problem we have and think everybody has is what happens in the meantime they they we we came to the [anon_inst91] about three years ago to report on regeneration and we explained very clearly and honestly that we have a whole lot of complexes coming out of [anon_pl157] in the city that were no longer fit for purpose they're 50 years old there's issues around mould uh mould condensation and our efforts over the years have been in central heating and new windows in some ways brought back comfort to tenants but it actually created more problems for condensation and dampness and all that but the reality is that uh a significant amount of work may have to be done on on the apartments and put in dealing with dump uh damp and condensation before the regeneration starts and we simply don't have the money for that we don't have the money the rent we collect doesn't allow us to do that and we have to do work like this in [anon_$162] and [anon_pl129] right right from the city so we might need and it's something we we've come back to council and we want to have to find some way of getting some kind of a special budget maybe from the department for this we've never done this before [pause] like the money for a regeneration will be there i've no doubt about it and will get done but the issue in the meantime this this this work is going to have to be done and that's going to be uh that's going to be difficult as well as the maintenance issues that are down there and it's because of the age of of the unit is a very serious drug problem down there at the moment open drug dealing open drug activity um and that's causing a major concern and that's gotten much worse since co= covid and we're working closely with our [pause] colleagues in the gardai on on that um the [pause] so i think it's it's going to it's going to be a difficult one uh what we want to do and which we've been doing shortly and we've done so what we would have done it uh only for covid is we're going to set up um establish a special regeneration committee special generation forum just for [anon_pl157] we're going to select an independent chairperson and uh we will have uh some residents on that and councillors and so on in order to to help push the whole issue of long term regeneration push the issue of how do we deal with the short term issues around maintenance and deal with the so= the social issues we have here as well so it is very much a priority issue for us but it is one of many around the city the whole regeneration program uh that we have has been speeded up and the point that we made about three years ago if we look at the standard way of us doing one complex every two years was doing it directly it would take us the best part of 100 years to get these things done so we have to look at more radical ways uh and that may mean ppps joint ventures joining ![unclear]/! bodies and so on but [anon_pl157] is very much uh top of the list [pause] in relation to the motion um councillor [anon_$063] we've no difficulty with that we've no difficulty carrying out an environmental um audit on the complex uh in relation to the football pitch and i was down there myself the other day there's a few patches on it it it's not that it re= requires um fixing it requires a new surface it needs a total new surface and the football club is working out very well a new surface would cost about 60 grand [pause] we don't have it [pause] uh uh at the moment but again uh our lads are doing uh a survey on it and trying to work out the exact cost and we make a case to the department ![unclear]/! himself was down there a few months ago and it was was very positive so we'll try and get that but it does need full full replacement smaller bits like uh making a contribution to the football club and we've done that with no difficulty with that kind of thing it's worked it's worked out very well the um [pause] and pushing the the regeneration we we're doing that all the time but the the issue for us is that there's a need for a significant amount of investment in [anon_pl157] before regeneration takes place and that's where we're gonna have difficulty getting the money for that but we have no problem with the the motion absolutely not 1:36:40 thank you very much manager i have one final speaker before we put the the motion to the meeting councillor [anon_$082] 1:36:46 yeah thank you very much chairperson thank you very much for the motion and and thank you very much [anon_$127] for your explanation there it's just a number of issues come up because of the motion and because of this conversation i mean we've hitherto used to use you know the regeneration board when a block of flats would be taken down and there was a structure there however i believe that that structure is now completely and absolutely out of date and not really relevant in many cases people who were on such boards like you know had no particular training and again many people complained who were in those blocks you know what i mean that they weren't really being super informed so when you're actually refurbishing a block like you know uh the likes of uh [anon_pl129] and indeed all [anon_pl157] i think we need to look at a different structure altogether i also think it is quite kind of like silly to actually separate these blocks and separate this process these are all public and social housing and this is [anon_inst86] and we are the directors of [anon_inst86] and we need to approach these in one single fell swoop and i would ask uh uh [anon_$080] with all due respect that you might set up as task force to look at the best possible way that we can actually set up a platform whether that involves residents businesses councillors uh uh whoever it may be to look at this possibility because [anon_pl132] is going to be 15 years [anon_pl157] 15 years a lot of issues here in terms of criminality you know as the way we operate and in the meantime the conditions of these places so i would ask that we would actually you know convene some measure of a special meeting as to what kind of a vehicle we're going to roll out in relation to how uh these are going to be managed through a committee because i don't think it's something for a rejuvenation board because we're not rejuvenation we're simply refurbishing and in many cases because of the listing of these buildings we won't be allowed to take them down uh [anon_$080] because of the special listing however i do believe [pause] that there is possibility for proper interventions where we can take down certain sections of these buildings and build them proper and right like they have in europe so i'd ask for a special consideration be given to that and i want to thank the council for the motion thank you [anon_$080] 1:38:50 thank you very much councillor [anon_$082] and we might get the manager to do a report for our next meeting on the point there raised by councillor [anon_$082] i'm going to go back to councillor [anon_$063] before i put the [pause] the motion councillor [anon_$063] 1:39:03 thanks very much [anon_$080] and thanks to the colleagues for for support of the motion and and to [anon_$127] and his team for the response i suppose [anon_$127] when you hit the nail on the head in terms of there there's a body of work to be done before the regeneration takes place i don't think anybody uh thinks the regeneration you know isn't [noise] worthwhile everyone everyone accepts it's absolutely necessary but it's just the conditions that the people have to live with in the interim you mentioned um you know i appreciate it's difficult and you're you're sort of just trying to give some ideas here now in this meeting but you mentioned possibly applying for a separate body of funding [breath in] for the interim fixes before the regeneration [breath in] um is that something you could come back with a bit more information on that'd be really really helpful uh i appreciate you know it mightn't come to fruition but at least if we're being proactive and applying for it and going to the department with the ask we can then go back to the community and say we're doing our damnedest as a local authority uh the other point on the pitch uh councillor [anon_$032] has just mentioned in in the chat uh would it be the [anon_inst83] and local government you need to go for for the relaying of the pitch or could you go directly to the spar= the department of sport um [pause] i'd be interested to get your your your response on that is it the council as the owner of the pitch i know [anon_pl157] fc are in there at the moment and doing fantastic work in that community but as owners of the pitch would it be you or the club that would need to apply for that funding uh really appreciate your response on those issues thanks very much [anon_$127] 1:40:20 okay manager you might come in very quickly on those questions [pause] because i have another motion on the agenda as well 1:40:27 just just very quickly chair yes in relation to uh uh we will it will be the case that we've been offered but we're going to have to get a budget we'd have to find a way of getting [pause] money to cater for the investments that are required on the shorter term so we will put that together and we'll come back to this committee on it and i hope this committee can add its kind of strengths to to that uh in relation to the sports grants [pause] they're they're done every year so you don't apply you wait until the department advertises that it's a fairly complicated process there's no reason why we couldn't do it jointly with the with the club and we've done that before and we've assisted clubs along the way but uh like even though 60 grand and we don't have that at the moment we may be able to find some way [pause] of uh of getting that done [anon_$063] so we come back to you on that 1:41:12 okay thank you very much manager i just want to lend my support to the motion and to councillor [anon_$063] and all the [anon_pl158] central councilors who are working on this and as i said it's a very big complex of ours and one that we we need to support so is the meeting agreed uh that this motion should go through [pause] 1:41:30 agreed+ 1:41:30 agreed 1:41:31 agreed 1:41:31 uh thank you very much um and well done councillor [anon_$063] uh we have a second motion in the name of councillor [anon_$122] with regard to the city development plan councillor [anon_$122] 1:41:42 thanks ardmhéara um this is fairly straightforward motion there's a [pause] a high level of uh [pause] housing and technical expertise on this [anon_inst91] um with the amount of work we've done looking at the various costs and different types of bills the social mix and i think it's vital that the [anon_inst91] itself has an input into the uh housing strategy that will be included as part of the draft [anon_pl42] development plan so i'm just asking that the uh [pause] members here today agree that we give direction to the executive to make sure that the uh housing [anon_inst91] pay= plays a leading a vital role in the uh uh compilation of a housing strategy go raibh maith agat 1:42:31 thank you very much uh councillor [anon_$122] i have two hands up but i think they're from previous ones i have an indication of support from councillor [anon_ $123] i'd also like to lend my support to that as well [pause] um [pause] so i i would envisage manager what councillor [anon_122] uh is asking is that the housing strategy document would come to the [anon_inst91] [pause] uh for a discussion [pause] before it's signed off on for the development plan and and they the various meetings that we're going to have on that so you [pause] might come in and give us a response on that i know it would be coun=or [anon_$131] and [anon_$033]'s area [pause] probably as well 1:43:15 i'll come in on that chair [signal loss] yeah look the quick answer is yes and and it is timely um [pause] the housing strategy a lot of technical data and research has it's coming to a kind of a conclusion where we can start using that data in terms of of the overall uh strategy that will sit in the development plan so there's a lot of stuff around demographics and baseline studies household size planning permissions completions uh which will dictate that you know current housing stock and then into the future what stock and ![unclear]/! are needed so yeah it's very timely uh i just want to think through how how best we engage with the [anon_inst91] in relation to that so that the you know the input is uh is uh substantive um i'll talk with [anon_$131] because there's obviously the development plan leads the structure so we tie in with that but very happy to work with the members and um let me think about it for a few days in terms of how we might manage that uh i don't want to come with like you know kind of a semi completed draft plan because i think we want your input prior prior to that so i'll just think it through how best to do that and come back to yourself chair or the committee 1:44:23 yeah perfect we can we can schedule a meeting between maybe the e= before the end of the month or early sort of the last fortnight in august when most of us'll be back before we go into that uh we we can do it as in a working group type meeting that we've had previously i think that would work very well where we can sort of tease things out uh i've just one other speaker councillor [anon_$032] on that [pause] 1:44:47 just to support uh the motion um i think that a lot of us have fed in uh motions already you know that are in the housing [anon_inst91] that our councillors have have fed in motions to that but you know i think that you know i i i would agree with councillor [anon_$122] that you know we have the expertise within this and it's you know very much policy driven and if we were to see our policy enacted in the development plan it's important that we have an input at this stage um you know so that we do have sustainable housing and and a livable city and it it in includes all the amenities and now that we've [noise] the strategic housing developments are going to be gone so we will now have a proper role again in terms of of planning and and um um [pause] having a housing policy that that best uh fulfills a livable city and and a 15 minute city and all the excellent um um things that are part of the development plan so yeah i i agree and i think it's really go= good uh motion and i support it thank you 1:45:44 thank you councillor [anon_$032] uh is the meeting in agreement with that motion [pause] 1:45:50 agreed 1:45:51 thank you very much okay last item of the agenda is notice of our next formal meeting wednesday the eighth of september but in between we we'll have some sort of um meeting on the housing strategy and we've have finished 10 minutes before our two hour deadline so well done everyone i think that's a first [laugh] in the last two years 1:46:14 thank you well done [anon_$080] [laugh] 1:46:15 well done [anon_$080] thank you plenty of practice chairing now 1:46:17 [clap] 1:46:18 [laugh] 1:46:18 oh stop i shall see you all on monday 9th of may lpt 1:46:25 oh right yeah 1:46:26 see you 1:46:26 thanks everybody good luck bye 1:46:27 bye everybody 1:46:28 bye transcribed by https://otterai 0:06 so once we start reco= okay+ 0:08 =yeah you're recording there now [anon_$090] 0:11 great thanks very much all right so as i said we're going to move item 10 up to after item five uh which is the [anon_pr61] first are we all happy with the minutes [tech noise] from the last meeting [pause] i'll take that as a yes unless there's any hands [pause] no uh there's no matters arising uh that anyone's notified to me speak now or forever hold your peace uh [pause] correspondence we have one letter from [anon_inst175] just about um eu funding for or sorry the categorisation of nuclear and gas [pause] uh there's no action required i have no particular business to add into this [pause] um which is item four so that's speeding us along to item five which is um the waste remunicipalization um subcommittee just for for those who aren't familiar this was set up as a [pause] following a motion at the very start of the council term and initially it was a [pause] i think it was a committee before the [anon_inst91] it was a committee of the whole council um [anon_$081] is gonna be [tech noise] taking the lead on it [tech noise] and uh he can [pause] talk us through some of the work it it's now par= on on under [anon_inst81] uh and they're in the process of getting a report so [anon_$081] do you want to uh um take it away there 1:21 yeah i'll i'll i'll keep it brief and i know ye have [tech noise] a long agenda um and i just want to acknowledge the support you've been giving us uh councillor [anon_$090] as the chair of the [anon_inst91] have also been very generous with your time and attending the meetings when you can and and supporting us um i don't think we'd have made the advances we have without your your support and also to acknowledge [anon_$092] and [anon_$093] here for giving us their their their both their professional support and practical support in advancing the work of of the subgroup [tech noise] and it's made a big difference to to the work we've been doing so i just wanted to acknowledge that [tech noise] i think particularly [anon_$092]'s insight has been invaluable [pause] to to the the working group it's given a sense of professionalism and focus and that the wider working group has has equally remained um i suppose the their commitment has been great um honestly cos we passed this motion back in 2019 i think so it's been a slow trudge but we are moving in the right direction to the tra= the trajectory is going in the right direction i think that the the big breakthrough for us [pause] has been the negotiation the meeting and then the commissioning of a report by the [anon_inst176] um [anon_inst177] again was on on the [anon_$092] guidance he engaged with them directly we agreed uh terms of reference we met with them they made a presentation was a very good presentation then they they left the meeting and we agreed [pause] virtually unanimously to actually uh ask them to do the report+ 2:44 =[answers phone] hello 2:44 +that report should be ready fully um in june we'll be uh i got a a a brief written report in december an update that was circulated a working group and to yourself chair um and they were having a nu= further meeting of the sub group in february which i hope the [anon_inst176] can attend and give us a kind of a mid way in depth um uh uh report or analysis of where we are then the full report should be finished in june which we um they'll be back at the meeting to to share that report and and to talk us through it that report will then be belong to the sub group or to [anon_ inst86] it's not policy we're not looking at them to draft policy we're asking them to do uh some research and to give us guidance on what [anon_inst86] can do what legislation that would need to be passed at [anon_inst178] level to ensure that we use remunicipilisation of the domestic waste [breath out] uh collection service so we we we're we we we're confident that we'll have [tech noise] that report in june and then we can bring it back to the [anon_inst91] once again [pause] [tech noise] for the discussion and that will then hopefully be some sort of roadmap that will help guide us we don't have to adopt a whole report initial it's just as policy it's just a report [pause] uh to help uh further the advancement of the mandate that was given to us in 2000 and and uh 19 [pause] sinn e i think if there's any questions or [anon_$092] or indeed yourself uh councillor [anon_$090] or [anon_$093] if any of you want to add or subtract or if i missed out on anything feel free to add to it there 4:06 that sounds great [anon_$081] and thanks so much for all your work on this really appreciate it and thanks for coming in to update us are there any [pause] questions for that or are we kind of it's probably best to wait until the report i'd say before we get into a substantive discussion if that's okay 4:17 yeah absolutely um 4:18 great [pause] okay great 4:20 is that all right thanks ![unclear]/! the rest of the meeting 4:22 thanks thanks [anon_$082] 4:24 slán 4:24 thanks 4:27 great uh [anon_$092] you got your hand up there 4:29 [clears throat] sorry chair can i [clears throat] just for the benefit of the minutes i don't think it's a decision that's necessary but just for the purposes of clarity [breath in] what the [anon_inst176] are going to bring back is the scoping report and the methodology+ 4:39 =yeah= 4:39 +in terms of how to complete the research+ 4:41 =yes= 4:41 +i i take it this group i suppose because you have previously made that commitment that they could engage the [anon_inst176] i presume that this group therefore is still happy for the subcommittee to continue that engagement um in february i think it's the 24th february that the [anon_inst176] are coming in to make the presentation [breath in] so are ye= just for the benefit of the minutes uh chair i i take it this meeting is happy for the subcommittee to continue with the arrangement with the [anon_inst176] and that it doesn't have to come back to the [anon_inst91] for formal approval 5:12 i i i'm certainly happy with that i mean they'll still come back for re= reports as they have there [anon_$094] you've got your hand up 5:19 yeah chair correct me if i'm wrong here but this subcommittee is not a subcommittee of this [anon_inst91] um it's a it's a subcommittee of effectively the council so um i mean the riding instructions i see [anon_$092] nodding his head there so the writing instructions who's giving the riding instructions in terms of the [anon_inst176] 5:36 um sorry so just to be clear that the the subcommittee didn't start as a as a subcommittee of the [anon_inst91] but it was+ 5:44 =correct 5:44 +but it was taken on board of it it is now our subcommittee and has been for i'd say the guts of a year 5:49 okay 5:50 if not more so it it is it is under [pause] under us if you know what i mean mhmm 5:54 so who's giving the riding instructions 5:56 in practice it's been [anon_$092] working with the subcommittee [pause] and that that was the purpose of the report to inform us today uh eh when you say riding instructions do you mean kind of terms of reference and that sort of thing 6:05 yeah yeah correct yeah yeah 6:06 that will be i think in practice largely [anon_$092] drafting and bringing it to the committee i think as a way it's been going it's that right [anon_$092] 6:12 uh just chair so essentially what we did was originally when i made a proposal as to what the [anon_inst176] could do in advance of talking to the [anon_inst176] you know and i brought that proposal to the [anon_inst91] if i'm right in may i couldn't exactly be sure of the month+ 6:26 =mmhmm= 6:26 +we can confirm that and subsequently+ 6:29 =it was may 6:29 +terms of reference were drafted by [anon_$081] who brought in in fairness [anon_$081] did 98% of the work and significant differences than what i had proposed um in consultation with his colleagues and that was brought to the subcommittee of the uh [anon_inst91] it was adopted at that and then notified to the [anon_inst91] so it was corrected originally it was my suggestion that maybe this would be the path to do it but in fairness to [anon_$081] 98% of the terms of reference were written by [anon_$081] and his uh contributions from his colleagues [breath in] and they were uh uh adopted at the [anon_inst91] [pause] both the subcommittee of the [anon_inst91] and the [anon_inst91] entirely independently of me so any interactions we've had since that time has only been points of clarification especially around legislation and stuff the [anon_inst176] have come back and they've sought to clarify legislation in relation to um and and uh questions about particularly the national waste collection permit office system so we've engaged in um those written responses and written queries in relation to it and i believe my staff have engaged in a couple of conversations as well outside the written questionnaire in advance of a questionnaire being sent from the [anon_inst176] just to clarify what in the wha= how to trai= communicate through the questionnaire uh the correct questions in order to get the accurate answers so that's the extent in in relation to it 6:29 okay thanks very much [anon_$092] is that okay by [anon_$094] [pause] 7:50 yeah i hear what [anon_s092]'s saying thank you 7:52 great go raibh math agat okay great that was item um five on the agenda but close that off and minute the points that uh [anon_$092] noted there that we're happy enough for them to continue and then just to report back in here um now for those who came in uh a little bit later uh the next item would normally be item six the posters protocol but just for some staffing reasons we're going to [screen share start] skip on to item 10 and then come back to item six after that uh so item 10 is the [anon_pr62] um i see you got the presentation there do you want to take it away and we can take some questions after [pause] 8:26 thanks thanks very much chair [slide change] um i don't if you all uh can all of you= can you all see that there the the presentation up on that 8:31 absolutely yeah that's 8:33 that's great thanks very much as most of you will know my name is [anon_$095] i'm a se= senior executive engineer with [anon_inst86] [pause] and i'm the project manager for the [anon_pr62] [tuts] i'm joined today by [anon_$093] who's [anon_inst233] lead and [anon_inst233] are the consulting engineers on this project [slide change] so um we're here today basically on foot of a meeting we had with yourselves last uh march to come back to you we were to come back to you on a limited number of of issues which included the water quality model the environmental impact assessment and the report and also project costs but just briefly to recap [breath in] why we're here today or why we're proposing doing this project [pause] it's essentially to improve water quality within the basin that's the [anon_pl114] it's regularly impacted by microbiological pollution and this is particularly noticable after heavy rainfall events so our idea is removing this this this pipeline from the basin will greatly reduce pollution within it [slide change] you will have seen this slide before last year+ 9:38 =mmhmm 9:38 +but just briefly to recap on it without going into great detail at orange on the bottom of the screen is an indication as to the line of the existing [anon_pl90] tunnel which discharges into the inner basin and also at the top of the slide you will see a section in red and this section of pipeline it's actually a big box a big concrete rectangular box was constructed in 2002 and it's what we call phase one it it was constructed under [anon_pl115] when [anon_pl115] was a brownfield site so that's in so our proposal is to join up these pieces essentially and uh with pipelines as shown in green so our plan is to bring pipes through the inner basin under [anon_pl116] [pause] along the side of the [anon_pl117] under the architectural platform in front of the theater then we propose a culvert similar to the one in [anon_pl115] along the land there on the camshars on [anon_pl118] we would also then join in on both ends of this existing culvert there'll be an outfall structure at [anon_pl119] so the pipe is moving from [pause] where my cursor is now at the bottom of the screen to the top [slide change] that's essentially that's essentially the proposal excuse me running away [slide change] on me here so as i mentioned the background to this is that we would come back to you um before we saw planning which is which is due in in about march of this year and we were to return to you on three items [pause] water quality model the environmental impact assessment report and project costs so as i said [anon_$093] is here from [anon_inst233] and [anon_$093] if it's alright with you i might ask you to talk uh talk the committee through the next couple of slides [slide change][pause] 9:38 thank you very much [anon_$095] good afternoon everybody [pause] um [cough] i'll just give you uh an update on basically water quality modeling and the [anon_pr63] or [anon_pr64] that will be accompanying the planning application uh [anon_pr65] the [anon_pr66] they're kind of [pause] world leaders in this water quality modeling they have produced uh uh a water quality model hydraulic water quality model to assess the impacts of moving the discharge of the stormwater ou= outfall directly to the [anon_pl73] um on [anon_pl119] we used uh data on the existing water quality within the [anon_pl73} [pause] the water quality in the storm water uh tunnel that's what's actually discharging [tech noise] at the moment the discharge rates uh within the tunnel we we have recorded uh time series of lots of flows in the tunnel are and the [anon_pl73] flow data which we received a lot of data from the [anon_inst179] [breath in] the model projected that the change in water quality over a period of 12 months in other words we modeled what [pause] we predic= using the existing what we knew we modeled it and see= saw the correlation uh and actually [pause] assessed what would happen if this discharged into the [anon_pl73] the results were then compared with uh environmental quality standards or eqs for the receiving waters [slide change] uh and the receiving waters in this case would be the um [anon_pl73] uh lower estuary um and that is where we're at in terms of the results uh there was no great showstoppers [pause] there's uh considerable greater dilution and flushing time available discharging to the [anon_pl73] directly [breath in] the results of the modeling exercise i suppose could be summarized as follows [pause] for the nutrients these are the [pause] components of the discharge that could lead to uh eutrophication in the form of possible algal blooms etc uh the nutrients [pause] that we measure within the water quality are dissolved in organic nitrogen which we colloquially refer to as din and the mrp which is basically the phosphorus uh the results basically there is no discernible quality change in the achievement of the [anon_pr67] uh environmental quality standard compared to the baseline [breath in] in other words is we will still have the same [anon_pr67] status for the [anon_pl73] after this has taken place for biological oxygen demand uh this is the oxygen uptake from um water due to uh the possible organic matter in it that will require um [breath in] require oxygen to [pause] uh to be assimilated i beg your pardon to be assimilated again there was seen to be no significant impact on the uh [breath in] environmental quality standard compliance beyond the mixing zone compared to the baseline um now the other point we would make is and we have looked at it in terms of bacteria and microbiological quality i i just want to say is the [anon_pl73] estuary is not a designated bathing area and consequently there is no eqs that we have to meet for the that's appropriate however there will be no impact on the status of the designated bathing waters around [anon_pl120] those are the the beaches that have been assigned bathing water uh status um the modeling exercise has shown that there will be no significant impact on water quality in the [anon_pl73] and [anon_pl120] as a result of the location of the stormwater discharge so essentially what the water quality model has shown what we have thought of what has been self since back in the 1970s 80s 90s that there's sufficient dilution and assimilative capacity within the [anon_pl73] to accept this uh periodic discharge of um polluted um polluted discharge thank you [anon_$095] [slide change] in terms of the [anon_pr63] uh an uh an [anon_pr64] has been prepared as part of the planning application [pause] there are no showstoppers [uh] no significant impacts long term have been identified the principal impacts are construction impacts associated with major and these are standard associated with major [tech noise] construction proj= uh projects traffic noise nuisance they're temporary impacts that take place while we're building the the scheme and there is a potential impact with other uh other projects ta= being constructed at the same time however with appropriate mitigation and this is standard uh good construction uh practice [pause] contained in a [anon_pr68] sometimes called a [anon_pr69] it is not anticipated that there will be any unacceptable impacts so it's it's all pretty good news you know there there's no there's no surprises uh it's as we hoped and there will be no [pause] there there's no significant legacy impacts as a result uh of mo= moving the outfall thanks 17:46 thanks [slide change] thanks [anon_$093] um just briefly then on project costs and just for your information uh with regard to previous costs um 165 million was spent in 2002 under [anon_pl115] that's the box section that was shown in red underneath the um underneath [anon_pl115] you might have seen it on you'd have seen it on the earlier slide in our current stage we're working to a budget of 15 million which is split with it's important to remember this is uh an [anon_pr70] as well as [anon_inst86] so there's a 50 percent split on this these costs and they're currently they're currently within budget and expect to be um we expect to be there towards the end of this quarter [pause] i haven't included a slide on on on construction stage project costs these are these are um commercially sensitive+ 18:30 =mmhmm 18:30 +what we've done with them is we have obtained the services of 2 3rd party experts to provide an estimate or a prediction of the construction tender value so both of them one was [anon_inst180] and one was was [anon_inst233] [anon_$093] and his his colleagues they produced a bill of quantities likely to be um forthcoming from a contractor or contractors and both reached a similar figure+ 18:56 =mmhmm 18:56 that figure was then used and analyzed through an [anon_pr70] cost modeling tool which has a lot of statistical information as to what the what the outturn would be based on the type nature and risk factors associated with the project along with that sum we we we've added on con con= contract outturn sum sum sorry in addition to that outturn sum we've added design fees supervision fees licensee licensings weigh leaves oh there's none of them management fees and overheads [pause] and we've also incorporated at every at every point of analysis a high risk factor so that the figure generated is in the order of 10s of millions [pause] it's also will be subject to inflation between now and the anticipated start date in two years so um it's important also to note that it's 50% [anon_inst86a] and 50% [anon_pr70] [pause] um [pause] ourselves and our partners [anon_pr70] we don't want to publicize these proj= these projected costs so we feel to do so would would would compromise the outcome of the tender process so um ultimately it will be the market that determines how much these the the the final costs will be so um that [slide change] thanks for your attention attention there um to ![unclear]/! senior engineer is with us along with [anon_$093] and some of our other colleagues uh chair if you if you want to give us some questions or however you want to proceed [screen change] 20:23 thanks very much um just just to say first of all thanks because that was 11 minutes i really appreciate you uh sticking sticking with the time [breath in] um we'll take some questions now and if there's a bunch of them we can we can break them up into sections but for now [anon_$082] you've got your hand up there 20:39 yeah thank you very much chairman and thank you very much for the presentation yeah i've been watching this uh with interest uh for quite some time [pause] [breath in] [screen change] while i take the point that [anon_pr70] and [anon_inst86] are splitting the costs on this [screen change] um um you know um that's welcome i just want to know where uh um [anon_inst181] are on this because as far as i know they uh they administrate and uh look after the canals and the canal basins and that particular water [screen change] so so where are they in this this particular project uh also+ 21:12 =yeah they're 21:13 +they're this this this is just if you don't mind you know so so where are they in this particular project [pause] i i wholeheartedly you know what i mean uh do not accept that you can take a pollutant from one part of the of the water system and throw it into [anon_pl73] and there's no impact [anon_pl73] as it stands at the moment is a sewer if you stand at um um [anon_pl121] uh on a rainy day the sewage simply pours in from all over the city through all of the various uh entrances into the river [pause] to simply treat it uh in the manner in which you've described it i think is really really wrong you know i i really do not believe that you know what i mean that to treat the [anon_pl73] in this way is good [breath in] the other aspects of it is you talk about bathing water and you say that the [anon_pl73] isn't bathable yet there are 1000s of children on a regular basis who swim in it particularly north and south kids [pause] regularly there is also [anon_pl73] swim which [anon_inst89] promotes so you're contradicting yourself in many many ways here because if it's a case that it's not a a a water to be swam in well then we have to take serious actions about it the other aspects of it also are when we do uh create this uh uh flow from the the the the rain waters etc and the pollutants into the river uh [anon_pl73] will the basin then uh become swimmable in can the kids go down to [anon_pl114] and swim down there saving us a huge amount of money you know for instance in the [anon_pl122] so so why are we doing this i understand we're taking the pollutants out but we seem to be putting the pollutants elsewhere so it's a bit like taking all the plastic and all the rubbish and then throwing it into ![unclear]/! and then saying didn't we get rid of that but there has to be a situation where there's a negativity i'm looking forward to reading the technical reports and data on them but i really do think that we sho= when we're taking one pollutant from one's body of water+ 23:11 =okay 23:11 +and putting it into another with all due respects chairman 23:14 yeah 23:14 with all due respects um 23:15 we've got we got the point i think 23:17 i know you know you know we we we need to treat the [anon_pl73] i'm really concerned chairman i'm very concerned that the [anon_pl73] is being treated in this way i really am and i i you know it it it isn't good enough i have to say it just it just it just irks me because on a number of occasions when we had presentations in relation to the rivers [anon_pl73] was omitted it's such an important part of our city and we simply can't treat it as a dumping ground with all due respects to the job and i wish you all the very best in it you know what i mean but i have these concerns thank you 23:47 thanks very much um could i ask could you stop sharing your screen there um [anon_$095] yeah 23:52 e= excuse me just apologies there guys [screen share stop] [tech noise] 23:58 thanks very much thanks very much so what i'll do is um i've got another question from [anon_$097] we'll take that and then we'll come uh go back to you if there's no further questions before then okay 24:07 yeah 24:08 um thanks chair and thanks [anon_$095] for the presentation and [anon_$093] um look uh my query is pretty much the same as as uh [anon_$082]'s query [pause] we're embarking on an expensive project and it seems [pause] sort of contradictory to think that we can move a polu= pollutant from the [anon_pl114] [pause] to the [anon_pl73] without any significant water quality effect uh and uh what we're doing apparently is that we're moving it not into the [anon_pl73] but we're moving it into the estuary so where does the river stop or where does the estuary begin and how are the tides affected is there a push back when the tides come and my second question then was in relation to the other [pause] two rivers that are coming in there towards the [anon_pl73] [anon_pl183] but particularly the [anon_pl123] is there a similar type of storm water outflow coming down that direction [pause] that also comes into the um [tech noise] into the [anon_pl73] estuary and that can have uh negative effects thanks 25:10 [tech noise] thanks [anon_$097] um if there's nothing else i might pop in myself as well uh with with just a query cos i i share the concerns about [anon_pl73] but like [pause] we have to be led by the water modeling here and the evidence i'd have thought you know um there's just one sentence that you had in one of the presentations there about the [breath in] [pause] um the the modeling uh it says that the the [anon_pl73]'s estuary is not a designated bathing area fine and there will be no impact on the status of designated bathing waters around [anon_pl120] i understand it won't impact on the status but uh just just just to make sure that that it's not a kind of uh a [pause] a wording issue there are you saying that the model showed that there's no discernible impact on the bathing waters um out= outside the [anon_pl73] estuary or are we just saying that the status won't be affected like like i'm just trying to see wha= what is [pause] the model's impact on those bathing waters that's my question so we've got those three thanks 26:06 okay um th= th= thanks very much sure we might we might um try and answer them in in by groups just to to i might start there just to talk about [anon_pr71] and then hand over to one of my co= colleagues yup um in answer to uh councillor [anon_$082]'s question with regard to [anon_pr71] they're they're kind of a major stakeholder and player in this and as you rightly point out that they are in control of the [anon_pl114] basin and they're one of the primary drivers for this jo= for this job is the pollution of their um of we'll call it their basement by we call it us and [anon_pr70] given given that it's our assets that are that are polluting the uh polluting the [anon_pl90] so they are involved in it very very closely take a keen interest we meet them every month we're in liaison with them with them um constantly um in that in that regard so um that's really where they sit on it big supporters um in terms of the effect on [anon_pl73] i might i might hand hand over to to [anon_$093] though making the point as i would that at present it is worth remembering that the current currently we are discharging to the inner and outer basin which there fro= from whence it currently arrives in [anon_pl73] elsewhere and while i don't mean to to belittle the uh possible effect of of changing something like this on our on our most you know beloved river um it it it is note it is worth noting that we are presently discharging in a in a long long about way to the [anon_pl73] would it be okay if i handed over to you [anon_$093] to talk about some of the other issues there there was um [anon_$090] mentioning about the tides and um and the pollutants um with regard to [anon_pl73] 27:46 sorry+ 27:46 +thanks 27:46 can i just ask about the financial contribution from [anon_inst181] are ye making any financial contribution since we're doing all this work for them at all 27:53 no no they're not councillor no they're not [laughs] 27:56 [laughs] very interesting that's very interesting 27:58 yes [laugh] 27:59 very interesting considering the uh money that they do get nationally 28:03 yeah 28:04 thank you 28:05 thank you 28:05 thanks 28:07 okay sorry uh yeah i'll try now to respond uh to the concerns etc um a that i start with the um easiest one first is was uh [anon_$090] i think was asking about the effect on the um the beaches and their status uh whether that it would be noticeable uh what we are doing whether that will change uh the beaches um the answer to that is it's not possible to measure it's [pause] by the time we pass uh [anon_pl124] downstream of ourselves is it's virtually impossible to know any to spot any difference between what's happening now and what um was happening uh what will happen in the future [pause] again is the other point i would make these are uh periodic um events that that are this is a stormwater sewer um which has is basically being used um as is all over the city quite often you know um as [anon_$082] said there is pollution going in it is um an emergency for want of a better word overflow to save the um the system back up in the catchment whereby if that becomes surcharged um and it's it's it's a common part of design of sewage collection systems the important thing i would say is then on the tidal element is that's our ben= that helps us what that does is that introduces a huge [tech noise] flushing etc and improves the um ow would you say the flush the the two elements there's one there's the massive flow in the [anon_pl73] right um which we have passing us by compared to what we're discharging uh that's completely different to what's happening in the basin the through flow within the basin is tiny it's very small it's it's the canal so therefore the effect on the basin would be much greater and [pause] what we're saying is that the [anon_pl73] has the capacity to accept this this isn't a huge big sewage treatment works or anything this is a storm water overflow that has periodic um how would you say short very short term associated with high rainfall extreme rainfall events our model is showing that as i said it's down= just downstream of [anon_pl124] is you cannot uh [pause] looking at the data tell [pause] spot any significant difference 31:04 okay 31:04 before and after 31:07 thanks very much [anon_$093] and just to clar= clarify one final point if you don't mind me popping in um the [pause] the extension of of the [pause] of the pipeline does that mean that there's now no outflows whatsoever within 31:21 we have outflow uh [anon_pl90] tunnel+ 31:27 =going to 31:27 +the the the tunnel that was discharging into the inner basin is no more [pause] will be no more sorry 31:36 okay 31:36 uh the one other uh is there something else i was going to say um for councillor [anon_$082] um was uh [pause] yeah is unfortunately uh the the condition of [anon_pl73] uh is i would dispute that it's an open sewer um is the the the it's more its status under the water quality directive etc um is i think it's moderate status uh we're trying to make it good that isn't the purpose of this this is a tiny little contribution compared to everything upstream or whatever an hour [pause] it basically what we have is sufficient dilution and dispersion um within [anon_pl73] uh it it's like [tech noise] [pause] 32:27 okay 32:27 it can take it that's my point 32:29 okay fair enough thank you very much [anon_$093] i appreciate that [pause] uh and thanks everyone for coming in on that presentation just we've got a busy agenda so that's 20 22 minutes we've spent so um thank you very very much 32:40 uh chair we might um we might leave you if that's okay we might we may 32:44 absolutely yeah no problem 32:45 we have a little business with our thanks collectively thanks everybody 32:48 thank you 32:49 thank you very much 32:50 can you inform us when you when you= submit your planning application when you when you submit all your documents thank you 32:55 sure 32:56 thank you 32:56 sure [anon_$082] will do thanks councillor 32:59 thank you 32:59 okay everyone so that was item 10 on the agenda just for those joining us uh so we finished that up so we're gonna go back to the to the agenda order we were going through so we're moving on to item six which is the posters protocol um we've got um [anon_$098] hopefully joining us i think welcome back [anon_$098] hope you're doing well [pause] are you there [pause] [tech noise] no no sign of [anon_$098] yet she is in the meeting but uh uh muted still i'll tell you what we might do [pause] uh [anon_$040] you're here aren't you [anon_$040] [pause] yeah you're item seven so what we might do is we might skip item six [anon_$093] if you would mind getting in touch with [anon_$098] and just seeing uh what the story is and uh let's go= let's he=head on to item seven which is the draft city development plan and we're gonna get kind of i think an overview [anon_$040] of of some of the climate measures in that if that's right 33:01 okay uh thanks i just just as a by the by i'm at home and my youngest has covid so if a five year old sticks her head in the background apologies [laugh] it's just out of my hands at this stage you know 34:06 hope they're doing okay 34:07 i have cartoons on i'm hoping they work [laugh] um i'm um just going to ask if um if the team don't mind um putting the slides up for me because i just i don't have a setup um to run them here myself at the moment so [pause] um if they don't mind sticking the slides up but anyway [screen share start] i'll start talking anyway just so that we keep going and we don't waste any time 34:28 they're on the screen now for you 34:29 grand thanks a million um just i suppose to say we're halfway through in the development plan process and we're at a particularly key stage in the plan and that we're out on the draft public display um we still have an almost a year to go which is uh yeah it it's a mad time line um i suppose just as a recap of where where we've come from and uh the pre draft consultation process we got over 750 submissions from the public um which were presented to the councillors and on foot of those and um on foot of their their vision for how they saw the plan they made over 1000 strategic directions to inform the plan if you don't mind flipping on one slide please thanks [slide change] [pause] um so um the plan then was made following these strategic directions um the staff uh put together the [pause] 1000 pages of development plan that uh is now on display um and over 300 motions were then made by the councillors to amend the plan and a whole range of other changes as well um [slide change] to the mapping so that's [breath in] i suppose just uh i suppose i'm gonna give a short synopsis of all of it because climate change particularly runs through all of it but then i'll kind of focus a little bit more back on that issue so the core strategy um and the whole vision of the region uh the national planning framework and the [anon_inst182] then those figures are all informing the plan and they set out the population and the housing numbers that the plan has to accommodate we have to accommodate 40000 and we have estimated in the plan that we have uh capacity for just under 50000 so there is i suppose headroom uh there which allows for i suppose the risk of of certain sites and certain lands not being coming available during the lifetime of the plan we also flag with capacity to do more um and that issue will be explored in and during the lifetime of the plan and i suppose this is critical because this is all about delivering housing within a sustainable environment where transport and movement all can work can coexist and people can we can uh i suppose create the environment where a much more sustainable response um for the city and for the country [tech noise] if you don't mind flicking on with the slide [slide change] thanks uh that's uh that's the i suppose a map of the core strategy which identifies the areas where i suppose the most significant amount of housing is likely to happen during the lifetime of the plan a lot of them are very familiar to you uh the [anon_pr72] areas that are across the city where and there is a whole chapter devoted to them setting out how uh uh i suppose a strategic uh framework as to how we'd like them to be developed [pause] next slide please thanks so [slide change] [pause] i suppose then we get stuck into it um and that chapter three is climate action chapter and it's written [pause] to i suppose to ref= to reference that this is a cross cutting theme across the development plant so within it we actually detail how every other chapter in the plan is supporting the climate agenda so um and we were keen to do that because i suppose it wasn't a dedicated chapter in the last plan and it was embued i suppose through the text but to try and i suppose give greater strength and weight to what has been aimed at um we have a dedicated chapter now on climate change and then uh uh a much clearer uh framework setting out exactly how we see that being implemented um in in so much as land use can uh through the development plan so there is a requirement for an en= energy statement on all all developments over 30 units we have a uh uh a whole series of policies on renewable energy um offshore particularly geothermal and micro renewable energy and there's uh a range of support and policies that we're planning obligations that come in in relation to it um in relation to is a number of policies and a significant amount of text in relation to district heating and sustainable energy uh is supporting decar= decarbonisation zones um that has been established um there's a section on waste management and the importance of the circular economy which is then again in more detail in the infrastructure section of the plan um the climate change section goes into the whole issue of green infrastructure and how that supports um i suppose both climate resilience and climate action um and the whole uh agenda of nature based solutions of which there's a lot more detail in further chapters but it i suppose sets it up and sets up the principles of what we're trying to achieve and puts in objectives in relation to that and then also policies in relation to sustainable transport supporting the delivery of electric vehicles particularly in relation to new bills ensuring that standards are there that if anybody's retrofitting or or expanding a carpark that they have to put in a lot more they have to put in a whole range of uh electric charging [breath in] and then in relation to the built environment itself so sustainable building materials are promoted the importance of energy efficiency and the uh the importance of retrofitting and reuse of existing stock and buildings that we have so that's kind of [breath in] i suppose in in a very short [laugh] summary form all of the issues that um that the plan aims to uh to uh to have policy objectives on to support uh climate action so if you don't mind flicking onto the uh the the [slide change] next slide for me thanks um just i suppose just a quick flavor of what's in the other chapters just so that it's supposed to put a context on it shaping shortcut structure of a city i suppose supports the uh the concept of sustainable development and it has emphasis on quality density and it makes use of growth and development to try and drive a 15 minutes city to allow people the opportunities to walk inside and to have the range of facilities within within a reasonable distance of where they live and where they work and so that they can i suppose engage in all those things so that's i suppose a core element of it and we have zoning policies that are aiming to support that this greater use of mixed use zoning spots that attends when they're above a certain size require a master plan showing how they're going to deliver the mixed use where the uh zed 14 which is the the regeneration site again there's a lot more great detail in the plan about how we deliver mixed use within those lands again to achieve that consolidated quality approach the importance of urban villages is highlighted trying to promote them to have a greater diversity to get more employment into them locally so that they survive better and they they continue to grow and to provide the the i suppose the depth of services that are needed within communities um the importance of height is addressed um and uh and the context of of the city and and a whole range of issues and there's criteria to go with that if you're interested in it and then the whole thing yeah i suppose the [anon_pr72] are are linked to all of that and how how we balance the different types of housing different types of environments different types of community across the city next slide please thanks [slide change] [pause] uh chapter five i suppose builds on that and looks at the whole importance of integrating housing the community infrastructure and again healthy placemaking making sure uh that we design uh you know in in the way we want the city to work so that it is safe that it's that the pub= the public realm is is of high quality the connections are made as direct routes to public transport there's good links and open spaces and parks and and uh i suppose a strong emphasis within that is on regeneration and consolidation of the existing stock that we have um the importance of social inclusion and i suppose just to because it's so uh topical um i've included in the slides uh the the whole uh i suppose the whole question of build to rent and the impacts that that particular peaking of that of that type of uh development form is having on the city and how i suppose we've been i suppose been monitoring that and in response to it we've included a number of policies to ensure greater diversity in how stock is delivered so that we create more sustainable communities in the long term [pause] next slide please [slide change] [pause] thanks city economy and retail um again just again this i suppose it's linking across some of the policies there's a lot of support in the economy chapter and um on the circular economy on having uh promoting low carbon approach and supporting key economic sectors as part of that um uh we have a policy on i suppose uh monitoring how tourism is delivered ensuring that it doesn't result in intensification in particular areas and uh supporting the retail sector and and trying to bring town you know forward and and promote it and to encourage people to make use of it because the city center is is the most sustainable place to engage in activity it's got the best public transport it's gets really well uh connected people tend not to use their cars as much when they're going to the city center um so it's to try and en= ensure that there's a great range of reasons for people to go into town that supports the local businesses it supports um a diversity of retail within the city center so that's all in there and you can skip on to the next slide so [slide change] [pause] uh movement and transport as i was saying heavily related to the climate change chapter in in in supporting and encouraging sustainable travel supporting the [anon_pr73] connections um we have uh changed the text in relation to the eastern bypass and that's now only referring to the [anon_pl188] which is the the [anon_pl188a] um the importance of increased uh river connectivity again walking and cycling making it easier for people to get to places um and the um the whole raft of uh new objectives in relation to shared mobility electric vehicles as well and uh the use of technology within the mobility sector so next slide please thank you [slide change] [pause] um and then we have a chapter on sustainable environmental infrastructure and another chapter on green infrastructure recreation and they cover a lot of the topics that are very keen and we've worked i just want to say particularly thanks to to [anon_$099] [pause] for the amount of work that we've done in relation to getting the green roofs and suds strategy uh into the development plan and then getting a very detailed appendix on both so setting a new benchmark and standards as to what is expected of future development to help manage how the city was ge= uh grows and changes and evolves and and doing it in a way that meets the green agenda and delivers um a much more sustainable approach to water management we also have a whole new approach on river restoration in the plan about preserving river corridors and creating the space where where where renat= um nat i can't even say it properly natural [laughs] renatrification of the river so uh so that's all new in it and we've as i mentioned we've a lot more detailed appendices in there we have a policy on basins as well um the plan is in an infrastructure assessment which is a new requirement um under the legislation and there's a uh a whole range of policies there in relation to the sustainable waste management and the circular economy and promoting uh a green infrastructure strategy across the city and the whole uh concept of urban forests urban greening and the use of greening as part of our response and as part of that the benefit the biodiversity and ecological resilience next slide thanks [slide change] [pause] um just i suppose to flag it to you um that we have a range of uh we've uh a new culture chapter and it's more just i suppose just so you're aware of it um a little bit less of an issue but it's more i suppose for the non [anon_inst91] members just who who suppose just promoting what the development plan does i just want to flag that we've a culture chapter and that we've a range of policies on protecting and supporting cultural venues and spaces and promoting the irish language within the city next slide thanks [slide change] [pause] um and then zoning and development management we have done uh uh a significant review of the mapping and there has been a number of changes there again i'm just i'm not going to go into them it's more so that you know about them that you're aware of them um when you get the the documentation next slide thanks [slide change] [pause] so that's basically it in in a nutshell um so uh if you have any questions i suppose i went through that at 90 miles an hour to try and give time for questions if that's okay with everybody cos uh figured [laughs] [pause] 44:53 no fair enough 44:54 there's a lot of it there if you want to have a look at the website um there's a whole range of the appendices the documentation's on the website and there are a number of background papers as well if you want to have a look at them in relation to the plan if you have any queries afterwards feel free to come back to me 45:08 thanks so much [anon_$040] and thanks for doing this as well with with with the kid who's sick i can appreciate that but that was a great whistlestop tour um i know there was a lot of stuff councillors fed in early in the stage and we were delighted that you took some of the [pause] uh fairly weird nonsense we threw in and actually turned it into a coherent thing to put in the plan so i'm i'm really appreciative of that particularly on uh electric vehicle charging i was really glad to see that and thanks so much um i'm sure it took great diplomacy um we've got uh two questions uh two hands up so far so first we'll go to [anon_$100] and then on to [anon_$101] um [anon_$100] do you want to pop in [pause] 45:44 yeah thanks very much thanks [anon_$040] and um i i find uh thi= this quite evangelical the way it's written um don't see it really being reflected in uh reality unfortunately um in certainly in terms of construction everything is promised and then the the same business is being carried on in particular obviously with the shds which are in fact just carrying on multiplied now because they introduced the deadline and and they pay no attention whatsoever to any of what you have just so carefully worked up and that is heart= my heart sinks uh i don't know if you want to comment on that you might not um the second point is it is as as uh councillor [anon_$090] just said through the chair there that um the [pause] it it would be interesting to know uh how this version has been changed by the public consultation process cos a lot of people put a lot of time and effort into that and it's again [pause] especially the diagram that you have of the sort of green arrows rushing out into the countryside 46:49 mmhmm 46:51 so um aspirational and meaningless as to be slightly irritating 46:56 [laughs] 46:56 to anybody who put time into it really like especially if you lived in one of those areas with a big splodge on top of it say we're going to do something here i think that that's a bit insulting really to have such um childish graphics uh for such a serious business um and uh i don't mean to criticize the work because the work is there that's what i'm saying and it's fascinating to know how you took the points of the people in [anon_pl95] or wherever it might be that it's actually we're actually going to deal with that flooding problem or we're going to improve something really out of all recognition [breath in] um and the third point is about tourism i think covid in particular and climate change coming along we have to really review what kind of tourism we're attracting into ireland in general but certainly into the city [breath in] [pause] again the idea that the magazine fort in the [anon_pl125] is just going to be another tourism ven= uh uh attractor into the heart of what we're trying to preserve as a pristine environment as far as possible for recreation of the people who live in the densest parts of the city um again and there isn't a tennis court to be found a public tennis court to be found this side of the city so why another tourist [pause] facility where buses and whatever else will just rock up there and disgorge their contents um and more military history again not exactly edifying so uh just a couple of gripes there but i mean i know the work is being done i'd love to see it being [laughs] realized you know on a day to day basis and the shds are a real worry and whatever will follow them which will be very similar i'm sure thank you 48:33 thanks [anon_$100] uh [anon_$101] 48:35 uh hi there happy new year everybody um thanks [anon_$040] for that uh very quick tour around the draft development plan um a quick question for you um you're probably in a better position than any of us to answer this straight off the bat i was interested to see [pause] um about the section of nature based solutions and that includes suds sustainable urban drainage systems and green roofs which are uh part of the same is there anything within the development plan that's looking at rainwater harvesting for new developments um rainwater harvesting it's part of the hierarchy of actions for sustainable urban drainage and it provides primary collection um the [anon_inst98] has already had uh a number of presentations from the [anon_inst183] and um [anon_$071] in particular he was highlighting [pause] the limited opportunities for green space within um [pause] significant areas of the city center and that green space isn't just for us to enjoy it also provides rainfall and filtration so [pause] if that's not going to be there uh and indeed isn't in in a lot of locations [anon_pl44] eight in particular we have to fall back on primary collection solutions like rainwater harvesting so to get to the point again um do you know is there anything that either recommends or brings in a policy that a a developer that's going to build a new apartment complex as an example has to also include rainwater harvesting thanks very much again for the presentation [pause] 50:20 thanks very much [anon_$101] and thanks [anon_$100] uh i think that's all the questions we have for you [anon_$040] so you're getting off fairly lightly um but uh if you want to= if you could re=reply to those and then we might 50:28 yeah 50:28 finish this section up 50:29 um i suppose just in in relation to the plan the plan is a two year plan to prepare and complete and the all of the submissions that were sent in at the pre draft stage were all read by the team individually each person who was writing each chapter read every submission in relation to the points that were relevant to their chapter before they wrote it and they wrote it very much bearing in mind all of the issues raised and how important they were um so uh everything that was sent in how was thoroughly read was read at least three times at least by the team you know that way to garner all of the issues and and and the perspectives of everybody in [anon_pl44] and anywhere else who made a submission um and on top of that all the councillors the 1000 motions were also taken into account in drafting into chapter so the draft that's now on display is the outcome of all that research obviously we also have to comply with national and regional policy um as part of that and with a range of environmental legislation in writing it so it is i suppose this is a key stage the plan itself won't actually come into being until the end of this year so it is not impacting at the moment on planning applicatons that are received um so i suppose new policies in the plan won't be tested in the development management sector until 2023 in relation to the green graphics i suppose [breath in] the [breath out] i suppose what i would say is that a graphic is trying to i suppose represent what we're trying to achieve and the vision [breath in] um something like say the green corridor that has been sought along the [anon_pl126] something like that is not delivered in one lifetime of one plan it's because it's so complex this the levels of ownership the scale of change and uh acquisitions and a whole range of other issues that have to be all tied together to deliver something like that and i suppose if we look at what has happened in [anon_pl127] and how [pause] as those lands got developed over eight nine year horizon they have enabled key pieces of the green corridors in that area to be delivered there is a setback put in with the development so that the green corridor informed the local area plan that was designed for that area so there was lands built into create a green connection between the canal corridor down to the [anon_pl128] the park was extended and invested in by the council from the contributions that were collected as part of that development and i suppose those two key pieces of those two green corridors were delivered as part of that concept and the same goes for all of the green corridors within the city it's very easy to say oh it hasn't been delivered in six years but it's not that it it it's expected that it would be but it's that that vision in those drawings is driving the individual actions and decisions the local area plans the master plans of each of the sites along those corridors so that eventually they all will add up to what we seek to achieve and i think a lot has been achieved that vision of creating green corridors has been in the last plan and the previous one and you know gradually all of them are adding up to create something that will be amazing and some of it is already amazing and i you know i i suppose i wo= i would argue back on saying that it's insulting because what we have done is is that we have sought to achieve the a delivery of green infrastructure in any of the major regeneration and to use them to create connections and to deliver sustainable movement as part of that as well as uh uh seeking to uh to improve the quality of the local environment and in relation to tourism i suppose that's it's a wider issue and it's not always necessarily a land use issue i flagged it because it has one it's a significant employer in the city and it can't be ignored on that basis um it provides a huge amount of employment to a whole range of different businesses both small and large um there is a particular issue in the city at the moment with hotel developments and the clustering and as a land use plan we have sought to address the clustering issue by adding in additional policies in relation to that um [pause] in relation to tennis courts i mean i i don't know about the detail of where tennis courts are in the city i know [anon_pl44] parks the city park um have invested heavily in in renovating and improving tennis courts across the city and i'm sure if if you know if you talk to parks locally about what their plans are and what they that that hopefully you'll get a little bit of clarification i'm going to ask [anon_$099] if he doesn't mind i know he's in the meeting [pause] somewhere um to answer the engineering question on rainwater harvesting there was a huge amount of work [laugh] done on on this issue and dealing with all different types of development and how they so there is a much higher bar being set as regards water management in in de= future development there is already quite a comprehensive sort of policy but this one is i suppose worked through and with a stronger aim to achieve a greener approach and the green and green roofs element is um much more strengthened in this plan than previously so it is [breath in] [pause] i suppose it it's a very complex thing because it has like la= multi layers you know it involves uh you know water modeling and rainfall standards on the buildings but i'm not an engineer so i wouldn't be able to explain the absolute details of it but what we have done is that any development any significant development of any scale that is lodges a planning application following the de= following the adoption of this plan will have to comply with the policies in there and we know rainwater harvesting as far as i'm aware is part of that but it isn't the only part and a lot of it is also about yeah using possibly blue roofs um using uh [pause] you know uh green roofs to store water and uh or to manage it within the development to create uh areas maybe of of kind of landscaped to water but uh i don't know if [anon_$099]'s there he was there earlier i saw his face but um is he gone um well he might explain it in more detail to you better but um [laugh] if i find it hard to get get you know yourself uh to to to go through it myself cos i'm not an engineer but um but yeah i mean the between the appendices and the policy i mean rainwater harvesting is part of it but the you know there's a whole suite of of actions depending on the density of the development and how it would be resolved but um it but it is a much higher bar than was there before so 56:09 i i i'd suggest maybe uh if you want follow up if if i that sounds to me like enough information but if if someone wants to follow up maybe i presume it's [anon_$040] [email] 56:19 yeah yeah no problem at all 56:20 that's the best way to follow up there [anon_$092] you had your hand up there for a sec or was it to say [pause] largely that 56:25 sorry chair we can send on the information after the meeting in relation to the rainwater and har= rainwater harvesting initiatives we'll circulate it to the entire group for onward circulation 56:32 yeah that that would be great so if if you can ask the question to [anon_$099] and then uh if you can circulate the answer that would be appreciated thank you 56:40 take the pressure off [anon_$040] now considering she's minding a small child there 56:43 [laugh] 56:43 absolutely listen well i i i think that's 56:46 just if i may sorry i had my hand up there chair 56:49 oh sure 56:49 sorry i don't know whether it went up did it come up that time my hand 56:52 no but go on go on go on 56:53 sorry my apologies there [pause] no i think it's just important to emphasize [breath in] [pause] you know one of the most important aspects of the development plan um and the difference between this particular development plan and the last number of development plans that i've certainly seen [pause] is the emphasis on sustainability the emphasis on greening the emphasis on the environment uh the emphasis on changing people's behavior on every single level uh of of the city at every single level of society and if you go back over the last couple of [anon_inst86] development plans you'll see the green agenda for want for a better word coming into the plan [breath in] now the green agenda is ce= left right and center to the plan you know and i do take the points being raised you know what i mean like you know about you know [pause] you know the way things roll out and the way things are slow[tech noise] but i think it's important to also remember that uh our future and our children's future and their their grandchildren's [baby cries] future they're the ones that are going to inherit this so i think it's it's wise to look at it as a constitution change beha= in the way we behave and the way we sustain our our city and the way we grow our city and i i think along those lines you know this this particular plan [breath in] and all the efforts that have gone into it you know what i mean and there are the green seats there are wor= are are are worth the effort i also think [anon_$101] makes a really really interesting point [pause] considering the lengths we're going to go to and the money we're going to spend on the basin [laugh] that we're not actually saving any of this water and i think that's a point but i just think if you look back on those the plans over the last say 15 years you'll see that this particular plan is a constitution and a massive change in the way we construct and the way we go about our city and and in general i i i think we should be supportive of that and i do understand the nitty gritties within it you know there's so many aspects of it but the principle that's that's here is to change and i support that change thanks [pause] 58:52 good man [anon_$082] fair play thanks very much um i think that's [pause] i think that's more more more a statement of support there [anon_$040] um so um thanks so much for coming coming in 59:01 no problem 59:02 and uh best of luck and i hope hope hope hope your kid makes a speedy recovery 59:07 uh yeah no she's+ 59:08 +thanks very much 59:10 she's watching danger mouse so [laughs] 59:11 okay 59:12 she should be watching this broadcast 59:14 absolutely yeah yeah 59:16 [laugh] 59:16 forget those cartoons this is what she needs to be looking at 59:19 oh stop yeah [laugh] 59:21 it's her future 59:22 yeah i know 59:22 thanks very much [anon_$040] 59:23 take it easy thanks a million 59:24 take care 59:26 [coughs] 59:26 alright so that that was um that was item seven on the agenda and just a reminder we al= we have completed item 10 already uh unfortunately [anon_$098] who was going to do the posters protocol which was item six on the agenda uh can't present today so i propose we're going to defer that uh until march+ 59:43 =chair 59:43 +yes 59:43 chair can i= can i come in on that 59:45 yeah just can i just finish 59:47 yeah sure 59:47 i was just going to say as well that we've had to defer that several times at this point um so i think it would be good if if if [anon_$098]'s not available that we have kind of maybe next time we can have uh a [pause] backup official who could talk uh with with expertise about this i know there's there are some others for sure 1:00:02 [anon_$078] 1:00:03 yeah i think he's moved on unfortunately but uh yeah uh if i'll i'll take uh i don't know was that what you were going to say [anon_$094] or [anon_$102] 1:00:09 no what i was like the report is fairly self explanatory chair 1:00:16 yeah 1:00:14 um in terms of what's in it and uh it is before us so i would propose if if members are are are cool with it that we just adopt the report [pause] i mean [anon_$098] has put the work into it it's it's they're two very very straightforward two or three very straightforward changes to the pro= postering protocol i support them so i i would propose that we stamp it 1:00:17 but i i would i would suggest that we actually wait for [anon_$098] and we have a debate on those particular issues because it's such an important issue uh councillor [anon_$094] you know i mean i really do i think to simply adopt it now without having to go in and ask+ 1:00:17 =yeah 1:00:17 +questions i think it it would be an error on our behalf bearing in mind+ 1:00:21 =have you read the report [anon_$082] 1:00:30 sorry folks this isn't a conversation 1:00:39 i'm not in i'm not going to be cross examined by you councillor 1:00:55 [laugh] 1:00:55 i'm just simply saying 1:00:56 i know you're not councillor [anon_$082] 1:00:57 [laugh] 1:00:57 i wouldn't dare i wouldn't dare try 1:01:00 you would you would you'd have a go [laugh] i'm sure you would+ 1:01:02 =hi excuse me 1:01:03 +i do think in all due respects+ 1:01:04 =no sorry councillor councillor you didn't put up your hand and [anon_$102] put up her hand before you so+ 1:01:08 =my apologies my apologies 1:01:09 +please thanks 1:01:11 thanks chair fairplay to you thanks a million um now look uh i i understand where [anon_$094]'s coming from i had a look at the report but i do um i do feel that there is a couple of things that maybe um you know we we we would want to discuss and just elaborate on and that's why we would need a member of the litter uh management team here it i do take into consideration also that this has been deferred i think three times now chair if i'm not mistaken so i we definitely need to have somebody you know lined up if [anon_$098] is not available uh to uh take any questions that may arise then again we could uh we could email them in if if if if the meeting was in agreement as well but it does it does warrant a discussion i always um am a bit reluctant to pass um you know uh documents in front of us with any changes in them without having a discussion with somebody from the team so uh just that those points chair thanks a million 1:02:08 thanks very much we've got [anon_$103] and i'd like to pop in myself and then [anon_$097] [anon_$103] 1:02:12 yeah yeah thanks um um [anon_$090] chair uh yeah my my feeling on this is that uh the whole postering thing posters are [pause] in generally generally considered as litter and exceptions to that are very narrow and should be kept as narrow as possible so i think there should be a uh a debate on this uh with with the with the relevant officials with the experience of enforcement uh of the of the rules uh present thanks 1:02:38 [pause] sorry i'm still on mute thanks very much uh just before [anon_$097] my my if you don't mind my my own quick comment was just that i had some issue which i have emailed them on and i'll send that email again [pause] soon to clarify just around the details that you have to list on posters some of it's set by legislation but we just need to clarify that because there there have been problems i know with people being targeted by very unpleasant uh right wing groups off the back of kinda campaign posters they put up so i just want to get get that resolved so it would be good to talk 1:02:51 [sneezes] 1:02:56 with someone from the team um [anon_$097] um [pause] 1:03:11 yeah look um my view is that we should have the presentation from [anon_$098] um that we should have a discussion on the [anon_$098]'s your own suggestion that if [anon_$098] can't make it the next time that we should put back up person but that we should certainly deal with it at+ 1:03:25 =fair enough 1:03:25 +that that should be the end of it 1:03:27 okay well thanks [anon_$094] i appreciate the suggestion for for moving along and see where you're coming from but i think there are a few issues people wanted to raise so let's let's let's defer it and um [pause] [anon_$092] and [anon_$093] if possible just making sure that there's someone else who can [breath in] uh answer the questions cos it probably wouldn't wouldn't be overly detailed um so we'll defer that to the march meeting but uh i'm reluctant to do it again after that and then we've got uh so we'll move on then that was item seven we just completed there we've got uh three items remaining eight nine and 11 so we're still under a bit of time pressure but we'll hopefully get through it up next is item eight which is a report we get i think annually from [anon_$104] about the social housing retrofit scheme [anon_$104] i see you there [pause] thanks for joining us 1:04:06 good afternoon [anon_$090] 1:04:07 do you want to take it away you've got your 10 minutes 1:04:10 yeah i'll go just one second i'll go as quick quickly as i can [tech noise] 1:04:14 absolutely 1:04:15 everyone can hear me yeah [pause] 1:04:18 yeah loud and clear 1:04:18 uh [screen share start] good afternoon everyone uh [anon_$104] senior executive engineer just to provide an update um on energy efficiency initiatives and improvements [breath in] under the following programs the boiler replacement program better energy community schemes and our main program so to speak is our energy efficiency retrofitting program [breath in] [slide scroll] um the boiler replacement program cos it does have climate initiatives and benefits to our tenants uh under 2019 20 we did a total of 1773 domestic boilers obviously covid had an impact um but operations continued throughout the course um we're currently [pause] [breath in] in a procurement process for boiler replacements and upgrades um [tuts] which will run for four years [slide scroll] um high level it's estimated under [anon_inst184] our energy partner that [pause] estimated savings can range in 150 to 200 euro per [breath in] [pause] year for our tenants in addition to obviously the climate improvements we achieve that's just a snapshot [slide scroll] of a flyer that uh we do distribute to tenants just in layman's terms so to speak to show the benefits with the new boiler replacements [breath in] [slide scroll] we did carry out an initiative uh in 2020 and 21 with smart heating controls there was initially a pilot project in a hundred [anon_inst86a] dwellings um an approximate [tech noise] cost of 500 euro uh but they were supplied and installed no cost to the tenants um both programs have been successful to date and the remote app is included free of charge for the first 12 months and after that it's uh the tenants decision if they wish to continue with it [slide scroll] they are just some instagrams or pictures of the units and what they uh provide to the tenants [pause] [slide scroll] uh moving on to our better energy community schemes program [slide scroll] we carry these out on an annual basis they're done in uh partnership or conjunction with [anon_inst185] um they facilitate community wide energy [loss of sound] and improvements [loss of sound] and we have nine senior citizen complexes and eight homeless sites under the program um last year's program included 10 senior citizen complexes they were approved in april commenced in june completed in september um and just a footnote that we did achieve an award with [anon_inst185] in 2020 in the public sector energy leadership category [slide scroll] [breath in] that's just high level of the sites that were involved in our 2021 program [slide scroll] uh moving on to the energy efficiency retrofitting program which i'm sure everyone's aware of at this point [breath in] um it's designed just to recap to reduce unnecessary energy consumption greenhouse gas emissions and demands for non renewables [breath in] to our housing stock and also provides tenants with healthier living conditions and significant money savings in their heating or energy costs [slide scroll] [breath in] uh once again a brief recap phase one and phase two and as of last year it's renamed the revised [anon_$074] [breath in] phase one entail [slide scroll] the following measures they obviously targeted properties a cavity wall construction um side cavity fill [loss of sound] insulation various attic pipes and uh tank insulation ventilation draft proofing cylinder lagging jackets that phase is complete which has seen that just in excess of 8000 units upgraded to date [slide change] uh phase two uh to avoid repe= repetition [loss of sound] contains numerous measures as phase one with the major changes external wall insulation as we're targeting uh properties of solid wall construction um it's been extended to windows and doors and heat pumps um in this [pause] small number of cases where heat pumps mightn't be viable due to space restrictions [breath in] we extend our boiler replacement program to cover [slide scroll] boiler replacements um in 2021 um [lip smack] they're just some high level [loss of sound] changes as a directive from the department that we're now retrofitting to a b2 cost optimal ber standard there has been an increase in ground support which is welcomed we have to submit a works program for approval prior to the departments and pre we always had post ber certs but now they require [screen scroll] pre ber certs [breath in] high level they're just some of the challenges uh not to be negative but you know that people are aware that we're working in occupied properties so okay weather access security and covid obviously was a large challenge and the last two years i suppose now um but they're just some high level for your info labor and materials is a combination of uh covid and brexit utilities [screen scroll] and general queries obviously we've done numerous properties a quick brief uh [slide scroll] program case study [lip smack] i won't go through they're just the various measures and what's achieved under each measure on an overall upgrade um [slide scroll] [lip smack]] the bar chart shows the you know what's achieved on each upgrade [loss of sound] um on a ber status and that's just some more technical info [slide scroll] but i suppose a critical one is estimated cost savings that the tenant would achieve when going from an f to an a3 rated dwelling um an the ber of course [slide scroll] um that's once again just a snapshot without reading through figures of versus old boiler and new boiler replacements and then obviously if we're installing a heat pump which other measures have to be employed for the heat pump to be efficient and successful [loss of sound] in heating up the home [loss of sound] [slide scroll] um and then just a snapshot overall to date uh what's been achieved under the program phase one just in excess 8000 units phase two [breath in] is obviously more time consuming and costly with the external wall insulation but we're basically knocking on the door of 9000 houses to date uh an average ber improvement was an f to a d1 with phase one and an f to a c1 with phase two [breath in] but obviously going forward we're looking at a b2 rating or better uh 77% of our houses that is upgraded under the program an estimated uh 55 point 3 million euros saved in energy bills for attendance up to the end of 2020 but it's grown year on year as it's a cumulative figure [slide scroll] uh just a couple of i suppose thank you car= cards that there are people appreciative of the program and going forward we estimate 2690 houses remain under phase or well it's not phase two anymore [screen scroll] but that phase of the program with a b2 or better target estimated costs [loss of sound] 831 million [breath in] [pause] the national retrofit budget has increased in 2022 because i suppose there is a large portion government now would have been signed into law the [anon_pr75] in 21 and we hope funding will be you know at least remain if not increased year on year [slide scroll] um it's determined by the department and at the current rate [pause] uh the timeframe would take a further 12 years however obviously it's projected increase year in year which would [loss of sound] reduce the time [loss of sound] frame thank you i appreciate the time so i just moved as quick as i could [slide scroll] 1:12:27 and and you really did fly through thanks for and the thank you cards are a really nice touch definitely thanks for including that that's really the best feedback of all there um [anon_$102] you've got your hand up uh and then [anon_$097] and then i might pop in myself 1:12:38 yeah it's it's it's not a it's not a question it's just a couple of comments is just i i this is one of the the most um of my favorite presentations that we get [anon_$104] i love to see um the work that's being done i really do and not only that um you know i i get to hear it myself from people and to see the thank you cards up there as well i have to agree with [anon_$090] it's it's it's great because yous do yous do make the difference to people's homes to people's pockets [breath in] to the environment you know this is one of the projects that you can actually see working you can actually feel the benefits of and it's just one of the um the the the things that we should be doing um i i would have absolutely agree that you know um with the funding model that you know the more the more we can get it can't it can't be cut we can't we can't go backwards on this we need to be we need to be funding it as much as we can so that we can get all of the stock [pause] that we have you know 1:13:35 [sneezes] 1:13:35 into a better a better um sorry just just a bit of um interference there sorry um into a better ber rating and and make sure that it's more the homes are more environmentally friendly and obv= obviously that you know the the cost of it as well is not is not uh tearing the pockets out of them as they say but just to say [anon_$104] well done um yous your team um the the project it deserves all the thanks because it's actually making a huge huge difference to people's lives thanks chair [pause] 1:14:06 thanks very much [anon_$102] uh i'll move onto you [anon_$097] 1:14:09 uh thank you very much chair and uh thanks [anon_$104] but that's absolutely excellent presentation uh i think it's the first time i've seen it in um in such detail the retrofitting program [breath in] uh just a couple of questions the first of all what we have produced there is in phase one 8000 houses [pause] uh have we done any flats and [pause] you know what is the total of our social commitment there in relation to the work that has to be done and sort of what sort of targets do we have are we going to try and have the whole retrofitting completed [pause] in terms of the [breath in] uh the social element or social housing by 2031 or is there a shorter period or a longer period um and then in relation to the phasing [pause] i mean if we do phase one with a developer with a house are we doing phase two on that and improving the quality of the insulation and the quality of the retrofitting and of course phase three is an even improve further so are we doing each of those phases with different units different houses or different flats or are we actually [pause] starting at phase one and then going on up to completion of phase two and i suppose finally [pause] um it's a fairly expensive item this and do what sort of commitments do we have for funding to meet our targets [tech noise] thanks [pause] 1:15:45 [tech noise] thanks [anon_$097] um [anon_$082] and then myself and then we'll go back to you i think uh [anon_$104] 1:15:53 uh thanks chairman and thanks [anon_$104] for the presentation uh it goes without saying like [anon_$102] says uh you know i mean when people get theseworks done i mean they're they're they're so grateful and i've seen some amazing work being done in [background noise] in places where they've gone from a cold house to a very cozy comfortable dwelling uh and also i i'm aware of the of the ongoing work at [anon_pl189] there you might just comment on that because i know the work stopped there for a while but the work that has gone there and uh the dwellings that have been retrofitted are just absolutely fantastic [breath in] it's just in relation to retrofitting in general and again [anon_$097] makes the point about the flats many of our flats are extremely dilapidated i know we're gonna be doing [anon_pl129] and we're going to be doing [breath in] um [anon_pl157] etc but in the meantime you know i mean because it's a retrofit what is there is there is there a way you can actually link that into universal access the population in the blocks of flats and indeed the population of the country is getting older and older uh and more and more infirm and you know the mobility issues particularly around the house and many people that i speak to uh really want their bathroom removed downstairs and so on so forth as well as the kind of retrofit to make it all very very cozy indeed so could you just [pause] comment on that and then the overall cost you know you could get a breakdown of where those costs actually come from um you know and and and and uh and and uh how much [anon_pl42] contribute to that situation um and and i mean i know there's a huge amount [pause] uh of work to be still done uh on this particular issue you know and in my opinion many of the blocks of flats that are going to be retrofitted notwithstanding the uh i suppose the architectural conservation and the architectural protection issue around them i mean they're i mean [anon_sn56] who put them together if he saw them at the present moment would want them would want them demolished and a complete rebuild so i i think there i think there's a whole load of issues in relation to that but well done on the retrofitting but could you address the issue of the universal access because all these works have to be kind of done i suppose in one fell swoop thanks [anon_$104] and thanks chairman 1:17:57 thanks [anon_$082] um [anon_$104] would you mind uh turning off your screenshare as well just while we're there so we can see each other abit easier thanks [breath in] um yeah yeah if there's no one else on pop in quickly and then we can we can go back to you and then then move on [screen share stop] i just uh definitely share the positivity and i think look looking at the increases in funding coming for it nationally i know this isn't a [anon_inst86] thing but just a small bit of my soapbox if you don't mind i think this is how how you do stuff with a carbon tax right the revenue for this comes is ringfenced and comes from a carbon tax and i think if a carbon tax by itself wo= would hit would hit the very poorest but i think if you're looking at if you take that money and then re= and then concentrate it on social housing on homes at risk of energy poverty i think you end up with a progressive system and this is exactly the sort of thing we should be doing [pause] uh i i've two questions uh for you [anon_$104] one is uh we're still installing boilers i understand it's not possible to do [pause] a retrofit to the standard where you put in a heat pump in a lot of these places but is do we have kind of an indicative period or do you think it's likely we'll be forced by national government to stop installing gas boilers at some point [pause] um because it it seems like that you know i i had to get one installed recently for that reason and i i know they they have a fairly long lifespan [breath in] um the second question is um and this is just based on my own experiences i i live in a in a in a private house which i got the solar solar panels on recently i know most of the cost for getting solar panels on for example is the labor and getting people on site getting scaffolding up and that sort of thing next door to me is a was a private house but the council bought it a few years ago um so it it just seems strange in some ways that the council is going to send someone out to do insulation works maybe do pv whatever they're going to do with with a council home but if it's part of a terrace is there any way and i i know this might be hassle but is there any way that the council could open up perhaps on a cost neutral basis to others on on on a terrace uh there's not special pleading here i've already put in my solar panels but i'm just trying to figure out is is there a way of kind of an economy of scale if you know what i mean if there's a terrace of five or six houses the council owns one or two of them is there a way of kind of getting people in to do almost like a community retrofit or a whole terrace retrofit um because i imagine that's going to be a problem particularly in areas where people have bought their own council house and thus wouldn't be eligible for a lot of this works so it it might be a way of kind of up= upscaling a whole terrace not a not i i'm not saying it would be free i'm just saying they they would cover the cost of it but it might uh make it a bit more efficient any thoughts on that would be really welcome thanks [pause] 1:20:27 um okay thanks guys i suppose high level thanks for all your support um to [anon_ $102] and [anon_$097] and [anon_$082] yourself [anon_$090] um i suppose to move on to [anon_$097] question i've scribbled down notes but as far as phase one with the flats i suppose just for clarity this program is prioritized and targeted at our houses so flats and complexes don't fall under this program um so [loss of sound] the end directive the 51% is the [anon_pr76] and this contributes towards that as far as the phasing of phase one and two goes that was once again a dire= a directive from the [anon_inst83] that you were not to progress to phase two until phase one was complete hence we had to complete just in excess 8000 un= or houses prior to progressing to phase two [pause] and as far as funding from the department goes [pause] i can't uh [laughs] like for certainty say what the future will hold but i suppose as an example last year's uh national budget was 65 million twenty of that was ringfenced ringfenced for the midlands project so in effect last year's budget was 45 million this year's has been increased 85 million um but as far as what the future holds i would hope that funding should definitely be increased given that the climate or the [loss of sound] is now signed into law which in a good way puts more onus on the the government to achieve it uh moving on to councillor [anon_$082]'s query with [anon_pl189] that isn't something that's under this program um so i'd have to look into is it city architects that's doing works there because as i said we primarily are targeting houses as oppo= as opposed to the flat complexes and with regards to costs those figures obviously are projected costs but we have hard data with actual costs against units that we upgrade so it's not a shot in the dark so to speak obviously costs do vary with you know generally economies anyway and uh covid stroke brexit does have an impact um with how that market changes in the future i can't say with certainty as far as what [anon_inst86a] contribute all i can say is with this the higher increase in grant levels it has reduced the amount that [anon_inst86a] have to contribute but we do still have to make up a percentage of the overall works um with regards to boilers [anon_$090] um [lip smack] don't quote me on it but i think from 2025 there is [breath in] a directive that no new bar no boilers um can be installed on new builds um i have to double check as far as is that in place at present for retrofitting boilers if it's not it is some that's not something that's going to happen overnight but the ultimate i suppose target nationally is by 2050 we're carbon neutral which in effect nobody means no one has a boiler if we achieve that we'll see but that's what the directive is towards and with regards to a combination of private and um [lip smack] social housing yeah of course we have uh blocks where you might have 10 houses and four of them are ourselves and six might be private in short there is no join up as in if you're a council tenant you'll hopefully receive the upgrade works under this program next door if you're private you need to apply to [anon_inst185] for the grant limits that are available what we do try and endeavor to do is while we have contractors in the area and it has happened if there is an interest from a private tenants you know they're quite you know we invite them to talk to the contractors if they wish to engage them directly on a private basis and achieve their grant funding from [anon_inst185] directly but at [loss of sound] present there's no formal agreement that would see a private and a public tenant upgraded under the same program um i think that's it but if there's any further queries so i know there's time and everything so i'm quite happy to respond to any queries at a later date or via email or councillor questions etc thank you no that's dead sound really informative and uplifting as ever [anon_$104] thanks really appreciate it sure thanks guys 1:25:29 thank you 1:25:29 thank you very much cheers [pause] 1:25:30 [paper shuffling] okay everyone uh i i know a couple of people have said they have to go so in the interest of time we'll keep motoring on and i appreciate everyone keeping their questions short um we've got two more items on the agenda we've got item nine which is the [anon_pr75] update and then we've got item 11 which is the [anon_pr77] [anon_pr78] um i i think we'll go to item nine first if [anon_$105]'s here 1:25:55 i'm just gonna give that chair 1:25:57 oh you're doing that [anon_$106] ah fair enough okay great [pause] thanks [anon_$106] [sniffles] [screen share start] we can see that there now that's great 1:26:07 [pause] uh so yeah i'll just give you a quick run through of [pause] [slide change] okay sorry uh so i'll just give you a quick uh overview i suppose of where we're at we're obviously at the end of uh q4 we're collating all of the updates from the relevant departments uh the work with the development plan is ongoing and [anon_$040] gave ye the update earlier in terms of where we're at in terms of those milestones and the public consultation process and we continue obviously to to look at eu funding applications uh across the course of the year [slide change] uh just in relation to the challenges ahead i suppose the cap is obviously published we're examining that and we're seeing the implications for us as local authorities it's across a number of chapters and we're trying to embed that in all of the actions that we have ongoing every year at the start of the year we sit down with each one of the relevant uh departments that are delivering i suppose the actions and we try upgrade those and ensure that they are compliant with all the relevant legislation and we're meeting all of our appropriate targets so that's one area in terms of the decarbonization zones uh we're working towards i suppose putting together a mechanism where we can identify what we can actually achieve under each decarbonisation zone the pieces that are within our control identifying the relevant uh stakeholders so we have a template approach so we can apply it across multiple areas and then analyze those uh areas against each other and we're waiting on a significant amount of i suppose guidance as well uh from the department and we're we believe that that will be forthcoming in the next uh month or two uh i suppose the key challenge with that is always going to be just transition and i think we've touched on it there just with [anon_$104]'s uh presentation as well of how important it is that uh the people who are most affected have the opportunity as well uh in terms of data uh the challenge that we always have i suppose is is collating the data and making sure that we can quantify all of the work we're doing and we're looking at that across a number of areas of what's the best approach and we're doing a bit of work with [anon_inst184] [anon_pl130]'s office and the department and adaptation and suppose it's recognizing the adaptation process that we're all implementing across the plan and quantifying those [slide change] uh just in terms of engagement uh we obviously have uh a [pause] significant engagement programme with the third level institutions and across the course of last year we saw a lot of benefit in projects that they were engaged in and we're trying to i suppose consolidate that approach put it into a more structured and formal basis so that we take those opportunities of identifying projects within the departments and uh getting that additional resource that's coming from uh the third level sector uh in terms of engagement with the communities we obviously have the [anon_pr79] uh funding which is through the arts office and [anon_$073] is progressing that we're monitoring to see how that is going given the amount of community involvement in structuring that um project itself we have the campaigners uh project the [anon_pr80] which we're seeing that they're developing the app to influence and change lifestyle challenges so that's ongoing and we're expecting probably in the next six months to see uh a draft of that we also have our food strategy which is out currently and it's due to be it's clo= the closing date i suppose in terms of people completing that survey is the 14th of february and then we're obviously looking at uh [anon_ev29] again for this year you know it was quite successful last year and it's integrating the lessons that we're learning i suppose from the food strategy back into that [breath in] and our international engagement we have the [anon_inst186] we've started that engagement process we focused initially i suppose in the transport sector uh we've made a presentation to them of i suppose our approach and engagement and we have the corresponding meeting this week where we're going to see you know how they're tackling that transportation issue and sustainability [pause] [slide change] that's a quick synopsis i suppose of the work that's ongoing and the things that are planned for the year ahead [screen share stop] thanks very much [anon_$106] [pause] that's a really useful update one of the regulars ones we get uh really appreciate it [pause] uh any questions there folks or are we happy enough 1:30:18 just if i may chair chairperson+ 1:30:19 =yeah sure sure 1:30:20 +i'm sorry i didn't put my hand there my apologies yeah [coughs] excuse me i you know time and time again i've raised this issue you know within our own organization [anon_inst86] uh you know bearing in mind the social housing aspects that we have and the many many tenants that we have and the many estates that we have and i would love to see you know maybe a presentation given as to what actions we are really impacting on the community i know [anon_$073] is putting the creative process together and [anon_pr79] and it's all it's all great um you know and with all due respects i'm in a block of flats my family are in a block of flats my tenants are in blocks my my my constituency in blocks of flats [pause] that that you know are coming down uh you know for the for the want of a proper waste management plan uh a proper recylcing plan no infrastructure can be blocks of flats and [anon_pl131] there's not one place to park a bike the place is chock a block you know what i mean so if we are really serious you know what i mean and i believe we are about climate change and and putting in actions surely you know you know the quick wins are within our own estates in the way we deal with the waste where we actually deal with you know our habits where we deal with the cars and where we actually try and encourage the children to actually cycle by putting in sa= safe cycling and you know good infrastructure secure infrastructure but i i'm yet to see a a single plan where [anon_inst86] in its own estate of its own estate has a coherent plan to be able to impact measures right across the city and i say chairman i would invite you to come to [anon_pl131] [anon_pl163] you what i mean or uh uh ![unclear]/! gardens [anon_pl164] and see what people have to face on a daily basis by the way way of rubbish i mean putting a picket fence around the rubbish and the the the the waste it's just not good enough the stairwells [pause] are filthy the the area is is it's not a good place to live chairperson and i would ask with all due respects [anon_pl131] you know and and my colleagues in [anon_inst86] and yourself chairman that we try and put together a coherent plan of action for our blocks of flats and for our our estates irrespective of the retrofitting that's going to take 15 years in [anon_pl132] but there are quick wins here you know what i mean and again words and terms like you know climate justice you know what i mean and you know [laughs] equality don't apply to the poor don't apply to the working class don't apply to those people who are you know marginalized in these estates and [anon_inst86] is their landlord and this is what we're charged to do and as i say i i i would love to see some emphasis you know in in in the next while on how we actually are im= improving that situation thank thank you chairman thank you councillor yeah we'll we'll go to [anon_$101] quickly and then on to [anon_$092] [tech noise] 1:30:20 oh hi there um thanks a lot [anon_$106] um just in terms of the community engagement so uh carrying on really the same theme as [anon_$082] was just describing there um what are the key goals of those projects you listed [anon_pr79] the campaigners [anon_ev30] [anon_ev29] um what are the goals in relation to the [anon_pr75] 2021 and what are the kpis so that we can measure any success what what are we looking to achieve in [anon_pl42] uh with that um community engagement and how do we know that we've achieved it thanks 1:33:47 thanks [anon_$101] uh [anon_$092] and then quickly back to uh [anon_$106] 1:33:50 thanks very much chair councillor uh chair um just in relation to [anon_$082] next query in relation to it [anon_$106] doesn't have any exposure to the waste uh management in terms of the uh uh housing development so [anon_$106] wouldn't be in a position to answer that question uh i suppose [phone beeps] probably a council question would probably be the logical way that uh the councillor could um receive answers from that because he's asked questions apart from his general non [anon_inst86] um uh views uh in relation to [anon_inst167] in relation to housing and in relation to waste so if he wants to submit specific questions we can certainly come back with specific answers but the majority of his questions relate to business outside the [anon_inst91] [pause] 1:34:27 okay thanks very much [anon_$106] uh do you want to pop back in in particular on the on the question there from [anon_$101] 1:34:33 yeah ![unclear]/! uh i suppose the [anon_$101] the kpis are similar to what we have on our own climate change action plan and it's that uh kpis in relation to energy reduction and then reduction in emissions and that's [pause] what we're monitoring i suppose when we're implementing these and seeing how they're actually being achieved when it's [pause] community driven and obviously people have bought into it it's energy and emissions [pause] 1:34:59 okay 1:35:00 thanks 1:35:00 okay you got that [anon_$101] thanks very much go raigh maith agut 1:35:02 yeah with all due respects chairman i disagree with [anon_$090] you know what i mean this is the actual proper forum forum this is a meeting of [anon_inst86] 1:35:09 uh 1:35:10 and this is about community you know what i mean 1:35:12 abso= no i 1:35:12 i'm quite entitled and i'm quite entitled to be asking those questions and i'm a very aware after you put a question to [anon_inst86] 1:35:18 absolutely 1:35:19 so i mean with all due respects [anon_$092] you know what i mean do not you know what i mean treat me in that fashion ever again if you wouldn't mind 1:35:25 counc= councillor ju= ju= 1:35:26 thank you very much indeed 1:35:27 thank you councillor just just just to be clear i i think what [anon_$092] doing there is is just ma=standing up for a staff member there who is not in a position to answer+ 1:35:34 =i'm not attacking staff member chairman with all due respect 1:35:36 +oh i'm not and i'm not saying 1:35:36 someone asking a question and he is not entitled to treat me in that fashion+ 1:35:40 =no [anon_$082] 1:35:40 +okay so let's just leave it at that before it gets gets out of control+ 1:35:43 fair enough that's grand that's grand um okay um i think that's it then [anon_$106] uh thank you very much for coming in and uh we're going to move on to the final item on the agenda then if that's okay 1:35:55 thanks [anon_$106] 1:35:56 thanks very much [breath in] and uh [pause] it is a report for noting which is the waste impor= enforcement lead authorities um i don't know who is doing this uh report actually uh [pause] are they here or is it simply for noting i do have a question on it 1:36:12 it's for noting chairman 1:36:14 yeah 1:36:15 yeah um chair um uh [anon_$107] from waste management will answer any questions 1:36:21 great okay 1:36:22 on the yeah 1:36:23 thanks [anon_$107] um [anon_$108] any more+ 1:36:24 +yeah chair you have a question yeah 1:36:26 yeah i do yeah i was just wondering if if this is this [pause] [breath in] is the appro= so just for context the area i cover is southwestern inner city nearly half the people live in apartments or flats of some sort and um or multi unit developments i suppose would be the question what would it be yourselves would it be do do you know who is the correct [pause] body because i've never been able to figure this out to go to if um a private development is not offering waste segregation be that brown bin or green bin in um an apartment building 1:36:56 that'd be ourselves uh but not to do with the [anon_pr77] 1:36:59 okay 1:36:59 uh that would be [anon_inst86] waste enforcement but i [pause] have responsibility for that area as well 1:37:05 okay 1:37:06 so if you have complaints about that give me a shout by all means 1:37:09 yeah i look forward to bothering you soon then fair enough 1:37:11 okay 1:37:12 thanks very much 1:37:12 this is a regional forum 1:37:14 yes 1:37:14 as far as i'm aware of 1:37:16 i get you 1:37:16 yeah anything like that locally certainly get onto me 1:37:19 cool i have to confess i read the executive summary i i didn't get below 1:37:24 [laughs] okay 1:37:25 but ah any particular highlights you'd like to flag that you think would be useful or require council support 1:37:30 i would like i just think it's it's for noting for the staff in waste enforcement throughout the the country and within our region and driven by us as a lead authority that throughout the pandemic and 2020 we were a an essential service and um managed to keep that service going with some notable kind of um i suppose success stories in trying to deal with illegal operators so it's just really for for your information 1:37:55 fair enough 1:37:56 and um if there's further information wanted or requested or you'd like anything further to let me know 1:38:02 thanks very much [anon_$107] and it's uh [anon_$109] has her hand up [breath in] now as well [anon_$109] [pause] 1:38:11 trying to unmute myself thanks uh thanks for the report i just have a quick question in relation to um food waste separation enforcement within our uh hospitality industry um in particular those within our remit+ 1:38:29 =yeah 1:38:30 +as in cafes in parks um because i see it even in our own parks in my area where there's no actual food waste separation happening and we're blatantly in breach of um long standing eu directives um and i'm just wondering what you know what's happening around uh that particular piece of enforcement thank you 1:38:53 [coughs] [pause] i'll take that yeah um there should be food waste at any uh public gathering like that and as part of the application process for um that would go into c and e department um there should be a food waste uh uh program a waste uh plan programme [tech noise] so um in the normal course of events we would be inspecting those however during 2020 obviously with the which the report deals with uh there were few of any of those events taking place when we would periodically um or on request inspect any such uh such act= activities 1:39:31 thanks [anon_$107] and if 1:39:33 okay 1:39:33 like um do you do that with all the like does that happen in the city regularly with restaurants and if we have [pause] a particular complaint about somewhere co= is it you that we email or+ 1:39:46 =yeah yeah 1:39:46 +and and um you know just to say like it's it's really inspiring actually to see the level of very quick compliance with the directive that came into effect last july around um kitchenware+ 1:39:59 =yeah 1:40:00 um and uh but yet [pause] we're still not providing the right mechanisms you know everybody's investing in this compostable coffee cups and stirrers and that kind of thing and yet we're not insisting that the right infrastructure is in place to actually allow those to be treated in the correct manner both in our public waste system but also in those um establishments that are complying with one directive and then ignoring another one 1:40:30 yeah i i agree um and each business is obligated to provide such service um we didn't i suppose concentrate on businesses during the pandemic um we will again now but we did have to acknowledge during that 2020 and into 2021 that um businesses were trying hard just to survive [pause] um and we i suppose set our concentration on our resources in uh illegal dumping and illegal collections etc+ 1:41:03 =yeah and look 1:41:04 but we are obligated to and uh yeah we deal with complaints by all means any complaints about particular [pause] establishments uh send them into us 1:41:11 okay great thanks i uh it's just like in terms of you know where we're at at a national level and all the legislation that's coming through you know around circular economies and that i just i i [pause] i worry that we're not equipped to ensure [pause] that we have effective compliance across the board but look we can pick that up another day [anon_$107] yeah thank you 1:41:34 thanks very much we've got one more question from uh [anon_$042] go ahead there [anon_$042] 1:41:39 go raibh math agut cathoirleach um [clears throat] it's a question that i asked [anon_$078] um i'd say at this stage it's two and a half years ago um and it's a follow on from what councillor [anon_$109] just mentioned thereum is it the case that [pause] the waste that we put into our our compostable bins so the brown bin i suppose isn't that the one we call it [pause] is it the case that the plastic compostable bags we put into line those bins and the plastic bags that we put into our little bins on our countertops is it the case that they're pulled out of the waste that goes into the brown bin because they don't compost at the same rate [pause] as the matter that's in them [pause] it is my understanding that that is the case 1:42:30 [cough] 1:42:31 um and i just i'm concerned that we put so much emphasis on compostable cups people think they're great buying compostable cups [pause] but we don't seem to have the infrastructure to deal with the compostable cups so why are we making a fool out of ourselves and a fool out of people thinking that buying um these compostable bags in super valu and the [anon_inst93] giving us compostable bags to fill up with leaves when we know for a fact that they don't compost at the same rate [pause] as the organic matter that's inserted into them so why are we doing this thank you very much chair 1:43:10 thanks councillor um [anon_$074] is that an old hand or is that a new one 1:43:13 no no it it's a new one i can come in after 1:43:16 uh if you wouldn't mind just popping in now and then then we'll go back and and finish 1:43:20 yeah it wa= it was more just a comment to to say that um when this [anon_inst91] was first formed and we did our tour we were supposed to do a tour of [anon_inst235] waste facilities or one of the waste facilities um and i think it would be really helpful if now that restrictions have eased that we might look at doing that again and this and to maybe include [pause] a visit to the compost facility as well [anon_$042] because that might answer+ 1:43:24 =a great suggestion 1:43:40 +some of your suggestion you can see the processes very clearly 1:43:48 great suggestion 1:43:49 that's a great call it'd be nice to get the gang on the road again [pause] that was nice 1:43:52 and i'd love to be invited to that chair 1:43:54 you'd be very welcome absolutely 1:43:54 i have i have a particular interest thank you very much 1:43:57 i'll get you a vip pass 1:43:59 thank you very much councillor [anon_$082] 1:44:01 the the glamour of council life i tell you folks um uh [anon_$107] do you have anything you want want want to comment on particularly on the compost 1:44:08 yeah there's probably uh councillor [anon_$042]'s uh comment and i take it on board um and yeah an assignment a couple of years back i suppose the two different elements to it if there's um collections by [pause] say the brown bin that they go to uh a particular facility and segregation would take part in that but if you're looking at compostable say cups that are um sold from cafes takeaways uh and you look at our infrastructure on the streets that's all mixed and [tech noise] that doesn't get segregated so there are different components within the the the entire i suppose supply chain um but yeah definitely the suggestion at the end [tech noise] to reintroduce um uh visits to the various facilities uh the department has facilitated that previously and i'm sure will do again [pause] 1:44:56 deadly all right [pause] well on on on that note uh of of a promise of a future road trip hopefully uh we might finish up the [anon_inst91] and and leave ye off there [anon_$107] as well so [pause] 1:45:06 thanks very much chair 1:45:07 unless there's any other business i i think we probably just uh [anon_$091] do we have a meeting date for the next one it's always this time around [pause] you're on mute there [anon_$091] 1:45:17 yeah just give me a second it's the 30th isn't it [tech noise] [pause] 1:45:29 30th of march would be a wednesday 1:45:32 yeah that's fine 30th of march 1:45:35 30th of march and a reminder we agreed the time of uh half three 1:45:40 half three yeah 1:45:41 going forward so uh okay i've got uh [anon_$101] you've got your hand up there yeah 1:45:45 yeah a very quick question um can we have an update on the training um i think it was the december [anon_inst91] meeting um [anon_$092] you'd said that the climate change training that all the um councillors of the [anon_inst91]s would receive it would be+ 1:46:02 =yeah 1:46:03 +for it would be for all [anon_inst91] members from memory i think that was scheduled for february is there an update on that 1:46:10 yeah 1:46:10 thanks 1:46:12 chair could i ask uh for a for a 1:46:14 sorry i might just get [pause] [anon_$92] first if that's okay and then we'll come back 1:46:17 yeah yeah no problem sure 1:46:18 thanks very much 1:46:18 thanks very much chair yes [anon_$101] um [anon_$106] don't know if you can share your screen in relation to that um the council members would have been circulated with this recently uh we checked with just before the meeting and has been sent out to councillors uh by corporate i don't know when you would have gotten it uh but for the non council members it would be news in relation to it the training is beginning in uh february [anon_$091] i don't know if you can share that in terms of the dates 1:46:42 uh uh can't now ![unclear]! 1:46:44 no problem you're grand i don't have the exact dates but the councillors here would have gotten them before uh [anon_$101] we had uh brought it [cough] we brought it to corporate and we got the executive backing before uh where it was brought to [anon_inst187] and my understanding is it was agreed at [anon_inst187] we've asked for a copy of the minutes from the [anon_inst187] uh to confirm that that's the case but uh as we're booking councillors in relation to this will be also extending it my information is m= my firm belief is that we'll be extending it to the non uh elected representative members of the [anon_inst91] as well i was told verbally that it was agreed that the [anon_inst187] just have to get a [anon_inst187] sorry so therefore um we're just waiting on that confirmation but it is confirmation 1:47:21 i i don't think that was explicitly raised at the at the [anon_inst187] now that i think of it but i i may have missed that but um let's let's see i i don't think anyone would have a problem with that for sure 1:47:29 no that's it yeah 1:47:30 so and and once or twice if we do have an issue if they come back to you and say it has to be agreed at the next meeting the [anon_inst187] has agreed matters by email before 1:47:38 yeah 1:47:38 with confirmation so that's an option if there's any [tech noise] further delay there uh [anon_$082]+ 1:47:43 +just to clarify what what happens next for myself and for [anon_$110] and [anon_$100] and all the other [anon_inst91] members who are in in terms of training [pause] what what will happen how will we be notified 1:47:55 well as soon as we get confirmation from the [anon_inst187] that's what we do we refer to it in terms of the minute you know that either that it's it it once we have formal approval in relation to it we'll extend the invitation to yourselves we're just waiting on that formal approval before we can do it 1:48:08 okay and we'll we'll be we'll be receiving that before the next [anon_inst91] meeting in march i i assume because 1:48:13 yes it it's beginning to roll out at some date in february i just can't see it on the screen 1:48:18 it won't come up for me sorry [anon_$092] 1:48:22 you're grand it's about the 24th [anon_$91] is it 1:48:24 it's the uh [pause] hang on now 1:48:27 some date at around that time yeah it begins so it'll obviously take a little bit of time [anon_$101] to get through the numbers of people we have in [anon_ inst86] 1:48:33 so we're not doing it all at once then okay 1:48:35 it's not it's not one training course+ 1:48:37 =25th sorry [anon_$092] it's the 25th of february 1:48:39 +25th yeah so i i don't know how many people would be eligible in [anon_pl42] i'm imagining about 700 you know so obviously it'll take you know time to do it it's about it's about three and a half hours per session uh say 15 people per session somebody doing pass maths 20 days four weeks that'd probably be about the timeframe i think 1:48:58 i'm just i'm just thinking in terms of the smooth operation of the [anon_inst91] it's not helpful if we have half of our members have received the training 1:49:07 yeah 1:49:07 and are talking the jargon and the other half haven't you know it's it's going to make our our job difficult 1:49:12 okay 1:49:13 so we should be doing it at a similar in its similar timeframe to each other 1:49:16 you you you've made the point we we've raised it [anon_$101] and we'll try and get a response to you um 1:49:20 okay 1:49:21 once once it's confirmed okay uh 1:49:22 okay 1:49:23 [anon_$092] if you're having difficulties with [anon_inst187] stuff please do let me know um [anon_$082] [pause] and then [anon_$100] 1:49:27 uh how you doing tha= thanks chairman this is on any other business could i a= ask for a report on how we're actually dealing and coping with discarded ppe uh masks and stuff there's a huge amount of masks being dumped on the ground when you add that to the dog dirt bags that are dumped out but the actual masks you know what i mean we were all wearing more or less are being discarded literally all over the place and you know they are a hazard in in in many respects because of the potential for contamination but they're on the street they're on they're literally dumped everywhere uh and they're blocking up gullies so i wonder could we get a report as to 1:50:05 [cough] 1:50:05 how we are coping with that added litter and that added waste and and and how we actually go are going to deal with it into the future thank you 1:50:13 thanks yeah uh [anon_$092] 1:50:15 uh thanks very much chair yeah uh [anon_$082] i'd agree with you in relation to that essentially it's general waste it's not recyclable it's not compostable it's not in any way it's treated as medical waste largely obviously the 1:50:26 yeah 1:50:26 medical waste coming out of specialist facilities is going for incineration because there's a requirement for that but what we pick up in the street is considered litter so that's all uh 1:50:34 mm 1:50:34 brown black binned if you want to call it that and uh 1:50:36 okay 1:50:36 it's destroyed in in that regard so that's a standard kind of uh procedure in relation to it in time to come then in relation to the um in relation to the segregated bins that we're increasingly rolling out uh we they would still remain in the black bin at that stage they're possibly 1:50:53 okay thanks 1:50:54 potentially recycled but not when they're used yeah thanks 1:50:56 but there's no there's no plan for the future for them you know in terms of how we will dispose of that particular waste i mean we are separating our waste in terms of food plastics etc [breath in] there doesn't seem to be a directive to the for the public to dispose of this medical uh uh uh you know doc= m= medical uh apply uh product in any way and and i'm just concerned about it you know what i mean 1:50:56 yeah no it it it is a fair thing because i'm sure there's sto= there's stocks in households now of previously used masks and i suppose probably we can try to get something out on social media in relation to that to ensure that they're going into the black bin 1:51:29 yeah thank you 1:51:30 thank you thanks very much uh [anon_$100] and then [anon_$103] 1:51:32 hiya uh thanks very much um chair and everybody uh for putting up with me i think uh [anon_$101] there maybe have i'm not taking it too personally but i'm just going to raise something in the last meeting the one of the city council engineers senior engineer did uh gave us a presentation about the changes made mainly because of covid on [anon_pl102] and so on with um uh allowing people um [pause] develop outside onto the pavement and so on and also uh the ci= the the the increased number of cycle routes well the= these developments are very positive in and she was you know very positive in her presentation but there are downsides and i've suffered from them they are extremely hazardous to cyclists like if you try and cycle down [anon_pl102] now there are real structures there at kind of [pause] head level you know stuff sticking out into the road if you were to hit it at speed or a car was to push you onto it it would be quite dangerous and it's narrowed these sort of effective roadway for the cyclists there and there where they have put in a cycleway dedicated cycle way they're using these little bollards which the street sweepers cannot get inside they're too narrow so they are full of debris i have a photograph i can show you [tech noise] it is disgraceful and i have lost several tyres to this already and it's only just happening so they either have to invest in the smallest street scraper or send a man round with a brush but it's not um i= i= it's a downside of what are otherwise very positive things 1:53:04 thanks [anon_$100] 1:53:04 we didn't get a chance to uh raise it at all and i actually some of this has happened to me since uh she made the presentation but uh surely we have to conduit this stuff back to them before something worse happens 1:53:15 i i i think to yeah i i understand and agree i've raised some of the si= similar issues um there is just two things one i think it that that will all be covered functionally by the transport group rather than than ourselves unfortunately i know they have bought um uh a cleaner that fits in the smaller lanes um the other thing is that uh 2022 they've announced is going to be a year where they're looking at a lot of those schemes which are installed temporarily by plastic bollards and looking to move them into something a bit better more aesthetically pleasing but also hopefully a bit uh a bit a bit safer and better on that front as well um but uh if it's okay i don't want to open up a full conversation on on bike lanes here just cos none of the staff here can uh effectively co+ 1:53:56 no i know and i'm a bit like [anon_$082] saying well we're we're either dealing with this stuff or we're just sitting listening in a passive way you know like i i think we need to feed back as well you know if there is a proper way of doing that thanks very much 1:54:07 sure thing i i'll i'll email you in a few minutes [anon_$100] with the [pause] the relevant head of tran= who covers the transport stuff for that and that might be a good person to email in in your capacity as an [anon_inst91] member if that's useful uh 1:54:19 thanks very much thanks 1:54:21 thanks uh is that is that all from everyone that's that's a fair amount of any other business so i'd be keen to finish up 1:54:27 thanks thanks very much thanks very much chairman thanks very much for doing it 1:54:30 great thanks thanks [anon_$082] 1:54:31 thank you very much indeed chairman 1:54:33 thanks chair 1:54:35 bye bye bye 1:54:36 thanks a lot merry january everyone 1:55:40 [laughs] 1:55:40 [laughs] 1:55:40 [pause] [anon_$092] are you still there [anon_$092] can you hear me [two transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 okay 0:00 i was the first to go um i'm not sure why but i was the first to go in that meeting 0:06 ![unclear]/! yeah 0:06 i guess you were ![unclear]/! staff meeting [anon_$113] thanks for getting the livestream going um just send me the link afterwards and i'll edit it and put it in meeting notes etcetera 0:17 okay 0:17 and also um wanna welcome uh [anon_$115] today who's my uh director shadow um and is a student at [anon_inst188] [pause] 0:26 [nods] thanks for ![unclear]/! 0:30 cool and small thing ![unclear]/! [anon_$115] i noticed in your view it still says interim on your title on zoom you might want to change that [pause] 0:30 i'm still interim that's why 0:43 oh you're still interim okay 0:45 ![unclear]/! um the system works [pause] 0:48 the um so it looks like uh [anon_$116] you have the first items 0:53 yeah so regarding new hires and anniversaries um i've been hiring for two senior front end roles one for threat insights one for security policies uh [pause] we are we filled the security policies it's [anon_fn102] [anon_sn51] i've linked off to his linkedin profile he is located outside of [anon_pl144] starting on january 23 and he's going to be reporting to [anon_$115] you know because obviously [anon_$115] has taken over that team as of late so that's amazing i've already apologized for hiring somebody um under his [laughs] you know guidance but he also appreciates the the work involved uh we also have the threat insights position uh we are on like the final steps uh i'm hoping to be able to share news later this week about that and that'll have a similar start date anticipated [pause] cool [anon_$113] you're up next 1:41 uh on uh on the same vein we've got two new starters we've got [anon_$117] who a lot of you will know and he tends to watch these uh these videos so hi [anon_$117] and and [anon_$118] who's uh in [anon_pl145] uh i'm very excited to get to get these two people in and for the americans it's pronounced melbourne not melbourne 2:03 i don't couldn't even tell you what i said but thank you 2:07 [laugh] you're welcome 2:08 melbourne 2:08 [laugh] melbourne [pause] 2:13 cool that's great news in uh new starts one of our big goals expand the team uh in celebrations i've got uh a couple of them here um so the ai assist proof of concept demo was um [pause] put out there in public so great work by the incubation engineering team and the ai assist the ai assisted team uh so [anon_$119]'s team congratulations [anon_$119] to you and your team and to the ![unclear]/! on incubation engineering yay 2:45 ![unclear]/! yeah 2:46 it's neat got the link there 2:47 ![unclear]/! 2:48 it also= 2:48 it is internal dogfooding so we'd love feedback [laugh] [pause] so anyone using the [anon_inst189] vs code extension can uh uh can basically use it [pause] 3:04 cool yep and you can see how to use it by uh [pause] by uh watching the uh short video so also um i know i'm a little bit late to celebrate fifteen six it was released while i was out of the office but it was still really neat to see all the great work by secure data science and governed teams the features included [anon_inst189a] abuse rate limiting to notify administrators when a user downloads more than x repositories in y time period on demand api security scans scheduled dependency scans and the ability to manage scan results at both the uh group and subgroup levels noting that automatic revocation of leaked personal access tokens pats is coming soon we're internally dog fooding it so all sorts of fun stuff out great stuff out there um and it was fun to brag about them on social media too so thanks everyone [pause] 3:14 i got the next item but just piggybacking on on [anon_$112] one of the features that came out was the the ability to uh verify commit signatures using ssh keys uh [anon_fn103] in threat insights contributed to that feature in in code source and he got a discretionary bonus for that and that was really good uh and and this happened a while ago i didn't announce it but we have two new maintainers in succession uh [anon_fn104] is the backend maintainer now for [anon_inst189] and [anon_fn105] is a maintainer for database [pause] 4:34 um that's great i'm i'm just going to uh signal boost uh ![you know]/! we have a maintainership working group um and [anon_fn106]'s leading that and we are still looking for more maintainers i think at last count they're looking for about four back end maintainers um a trainee database maintainer if anyone's interested uh and of course we're we're looking for maintainers for other projects and across front end as well um i said i would track that for [anon_$112] in q4 so if anyone in your teams uh is interested or you feel should become a maintainer uh reach out to me let me know i i'll happily work with you to see if we can make that happen [pause] 5:17 good stuff so in news and events [pause] so i als= noted a number of ![unclear]/! of secure governance and data science work in this week's earnings call so uh that was interesting and there's a unofficial transcript of that here so you can search for what you're working on and you may see [anon_fn107] or [anon_fn103] uh mentioning it it's kind of neat either in prepared comments and or when question answers to questions from analysts [pause] somebody want to verbalize uh [anon_fn108]'s comment [pause] 5:49 yeah i'm i'm happy to do that um [anon_fn108] is announcing that they they've made some changes to the model upstage uh renaming applied ml group to now be ai assisted and they've also added a new category to ai assisted called code suggestions which is the maturation of the ai assist poc sig into a product category wow that's a mouthful [laugh] huh you'll have to ask [anon_$119] what all that's about if you have any questions [pause] 6:45 what's all that about [anon_$119] 6:19 um [pause] lot of name changes but i hope this is the final one [laugh] um so what i understand is applied ml did not make much sense um and so as a group the name as ai assisted makes a lot more sense um and so and and code suggestions actually says what what it's supposed to do so so then it's a lot more easy but yep [pause] 6:57 ![unclear]/! big rocks and hot issues uh wanted to repeat this it was i think [anon_fn109] [anon_sn52] put this in a couple of different slack channels part of the reason for doing this is because people wanted more context i know [anon_$116] for example you mentioned that teams working on [anon_pr81] are getting a little burned out because they've been doing it for a while and they kind of lost sight of the why we were doing it so it wasn't just you and people on my team it was others as well so [anon_fn109] put together this great video [pause] and recorded presentation about the why on the [anon_pr81] uh he's available for questions suggesting people watch the video and etc so overall um good stuff there and thanks thanks for bringing that up [anon_$116] in the past has good good great feedback that's not the only reason that [anon_fn109] did this but it's it's one of the reasons 7:42 oh i appreciate that [anon_$112] yeah it's really cool and i've uh passed this along to the team [pause] uh notably it doesn't include things that are in the enterprise code base just uh it's an alphabetical thing there's a ![unclear]/! you can learn more about that but our team specifically [anon_fn110] [anon_sn53] um has helped actually reconcile and get that list of the locations so our team and [anon_fn110] are going to be looking at uh ways to approach that and help facilitate this okr so you can find that within my okr list if you're new to the issue but yeah thank you 8:13 i've i've put a list of i'm i'm tracking uh the engineers across ![unclear]/! growth i'm i've added a list in here these are the issues that are assigned to our engineers and as we close them off um we'll complete that if there uh if anyone needs any help with that or wants me to track um additional teams i'm more than happy to do that across q4 as well just reach out [pause] uh [sigh] so i think i have the the next item um so [anon_fn111] has an issue he'll he's going to mention our engineering managers it's a sort of a continuation of the best in class conversations but this time he's wanting engineering managers to lead the conversation and actually reach out to the pms um and uh ask you know what is it that we should be getting ready to do um if not already working on in q4 what should we be getting ready to work on in q1 um we're we're just approaching this from multiple angles a lot of the times our pms will already be doing this our engineering managers and product managers are already having these conversations [anon_fn111]'s just asking our ems to actually lead that conversation so we can be clear across development on what we need to be ready to work on in q1 um there's a few uh uh links i've shared there and in the doc um [pause] [anon_$120] you had a question or a comment [pause] 9:39 yeah just around the doc we um from the compliance perspective we felt that it didn't quite match up so we had already started that discussion with the pm and compliance space to look at that best in class and work out what exactly that means for us and our group but yep just for reference for everyone else 9:58 yeah brilliant and i think that's why [anon_fn111]'s asking now it's just to make sure that we're all aligned on what we're um looking at doing uh [anon_$116] you have an okr to look at you know what what we can get ready for and do in q1 so you're already you're already working on this um [anon_$113] you have uh an issue to okr around unblocking big features um it's more if the conversation changes are there other things we need to do to unblock any new features that we're talking about so that's the sort of thing that [anon_fn111] is looking for here [pause] 10:28 ![unclear]/! in the hallway anyone check out the uh open ai chat bot it's equally amazing and scary i for example i took a um i didn't put it in the notes here uh and i respond to um on the [anon_inst189] forum uh a couple different topics one that [anon_$113] reminded me of related to uh some questions about credit card controls and that we use for preventing uh crypto mining i thought i'm going to just take that person's question and put it in chat ai and see how if the answer it comes up with is better is accurate and if so is it better than i wrote it was better than what i wrote um so uh and i've done a couple of other things and it got it came up with really great answers that were absolutely wrong but really well put together at least in my opinion on other topics but what about it i don't know if anybody else has checked it out but um looks like [anon_$120] you have thought about it at least 10:28 yeah i found uh a chrome plugin that actually when you do a google search it adds the chat gtp gpt response on the right hand side so you can compare what google one that comes up with um it's really quite amazing what it what it comes up with interested to see if i can match it up with ai assist as well and get some easy coding anyway um but i did see that [anon_inst190] have blocked it for now because of its as you mentioned [anon_$112] the [pause] well written 12:11 oh they blocked it 12:12 ![unclear]/! 12:13 and how did they cos you can just copy and paste things in there how did they block it i'm curious 12:18 i've linked to their uh um to their post about it but um yeah 12:23 i mean ![unclear]/ ![wrong answers]/! in [anon_inst190] just your average contributor it's mostly what people rage about [laugh] it this is wrong this is big flame war 12:34 the best way to get someone to answer a question on the internet is to post the wrong answer 12:38 that's it i think i think it's discriminating against ai just let them post the wrong somebody will come in and correct it [pause] 12:44 [laughs] 12:49 anybody else checked out or have any impressions of it [pause] 12:54 it was uh it was a little laggy today uh i think they're getting a lot more hype i was definitely trying to play with it to see [pause] kind of what the boundaries are on it um [pause] it's definitely made sparked some interest like using that and [anon_inst191] i'm wondering how efficient engineering managers can be uh uh you know jumping back into the code a little easier so i'm curious to play with the combination of the two 13:21 i saw um [pause] some examples of answers from the handbook they were pretty good and somebody also shared uh uh the the text of somebody who who taught it to interpret ba= uh shell scripts that one was quite impressive 13:43 you know what's going to happen now is somebody's gonna um do a tiktok video with all of us being fired by chat gp instead of by elon we'll see+ 13:51 =you're the first one right ![unclear]/! 13:52 no that's not an invitation to the person who created that video um 13:55 this time you'll be the first one because the the answer was better right [pause] 13:59 [breath in] oh um yeah for for me we we've been looking just at the back end how the models have been built [laugh] so really just looking into that for uh code suggestion and it is um there are just a lot of them that have uh finer details that are so important and so different just the way they use reinforcement learning uh which is uh really cool yeah [pause] 14:31 interesting [pause] [anon_$111] i moved a couple of your topics up to the from read only to discussion uh cos i thought maybe it'd be good to discuss 14:42 cool uh we've got the combined inter= interview catch ups for ![sec]/! um data science and growth uh starting tomorrow um or tomorrow in my= friday for apec um here are three one hour sessions in there um the issue link is there they're all they should all be on the calendar um these are open to anyone so if there are people are not directly on the on the um calendar invites um please go ahead and add them um you should be able to edit those uh invites yourself uh [anon_$116] asked a good question in that issue around expensing um um i'll just i'll summarize that in terms of what we ex= expense my understanding is uh that budget has been allocated at the sub department level [breath in] and so we have a lot of discretion there the tldr is ask your manager before you expense something to make sure it's approved um but until we we one of the suggestions was to expense some food or a beverage [anon_$116]'s question was well does this have to be something that you bring to the meeting um i've answered that and please please correct me if you think i'm wrong here [anon_$112] i think no it doesn't but uh it should be coupled with attending one of the meetings or one of the one of these catch ups and maybe bring that to the conversation and tell us how you're expensing it so um some suggestions were expense a meal and bring it along not everyone wants to eat a meal in front of their colleagues while they're having a conversation [breath in] another is actually go out for a meal and come back and talk about it uh who you took out for the meal um what what you talked about and and share that with the team uh a third suggestion was um buy the ingredients for a meal that you want to cook at home and come and tell us about the recipe that you chose or um what it is you're planning on cooking in the conversation [anon_$112] how did i do 16:37 you encourage um you do encourage your teams to attend if they're interested you can kind of get together in a group and just uh spend a little time together not doing work specific things [pause] one of the interesting aspects of an all remote company spread out all over the world is things like this are important [pause] and you get out of them what you put into them [pause] 16:58 uh next item was also for me this is something that uh [anon_$112] and i discussed um he suggested sharing um there are some useful tips and there's there's a video there on uh filtering in gmail um really good if you're interested in that sort of zero inbox um email policy you can filter everything away into a subdirectory you don't have to look at it um i try and use this right now i i haven't got a zero inbox um but the idea behind that is i'm filtering everything that i expect to come in so anything that comes from [anon_inst189] goes into a particular directory and what i end up seeing in my inbox is the emails that i wasn't expecting to get and it sort of brings into top of mind [pause] um there is a video there it's a bit long you kind of have to um fast forward through it to get to the filtering if anyone's interested though i'm i'm happy to sharing some of the filters i use on [anon_inst189] um uh to filter email yeah 17:57 i would suggest making your teams know about this in case they're not using filters in gmail it can really help them if they're not 18:05 [anon_$121] do you know about this [anon_$121] 18:06 uh i was= 18:08 i've seen [anon_$121] 's email inbox i've seen it 18:11 [laugh] i was just gonna say is there a company wide policy that we're zero inbox i thought it was just a suggestion 18:19 it's a suggestion+ 18:31 =it's a suggestion 18:21 +labels in in auto filtering can or auto filing can be very useful uh i think i mentioned this in one of my um i did mention this in one of my skip levels uh and said what's better in many ways is unsubscribing from labels and other end projects where you don't want updates so you don't have to create filters in the first place so if you're getting a bunch of stuff you don't want to you're never gonna read go go deal with it at the source rather than gmail but um it's a tool 18:46 i'm gonna i'm gonna side with [anon_$121] on that i disabled my notifications i only receive to dos and mentions um uh uh it was declare bankruptcy and i did have some filters uh i just yeah maybe maybe it's time to look at it again maybe somebody had better filters than i did [pause] 19:10 ![unclear]/! 19:11 i was going to say one more comment um so i don't know if you can share a screenshot of your filters as they are today that'd be cool someone did that in the past and it was like much easier than trying to read through this you're like oh okay that makes sense and even if i don't know if you can export them as well that'd be pretty sweet ![unclear]/! 19:27 um i can't do it i couldn't do it i coudn't do it in one screenshot i've made a much larger 19:32 oh no 19:32 [laugh] what i'll do is and i'm not i'll i'll copy and paste 19:36 [laugh] 19:36 a few and i put them in our um shared channel i'll do that 19:40 awesome cool [pause] 19:47 that's all we had on the agenda you know we don't like to have meetings extending the time allocated uh but i do want to ask uh [anon_$114] as a shadow and listening in any questions your observations you have or questions you have for the group 19:59 oh no no no any no questions for this one thanks s112 20:03 okay thanks [anon_$114] transcribed by https://otterai 0:02 okay hello everyone welcome to the product analytics pm ux weekly um our first agenda item is a sticky i don't know if [anon_$134] or [anon_$135] um you probably know the most about if you wanna talk about that 0:17 uh the only sticky we have is that menu discussion but which is due uh today but you all have been working on that and we have a point on it that for [anon_$136] has set up so if we can just save that for when we get to it in the agenda 0:31 cool um we have no action items so that's always nice um then the next point is mine uh the dashboard working group discussed uh the need for a high level map of all the big pieces that make up a dashboard um think about this as like the regions the filters the widgets etc um and also what you call those um so i'll share what uh product analytics has decided with the emphasis that this is all fine and subject to change and that we're open to working with a group on on these changes um [pause] so yeah i've linked to the meeting notes there um i've also asked the question uh that i found some deprecated designs that i think i can use as like a um base for creating this these like blocks um and i just want to check if that's yeah something that i can use going forward um or if we need to rethink it um [anon_$135] you have a point there [pause] 1:38 yeah i think that's a good start because that's i mean that's what we've used in the proof of concept and then that's what we based our requirements for the dashboard off of which of course the data began to be displayed has changed but the regions are still accurate in terms of here here's where your dashboard level controls are here's where the the widgets are going to show um [pause] i would [pause] i i don't know if it's showing the editability of it but i would say yeah like a basic wireframe is also good to go like i don't know if that's something that's going to be uh [pause] quicker to do in figma or not but i mean just a a napkin drawing almost just to show like here's where editability will go here's what we plan to do as far as like editability for widgets and things like that but uh basing something off of that is a good start because that hasn't changed too much in terms of how we defined dashboards now for the internal preview is what i'm trying to say does that make sense 2:32 okay great yeah it does and thanks for answering um yeah [anon_$136] in terms of answering your question about would a basic wireframe be better i totally agree um my what i envision this to be is like a super abstracted version of what we have uh make it as easy to consume as possible i'll start with the first iteration of just being the static view and then create an issue and then we can discuss further on like how we can iterate this to show stuff like editability etc [pause] cool 3:04 that that works for me that'd be great 3:05 great [anon_$134] i see you're= 3:08 =yeah so i'll vocalize and and type i'm trying to think how to ask my question um so [pause] i i need to read through the meeting notes for the working group what is the expectation of the outcomes of this working group and our actions we'll take based on the decisions of the working group like one thing i'm uh mindful of is if since we're actively working on dashboards does the working group come up with mandates that we have to start following with b1 and essentially the working group is defining our requirements for us or is this making general guidance for [anon_inst189] like what what is the the purpose of the working group the outcomes and what is the action that we're going to have to take as a result [pause] 3:55 um i can give my understanding of it but um [anon_$135] [anon_$136] please also fill in um my understanding is that it is the working group is there to kind of set out the guideline or recommendation for what a dashboard should be but it's a two way door at the moment so there isn't [um] a well defined um like idea of what a dashboard should be right now and we're busy contributing to that um so i think it is a healthy space and time for us to say like hey here's what product analytics is doing um open it up to you also see what like optimize is doing and basically just reach a uh consensus so that we can deliver like consistent uh like naming and design fora for all of our dashboards [pause] 4:46 that's that's that's that's my impression as well the working group currently as it is i feel is generally kind of not as defined as it should be they they're very focused on like nomenclature and things like that but i don't think they've [pause] i know they haven't fully um and this is to no fault at all but like they they've only just gathered like the number of different dashboards that exist in [anon_inst189] but hadn't really evaluated the full capabilities of what dashboards we have so far and what dashboards we're building in the future specifically calling out what product analytics and optimize are doing um so i think it's going to expand further because they're kind of like on on the uh they're asking very cursory questions like what is a dashboard what are things displayed on a dashboard but like [anon_fn119] and others have and i and [anon_fn120] has like brought up like well we're going to be looking at configurable dashboards and like we need to define what capabilities those will like we wanted them to do as well as like what we expect as as an organization as [anon_inst189] to be able to like allow customers to do like when we log certain functions is that a thing like do users always have like focusing on its ability of dashboards is every dashboard going to be customizable um so i feel like that that's going to expand and i guess in terms of your question about [pause] based on the current goals and the potential for that to expand we're at a at a interesting point where which is something which is why [anon_fn120] and i are bringing this up is like we have a really good opportunity for us to kind of show what we've been working on and help influence that and like say like here here are our needs and here's what we think we need um and get their feedback on it to see if they agree but also then work with them to say hey like do you agree on the naming for these things or conceptually do you agree with that so that we can help contribute to that instead of it feeling like the working group is determining things and we have to come back to it later on in a different revision and like update it to be in accordance with it so i would say we have a good opportunity to just like collaborate and and reduce that uh uh the chance of that happening if that makes sense 6:49 okay yeah that helps thanks and i'll i'll read through the full set of meeting notes and i'll uh i'll ping you all if i have questions 6:57 yeah there are recordings for both so it's uh yeah should be fairly easy to catch up on [pause] 7:07 so my the next point unless anyone else has anything further to discuss on that no uh my next point was the uh just to touch base around the menu structure issue that we have from our last meeting um it feels like we're very close to final agreement um at which point we need to start adding epics and issues against each of these screens as per our to do's on that issue um so i just wanted to see if anyone had anything they'd like to discuss um i started it off with a question around if we're going to need any tabs um [anon_$134] it sounds like you have a perfectly valid point to vocalize on that one 7:48 yeah so your proposed structure [anon_$136] i really like it in terms of how the buttons and the screens are laid out it didn't seem to me like tabs would be appropriate for any of the things that are listed there that we'd want to split it up on um in in general i feel like tabs are a good way to represent a similar sort of workflow with a different axis of data but that's not what any of this proposed structure is so um none of this to me jumped out as this should be a tab rather than a new screen i don't know if others felt differently [pause] 8:13 uh yeah i agree with you that tab i can see tabs being useful maybe on an advanced dashboards once we get to like version four schema [laugh] to have dashboardable da= tabable dashboards to get different angles on the same sort of data structures um without overly crowding one dashboard um but i don't see any particular action right now that makes sense as a tab possibly query designer you could have a dashboard as a as like the dashboard and then have a second tab where you go to the query designer and changes to the query designer reflected immediately in the dashboard and stuff but that is [breath in] possible much i don't see that as an immediate requirement and nor do i see it as something that um is a blocker or or something that necessarily needs to be considered for this initial structure that we're trying to push forward 9:21 okay mm agreed and that's actually a good segue into my next point about query designer i feel like we should make this more prominent in the menu structure than it currently is uh one of the workflows we will see users following is i have a bunch of raw data i don't really know what's in the data to be able to create a dashboard to display it i want to explore my data first and the query designer is a great way to be able to explore that data dynamically so i feel like we should make this more prominent uh a proposed solution let me know what you all think is moving the the button query designer um and i put this on the agenda as well basically moving it up one level so you'd have the top level dashboard screen then you'd have the button to do instrumentation create a new dashboard or look at the query designer directly there and then your individual dashboard listing would be there [pause] 10:20 is query designer a good name [pause] 10:30 uh different question 10:32 okay+ 10:32 =whatever we call 10:34 +ignore me 10:35 more terminology called query designer+ =that is a good question though 10:38 +yeah 10:39 that's what i'm talking about uh 10:58 yes 10:59 but we could probably call it something different but that's a different 11:15 =my my yeah that's fair sorry my initial sorry go ahead yeah 11:22 no no go ahead 10:49 i was just gonna say my [cough] my more relevant thought while you were talking was uh almost lost it um do we have to support additional workflows depending on how you access the query designer because [pause] basically what i'm thinking of like if you hit query designer from a specific dashboard it has like this button saying add to dashboard right so the context is there that like if you're in audience for example and then you hit query designer you are effectively exploring data but then with the intent to add that [pause] widget or visual or widget to the audience dashboard if we take that out do we have to support an additional workflow of like okay you're at a dashboard but now you have to pick which dashboard um and then like how does that save things uh that becomes a much more complex workflow especially given now that the query designer has no way of actually saving or adding to dashboards so i guess that's a really long way because i'm processing it myself that if it's within the dashboard we can we know which yammer file to go to and i think that would simplify things from a technical implementation point of view if we pull it out which i which i agree would make sense to like kind of highlight and bring out on its own that might that sounds like it should be a separate iteration because we're gonna have to support a little bit more of a complex workflow in terms of how you actually apply that to dashboards and save it to their respective yammer files if that makes sense that is exactly what i wanted to bring up um this feels like a good second blank iteration on this feature um because yeah managing those contexts about like where do you want to save this how we're going to present that and some stuff like the ux how are you going to pull that on the front end um that's quite a bit of added complexity [pause] that i would i would think would be better maybe for a second iteration [pause] 12:51 i would second the second iteration [breath in] i can see this being useful in in terms of our mr workflow approach you click no go straight to query designer you fill out your query and then you press create and it goes create it or editing and it pre fills the query designer with all your queries that you've already written sort of thing um [breath in] as to whether to bring it up i feel like we could have the button in both places [pause] 13:24 so also in the menu itself you're saying or 13:29 i mean the button on the dashboard level as well as on the individual level because right now+ 13:34 =ah okay 13:34 +it's disassociated entirely from the flow 13:36 right 13:37 but it is a valid point that we should make it more discoverable at least initially and it's an easy win um for us to just have that button in existence if that makes sense because it's not associated to any one particular flow right now 13:51 okay 13:51 when the next iteration when we start adding it to into the flow that's when we want to 13:55 =okay [anon_$136] can you just clarify what that button is because i'm not [pause] sure about if you're talking about the menu item button or the button on the dashboard screen 14:07 button on the dashboard screen it's outside the menu system as per the+ 14:12 =right 14:12 +document that note 14:13 and so on the dashboard screen are you saying the individual dashboards or in addition to the individual dashboards all the dashboard listview as well 14:21 yeah both 14:22 okay because the dashboard listview kind of approaches the same issue with 14:25 yeah 14:25 kind of where it's like you don't have any linked dashboard to it then you have to support like if you hit add to dashboard where does it go um 14:33 well so for this one remember the problem we're trying to solve here is discoverability of what's in the dataset if what we iterate towards is a different experience for this uh dashboard individual dashboard list version of query designer and the individual dashboard context query designer being different experiences that's okay uh it's the discoverability problem that's really the the top of my mind right now for this 15:03 right and so the more discoverability we go for whether it's the dashboard listed view or the menu bar uh the menu link that i feel like would have additional complexity than what even we plan to play into the query designer to link it back to like actually adding and saving the dashboards so i agree like [pause] we should go for as much discoverability for this but the the further we bring it out the more prominent we make it the more work we do have to accomplish to get there so [pause] like in terms of iteration and efficiency i don't know if that's something we want to gun for uh or aim for [pause] as part of+ 15:44 =well i'm i'm primarily concerned about user workflow problems here less so on our ease of implementation necessarily if it is hard to implement let's find ways to pare it back simple solution let's just remove the save save button and you only get the gui designer and the code tab then we don't have any sort of context or anything needed and it's still going to be discoverable at that top level as the button 16:10 okay but you're saying you're concerned about discoverability but also concerned about user experience but the more [pause] the more discoverable we make it the more complex it is to like make sure that user experience is i guess as easy as possible so they kind of the two kind of work against each other i feel like um but+ 16:27 =i guess i don't follow i don't follow your point there um 16:30 =i guess i guess that so you're well you're willing to cut functionality from query designer to get it out as as much as possible is that is that what you're aiming for 16:37 well so i don't believe we're cutting functionality for this because we don't have any sort of save experience today to go from code tab mr and yammer file enter and mr to save correct our existing functionality that we've seen in the demos is just the gui designer and the code tab what i'm proposing is just instead of making that be [pause] instead of making that uh experience live underneath each individual dashboard moving that to the the top level dashboard screen like there's+ 16:37 right 16:39 +i don't believe there's any sort of individual dashboard context required for what we 17:14 =we we plan to imminently and [anon_fn121] has called this out in the last few demos to like add that saving functionality and that as as it's currently demoing is within the individual dashboard so my understanding and i know [anon_fn121] has started to put some ethics together for this and we need to define that is that we are wanting to get to that point of saving or adding to a dashboard very soon if we bring this out i think that would change that and would increase the scope of being able to see that functionality and then you were saying i think earlier that if we can bring it out to make it even more discoverable but then remove the add to dashboard functionality then i think that changes the direction that i would assume that [anon_fn121] was heading towards um maybe it maybe it's a better discussion to have i i guess uh i guess [pause] i'm not sure where to go from here because i agree like it'd be great to to um bring it out like make it more discoverable but also we don't have a good idea of how well this query designer is defined so it's hard to like make that decision i feel like right now um if that makes sense 18:15 yeah the thing that [anon_$134] brought up also made me think of [pause] what we do for our hard coded dashboards because it will probably be a similar experience where [pause] if you can use the query designer you can use it but you can't save it um so you'll you'll have the code output but you won't ever be able to write to the file so that's a whole thing we'll have to figure out i guess 18:42 yeah and that's that's my understanding of like what we want to figure out sooner rather than later i guess my question to you sorry [anon_$136] did you want to vocalize 18:49 i i feel like there's a the issue here is that the query designer is being built [pause] um without any kind of ux or product necessarily deep dive input we're not thinking about the problem before we're building the problem we're just building the solution um [pause] which is definitely one way to go just to get it out there but isn't necessarily going to be conducive to integration with the rest of the system that we're necessarily building which is now we're starting to feel that tension right like right now there's [anon_$134] says we could what we've said already is we could literally just take this exact query designer that [anon_fn121] had um put a lot of effort into and just put it on two different levels we don't have uh you know uh we could put it on the on the dashboards and on the individuals right now all it does is uh allow you to discover data and visualizations that you can use with that data which you could then put into dashboards but we don't yet have any ability to take our static dashboards that we've that we're coding with a milestone into interpretation that we're not going to be changing that yet for a while um [pause] uh into a saveable environment we've not even discussed the user flow on how to go from a static dashboard into a saveable dashboard or how to create new ones yet so it feels like we we're putting the cart before the horse in terms of the query designer um [breath in] so 20:15 yeah we're very we're eval= we're evaluating it based on like what how it exists currently but we have no visibility into uh and there's no clearly defined visibility into like where it intends to go i'm just going off of what [anon_fn121] has said in terms of he really wants us to be able to save the dashboards but that opens up a host of other questions so i just feel like discussing this menu item is a question that's based on an answer we don't yet have if that makes sense but i guess my question to you [anon_$134] is like do you feel strongly that this is something that we would have as a first iteration like when we when we do expose query designer do would you prefer to have this like at the at the at the forefront is that is something worth noting so that we can help shape the direction of where the query designer is going to go um 20:58 yeah i i feel that we need to have the ability to explore the data be something that's easy to get to without having to require the user to go through multiple clicks through different screens to get there easily 21:11 and that's actually why i asked about the name because i feel like query designers intent on like [pause] specifically for like [pause] building the dashboard versus like i was thinking of data explorer which is i i think similar but a different purpose of just literally playing with the data with no intent to actually say that anywhere you can marry the two eventually but that's why i asked about the naming um but yeah 21:33 well and part of since we are getting a bit turned around on what like individual query designer requirements are going to look like and that we have all these questions we still need to i agree answer um part of the reason remember we're doing this proposed menu structure is so that we have a more concrete proposal to go back and talk with the rest of the ux org with about our left sidebar discussion as well so i i think this is a good point to call out that we're having some friction on this topic but also we don't necessarily have to solve this question today necessarily if we have an open question around it we can put that in our proposal for the information architecture and move the other thread forward in orthogonally to while we figure out what are we going to do for this specific topic uh 22:22 yeah 22:23 remind everyone on that part 22:25 no i mean that if anything that kind of proves my point from last time about like yeah we have four items right now but we're as we were literally like thinking up of uh another feature like yeah there's our fifth one so [laugh] [pause] 22:42 um okay well so let's put let's put a pin on this and come back to it then um we can get we need to get requirements put together for that um another question i had on this proposal is funnel analysis right now we're that's proposed to be a widget that goes on an individual dashboard do we need a top level menu item for this what's going to go there uh that wouldn't be covered by the individual widget and the file backed configuration for that 23:10 uh you need a way to define those funnels um and ultimately that creates a schema and cube and that i think would be what you would select from that funnel widget so um i to be fair like i quite literally just like thought of that in the call with [anon_$136] because i haven't really thought through how funnel designers are going to work because we know we want to get to it but we haven't yet but i do feel like there is a bit of a designer or workflow of sorts where you will have to like want to give a little bit more functionality or or breathing room to to set up those funnels um and not be constrained to a widget container if that makes sense 23:52 so we will need some sort of editor experience around there uh beyond just what's available in the yammer schema 23:58 that is that is my theory because that will contribute to the yammer schema or a different yammer schema or actually interface with cube to actually set up that schema um yeah uh gosh they're all schemas everything's schemas um there will be a workflow where we have to save those synchronize that to cube so that it can be reported on um by by the user um so like that's that's the first one and i also feel like uh as part of i think we're out of time um but [pause] as part of viewing a funnel in the dashboard i would imagine there will be some type of like in depth analysis that you would want to do specifically for like think perhaps it's a it's a pre baked in depth funnel view of like here's why things are converting or you can dive deeper into that and that's potentially another item that i would expect to see in like the funnel analysis um or i guess it could potentially exist as its own another dashboard but um those are just kind of like off the top of my head like why we would eventually need a section um for funnel analysis 24:59 okay cool yeah no that makes sense um [pause] well since we are out of time in terms of next steps uh if we have other feedback on this let's go with async for this but um what i think we need to do for an action item before the close of week is to reply back on that left sidebar organization issue with the broader ux folks to reengage on that discussion now that we have a more concrete proposal um do you think well i guess does anyone have any other comments we want to discuss async or are we good to move to that other thread now [pause] 25:13 we need to add the issues such epics links to the different menus but other than that if we're okay with the general top level structure even if we don't have an exact agreement on the finer details like within those then i think that's fine just proving we've got a minimum of four unique pages that we need is what we want to prove isn't it 25:58 correct 25:59 yeah and i'm all on board with what we've got so far including the query designer um how we get there is a different question but like i i agree like generally like we should feature that more prominently [pause] 26:12 okay cool well let's try and get the uh i'll spend some time today or if other folks want to do it before close of business today to add links here and i'll plan to put that comment back to the other issue tomorrow then um unless anyone pings and says hey we should chat about something before then [pause] great anything else [pause] all right sounds good thanks sounds good thanks yeah yeah transcribed by https://otterai 0:02 okay plan weekly thing uh seventh of december 2022 [anon_fn124]'s first but i don't think she's on the call [pause] okay no okay so i'll verbalize uh is [anon_fn125] on the call no [pause] okay [laugh] so we'll be welcome wel= welcoming [anon_fn125] async then uh so okay this is really for everyone else's benefit then so yeah we're welcoming [anon_fn125] [anon_sn55] as the first front end engineer on [anon_pr96] and hopefully he can fill in all these fields async and uh yeah i don't know maybe we'll hear from him in the next meeting um it's his first week he's probably still on page one of the to dos that you get when you join so it's fine uh i think we're straight into demos then um [pause] we starting with [anon_fn126] 0:54 oh no [laugh] i thought i had more time i thought we were gonna have more of an intro um alright i can [anon_fn126] is it's super late um for her so i'll i'll take care of this demo for her and this is my first time running through it so it'll be a nice fun real live demo uh [hum] [screen share start] okay um so this is around the viewing of the activity and system notes um if you all caught the recording last week [anon_fn126] demoed um just viewing the activity and system notes [pause] goal for this previous week was to um hit the ability to sort which um she took care of um there's a little bit of backstage uh work done around the widget on the front end um which took uh the majority of the week and is still uh still being worked on but uh yesterday she was able to get the uh sorting into her draft mr um so it's not ready yet on staging or production but it is available in her in her branch so as you see here hopefully um i am in an objective we have some system notes just uh just three here um it defaults to oldest first [screen scroll] my first time clicking on this oh yeah and it sorts the newest first let's see if um what happens if we add another [screen scroll] do that [pause] okay it added it to there um and that is not sorted correct oh it is is this the [screen scroll] other way around this first yeah okay so it looks like we just need to reverse that um but it did do it in the right order which is great let's see if we [pause] [screen scroll] can do that [pause] 3:22 it seems to resort it whenever+ 3:26 =yeah yeah [pause] it does did it change this did you notice if it changed the action 3:32 no i think it oh maybe [unknown] 3:35 it didn't change it 3:36 okay 3:38 alright so uh some tweaks that need to be done around the um [pause] around the addition within uh an objective but we do have the sorting ability there um let's see if [mutter] [screen scroll] [pause] that may be on my side [screen change] all right maybe we can test a key result on this mr may just be on my environment [pause] okay 4:21 is that is that widget meant to be below the uh list of system notes [pause] 4:26 [screen change] no i think uh it's a bug uh we we need to address it to account for system notes basically it needs to be right below description [pause] 4:42 should it always be below description then 4:47 yeah so the original designs that we have for tree widget uh is uh similar to how we do other widget types where children items are always after description but below discussions and systems [pause] 5:05 cool yeah do we have a [pause] we do have a design with all of the widgets for and objectives done right like everything should be that's here status assign these labels and milestone should be above description which should be above the child objectives which should be above the activity on notes 5:33 yep i can attach it to the agenda 5:35 cool [pause] 5:40 yeah they sent a link to the issue which contains all the design so you can refer to it i think [pause] 5:45 cool [pause] any other questions [pause] all right okay so the next um item for the okr management demos was around comments um which we don't have anything on the ui to show today unless [anon_$143] i was going to put you on the spot you want to show the response of comments do you have anything easily available locally or is that the back end the api is in production now so we could technically test on um on staging or production but do you want to show uh getting comments in widget form through graph ql you don't have to if you don't want to because again i'm putting you on the spot it's first time i'm mentioning it to you 6:22 uh wh= it was for me right 6:53 yeah 6:54 okay [laugh] uh we can move that down to the later on and i'll prepare something [pause] because i don't have anything ready yeah i didn't know uh we'd want to demo that so 7:10 okay yeah let's move on to the next one [screen share start] and then if like i said we don't have to demo it it's just showing it [screen change] in well here actually i can [pause] do it together [screen change] right now let's see how quickly i can [pause] do you remember the uri [screen scroll] um [pause] what would it be under project [pause] [mumble] na i don't want to make you all watch me type so yeah we'll we'll skip to [anon_$141]'s read only or do you want to voice that [anon_$141] 8:01 yeah so i'll i'll verbalize so there isn't any uh significant progress as far as tree view front end is concerned uh although last time i did share that uh we have a couple of backend mrs has a dependency for front end to move ahead so all the back end mrs got merged so in terms of uh dependencies we are unblocked uh for the preview but i i plan to have next week's uh plan weekly to demo basically uh showing off other attributes within preview which includes uh label milestone and uh assignees so yeah nothing to demo for hierarchy widget as of now [pause] next one would be uh [anon_$144] progress visit [pause] 8:47 yeah i think um i mean my de= i can give a demo on ui site on my local instance uh but uh they're not they're mostly not ready for review yet uh um [anon_$140] if you want me to take over i can take over [pause] [screen share stop] can i replace your screen yeah great [pause] [screen share start] [pause] are you guys able to see my screen which has an mr 9:27 yes 9:28 yeah so this milestone i've been working on adding progress widget for work items as part of the initial step was to add a separate table for progress widget and that has been done in this mr [screen scroll] and it got merged today i was out for a couple of days uh this week earlier this week uh so there was some delay [screen scroll] so the in this mr we have added a table we have added a widget class uh to be an ee only widget and then i also made [screen scroll] uh the query graph ql query also available to fetch progress widgets right and then [screen change] i picked up this small that small piece of item today which was uh raised by [anon_fn127] [screen change] uh where from the dashboard issues if you click on an objective uh user is being uh navigated to issues new page uh so i fixed this uh i've raised an mr [screen change] uh waiting for the review and then lastly [screen change] coming to the demo part [screen change] so internal objective uh here is how progress widget is going to look like we currently have a back end validation for this value to be between zero and 100 uh so i can actually go ahead and change this to some 59 or and just leave it it gets saved i've introduced the mutation as well uh let's verify this by reloading the page [screen change] yeah it staying at 59 however there is some minor bug in this which i'm working on so hence [screen change] the the mr of this is still in draft mode i still need to write couple of test cases as well once i test it end to end completely uh by end of this week i'll split this mr into front end exclusive as well as backend exclusive so that the graphical changes can go first and then we can uh push the front end widgets so once this is done the only piece that will be pending as part of progress widget is uh uh handling the roll ups so we need to write logic to support roll ups um yeah i'll open up a discussion thread to finalize how i want to take it forward but high level i just want to [tech noise] go forward with after update or after after update hooks at database level uh but yeah we can take it async once i open up the discussions mr [pause] any questions 11:34 uh you said there is [screen change] uh back end validation but on the front end do we limit it with maximum of 100 because i see that's type number right so we can set maximum 100 and it won't allow us to go above 100 on front end too so we have double validation in this particular case 11:52 oh that's great i did not know that thanks for uh letting me know 11:55 [giggle] no problem just a little suggestion [pause] 11:55 out of curiosity uh backend mr issues are displayed when you [screen change] now update this to some invalid value for example to 200 or something like that 12:08 [screen change] hi yeah so if i upgrade it to 200 back end is not currently raising any error the value still stays here but if i refresh this page it goes back to the previous value [screen scroll] i just raised a comment to [anon_fn128]'s asking if i'm doing something maybe i messed up something in the mutation uh yeah so this is the bug that i was talking about so it's not completely implemented [pause] 12:34 okay well thanks there should be a list of mrs returned from backend with uh population errors [screen change] so it shouldn't be possible to just [screen scroll] display them i hope [pause] 12:45 oh yeah here is a question that i raised just now um yeah [pause] 12:51 a bit of an [screen change] unrelated question but in general for these work item widgets we don't have any loading indicator or saving indicator right now i mean while trying to stay more you were unsure if this got saved although you implemented it how's it even for our users so should we add some notification or something that indicates that this could save to the server [screen scroll] [pause] 13:18 mm good one i i'll leave it uh for if anyone wants to give it+ 13:22 =uh it's not about okrs only so it's a general question 13:26 so if if i'm just playing with status here if i just click closed here ![unclear]/! is going into blurred phase for a fraction of second and then it is coming back alive uh which is a slight indicator of the value added in the backend it might not be that straightforward uh i would yeah for progress and labels there is nothing of that sort at this moment 13:46 yeah+ 13:48 =yeah 13:47 +and in the sidebar right now sorry go ahead 13:49 it was an intention that we don't have any loading indicator on assignees or labels and it's as smooth as possible so we don't block users and changing and i think it was also agreed with ux team to have a really smooth user interface without multiple audience states that block users from different interactions [pause] 14:14 yeah we should indicate if it fails probably but like we we can probably take the assumption that it's like you know kind of optimistically exceed you know succeeds but we do need to indicate if it's not actually true [pause] 14:27 [screen share stop] alright then [pause] 14:43 um just one thing uh when you create the discussion issue for roll ups um if you could link it in the agenda or in slack because i think there there's gonna be other implications around roll ups because we're in the process of trying to figure that out with other things like waits and um uh waits for iterations and [cough] milestones uh etcetera 15:11 =sure [anon_$140] once i have that ready i'll [pause] ping in the channel 15:14 cool thank you [pause] okay awesome demos um let's go ahead and let's not show the comments stuff um yet we'll wait till next week to show it on the on the ui so we can go ahead and move to [anon_$145]'s demo [pause] 15:43 okay thank you um [pause] yeah i think it's this one [screen share start] [pause] so what we what i've implemented is the ability to specify attributes for an image so that it can be resized so for the example here this is [pause] pulling an image from our uh our press kit [screen scroll] and this is what we get typically but if i come here and add width equals 100% [pause] well let's put the right bracket in there [screen scroll] preview and there we go [screen scroll] full size or if i remove the preset and it'll default to pixel size [screen scroll] then he gets really small so this is actually available in in production on our group um but we can't enable it uh uh product wide yet because the um content editor doesn't understand uh the widths and heights they don't understand the syntax or so there's a bug there and a little bit of work that needs to get done there [pause] any questions [pause] 17:05 you're gonna make people very happy with that [anon_$145} 17:06 i think you just changed my life right there [laugh] 17:12 cool [laugh] yeah it's nice it's was much it was much easier at least at this this small level than than i expected previously so [pause] cool [pause] okay i'm i'm done if there's unless there's other questions [pause] [screen share stop] [pause] [anon_$146] you're up 17:53 yes uh so this demo won't be new for those of you who attended the application performance session but for the rest of us let's have it shared [screen share start] so this is a quick update on our front end caching opr that we have and here you can see the list [tech noise] of issues [screen change] on the previous demo you probably seen how they were cached but caching is easy cache navigation is complicated so currently what happens here uh first of all we cache per query now not per applicant not per application like it was previously so we cache only the issue list query and labels for now how does it work right now again uh first we display the cached version of the list and after this there is a request in the background that brings us the actual version of the issue list so let's make a quick test here let's create a new issue [screen scroll] new issue nine as you can see i have problems with the second part of development challenge which is naming [screen scroll] so i just name them with numbers [screen change] let's create this issue and go to the issue list so you can see there will be new issue eight [screen scroll] for a brief moment when my application is making the request to the server we chose new issue eight and then new issue nine appears without any kind of loading things and it's really fast so this part is cached labels are also cached but for example [screen scroll] i don't cache assignees we are always selective about it you can see that we're fetching assignees in the list but if i go to labels [pause] [screen scroll] there is still a little pause it's not a loading it's just some amount of time when we're re=rendering labels but there is a little bug and already created an issue not even a bug that's a limitation of our filter search the problem here is in the filtered search it's really hard to update the list of the labels after we returned them first time from the cache what does it mean for us [screen change] let's go we're going to create a new label [screen scroll] so let's create a2 so it's also in the top of the list with some greenish colour [screen change] and come back to our issue list [screen scroll] so first time when i show the labels list there won't be a2 [screen scroll] here [pause] because in the background i'm still sending the request but due again to the limitations of the filtered search that uses promise based queries for the first time it's not displayed here it will be only displayed [screen scroll] and user opens the drop down [screen scroll] the second time and that's why i created this issue by recommendation from [anon_$139] to discuss it with the ux team until we find a proper solution to this problem on the technical level [screen change] [cough] that was basically it any questions [pause] [screen share stop] 21:01 yeah it's worth noting as well that like it is a trade off so the current experience for example if you load this list of labels on the [anon_wws12] group issues list it can take eight seconds sometimes which is like completely frustrating and really interrupts people's workloads so i think it is a balance anyway we have to like consider like which is the greater evil right that like how often do you add labels really like new labels that this would be frustrating for people and then since it's fixed anyway that when you open a new list like maybe it's not such a big deal but uh yeah any feedback 21:39 yeah that was my [sighs] that was if we were to go into this uh [anon_$146] i saw your issue this morning uh uh in in sort of researching um do=doing an actual uh research effort on this it would be probably centered around uh standard workflow and inserting new labels is that a common thing um is it worth the trade off uh for us to get the performance back uh versus having that new label visible the very first time um i personally have no inkling right now [laugh] about that [pause] 22:23 uh quick quick question is it [pause] that that will appear that problem will appear for everybody when a labels that is that correct 22:33 yes because it's from 22:35 =your organization each person across the organization will experience that because ![unclear]/!+ 22:40 =yes that that's that's correct yes for the first time they open the dropdown they will see the cached version and only for the second time they will see the proper version so yeah if for every single person because it's front end caching so it happens on the client 22:53 i mean we just to play devil's advocate we play we change labels [pause] quite often in our organization so um as soon as that's [pause] that's mentioned on the slack forum and we're supposed to add some new type ![unclear]/!label to our issues we're not going to see that the first time we jump in to try to do that [pause] okay 23:16 yeah but i just devil's advocate to that statement if you think about the workflow you're not typically going to create a new label and then immediately going to a filtered list you're creating a label you're applying it to stuff meanwhile if we're talking about [anon_inst189] users they're in the list doing other work and they've already loaded the list so they've already hit it without you know before you've even even got there to actually use it so in my opinion this is a very easy price to pay for an improvement in performance because i at least for [anon_inst189] um for other customers to [anon_fn132]'s point we need to know more about how their workflow works but at least for us i don't expect it being an issue internally 24:02 is it is it just the the filter uh list drop down or is it the um when i'm in an issue and hit the uh the edit label widget ![unclear]/! that case too 24:14 =no this this is this is only for issues list for now and probably will stay there because we try to figure it out for issues list with because this particular query is super slow because database query goes through all the groups and projects for a certain user trying to get all the labels they have access to on the issue itself it's quite fast so we don't plan to cache there and to the [anon_$148]'s point also if you add a new label especially on [anon_wws11] and you go even if you go to the issue but we will probably try to search for this label not expect to be not expect it to be immediately on the list because i rarely see people that open the list and scroll down trying to find their label especially in our 1500 labels for [anon_inst189] so most likely you will search and if you're searching this search is not cached for the first time you search it's not cached it will be searched only after the first attempt of the search that's also answering [anon_$148]'s question so this aids the performance when you do type a value but only after you type it at least once so if you type workflow [pause] there is a set of labels with workflow you see this is cached now next time you type workflow you will have them instantly but for the first time it's not because it requires some value to cache first 25:36 i legitimately do a i type a letter and then i'm like one mississippi two mississippi three mississippi letter number two one mississippi two mississippi i i count to three between each letter if this allows me to count to two or to one or no counting i will find you [anon_$146] and hug you like personally [pause] 26:39 no that's a great improvement it's a great group thanks [pause] 26:47 [anon_$147]= 26:08 =i think though just to run sorry just to run into it though like just to address [anon_$145]'s concern again just so i have it straight to run into this you would need to like create a new label and then go immediately to an issue list and try to filter and try to filter the list by that label right that that's the time you'd run into if you would first filter the list by anything else [pause] you'll have refreshed the cache of labels so say we added like type i don't know uh this is a terrible example like say type maintenance didn't exist [laugh] we had to add type maintenance right uh you would need to go and filter the list by type maintenance first if you went to the issue list and filtered by [anon_pr85] first then the next time when you went to pick the tab label it would be there right [pause] 26:50 it's it's just the the person [pause] adding the label their workflow at least my workflow typically is to go use it and verify that it works [pause] somehow and so that may be the one instance where they might see the a hiccup but but you're right in terms of the performance it's uh it should be a big one [pause] 27:25 i want to ask is to any [pause] is there any cheap way how we can get the la= latest label got that got created like a date and then do the network query instead of caching so you don't deal with the promise stuff that you mentioned 27:39 technically we can try to get the last label with a creation timestamp and compare it to the timestamp where cache was created because we can get the timestamp of the cache 27:51 mm 27:52 compare and perform the cache invalidation i'm not sure that there is a partial invalidation ![unclear]/! it's not the one i chose [laugh] the one that i was asked to work with but i believe even dropping the cache altogether we will still need to do this at some point so that at least invalidation is doable and we can get timestamps so we can think about that also partly answering [anon_$140]'s question unfortunately [pause] updating the cache [pause] that is in the local storage is not possible it's updated when we write with apollo cache so when we're fetching with a query or we are writing to the cache that this is probably already after application is instantiated so queries are probably fired at this point but we can think about it and maybe there will be more crazy ideas about how to fix this particular problem with filtered search because we have a few ideas of how to work on this from the front end side protector and the filtered search itself maybe maybe it will be possible to switch it to so called smart queries the same fonts that we have for issues list you can see issues list is updated pretty fine so yeah but for now this is the first iteration that is far from perfect but at least we have something to cache [tech noise] 29:08 i wonder if we can use subscriptions like subscribe to projects in groups that will give you all the labels and then we can fire the events like if a new label is added or anything um you'd get that data and and populate the cache 29:23 =the main problem is not with the cache here the main problem is i will dive just a little bit into front end implementation it's quite complex but apollo has two types of queries one of them is observable that's what most likely you see that updates with subscriptions udates with ![unclear]/! in pretty reactive or whatever you change in the cache it displays on your screen and the second one that is on the filter search is promise it's just the right recipe guy whatever you have in the response for the first time stays there forever if you can update cache like 10 times and it will ignore it because it's a simple query it doesn't care about what's in the cache it cares about what's returned for the first time and that's the main problem with filtered search unfortunately [pause] yeah thanks for the clarifications okay uh let's probably save some meeting time was pretty interesting discussion which we can skip and make it the sync and on to [anon_$141] 30:25 yeah so this is uh just for the awareness uh that uh we currently do not support updating uh issues and epics in bulk via graph ql uh right now uh you can edit issues in bulk from issues list but it [loss of sound] was a xop legacy rest api it's not even a public api i think it's uh private api uh so [pause] we basically did a workaround when we uh rewrote the issues listed view originally we were supposed to have bulk editing uh via graph ql as well when we implemented issues listing view because the rest of the page is already in graph ql uh but uh right now we don't have any mutation available when it comes to bulk editing and uh currently uh on the epic side uh we have uh some feature requests coming in both from users customers that they are looking for more attributes to be uh updatable in bulk for list of epics currently only labels are supported when it comes to bulk editing epics we can add support for more attributes as long as there is a private api available but then we are basically introducing technical debt because uh pages graph ql and we are using this for new features so we we had this conversation now over a year ago when we rewrote issues list in graph ql so i have linked uh the epic where it was proposed first uh like lack of uh mutations available uh we have also created uh similar epic for work items uh which is here and uh it basically tracks the same effort for work item so in case we want to support uh bulk editing of attributes then you will need to start thinking about uh having the mutations first in ![unclear]/! [pause] [anon_$137] you want to verbalize uh your point there [pause] 32:19 yeah just a minor thought that when we bulk editing of work items we will need to think about uh how to bulk edit uh work items of different types because each type may not have all the attributes you need to update so this is something to clarify but uh it depends on priorities if you need a graph ql api endpoint for applicant issues sooner we might need to add uh [pause] endpoints for bulk editing epics and issues now before we support work items and so it might be two different things [pause] 33:12 yeah so [anon_$149] regarding your question that does this influence uh the ui so for now as until we add the backend first as far as like creating mutations are required there isn't any uh ui update that is going to take place first we need to have mutations that support bulk editing once the mutations are in then we can add ui on top of it i i believe that if we add mutations to update issues list in bulk uh then we can keep the existing ui as it is it would be a behind the scenes change where we remove the rest api usage and replace it with graph ql uh the sidebar behavior for bulk editing will remain unchanged same thing goes for epics as well ui updates will only take place when we start adding new attribute types to that bulk edit sidebar unknown 34:01 yeah yeah 34:03 cool thanks [pause] 34:08 yeah so the last item so feel free to uh start the discussion in both the epics that i've linked there uh if you have any thoughts and uh the second item was uh already answered by [anon_$145] so we can skip it it was around uh db schema data mining items for work items uh next one is uh [anon_$139] [pause] 34:26 yeah quick one um last chance to vote on what time this meeting should be moved to please check out the issue there are multiple options all the context is in the issue you probably know it by now so yeah please take a look and vote if you haven't already i'll probably try and wrap it up today so that everyone has two weeks to adjust to the new time [pause] [anon_$150] really 34:26 just one comment [laugh] because [anon_$140] needs to wake up at 530 i'm not sure [laugh] if if this is the move uh if we move it to 13:30 utc this will be very early for you [laugh] [pause] 35:12 that's okay i can i won't have camera on and i'll probably take it from home if that's the case but the= i normally go to the [anon_inst219] uh one anyway so there's no need for me to be active in both i don't think so don't keep it at the current time on for my sake essentially 35:36 that's a good point i think that's reasonable right like we should try to make it so that everyone can at least attend one of the two meetings um and so if i'm looking at the votes and it's a tie break um if everyone thinks that's thinks that's fair i'll use that to br=break the tie basically like if somebody is able to make both right a bias towards the one where it includes more people and at least one of the meetings [pause] that said there is an option to like veto anytime so if you definitely absolutely do not want there's a third emoji for that reaction uh if you just really really detest a particular time of day uh you can express your opinion on it anyway this is going on too long it's just like feel free to take a look [pause] all right [anon_$148] i think you're up 36:36 yeah i just want to say i've worked on a number of cross team projects in the past and i've never seen one executed that's not the right word uh i haven't seen one delivered in such a really impressive way the collaboration between the teams um and the bias for delivery and the bias for demoing um and just getting something useable out there so that we can keep pushing forward is is really really impressive i'm like proud to be part of this team thanks so much to everybody who's who's working on the [anon_pr86] [pause] 37:22 if there are no other points i see that [anon_$151] joined the meeting so maybe we can circle back to point one [pause] 37:33 so we has [anon_$151] are you there 37:39 i am how are you 37:40 how's it going so you're very welcome uh we did a short introduction for you earlier but you weren't here but that's fine it's not expected uh so maybe you could tell us a bit about yourself um where you were before [anon_inst189] and uh yeah why you decided to join where you're located and what you'd like to do for fun outside work 38:01 yes i'm [anon_$151] i'm based in [anon_pl87] um before [anon_inst189] i was at [anon_inst205] i was the lead front end developer on a tool called megaphone which is basically just a tool for uh hr marketing tool for [anon_inst205] real estate agents um i joined [anon_inst189] just because i think it's the right place to view developers period and i wanted to be part of that and yeah and outside of work i love spending time with my family my young three year old daughter i watch sports all the time working out and yeah i'm glad to be here very excited to be here [pause] i think that's all 38:39 awesome you're very welcome [pause] okay [sigh] that was our last uh agenda item so i'm going to stop recording but uh i think we have some social time items but this is not for the benefit of people on youtube transcribed by https://otterai 0:02 hello and welcome everybody to this week's application performance session 12th of september and we are back on this very very happy to be here of course so um i will do the first point on the agenda [pause] i just noticed that in certain circum=circumstances with the new approval rules in place rebasing and therefore updating startup css can require getting new revenue and maintainer approvals i'm currently working on an issue um around that are you aware about the new approval rules [anon_$138] okay and there 0:38 no 0:38 there is a link let me just quickly share my screen um [screen share start] there to me it feels like these things are pretty good but also a little not quite [screen change] fully finished to say the least [screen change] um [pause] i recently went into this so [anon_fn122] is driving this and for a couple of reasons [pause] [screen scroll] there were a lot of changes um [pause] we are now needing uh approval by a code owner there will be one thing [screen scroll] [pause] um what else was there [screen scroll] you [pause] once you made all your or once the mr is approved and there is and that is kind of the issue here once the mr is approved and there are more changes uh as in commits coming in or basically everything is touched recently that was okay and the approval was still valid which was negotiable um but now this is a big no no and the approval will actually be kind of invalidated um which is a fantastic thing [screen change] but if i am bringing up this example mr [screen change] [pause] this is kind of biting us a little because i feel like rebasing is definitely something [screen scroll] we would encourage people to do so but [pause] [screen change] there we have it if you rebase um 2:07 yeah 2:07 see um so this was actually absolutely fine the maintainer rebased once more [screen scroll] and which then broke the startup css because this mr is actually touching the start up css which is um so far so good um but once you're rebuilding it um you actually need to need to ping off the maintainers once more so that is probably not the the most efficient way we can deal with that um i don't think we'll be touching the absolute rules but regarding startups css we might want to think about any other workarounds on this [sceen change] [pause] 2:07 so uh [pause] to uh um to get into some details uh i haven't read the thread uh on on the slack [screen change] i is it only about the startup css and requiring the uh maintainer rare reviews and the uh codeowners reviews 2:41 um 2:51 or for everything 3:03 yeah for every mr these are the new approval rules [pause] 3:07 oh right um [pause] yeah [pause] ![unclear]/! how to do that best i want uh [pause] mm i don't know um definitely an important discussion and uh quite a wide one uh not sure how to uh direct that uh basically when the maintainer uh i think there is uh um a comment which with which um you can just rebase the mr in the ui 3:15 mm 3:15 uh [screen change] without uh [screen scroll] um having to check out [screen scroll] and uh and retest that and i think maintainers do use uh that quite often 3:56 mm 3:56 uh but [pause] yeah things things might break at that moment even if no commit itself changed so um 4:11 um 4:11 um like like just for basing just put in the the old commits without changing them on the top um might break some things um 4:21 my two two cents on this mm 4:23 and let's let's have a a lengthy discussion about this um on the corresponding issue that i'm about to create but um the startup css changes that are breaking these are scss files which are checked in into a repository but they are 100% auto generated and nobody other than the machine is supposed to be touching them um [pause] you made a point which is absolutely true that rebasing might break something i'd argue that it actually shouldn't be able to break anything except for maybe a merge conflict we can't avoid them this will always happen but other than a merge conflict so what i see aspiring in here is actually having the generated startup css files checked in into a repository and i feel like currently i'm on the i'm on a point where i'll be like okay if this is completely auto generated then let's just put it into a [anon_inst189a] ignore because we're not touching them anyhow mm mm 5:26 and have them auto generated once we're running our pipeline and that should be that should be it probably and we are not dealing with this basically by hand for the currently doing and applying this etcetera but so that's my+ 5:27 =![unclear]/! 5:33 +that's my current point i'm not sure if i'm overseeing complexity here could be [pause] 5:46 yeah i'm uh i'm on your side with this one um just uh worried about uh if we have uh proper consistency and we probably have that uh within the building uh environments uh like if we built uh that css uh on staging that it is the same that is built on production and when we uh build the distros uh but yeah i think the generated files could be excluded uh we we should be safe in the !builded persistency/! 6:23 yep absolutely [screen change] yeah it's gonna be interesting um [pause] because the the auto generated files are actually scss files so they are transpiled or compiled to css once more so there's at least this this double layer of complexity and i could maybe it is just for performance reasons so we're probably not running this on every pipeline we'll see um i'll open up an issue i definitely will um [screen scroll] include um [anon_fn123] [anon_sn54] in this because i know he wrote a lot of the things that actually leading to um to our sub css generator 7:00 mm 7:02 which brings me+ 7:02 uh yeah 7:05 =sorry 7:03 +and sorry do ping front end ![unclear]/!on that uh a lot of discussion would be better i think 7:10 mm i'll i'll bring it to the front uh the front end weekly meeting as well very very good point let me just quickly make a note on this [screen scroll] um [pause] sweet uh which brings me to my next topic um it's all about startup css today i [pause] have recently been working on a on a bigger feature and it's turned out i've actually broken startup css on assignment page while i introduced a feature flag and it was unnoticed for mul= for multiple weeks um to quickly before i show anything about what has happened here or what broke it and that is that is important to know if you are dealing with any kind of ui elements that are startup css related and you are working with a feature flag startup css or the generator behind it will not know this by default so it will basically always opt into all flex on and that was in my case i filled a new feature which was working perfectly fine in startup css but i've actually broken the old thing so when the feature flag was off um we have reintroduced all the flickering so um [pause] yeah two issues that i'm seeing here i've already spoken with [anon_fn123] to this we are currently working on um updating the docs for startup css because i'm i feel like this issues issue is not very very known at this point there will be one thing um and i was a little surprised that uh nothing nothing yelled at me um since this is our sign in page turns out [screen change] um there we are turns out [screen change] currently we are not monitoring the sign in page at all so that might be that might be [screen change] something [screen change] we want to uh we want to add in there [screen scroll] and i'll be working um on an mr on this [screen scroll] that kind of makes sense and what i haven't found the time yet to dig deep on this but regarding startup css what are we trying to improve here it's basically um obviously the measurement quality i always say flickering but that's not what it is the the content shift kind of um so i'd be curious about our monitoring and we probably would need to reduce bandwidth quite a bit to actually see any any examples so that is something which is still around for me to investigate like do we actually have any monitoring or maybe even automated tests to see if this still does what it should do and if we haven't broke it broken it along the way 7:10 um yeah it's it's a [screen change] very good point actually have the uh um [pause] landing pages uh in the um performance testing um yeah i wondered too if if the layout shift would be noticed uh on a good bandwidth uh to be fair uh in the uh in the linked um merge request that fix that their are uh video recordings of the issue i assume they're o=only visible uh [pause] as much only on the bad network and with cache disable right so uh going uh through the pages uh should be uh fine on on the second page because these csss are already in the cache um but yeah definitely having that uh in the [pause] uh performance uh pages your list that you linked um is a good thing yeah definitely and basically that's one of the most important things uh because that's landing experience that's something we want to be um as smooth as possible yeah absolutely and probably even for our very first time users with a clean cache um they'll be landing on the on the sign in page so that's probably quite a quite a common scenario last not but least uh another another thing about startup css and i'm curious if you've you've encountered the same um to to put this in an in an open way have you within the last month or something uh have been working on an mr which required some changes to start up css no 11:51 nothing okay um because i feel like this is quite a common behavior [screen change] and we should [screen scroll] get it fixed so [pause] the [screen change] the good thing about this is it is that the right mr 12:05 yeah that's great 11:55 [screen scroll] um the good thing about this degeneration of the startup css is completely automated automated and this is fantastic so for the first one this thing will fail and we start off css job will fail [screen change] basically telling you a something has changed in the code this will require us to update our startup css here here is the diff just go apply this commit this um run this job once more it will then catch up with the update we should be green and we should be good to go [pause] job done 12:33 mm perfectly fine what i see happening all the time is this is the what we're currently looking at is the very first failing job after the rebase and it will give me uh [anon_inst189a] diff in the ee folder um for the startup sign in css so once you apply that [screen change] and run the thing once more it will fail on you again where you will like okay i obviously did something wrong [screen change] but you usually didn't because [pause] maybe i did in that case [screen change] or just open to wrong pipeline or i actually did do something wrong [screen change] but [pause] yeah once you've got ee sorted out and checked in everything this thing the pipeline will fail on you again providing you another diff with basically a very very similar difference uh once more but this time not an ee but in ce once you applied that [screen change] again you'll actually be green and good to go [screen change] [pause] um this feels like quite a waste of pipelines currently so that is that doesn't definitely does make up for for a good issue um and a potential optimization so we can just yeah be more efficient and maybe save some uh some money when running+ mm 13:59 +all these pipelines as well 14:02 mm uh are they run sequentially have you investigated that uh like for ee and then ce 14:09 um what do you what do you mean by they in that case [screen change] these um those two patterns [screen change] or 14:17 yeah so you you you've uh at the first you've got the ee issue but not the ce issue right 14:23 mm 14:23 so i wonder if uh we have a code like ground first thing and only then around the the second thing and if both uh pass the only then uh we succeed uh like uh why uh [pause] the point i think uh that you are making why didn't we get the both issues in the in the first uh run right um 14:23 yeah 14:23 so wondering if they're sequential there+ 14:26 =um i+ 14:30 +and if they can be polorised 14:49 +i haven't investigated on this but if i don't get it wrong then so the thing is you will have to run a full pipeline to actually run this job and if there is a pipeline running and you will be starting a new one as far as i know it would then be skipping mdl pipeline and basically aborting um aborting the process and just continue with the new one so [pause] that is that will be hard to reproduce probably [pause] 15:25 um i haven't checked the pipelines we have uh i haven't dig into that uh if you want we can just peer review that maybe uh not on this session [screen change] uh asynchronously uh and check how how that is run and uh maybe [screen scroll] try throw that in there 15:47 absolutely reducer um i'll create an issue for it and ping you and then we'll see maybe we can bring it to our friday friday's uh peering session or something um and regarding the um [pause] the sign in page i will make sure that we add the url to our monitoring so we don't miss out on these again sweet that was it with what i've had 16:17 cool 16:17 um today any any last minute items anything you thing you'd like to add 16:22 uh no thank you for holding this session and sharing all this stuff uh it was very cool thanks 16:30 likewise thanks so much for for joining and yeah let's um i'll ping you on the issues i'll be creating and then i'll be i'll be seeing you in two weeks i suppose [pause] 16:42 cool yeah thanks 16:44 awesome see you then have a good one 16:52 thanks bye [screen share stop] uh i was just wondering uh about one thing uh before you drop transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 [noise] [pause] okay i'm just waiting for people to join in [pause] [tech noise] [pause] definitely today's um gonna be a very intimate session today [laugh] we have um [pause] [anon_fn40] [signal loss] and [anon_fn41] welcome [pause] welcome i think i recognize [anon_fn41] as well um welcome again [pause] um if you guys want to pop into the chat um any [pause] um where you're coming from how you're feeling everything like that i would love to hear [pause] love to hear [pause] so perfect guys i think i can get going we can get going today um i'm just going to introduce um the [anon_pr14] program for that we're doing surrounding [anon_pr98] quickly again if guests if you want to share it uh with anybody that um you think it would be relevant to but um [pause] the [anon_pr14] program uh or course with [anon_pr98] is um a structured online course designed to equip new entrants with the tools to take up their first position as a trainee crew member in the film industry [anon_pr14] aims to drive a wider representation in the creative screen industry and [anon_inst48] [anon_inst46] and [anon_inst44] are looking for new entrants from ethnically and culturally diverse backgrounds to apply so this program covers a wide um a broad overview of all departments and helps equip new entrants with the knowledge and skills to of the essential skills that the ![unclear]/! is needed and working on a live action set so this [anon_pr14] is going to be taking over is going to be taking place over two weekends the 26th to 28th of november and the 3rd to the 5th of december and applications close uh at 8pm on um at 8pm at um midnight so um [anon_fn41]'s going to be sharing a link to [anon_pr14] in case you want to share it with anybody that may be interested in taking part so today we have a very special guest with us um i'm going to introduce uh [anon_$017] [anon_$017] can you just open your screen for us [participant appears] and we can start the conversation hi [anon_$017] how are you 2:54 hi [anon_$016] i'm good how are you 2:56 i'm good i'm good really excited to have this conversation and thank you so much for [breath in] taking part in um week five of [anon_pr98] um webinars so do you want to+ 3:08 =thanks for having me 3:09 +just maybe introduce yourself 3:11 [breath in] [pause] yeah um i started off i suppose in college studying radio production so [laugh] um it would make a lot of sense that i worked in the= uh ended up in telly um [pause] i started off uh in radio because i thought it was something i might enjoy and that kind of is a bit of an ethos i've gone along with in my life in general um it's why i ended up doing my master's degree it's why i ended up taking jobs um you know um it's kind of i'm i'm kind of follow my nose um so i started off in radio production i went and did uh i did two years of that i did my third year was media management in [anon_inst37] um and then i did a [pause] master's part time in communications and cultural studies then in [anon_inst38] and again i i considered that was just for fun at the time um and then i start i did about a year working in office job after college or while i was in college and then i got a job in a small production company from there i went into a post production house and then into what was [anon_inst39] [pause] and then um years and years later into uh lecturing in [anon_inst40] so at the moment i go between freelancing in [anon_inst41] on the weekends uh christmas holidays whenever anyone else doesn't want to work [laugh] um summer holidays and that and i also uh teach two to three days down in [anon_inst40] and i teach editing [pause] 4:40 that's really great and like like what do you do as an editor what is what does a freelance editor do and like for someone that has no idea of wha= um of what of the role or the career path 4:52 [breath in] i suppose i'll explain what an editor does first um and to people who have no idea at all the way i tend to explain it is that it's like doing a giant jigsaw puzzle [breath in] i take the footage i take the voiceover i take music sound effects graphics and i put them all together and make the thing look like television basically or make it look like a film make it look like a show reel whatever it is i'm i'm working on that day [breath in] so that may that can be kind of like scaled down it can be anything from you know commercials um to you know recently i did a a a sizzle reel for religion programming [laugh] religious programming in [anon_inst41] because they're selling programs over to the [anon_inst51] so i cut that for them most recently it could be um tv shows it could be big films but essentially the job is the same it's taking all the elements and stitching it together+ 5:46 =that's really interesting mm yeah 5:48 +um freelance basically [pause] freelance means that i don't work as well [pause] it's complicated in [anon_inst41] [laugh] but uh of course it is um but generally freelance means that you're hands for hire so um to an extent you turn up and you do whatever is kind of put on your desk if you're someone like me i need a couple of days here and there um [pause] or if you're full time kind of freelance if that's your full gig then you'll get to a stage hopefully where you can choose which projects you want so you can you know work on if if you plan ahead enough you can work with directors you like work with producers you like work on a particular genre so a lot of freelancers will work with like maybe one production company an awful lot or two or three directors that they kind of go between um and they might work on a job for anything from a couple of days to a couple of months to a year um [pause] and they're self employed basically and they get to choose whatever roles they they take on 5:48 that's really interesting and it [pause] uh to me kind of sounds like it offers a sense of like [pause] freedom [laugh] to choose what kind of career or what kind of um projects you want to be involved in so that sounds good but maybe can it be maybe a bit like precarious in terms of like okay it's only going to be three days or [laugh] you know one month or something like that so it's all is this this is this idea of like you're always on the look for um the next project is that come 5:48 yeah it's called the freelance this is called the freelance fear [laugh] 7:21 [laugh] 7:22 once you finish a job [laugh] it's well known once you finish a job you feel like you're never going to work again [laugh] um but i mean uh i suppose freelance covers an awful lot it covers any everyone from the people trying to get in and trying to get as wide a range of experience as possible to those who are very kind of specialized um [pause] i suppose the amount i know it's not a very sexy answer it's not a very um [pause] a= attractive answer but i suppose if you can manage your [signal loss] money well enough you can hang on for the better jobs you know 7:55 mm 7:55 so you can afford to kind of turn around and say that job's not wor= like i finished this job in march and that really good one that i want isn't starting till june so you know i can afford to take smaller jobs in between and fill it up that way you know so [pause] it offers a bit of freedom but you do have to do your own taxes [laugh] 8:13 yeah i can imagine that's very um very very hard for a lot of people that aren't in like um public jobs that everything's done for them but um yeah and i i understand you're a tv programmer as well do you want to explain a bit of what that is too 8:27 [pause] no tv programmers so what i meant was i work in in programming 8:57 programming yeah 8:33 in the pro [signal loss] programming department meaning it's the department who make the tv shows as opposed to the news or current affairs or uh promos department so in broadcast you can work for programming or programs um you can work for news and current affairs you can work for promos they're kind of the three main ones so um i work in both uh depending on the time of the year depending on what kind of programs are going on so at the moment i'm doing a lot in news and current affairs in [anon_inst41] during the summer i was on sports [pause] um now don't be fooled i know nothing about sport [laugh] i know less than nothing about sport but i did i managed to do the euros i did the gaa i did the olympics and um [pause] uh you know they're hiring an editor not a sport expert so luckily for me [laugh] 9:22 [laugh] and it's kind of nice knowing that you can go from like different type of without knowing anything particularly in the area that they're doing but your your job is just to edit [laugh] so without knowing anything about sports you can still work in that sort of area as well is that nice 9:39 [pause] yeah particularly like you get that a lot in broadcast i think not so much if you're working like if you're a film editor you know [pause] it's all about story and it's all about telling the story driving the narrative making sure everything makes sense [breath in] things like you worry about things about like continuity um [pause] so it's all about kinda the bigger [breath out] story stuff if you're a craft editor working sorry in film or that um and in documentaries it's kind of a longer process you might go in if you're working on a a lifestyle show or a a three part doc whatever you'd normally have maybe two to three weeks on each episode um sometimes four if they have a decent enough budget um [pause] but in broadcast the way i work [pause] because i do two or three days teaching a week and i work say on weekends and outside of term time midterm breaks all that kind of stuff um i will work with whatever is put on my desk and that's absolutely fine by me 10:36 okay and like what is like the day to day for you like i know you you you teach and you do editing as well um [tut] on the different programs but what is the day to day for you if you could explain to us 10:49 [breath in] well it again it kind of depends what you're working on so if you're working if i'm working on news i'll go in um and i'll put a package for the one o'clock news i'll take a break i'll come back and i'll do a package for the six o'clock news if i'm in headlines i'll cut the headlines um i might do a package for kids news i might do week in politics um whatever is kind of coming across your desk um if i'm working in tv programming if i'm working say on the on the olympics i'd come in either at seven in the morning or 10 in the morning and work a 12 hour shift and i'd be given like one or two sports or a couple producers to work with and they'd watch whatever sport it is and come into me and i'd cut the highlights for them um or whatever it is now if you're working on a tv show [pause] that's maybe you know an episode a half hour or an hour long episode your day is gonna change depending on what kind of stage you're at so early on for the first three or four days say in an hour long episode you'll you'll spend basically watching all of your footage and going through it talking to the producer the director about uh music about any kind of issues legally that are gonna come up about what they want and how they want to cut um any music they had in mind that kind of thing and then you're you're kinda they tell you what they want generally leave you alone to do it for a couple of days you know they check in [pause] every day or two or you'd give them a shout or and then towards the end of the project it would be viewings um it would be things like legal you might need to send it off you will need [laugh] to send it off to the legal department to make sure nobody's gonna get sued for anything or you haven't accidentally done something like [pause] you know talk about a crime boss's house and put in someone else's house and you know defame them by accident stuff like that um [pause] [tut] and then there's things like you know packaging it up for air and making sure you know depending on the size again [pause] uh the editor might do the all the graphics and the credits the straps the opening title sequence the coming ups um or an assistant editor might do that for you and so it depends again on the budget and what kind of thing you're working on 12:58 [pause] that's really interesting and um what i found very interesting with what you were saying was [laugh] in terms of the [breath in] the the legalities behind it because i didn't really even think of it now that you're saying it like yes you would need to go back and check uh if [laugh] you were incriminating someone by mistake [laugh] or something like that has that ever happened to you that the legal team were like um you have to change this [pause] 13:26 yeah you get changes all the time 13:27 oh really 13:27 it's their job [pause] oh yeah all the time um now not [sigh] if i'm cutting a news package everybody knows the law [laugh] and then you know what you can and can't say and that's all fine i'm not going to legal every news package but if i'm doing um i did a couple of shows for [anon_inst39] like [pause] you know [pause] stuff that was their bread and butter at the time um [pause] you know [pause] stuff about um drug dealing and burglaries and whatever else any kind of crime sort of stuff and you'd send it off to legal towards the end [pause] it's legal's job to find things that are wrong with it and send it back that's what they're getting paid for 14:04 mm 14:04 so there are a couple of little things you do like you you'd leave in some stuff that you know they're gonna change and [pause] you know you know it's legally dodgy but you know it means that [pause] that's what they're gonna focus on and they send it back and say you know we found this and you go thanks a million and you've already taken it out before it get back gets back to you 14:26 [laugh] 14:26 [laugh] there are issues that come up all the time things like [pause] um oh god things you wouldn't even think of um about like even i remember um we're talking about you know crime or something in um some area and it was somebody's name we had mentioned five minutes earlier and then there was a recognizable house or they might think that somebody is too recognizable um or a certain thing has to be blurred or whatever you know but there are always legal changes and you know it's not it's never a personal thing sometimes um they'll come back with their recommendation and the producer will say no we're happy to live with that risk um [pause] and it it's a conversation it's like they'll say legally i advise you x y and z and the producer will say well i know that but if i take that out it's not a tv show so [pause] we're willing to take that risk that [pause] you know if we say that about a politician a politician isn't going to sue us 15:25 mm 15:25 you know [pause] a criminal will sue us a politician won't you know so you can you know you that's up to the producer to decide you know if there's anything [tech noise] blatantly obvious i'll turn around and go i don't think we can say that i think you should double check it [laugh] but um generally knowing a bit of media law is one of the most useful things in the world 15:46 that's really interesting and something that's a lot of us never think about [laugh] that's that's really and in your work as an editor as well as just to kind of put the things that's ne= necessary in but like sometimes those kinds of things that you can say are the best tv but you obviously you have to know the law [laugh] the lines+ 16:03 =yeah 16:03 +within the law to to to so you won't get sued at the end of the day but um coming back to like how we get into this like um career path of editing um ho= like and you spoke about your own experience um coming into coming into like the likes of [anon_inst39] and things like that but like what kind of qualifications uh would somebody would they need to follow the exact same career path as you in terms of doing the masters in um i believe it was communications um what kind of um degrees or if any qualifications would someone need to like enter a career path such as yourself 16:38 [breath out] i mean i never did tv in college the communications thing was all academic all theory based it wasn't really relevant [laugh] nothing to do with media like really it was more about like [pause] narratives and kind of bigger thinking around the whole thing and it was really interesting um but it never taught me how to edit you know so [breath in] [pause] like [breath out] as a straw poll just anecdotally i'd say uh in journalism there are fewer people who have media degrees um [pause] probably about half some of the most talented people i know in media never studied media like one of the most talented guys i know studied linguistics [laugh] um but it is handy to have [pause] something to get you in the door and people expect a degree even if it's not exactly in that area you know um and things like if you're trying to get into journalism obviously a de=a degree in law or english or [pause] something like that is kind of it's not a million miles away and it's very handy or business is a good one to have um [pause] you know some of the kind of top presenters and that never studied media in in [anon_inst41] if you look at their cvs they didn't go and study a media degree now it can give you a really good grounding and i'm teaching on a media course and i'm looking at some of the other modules and i'm god i wish i'd studied that that sounds really interesting 16:38 yeah 16:42 [laugh] i know nothing about producing you know so there are definitely like holes in my knowledge that i would love to know more about but it's [pause] you know it's not exactly too late but it's a bit too late [laugh] 18:14 never say never [laugh] 18:15 um [laugh] well i can't go back and start a media degree now [laugh] a degree in television it would be ridiculous um but like there are there are you know certainly things like script writing and stuff like that that you know i could definitely be more educated about and that would have come in handy um and the degree that i work on i can see how it's really valuable for the students they get a really nice kind of grounding in everything but [breath in] if you're into media and you don't have a degree in media that doesn't mean you can't do media it's not engineering it's not science you know it's not like you have to do a degree in structural engineering to be a structural engineer um [pause] you can you there are ways around it 18:56 mm 18:56 you know 18:59 definitely definitely ![unclear]/! 19:01 it's not a straight road you know 19:03 nothing is and even myself like my background is psychology [laugh] um so i kind of found my way into media and tv industry through my psychological research psychology of the media 19:14 mm 19:15 so it's been um really yeah just a world where you don't necessarily need [pause] six um degrees to enter this path uh you just need a strong mind and a willingness to learn [laugh] that's what i always say 19:29 yeah the gift of the gab [laugh] 19:31 [laugh] exactly exactly and you were talking about just um in terms of when you receive um your your package let's say for editing and you were saying sometimes you have like a 12 hour um workday is that a normal thing or is it are we supposed to expect 12 hours [laugh] 12 hour workday for uh if you want to be editors or is it is it does it like go with ebbs and flow of distinct projects or um how is how demanding is the job 20:03 it depends again what you're working on so the news shift is like a 12 hour shift you know on paper at least um so you work from half 10 in the morning until 10 o'clock at night now sometimes you get out of bed early you know depending on what you're working on sometimes it'll be later if the news is on later on a saturday night which everyone resents [breath in] um the olympics and the euros and that kind of thing a lot of the time you'll come in early you'll you'll work a long day so that kind of live tv in [anon_inst41] is scheduled it's a seven day fortnight um [pause] it's not usually no it's not usually a 12 hour day now there are some days there's going to be pinch points around any kind of project where you know you're trying to get it over the line or you've sent it to a producer and they've come back with three pages of [pause] changes and you just have to get them done um or you've come back they've come back with a legal issue which [pause] they shouldn't come up back with anything major but sometimes it happens um or more likely less likely the legal team will will make big changes it's more likely a higher up producer will come in and say actually that's not how i pictured it or that's not the story i want to tell or whatever um [pause] so there are going to be days that are long [laugh] you know there are going to be computers that break um but as a general sort of rule you know eight to 10 hour a day is fairly normal you know 21:26 mm 21:26 including a lunch break you know 21:28 ![unclear]/! well you know in te= 21:29 there's no need to be a martyr there's no need to go i will work 14 hours every day and that'll prove you know nobody respects that really you know nobody says oh you worked really long day sometimes they look at you and go are you really inefficient 21:44 mm 21:44 [laugh] you know you should generally kind of get your work done within whatever day you've agreed to do 21:50 definitely and one thing i'm even noticing within the within um the webinars that we're having is a lot of the speakers have been saying that like they've learned themselves that it's important to not to burn yourself out when it comes to being in the tv and film industry because a lot of people do overwork and 22:11 yeah 22:11 it's important to take that time out as well to like rest and just have a a life [laugh] even though your work is your passion but just to take time out for family and all these kinds of things and not just work+ 22:24 =but 22:24 +home sleep eat [laugh] that's it yeah you were saying 22:27 that's that that's something you learn to do too you know something that you you [sigh] i like i did it i did the long days i did like high pressure jobs i did you know um [pause] like [breath out] uh you do it for a while and then you realize that's not sustainable you know like for your actual life you can do it for a couple years 22:47 mm 22:48 um and then you can go out you know go to the pub on a tuesday night and go into work on wednesday morning and keep working till whatever hour like but [pause] you learn not to take too much on you learn how to do your work in an efficient way you learn how to say no and you you learn how to say actually i know you want these changes today and that's fine i'll do it no problem but this is how much i'm gonna charge 23:09 mm 23:10 you know um i tend [pause] it's it's one of the [pause] better pieces of advice that i i was given um don't say no say how much [laugh] 23:18 [laugh] 23:20 yeah of course i can i can work the weekend no problem but i'm going to charge x y and z you know 23:25 exactly 23:25 so um or you very politely say listen i'm really sorry i can't do it this weekend [pause] you know and negotiate but it's something you learn you know i think in in my 20s and a lot of people in their 20s tend to work and work and work and to an extent that's kind of what your 20s are for sometimes [laugh] um and then at some stage you have to say yeah no enough is enough i i have a life and it's not all editing and it's most definitely not in a small dark editing suite on my own all the time [laugh] you know you have to you have to look after yourself 23:56 definitely it's super important for us to look after ourselves and um i'm [laugh] probably in that ![unclear]/! now sometimes myself not thinking about that in that 20s working working working well yeah i'm learning along [pause] with everyone that i've been talking to like yourself [anon_$017] as well and like in terms of like even your experiences of like negotiating with other people and um creating those boundaries like are there any what are like some good experiences that you've had from that and some bad experiences as well and what did you learn from those experiences 24:30 [breath in] i learned how to negotiate money [breath out] and it's a very very hard thing to do [pause] um to set your rate and stick with your rate and not be negotiated down and not be kind of whittled and you know again it's something you learn with time it doesn't come naturally to me it doesn't come naturally to an awful lot of people al= particularly women particularly irish people particularly just 90% of people [laugh] there and if you can learn to negotiate with confidence and say this is my rate and then not send a follow up email going i'm really sorry [laugh] actually i can do it cheaper or they will they'll always come back it's their job to come back to you as a producer and say could you do it cheaper could you do a longer day could you get it done in less time and it's up to you to hold that boundary and say [pause] i'm sorry i can do it in less time but you'll have to you know you'll have to ask less of the edit or i can do it in less time if you cut four pro=programs into three [laugh] um but it's a long way of saying no 25:38 [laugh] 25:40 yeah um so yeah i i've um and sometimes [pause] people want you to work for free and sometimes people want you to work for less than you can work for and sometimes you have to let those jobs go 25:54 mm mm especially if it's a close relationship as well no [pause] 25:58 it's yeah and it's hard and sometimes you know sometimes you need the money and you'll work cheaper and that's fine but you have to be okay with that you can't go into a job [pause] saying they battled me down and i resent them for it and i'm going to hate this job you know if if they negotiated you down that is entirely on you you know um and it's it's hard but you have to accept whatever you have agreed to and move on and do the job equally well regardless you know 26:28 definitely definitely that's really important um i would even say it's it's it's a skill to have it's a very important skill to have those negotiation skills particularly when you're starting off because i imagine when a lot of people are starting in the t= film and tv um industry they're working freelance they're being contracted and things like that before they get on to [pause] um [pause] more permanent roles i would like to call it but um it's really important to have that kind of negotiating skill and like what are some sort of [pause] other soft skills um have you learned i know editing is is is your hard skill [laugh] but what are soft skills just going through your your career um history what are some of other soft skills that you learned in this 27:12 i think um the most important thing as an editor other than being able to edit well is um [pause] it's often being the easiest person to work with in the room um and it's often it's getting on with people and it's being a cool head you can't be a panicky person and work happily as an editor [laugh] you know things are gonna go wrong things are going to break computers are going to you know i had a night where um [laugh] i remember the entire thing just froze it just uh no it didn't freeze it went media offline and it was half two in the morning and it meant all of my media was just gone half two in the morning and the show was on air at seven o'clock the next day and i'd spent three weeks working on it and it was one of these really high pressure last minute things that [anon_inst39] are really good at um and it all just it all just went offline for no reason and i remember the producer turned to me and said i'm going out for smoke and when i come back this will be fixed and i said yeah it will yeah mm 27:53 [laugh] 28:19 and i turned it off and turned it on again and it worked [laugh] but like+ 28:24 =[laugh] i would have panicked i'm a panicker [laugh] 28:29 you know you have those and sometimes you do panic and then the next time you realize you've done exactly the same thing you're working you know [pause] um everything all of a sudden smoke starts coming out of it and you go okay well that's listen that's no problem i'm going to deal with this and i'll come back to you in a minute and you might be internally going oh [laugh] um but you know it's it's [pause] you know it's your job to get whatever it is to air regardless and that is ultimately in broadcast that is my job it's not the producer's job the producer's job is to make the best tv show they can [breath in] and sometimes that kind of conflicts can i watch that again no we don't have time you know um and i will edit as fast as i can and i will get it to air um [pause] i won't be panicking but you know this is getting to air [laugh] and there is there is no two ways about it you know but if you're going to panic about it you're going to make mistakes and um being a cool head and being the easiest person to work with [pause] particularly at the start um for the first five years and i think sometimes there are different rules for the first five years than there are after that i think you get away with more then um [pause] but i think being the easiest person in the room to work with sometimes is the best thing you can be 29:48 mm [pause] can i ask you a question this is just randomly but i'm thinking like would wo= is would there be like it sort of [pause] being the easiest person doesn't mean being the most passive person that's what i'm trying to get 30:02 no no 30:03 yeah well 30:04 no no no [pause] 30:06 what what+ 30:07 =i mean 30:07 +does it mean when you're saying being the easiest person 30:10 [breath in] i mean if somebody needs a favor and you can do it then do it if you can't do it then that's fine and you say look i'm really sorry i can't do it for you right now ask x y and z or come back later or whatever i mean be a very clear communicator i mean be very clear with what you can and can't do um uh my experience when i started out was that um i i had one person come to me one day and and say can you do this and i said well i'm not i'm not your editor you know somebody else is your editor can you not go and ask them and and they said oh know i'm kind of afraid to you know um so being approachable and that i'm not talking about being a pushover i don't believe in pushovers [laugh] um you can be assertive and you can stand your ground and all of that and it's kind of a separate thing to me to me being the easiest person to work with is being easygoing to a point where you can be you know if you can do someone a favor [pause] do if it costs you nothing [pause] do it you know there's no need um there's no need to say no you know there's just no need to be difficult and you can choose to be difficult sometimes um and you can choose not to be so for the first five years choose not to be [laugh] 31:25 that's great advice and yeah even [pause] from looking back on the webinars that we've had previously a lot of people were saying something similar like just be sound [laugh] 31:34 yeah 31:35 just be a nice person like 31:38 you'll be shocked how far it gets you [laugh] 31:42 [laugh] so when you're entering there just you said anyone that's entering the industry just be a nice person may not have to have all of the experience in the world but just be nice sound open to learning and um have that reciprocal relationship with other people and you'll get very far that's what they've been saying and like coming back to the whole um program as well and what we're trying to do with the [anon_pr14] as well is that we want to kind of tackle the let's say um under-representation of people of culturally and [tech noise] diverse backgrounds in ireland because we see there's a huge gap when it comes to that in the film and tv and the media industry and as again as well with gender as well it's very male dominated but how do you think that gender and cultural diversity can shape [pause] um the tv and film industry in your opinion 32:30 [breath in] i think [pause] [breath out] particularly in journalism particularly in you know current affairs um you know [pause] the news agenda is set by people who work in news a lot of the time you know set by you know if you want to go into you know lecturing head here there are three people that set by you know people government and the media but the media are the ones who are looking for stories and reporting on them in a certain way and [laugh] there is so many stories that are not being told or not being represented um and i think that the more people we have in the room the wider a net that will be and i think that you know media is about telling stories whether that's news or drama or documentary or whatever it's storytelling and if we're not hearing all of the voices then we're not hearing half of the stories you know and i i think that bringing more represen= representation is such a loaded word but more diversity more voices more people and a wider range of people into the room will i just don't see how that could ever be a negative thing you know i think that it could just it just brings so much more and i've seen it in my classes in the college where there are people with different backgrounds and they bring in their friends for their short films or their stories or their documentaries or their you know their scripts and it changes the entire [pause] it changes the whole thing it changes the dynamic of the class it changes the topics they're talking about it changes how the rest of the class are educated on those issues and it's quite powerful you know and that's only one room with 30 people in it and i think that if we took that and blew it up into society and into [breath in] media in general i think i think it would be very powerful 34:14 definitely yeah it's it's it's a beautiful thing in terms of just like [breath in] [pause] nobody's voice is being diminished it's just adding a different perspective some people there's a fear that once you add new voices into the room or add new voices on the table it's it's like their voice is gonna be taken away nobody's voice is taken away it's just a different way of looking at things and and like you said it is um my own personal opinion as well is that it's a beautiful thing to have uh touching base on on even there's a question here from [anon_fn42] as well that says um about building your network and getting out there but like how would someone as like a freelancer [pause] start to build their network and like if you're in a new city you know absolutely no one but you want to work freelancing um in in as an editor how what's what do you think the first steps are for someone to do 35:03 [pause] [breath in] the first one is be good at editing [laugh] you know i know that sounds ridiculous but there are a lot of people who want to be an editor who don't really know how to edit that well or you know like you you have to be really good at it you have to work at it and that is that's going to give you you know the biggest step up you can get like i've seen people say you know i'm not getting any work and then i look at their show reels it's just not very good it's like well you know um the there are ways um there are more ways now to network than there ever have been before you know um [pause] getting into the industry isn't like it's not a straight line it's not you know it's not something i can tell you step one two and three the four things i think you need in order to get into the job and stay in the job are you know be the easiest person to work with in the room be good at what you do work hard at it and they're two separate things and turn up on time um [pause] being good at something is different to working hard at it and they're two separate things um you can be good at something and not particularly work hard at it and people will see that and kind of you kind of just drop off the map um you can work hard at something that you're not very good at you know and sometimes that's the [laugh] hardest thing to kind of um for people to see you know um but if you work really hard and you're good at it you're nice to people and you turn up on time it's going to get you most of the way there otherwise it's networking and it's contacting people [pause] there are more organizations now yourselves [laugh] you know um there you know there are um [anon_inst44] there's [anon_inst240] there's um oh god there's so many of them there's [anon_inst50] there's guild that i'm i'm supposed to representing but haven't mentioned yet hi [laugh] i'm on the [anon_inst49] um there are facebook pages there are groups there's [anon_inst50] you know there's so many kinds of organizations there that you kind of have to find and reach out to [breath in] one of the most valuable things you can do is and again i'm going to state the obvious here but watch stuff [pause] find out who worked on it get in touch with them and say hi i really liked your work on that show i'm trying to get into the industry is there any chance i could pick your brains have a phone call meet you for coffee do a zoom call you know and by the way he=here's my show reel here's my website here's what i've done already um whatever so that in itself is something that people don't actually do half as much as you might think they do 35:03 mm 35:03 um [pause] you know it's it's not an easy thing to do that kind of cold approach you know i find a lot of people do a website do a show reel and put it up on the internet and go there you go now [pause] come and offer me work [laugh] but [laugh] in a way it's a branding exercise it's it's um we did the [anon_inst43] recently did a workshop for assistant editors and [anon_fn43] [anon_sn18] one of the assistant editors came on she had um [pause] a great analogy she said that making contacts is like growing a garden 36:10 yeah 36:27 you know you'll you'll meet somebody along the way and you go that's one little feed and you know i met them um at some festival or whatever um then you'll you'll meet them in a year and their their career will have grown and so will yours hopefully um and you'll meet somebody else and you'll keep in touch with them and you'll meet them at a different festival or you'll meet them at a drinks night out or at an event or you'll work with them i have gone [pause] on i've worked with i don't know how many people have gone to college with [pause] your contacts are the people you already know [laugh] 38:55 yeah 38:56 nobody doesn't have any contacts i don't like i didn't know anybody getting into the industry i didn't know anybody at all um i you know and [laugh] some people get annoyed at nepotism and they say oh you know somebody's aunt or uncle or whoever owns [pause] the world um and there is a bit of that and you will come across people who have gotten in because they know somebody or whatever six months later if they're no good they won't be there 39:22 exactly 39:23 so to me i don't really care about nepotism like i've been asked to cut you know the boss's niece's showreel or whatever and i'll cut it [laugh] like that's fine um and if they're talented and if they're good at what they do and they turn up in time and they're nice to people they'll be around in six months time and if they're not then they won't you know i just i don't i wouldn't worry about that too much the problem is if you don't have any contacts then you have to actively go out and make them and that means linkedin it means instagram it means watching the credits on a tv show [pause] looking up the production company seeing who works there what else have they worked on who else have they worked with [pause] a little bit of stalking [laugh] 40:04 yeah 40:04 [laugh] um and then you once you have a bit of information on them you dm them and you get in touch and you say hey again i really liked your work on [pause] you know what i'm really saying is i'm paying attention here i'm not some randomer i've actually noticed your work people love that [laugh] don't be uh you know flattery will get you everywhere [laugh] um i saw your work i thought it was really good [pause] i'm struggling to get in or i need a bit of help getting in or i'm trying x y and z i've done this before here's my work could i [pause] meet up with you or whatever sorry i know i'm repeating myself here but it's worth saying twice um [pause] uh other than that you know [anon_inst44] [anon_inst240] [anon_inst45] um your lecturers in college you generally know people um [pause] and yeah try and get anything you can out of them so when i was working in um when i came out of college and i wanted to work in radio i was going to be a top radio producer it went really well [laugh] i couldn't get a job in radio to save my life you know i went in and then looking back maybe i just wasn't very good at it [laugh] um but i went in and they all said yeah no problem we'd love to hire you could you do six months for free and [pause] i said no i can't um first of all i can't afford to and second of all i don't want to [laugh] and you know i just i just i can't and i won't and so i went around and said thanks a million you know obviously said it very very nicely because i knew i'd come across them again in six months time um and eventually i got an interview in a a small production company like as a bit of a last ditch effort and i was like ah it's tv i don't do tv but sure do you know what i need some i need something 41:54 mm 41:54 and so i went in and um the producer there the um she's [anon_fn44] she was fantastic but she said to me that you know that's great it's lovely meeting you would you be interested in work experience and i said look i'm really sorry i'm not interested in work experience i thought i was here for a job um and i kind of like i i was at i was at the end of my tether and so i i got a bit more upitty than i probably should have [laugh] and said if you're not you know you really shouldn't be interviewing if if you're not gonna give jobs at the end of it you know i'm i'm here for a conversation about a paid post a paid position [breath in] i know i'm only out of college i know i don't have any experience [breath in] and then i said i'll make you a deal [pause] i'll do one week and after that one week on friday i will go away and you never have to call me again if i'm no good and if you want me back on monday then you can call me and ask me back on monday and that's fine and i ended up working there for a year you know so uh there're there're you know you have to kind of think outside of the traditional box i know that's such a cliche [laugh] um ![unclear]/! i hear myself um [laugh] but you know sometimes that kind of thing works listen i'll do x y and z a= and instead of saying no i'm not doing free work i said i'll do x amount and then you can either never hear from me again and that's absolutely fine with me and it's not going to be awkward and i'll just go away 43:21 yeah 43:22 um or if you want to keep me you can pay me you know and often there's negotiations like that to be had that's not a black and white yes and no um you can also get something you know no i can't do six months or i can do a month or i can do whatever i can do a month a day a week i could do six months a day or two a week you know like [pause] see if there's another way around it because they're gonna go in with i want you to work you know sometimes they'll come come at you with i want you to work 100% for free all of the time and you can come back with well i'm not happy with 100 but maybe i can do 50 you know or whatever you know the but try and see what you can get out of it before you move on 44:06 mm definitely and it's always it's kind of i i what i'm hearing from that is like it's knowing your worth and knowing that yes you do need the experience but at the same time you need to eat [laugh] you need to eat you need to have a life [laugh] so it's+ 44:22 =i don't think it was knowing my worth at the time i think it was knowing my lack of a bank balance [laugh] 44:26 [laugh] that too that too you need to eat [laugh] you need to survive so um+ 44:34 = i think i i think i actually said i cannot live on air [laugh] 44:38 literally literally and it's it's would you say that that like a lot of the media industry is like that like it's very precarious in terms of finding ongoing work 44:49 [breath in] [pause] um yeah it can be it depends what kind of work you want to do um [pause] but particularly when you're starting out i think it is more so than when you're established just because [pause] you know you don't know everybody when you're starting out you're not in the club you know um [pause] yeah yeah yeah yeah i can walk into an edit suite now and i can find i can walk on to a production any production i'll find someone that i've worked with before 45:17 yeah 45:17 um and that takes time 45:19 mm 45:19 you know and it it takes time to be able to turn around now and it's uh said i acknowledge also that i am working in a college so i have stable work outside of my freelance gig um so you know i i [breath out] it it's a different story when you're entirely freelance all the time i didn't do that for that long i went from staff job to staff job i was very lucky um [pause] i probably i sho= would have made more money if i was freelance 45:45 [laugh] 45:48 but uh i was more i was in a more stable position being staff so look it's going to be precarious for a while it depends what you choose to do if you can get in somewhere as staff or get in somewhere for a good chunk of time then do [pause] but always be lu= lining up whatever's next line it up as you go along don't wait for the job to end and then go oh god i've nothing you know [pause] you should constantly and this is something i still do constantly look up what's going on are there any jobs coming up um who's doing well keep an eye on linkedin keep an eye you know this new crew database um that's the i think is it [anon_inst240] or [anon_inst44] breath in] are starting up um [pause] is gonna be massive um so you know just keep an eye on the facebook pages in particular a lot you know a lot of kind of um networking goes on on facebook um and keep an eye kind of keep just keep your ear to the ground and don't be afraid if you're in a job for a year or whatever if you know that you know i've been in staff jobs you know i've been at and maybe like you don't have to stay there if something better comes up jump you know and don't be afraid to but again it comes down to [pause] lining things up ahead of time and deciding what you value and what you want to do um it it might mean you know cutting if if you're an editor it might mean taking a job in editing that's a bit boring um and putting your own stuff on the side for a while because you're getting paid by one thing and you're actually doing what you want on the other side 47:25 mm 47:26 so you know like [pause] suit yourself and line it up to do whatever it is you want to do um but you know try and get paid in the meantime [laugh] 47:37 definitely definitely and it's sometimes it's just like compart compartmentalizing [laugh] and prioritizing okay yes this is feeding me i may not like it as much but it's giving me 47:37 yeah 47:37 things i need to do what i need to do [laugh] or what i'm warm and passionate about so um that's important to note as well and this is just a final question before i go into i think we have one question in the q&a but um this final question is like what is one sentence of inspiration a word of inspiration that you'll tell for someone that aspires to [breath in] um become an editor and car= excel in their career 48:09 [breath in] if i can be an editor anyone can [laugh] 48:11 [laugh] 48:11 i i'm not an overly technical person i never planned to be an editor i never uh you know i never um it wasn't my plan it wasn't like i wanted to be a radio producer you know it turns out i don't think i'd be very good at it um [pause] and my you know my path took me on a different way and i you know what i would say to people is [breath out] decide what's important to you is it job security is it money is it creativity is it working on interesting things is it working with people you like is it travel what is it that you ultimately want and you know prioritize that and work towards it and understand that it's kind of a five year plan but [pause] there's more work now in [anon_pl82] than there ever has been in media and it's a great time for trying to get into media in you know people are looking for diverse people you know people are looking for people with mixed backgrounds and [breath in] just you know they're i think they're starting to get funding for it and all that kind of stuff even the [anon_inst240] um program you know like people are actively seeking out people with different backgrounds now for probably the first time ever and also you know they they're starting to actually find people with diverse backgrounds because my college course the course that i'm teaching in i got god i might have like 35 people in a room and 32 of them are white middle class and irish um predominantly male which bothers me [laugh] um but um but that's because we're in the engineering department i think um but don't let any of it put you off i= the media industry and i know that i'm saying this from my position where i am right now [pause] the media industry isn't against diversity they just don't know where to bloody well start with it [laugh] 50:11 yeah mm [laugh] 50:11 and i i think that you know having organizations like [anon_inst46] or [anon_inst47] that like it's giving them um it's giving them somewhere to start and what i would say as well is that you know humans are inherently lazy [pause] um so if you can make it easy for them in any way to hire you then do that and that means stupid tiny stuff like putting your name on the title of your cv so when they save it they see your name and phone number you know so anytime i send out a cv it's [anon_$017] cv my mobile number they don't even have to open it um 50:50 yeah 50:50 it it should be one page your [pause] cover letter you know cover letter email should be you know maybe 10 sentences you know they're they're lazy they're and it's not a bad thing but if you know that then you can kinda nudge yourself towards that you can um shape yourself for that presume that there are 100 people going for every job [pause] presume that they're gonna look at your cv and try to find typos in it and [laugh] try to find an excuse to throw it in the bin is it too long is it too boring is it hard to read um and package yourself in a way that you are you know it's incredibly easy every time you write an email you should have links to your show reel at the bottom or links to your website your linkedin you should list your fu= your email address i know that sounds stupid but instead of hitting reply sometimes they want to copy and paste your email address your phone number you [pause] package it up bite size and make it edible for them and the most just the easiest possible thing and people will hire the easiest possible option [laugh] i know that that sounds [laugh] uh ridiculous but it's very very true 52:00 yeah definitely so it just makes it easier for [laugh] everyone i guess and the most sound person like we said previously as well so it's really important well thank you so much [anon_$017] for uh for the conversation and that's my final question but we have one question here in the um q&a it is have you ever had someone set an unrealistic deadline and how did you manage that conversation around that [pause] 52:27 um try to say it before you're in the middle of it um if they've set an unrealistic deadline if they're saying you know i need a tv show turned around in in three days either you say you can do it and you do it [pause] and you don't sleep [laugh] um or you say you know [pause] that's not realistic it won't get done um i've had this before in that i've known that it's entirely unrealistic and i've i've said it to them ahead of time and i've still signed up for it and there are certain things that you can do you can insist on an assistant for example and say i can do it but i'll need somebody to come in at the end and do all of the graphics i'll need graphics to do all of the credits for me so that i can stick that on um i will need to simplify the process i'll need an assistant to bring in all the footage for me um i'll need someone to come along and do all the blurring um [pause] and you [breath out] if you're going to take on a job like that you set it make it as manageable for yourself as you possibly can if you know it's a job that you're setting up to fail [pause] don't take it because you will be blamed the editor is at the very end of the process and it's kind of the most it's very important to remember that if the budget has run out they'll cut the post production because that's the last thing they're able to cut um they'll try and get people in to work for free or if you know if the schedule has run over then they'll eat into the editor's time and the editor is there to kind of hold the line and go hang on a second you know um but so i would say have a look and make sure it's realistic if it's not flag it with them see if there's any kind of mitigating things that you can put in anything to kind of control that and make it more manageable and if it's just unmanageable then don't take the job if you can avoid it at all 54:21 mm that's+ 54:23 =yeah 54:23 + that's really great advice that's really great advice thank you so much for that question and thank you for the answer [anon_$017] um that's the that's the conversation today guys and i really hope you go= got something out of it i definitely did i'm learning so [laugh] much every week with each [breath in] webinar for [anon_pr98] but it was really great having [anon_$017] along to learn about the life of an editor and really learn about how we can a freelance editor and really learn about how we can um enter into that um career path so again we have the [anon_pr14] for those who want to take part in it the deadline is on the eighth of november and the link will be available to anybody that will want to um take part in it and it's on our website too as well [pause] so that concludes the webinar for today thank you again [anon_$017] for taking part and we will see you next week with a new speaker thank you so much guys bye bye 55:18 thank you transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 [whisper] not on this [pause] okay cool thanks everyone um so yes in terms of our partnership projects what have we got on the horizon let's have a look so the lgbtq plus city labs have now been um agreed in terms of the date so we're looking at the fifteenth sixteenth and seventeenth of february um this won't affect um many of you because i think that they've only asked [anon_$004] and i to um attend those um they're not open to the public so we won't be sharing them in terms of comms or anything like that it might be the case that afterwards or like during the meeting we might want to snap some photos and then talk about it in terms of saying oh this is what we're doing at the moment with all these cool people invited etcetera um at the moment the participants are looking at who they'd like to invite um for that and i i think they're meeting this week to decide that um i've offered some suggestions [tech noise] and [anon_$004] has very kindly offered some suggestions as well so um we just need to get a move on with making sure that they are inviting everybody or if they want us to do it sort of more formally that we do that as soon as possible because it's coming up pretty soon basically it's probably by the time we get to monday it'll be about a month away so for the n= for the sort of level of people that they want to invite um i think it's gonna be really tight and they might not get everybody that they want but um we'll cross that bridge when we come to it and i will make sure that that's all updated [breath in] in all the various planning calendars so that's that one um what else is happening we have got um the youth advisory board uh would like to have a subcommittee meeting to discuss terms of reference um for their main board um and they're looking for that to happen next week on thursday evening um [anon_fn8] [anon_sn5] um one of our board members is going to supervise facilitate and lead on that one um and it is um [anon_fn10] and ![unclear]/! are both um attending we're also going to open it up to the wider board but it's not something that's compulsory so if you would like to attend you're more than welcome um if you'd rather not then that's fine um i think [anon_$002] and i are also gonna sit in on that one so that we've can speak to them about a possible event that might be coming up in the summer i want to say twelfth of august which is around [anon_inst2] um celebrating [anon_ev1] uh we don't have much more information than that [anon_$002] unless you've got any more that's come in since then 2:55 um it's it's the international youth day i think international youth day celebration so that's why um i thought that having the [anon_inst10] kind of [pause] leading on that event especially when they want to be delivering activity would be really great with our support as much as we can um i wanted to ask about the [anon_inst10] and i don't know if this is possible but if maybe [pause] one of them may want to come to the away day [pause] um i mean i think it'd be great if one of them could come uh um i'll i'll talk to [anon_fn10] or maybe even if virtually they can connect for some of the sessions do you know about their time uh [anon_$001] or we just kind of put it open as an open+ 3:42 so most of them i know most of them are either at school or at college or university or working full time so i think at this point we're going to struggle to get them to come certainly to your whole day um it might be the case that we just open it up and say if you'd like to connect for an hour at some point you're more than welcome to uh on the online um but yeah if you could confirm with [anon_fn10] as soon as possible whether+ 4:08 =mm 4:08 +that's something she would want and then i can send an invite email out and we'll just see if people are keen for it or not i think that's probably the best way to play it at the moment+ 4:19 okay 4:19 +um but that'd be really good uh yeah [anon_$003] go ahead oh no you've frozen [pause] oh [anon_$003] [laugh] we'll we'll come back to [anon_$003] when he's back in in real life um in the meantime what else is happening let's have a look um we have [anon_inst3] which was originally something that [anon_fn1] was taking part in the filming of all the sessions obviously now she's uh attending a couple um up until july these are the ones that she [pause] um is able to make because they film on a friday afternoon and her schedule so uh in the meantime we've extended um the offer to [pause] [anon_fn11] [anon_sn6] to say we're happy to find an alternative person to sit in [anon_fn1]'s um seat as it were for the sessions that she can't make uh the first one that they've suggested is um the april one and um we'd like uh [anon_fn12] [anon_sn7] who's our newest member of the board he's a poet um and he's also um a consultant uh in working with people with um [pause] disabilities specifically um people with autism um so uh he would be a really good person so i'm just waiting for him to say yes or no as to whether he's able to do that um on in april and if so i mean you know we can talk about that in terms of uh content around that and sharing that digitally sorry [anon_$003] we lost you did you+ 5:53 ! you did sorry about that /! 5:55 +have a question about the last thing 5:55 ![unclear]/! !vagaries of the internet /! um yeah just quickly about you go back to i i don’t know where you are but if we're talking about the [anon_inst10] uh we have this aspiration which [signal loss] before but to get them into to oversee comms and everything so you know what they can give just to actually kind of sit down for like an hour or something ![unclear]/! time i don't have a direct link to them obviously uh is there any way we can get about the table up next meeting or something [signal loss] where we can actually sign them up uh to specific dates and times ![unclear]/! can uh 6:25 yeah i think the last i heard of it um the ball was in your court to get some uh get an email um put together um of what you want and then we can send that directly out to them and they can respond to you directly so i'm just waiting on that if that's okay for you to 6:42 yeah 6:42 if that’s okay for you to ![unclear]/!   6:43 i’ll do that today yeah i i'll jot a very brief email out just to sort of saying what what um what to expect and stuff and how how to sign up for it but yeah okay i'll send a copy of that to you er ![unclear]/! ! today/! ![unclear]/! 6:54 cool 6:55 the other thing is that on the last meeting they have said they were [tut] interested in some sort of mentoring or um kind of skillshare so uh [anon_$001]’s offered to put together a questionnaire uh i asked [pause] just to find out what sort of skills they may be interested in and what sort of time they have to commit and what they want would like to gain from a mentorship so it wouldn't be like a very um [pause] strict or strict mentorship but i'm talking to [anon_inst1] about structure so we [pause] offer something that has some sort of structure and maybe we can do throughout the year uh so hopefully you'll all want to be involved and can uh one= once we know what it looks like i i'll i'll i’ll ask and see what time you may be able to to give them depending on what skills they want as well to see if we may want to outsource or just ask if anyone outside our organization wants to [pause] give some time to to help mentor a young person um [pause] an= and if you have any good examples of good mentorship for young people i mean you setting up some [anon_$004] with the [laugh] the uh [anon_inst4] ambassadors but yeah if if if you know if if you feel there's anything to share [pause] once we have something in place i can we can have a chat as well before [pause] but maybe that comes you know i think if if there's if they're interested comms in social media blogging uh we can always [pause] also point them out to you that's kind of another way um 8:27 yeah [pause] 8:28 cool lovely um+ 8:29 =![unclear]/! sorry [anon_$001] 8:32 no go ahead 8:33 +i i was just saying uh i suppose this is like a good tester almost ![unclear]/! to get them in uh for for the comms where ![unclear]!/ where we can sort of see how they respond you know ![unclear]/! how how practical the practicalities of it you know how it works ![unclear]/! [signal loss] so so yeah [pause] 8:50 okay cool um then there's a couple of things that have come up um the information about uh [anon_ev2] um and whether we want to do something for that i [pause] think that um you might [anon_$004] have received the email from [anon_fn13] saying that they need information by [pause] seventeenth of january which is this monday my feeling is given the um stuff we talked about about um the [anon_pr5] program as a whole um maybe this is something that we sort of step away from as something that is not doable within the timescale given other commitments what you reckon 9:30 i would agree i think it's a bridge too far um i've only got [pause] kind of direct communication with about half of the group so far and not full permission to use all of that yet anyway so [breath in] there's a few gdpr hoops to jump through which i don't think was going to get [pause] finished by the end of the week 9:47 okay that's no problem i'll go back to [anon_fn13] in that case and say um unfortunately we haven't been able to get stuff um sorted for this one but we're happy to share um and promote stuff when it comes around and um 10:01 =sure do we still do [anon_pr97] i know that's boarded off at the moment but is that= it= do you know if they still do that it's 10:08 it's it’s 10:09 ![unclear]/! 10:09 + before my time um [anon_$003] 10:11 ![unclear]/! 10:11 so i don't know [laugh] [breath in] 10:14 i mean it's simple i i think they’re doing some work on the trambridge ! in fairness /! cos uh uh but it’s all sort of blocked off at the moment but [pause] um 10:22 =i know the um [pause] the projector's still there but it's+ 10:28 is it oh really yeah yeah 10:28 it's not projecting onto the scaffolding so it's 10:31 yeah 10:31 it's definitely not happening at the moment but whether it 10:34 yeah 10:34 comes back when the um when the scaffolding comes down i don't know [breath in] 10:40 ![unclear]/! we could offer that up as a ![unclear]/! dig out some old poem content for that put that up yeah i forgot that was before your time 10:46 yeah 10:46 i think that was the first time i met you at that uh cos you did a poem for them didn’t you 10:50 uh i don't think i did the poem for them but i was at the event the launch event um which ![unclear]/! 10:56 you did no you ga= you said a poem you did your um ![unclear]/! 11:00 mm yeah yeah yeah 11:03 ![unclear]/! 11:03 +yeah no that was ! nice /! [breath in] 11:03 ![unclear]/! and i sort of walked up to you and said oh you should come have a chat with [anon_inst4] 11:07 yeah [breath in] [laugh] and look where that's got me goodness 11:11 look where that got ![unclear]/! [laugh] 11:15 um another thing 11:17 =![unclear]/! 11:18 that's happening um that i'm i'm just picking up a lot of the projects that [anon_fn1] has um either made verbal promises to people about or has um had sort of initial conversations [tech noise] with people and we're just sort of deciding whether or not these are things that are gonna come together um one of those projects i've sent an email to the chap and he said i don't recall having a conversation with [anon_fn1] which is great cos we can take that off our list [laugh] not to do um i've also had a conversation with a lady called [anon_fn2] [anon_sn1] who is a research um person at the [anon_inst1] she's doing a project called [anon_pr1] which is about um animal baiting in early modern england uh linking multiple fields including archaeology genetics theatre history archival research modern performance and wrestling [pause] [laugh] um which sounds exciting she would like in the first instance a link with the um [anon_pr2] um folk so my plan there is to connect her up to [anon_fn3] [anon_sn2] in the first instance um just a reminder of the [anon_pr2] project which is our= something that we're supporting um that the [anon_inst5] um are doing it's a nash= nationwide project um celebrating i wanna say 400 years since shakespeare's death or birth one of them [pause] uh death 12:56 since the publication of the first folio 12:58 oh well there you go and um [laugh] but yes um and it's to do with uh getting um people from various different communities who might not think that theatre and shakespeare is for them uh involved in the creation of plays um and it's a i think it's a two year or a three year project um and the [anon_inst5] are leading it in this region um their next meeting is on the 25th of january which inconveniently is when our away day is happening so we've asked for notes for that and then going forward [anon_$004] i think you've offered to um sit in on those meetings and be that connection so as our theatre bod um that's uh where we are with that one so i'm gonna connect them up she's also asked about um another uh project that she's interested in i might have to sort of say at the moment we're not um we're not gathering new projects to get involved with um so i will [pause] talk to her about that that's not a problem um what else is happening um is there any post on my desk um [anon_$003] [pause] because [pause] we have um ! one more/! 14:18 uh you have ![unclear]/! [pause] want me to open it 14:24 yes please i'm expecting it to be some certificates from the [anon_ev36] coaching that we did last year um just so that you're all aware and this is probably sort of not necessarily for everyone but it's it's something that i'm working on so um [anon_fn3] who is the lady who um yes that's good that's what i wanted marvelous thank you 14:46 okay 14:46 um [pause] she's asked us if we want some more workshops because um i think the amount of money that we um [pause] gave her and the way that the workshops last year fell these were training workshops that we did um [anon_$002] and i were involved [anon_fn1] was involved um and lots of um mid level people from various different arts organizations across the city and in [anon_pl26] um all involved in this um training um mentoring and coaching process um so i'm in the process of trying to find some good dates for that but it's not high up on my agenda um so that's just something that's happening in the background um what else have we got i think [anon_ev5] proposed dates i sent around some um rejigged dates which were um i've sort of split it into two halves so the first half sort of before [pause] um [pause] the firt= the end of august is sort of getting the project up and running finding out who else wants to be involved from other [anon_inst4] um and also hopefully working with the [anon_ev3] to do the regional um part of the [anon_ev5] so we find our participant our person from [anon_pl3] [tech noise] and who will be um slamming in the final and then we've got a little bit of a a gap where we um obviously have to be working on the symposium for the [anon_pr5] project and then we look at sort of a november december sort of timeline for the um the main [pause] big um [pause] international final of the [anon_ev5] um [pause] i asked if anybody had any um other things that were clashing in there that they wanted to just make us aware of and i don't think there is um [pause] but if there if there are or if anybody's thought of anything or if anybody knows of anything big that's coming up that we might need to shuffle this out the way for please do let me know otherwise i'm going to put these in the planning calendar and treat them as if they were um good to go [pause] 17:04 good and it culminates in december doesn't it 17:06 [breath in] that's the plan at the moment yeah so sort of um finish the year on like a 17:12 yeah i like that 17:13 event 17:14 yeah 17:14 yeah i think it'd be nice so 17:18 we can have ![unclear]/! [pause] 17:19 yeah so i think um after i've done [pause] that and put it in all the planning calendars i think the next step is to talk to um some of the [anon_inst4] who've been involved quite heavily in it so obviously um [anon_fn3] in [anon_pl144] who um sort of initiated the project for the thing um and [anon_pl2] and [anon_pl184] who who did this year's competition and just to get a feel for whether the dates that we've gone for make sense and also 17:49 yeah 17:49 um what the timeline is for like prep for getting it all together and ready so i might have to sort out a meeting with them in the next few weeks or so but that's all ![unclear]/! 17:59 talking of which we’ve got i forgot to mention we've got an interview with [anon_fn4] [cough] there's an article coming up soon as well i've i've um commissioned it out to be covered by one of my students as well thought it'd be good experience 18:11 awesome that sounds really good [pause] um yeah so the only other things that we are um looking at at the moment is the uh [anon_pr3] project i've just asked [anon_fn5] if we can get an update on that and i haven't had a response yet um i've also sent an email to [anon_fn2] [anon_sn3] who's at the [anon_inst1] um because she and [anon_fn1] were talking about um [anon_ev35] in may um we don't have any more details on that at the moment i'm hoping that [anon_fn2] will be able to give us some um more information on that and what the timelines are and what [anon_fn1] perhaps has um said that we will do and whether or not that's still feasible given that we're directorless at the moment so um tbc um i've also um from [anon_fn1]'s handover um sent an email to [anon_fn6] [anon_sn4] who's another uh researcher at the [anon_inst1][anon_fn1]'s handover note was not clear on what that project was about so i think it was something in the very initial stages talking about something with spanish speakers and something to do with talking to our spanish [anon_inst4] and it may be just as simple as he wanted the connection with those [anon_inst4] and that's something that we can provide but um i've tried to uh i'm trying to get to the bottom of that one i think at 19:45 yeah 19:45 this point and make a call i think i had an email about that a while ago and and it sounded like we've connected them with the [anon_inst234] in the past+ okay 19:56 so it could be something similar 19:59 okay cool well that's that's very easy to do and and not at all onerous so that'd be really good if that was the case [breath in] um i've also had an email from uh a chap called [anon_fn7] who's doing a project called [anon_pr95] um and that was just before christmas and i sent that across to you [anon_$003] um 20:17 +it’s here and i forgot to action it um i saw your email today uh about it so i will in fact [anon_$005] this might be one for you to take if that's okay i'll pass this on to you um yeah cool he comes accredited doesn't he [pause] 20:34 yes i've worked with him before and he's very um he's very good and this is a topic it's to do with um [pause] the literature and writing and stories of refugees 20:44 [cough] 20:45 and asylum seekers across um the [anon_pl185] uh i think it's a really important thing to be supporting 20:52 yeah absolutely yeah 20:53 as best we can um 20:55 um [anon_$005] this could be one for you to get your teeth into if you fancy um [pause] i'll forward the email to you and sort of see if you can take it from there it's um it it's quite interesting [pause] 21:06 yeah um the only other things are just to let you know that [anon_ev4] we've sent off our requests and i think we're going to know for definite if we've got the books by um i wanna say the first of february um once we know that we can think about what we would like to do on [anon_ev4] which is in april i wanna say 23rd of april mid april anyway 21:32 okay 21:32 um and [pause] yeah we'll see what we want to do last year what we did was we just um did some [pause] stuff around you know um [anon_ev4] on the uh social media and we also uh sent copies of the books out to various different groups of writers in the city um which was really nice actually cos that was common people which was a really good book um this time around we're hoping for some young adult fiction um so if that's the case um it might be that we say to our schools who are on the [anon_pr5] would you like so many copies of this book for your school as part of a you know 22:15 as a quick suggestion could you say is there a book allocated already 22:19 so there are i want to say 12 books 22:22 oh uh yeah 22:22 and you have to put 22:24 ![unclear]/! 22:24 you have to put like your top six in order of preference so there were two young adult books so we've put those as our top two um [pause] and then we uh just sort of [pause] looked at the ones that seemed most interesting after that but i must say and probably this ![unclear]/! doesn't go outside this room there wasn't anything that particularly seemed like super exciting this year so i think yeah 22:49 [laugh] yeah look obv=obviously with a huge degree of bias i was looking for like a good [anon_pl3] based book a bit of [anon_fn137] [anon_sn60] he's got a new one out but hey [breath in] 22:59 yeah well i think that obviously they have to um appeal to the broadest possible audience so that 23:05 =yeah 23:05 makes sense but um+ 23:07 =![unclear]/! [laugh] 23:10 yeah [anon_$004] go ahead 23:13 um so yeah fingers crossed on those two ya titles i think we had spoken before potentially about [breath in] doing something [pause] in the evening into the night potentially somewhere like [anon_pl186] 23:24 mm 23:24 of of using using that [anon_ev4] element of it to do something potentially stargazey and if [pause] he says giving himself more work to do i really want like i love doing sleepovers cos they are such a [pause] unifying event but [pause] that might be again a bridge too far but i think doing something like [pause] books stargazing potentially getting somebody into to do a talk and and and bring some some people there to do [pause] books and [pause] uh beyond the ozone layer he trying to swiftly think of something alliterative um would be would be quite an easy up up and go um and would be useful to do a bit more stuff with [anon_fn21] [anon_sn9] of just going look we can do this and see what happens 24:09 mm yeah definitely so what yeah contingent on i think if we as soon as we know whether we've got the books and if we have got the books um it will be a case of let's get going on this one [breath in] um [tech noise] but yeah that sounds really cool um what else is going on um [pause] we i need to talk to [anon_fn22] at [anon_inst15] about the [anon_pl5] exhibition that they're having later in the year um because we have two cities um in [anon_pl5] that are um cities of culture um and it might be nice to connect them up i we sent [anon_fn22] a message about this in early in december+ 24:55 =![unclear]/!= 24:55 +and we haven't had a response so+ 24:57 =they're both [anon_inst4] yeah= 24:57 +get back on that one 24:59 hm 25:00 ![unclear]/! [anon_inst4] 25:01 i think they might be yeah i think you're right actually yeah um it's [anon_pl187] and [anon_pl1] isn't it 25:07 yeah yeah and we've had good relationships with those in the past before so that'll really really nice it um 25:12 yeah i'm not sure um who is in charge now in either of those places cos+ 25:18 =i 25:18 +i think both of the people+ 25:20 =![unclear]/! 25:20 +that we spoke to before have moved on 25:23 oh have they 25:23 i think so 25:24 somebody from [anon_pl1] is in [anon_pl2] at the moment i saw on twitter [pause] so maybe it's worth checking with [anon_pl2] on [anon_pl1] 25:35 cool yeah no problem but that's sort of we don't know yet so we're not in a position to reach out to either of them cos we don't know actually what the ask is so um i need to get back on that um which is fine um and i think mm i think that might be everything that's happening at the moment [pause] yes um as far as i know that's where we are and any other questions or anything on or anything that's come in that you'd need to pass on to me to look up or deal with 26:12 uh no i figured a radiator out so we're cool literally cool 26:19 mm yeah i've um i've had an inquiry from um [anon_inst17] about some illus= about illustration students taking part in a project uh kind of like an internship um so maybe this is for [anon_$004] or [anon_$003] originally i talked to them about kind of [pause] maybe sketching the literary sites when we were talking about uh the map [pause] idea whether this is something we may want at this stage or not uh maybe it's something for for [anon_$003] and i to decide or maybe it's more useful for them to be involved in [anon_pr5] if there is any any scope for them [pause] to [cough] contribute to the project and to create [pause] content um based on that yeah [anon_$001] 27:05 hmm do we know what the timeline is for them wanting to be involved in something 27:10 um yeah um i think it's april time um let me have a look quick look i knew i needed these details for today [laugh] uh [pause] so i asked if they could [pause] they asked me if if i want uh so illustration project [breath in] so the proposed date for students to share a brief= for employers to share a brief with students with students says 14th of march [pause] and then they they will be presented presenting feedback on 20th of may [pause] 27:45 okay 27:46 so they could 27:46 so how does that yeah how does that fit with other projects [pause] 27:53 yeah maybe there's something about [pause] the mood boosting the [anon_ev9] or we could use it for general comms um if that's something [pause] for the maps i'll i'll talk to [anon_$003] about it and and+ 28:07 =yeah yeah ![unclear]!/ 28:09 + talk about it you you know if you think you have something between march and may [laugh] 28:12 yeah just like yeah 28:14 because it doesn't have to be made if they put together they could put together some graphics for [anon_ev5] you know uh we could just [cough] what what's possible we can just release them later maybe we could do something about the [anon_inst10] um i don't know the detail and how much they'll be working or or the the depth of the project so that's where i need to meet with the um [pause] key researcher or the lecturer um but but i can find out more and and then but if if you think of anything just you know we could use it for content for social media 28:48 yeah sure that's probably just another thing that's just jumped in my mind as well is that i noticed that [anon_inst10] sort of predicted this last week !that/! they're going to get moving with uh their [anon_pr10] scheme um so we got to think of the challenge [tech noise] i think [anon_ev5] seems so obvious to it that we should probably [pause] um [pause] do that just to do it we don't know what type of students we're getting yet or anything like that so we have to second guess a little bit but generally sort of along the lines of partaking in an international poetry competition well we don't say what it is but give too many identifying details away i would say part of the international [pause] collaborative [pause] competition um of some sort and uh we can't say poetry because we have too many identifiers in there so uh yeah i think that'll be a really good one ![unclear]/! it's really interesting one for the ![unclear]/! so we should get some good students 29:42 mm 29:43 just to+ 29:46 =hopefully 29:46 +just to jump in on here cos i've done quite a few of these projects before ones that are linked directly back into somebody's course [pause] are quite tricky to get the outcomes that you want from them [pause] so cos they're trying to show that they can do all these different things on one project which actually+ 30:01 yeah 30:01 +makes it quite tricky to work with so+ 30:04 yeah ![unclear]/! 30:06 ![unclear]/! yeah we've had [anon_pr10] before and and you set them the challenge and they work to+ 30:12 yeah and it's 30:13 +rather than it being something and also+ 30:15 +yeah 30:15 +your ip is different 30:17 =yeah 30:17 =yeah 30:17 we've been doing [anon_pr10] for about five years now so we've got a handle on how it works i think as well so 30:23 yeah 30:24 ![unclear]/! 30:24 =i was thinking more in terms of the illustration ones cos of it being+ 30:26 =oh the illustration ones 30:27 + something that's linked to their course [pause] i think can get quite tricky i've+ 30:32 =yeah 30:32 +i've certainly found that 30:33 =yeah ![unclear]/! that fairly prestrictive in many ways is that you tend to not sort of assume they'll come up with something absolutely marvelous in that time period because they only get they get less than two weeks effectively by the time they're bedded into what we've done and by the time this and then they have to stop and do their presentation so it's more like a week [pause] ahead that they have to work with us of clear work we don't expect them to do super we we always get something put out then or at least get a starting point and they can evidence it e=enough and we can evidence it enough and we're 31:06 mm 31:06 happy with that but yeah we we we're quite good on that one we we we've done we've had some good successes in that before so 31:12 yeah i've done it twice as well at the castle so yeah+ 31:15 oh re= yeah ![unclear]/! 31:16 +and it was really good 31:17 yeah 31:18 well we can explore with illustration students if if it's if it's not demanding for us and they can put together that that we don't have to use [pause] but maybe usable then we can go ahead with it [pause] yeah 31:33 =yeah if it's purely for having some assets we can draw it out every now and then you know get some stylistic drawings of lord byron lord byron's birthday here's our own stylistic picture of me going on an internet trying to find something out 31:47 or even like not necessarily like old writers from [anon_pl3] but just like maybe something like young people like+ 31:56 young ![unclear]/! yeah 31:57 +doing something in the community no no= 32:00 =[unclear] shots for byron's birthday but if someone can do something better then [laugh] why not 32:05 [laugh] 32:05 [laugh] no no there's there must be yeah you're right yeah let's get some new writers 32:10 i mean not necessarily even writers i think it'd be really nice to get some like nice generic images of like people enjoying books um diverse uh readers and writers+ 32:21 yes 32:21 +and performers and things one of the things that um came up with the [anon_ev6] um open mic that we did with [anon_inst16] is that we obviously don't have any uh photos of that happening yet because it hasn't happened yet so it'd be really nice to have like somebody with a microphone or you know somebody reading from a lectern or like some people enjoying a performance or something or like a generic audience going 'yay' or something like that so that 32:49 mm 32:49 if we come to those places or those events where we need an image um and we just want stock photos 32:57 yeah ![unclear]/! cos obviously getting the rights and getting the [pause] are normally a headache so yeah you could just get them to draw a load of kids reading books 33:05 yeah some nice images like that so that we've got something for you know in the bag for+ 33:12 [cough] yeah 33:12 +for those kinds of situations might be nice as well so [pause] okay 33:17 with that though i will just say that that getting a good ip agreement with the students and with [anon_inst17] is really useful because we fell into loads of ![unclear]! traps around it being work they're doing for their course and where that ip sits and where ongoing usage can go with that of them being able to take that into their um emerging careers as well it's it's it's trickier than you'd think i had far too many meetings with legal at [anon_inst17] about it 33:45 yeah [laugh] i i think if we yeah that'd be thrashed out beforehand i suppose that !we sort of talked about them design/! is like what we're doing with ![unclear]/! uh if anything they do belongs to us as a business agreement sort of thing cos it's it is them working for us as opposed to working to say a freelancer for us we're actually 34:03 mm 34:03 pushing them to get a taste of real world experience so [pause] 34:06 mm 34:06 we should yeah obviously we'll take a look at that but we should be able to get it [pause] 34:11 okay [breath in] i think that's everything um i'm just gonna stop the recording now transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 [pause] [laugh] i had one of these today teams wasn't letting me record so i had to switch to zoom and i felt like such a grandma cos it took me so long [breath] 0:10 [laugh] 0:10 i i was like i looked really badly prepared for this interview i was doing i just felt so silly um yeah 0:17 [pause] mm okay so um everyone's okay [pause] okay um let's go through the agenda then [anon_pr5] [anon_$004]'s not here does anyone have any [breath in] updates on [anon_pr5] [tech noise] 0:36 no [pause] 0:37 do we know anything if [anon_$004]'s managed to send books to the schools [pause] 0:45 i want to say it didn't happen 0:47 no cos he's not been to the office last week [pause] okay all right well we'll check with him next week [laugh] [anon_pr4] 0:56 um yeah we just had a i just hijacked the start of the meeting to mention the stuff in the emails just now we had a team meeting last week what happened we had a project meeting i don't think there's too much to report back on there i'm just going through the data a bit still cos i'm having to translate some of it into english um so i'm just doing that and then i guess there's the workshops on the local side of things that= we've got a venue booked like [anon_inst7] was cheaper than [anon_inst6] um and it's probably better because it's in town [pause] i would say 1:44 yeah it's very nice it's i think it's very friendly uh as well um i i don't know i feel it's less intimidating than [anon_inst6] which is like a kind of wide cube black box 1:56 yeah yeah so that's good and i spoke to= um i spoke to [anon_fn14] yesterday about the budget because [pause] i think there is quite a lot of money there but obviously because we originally proposed an additional kind of um evening event whether it would be um cheeky or bad to reallocate some of those funds towards the workshop and she was= she basically said no it's fine because as long as you're spending the money on something that the university will think is worthwhile use the money otherwise it just ends up going like back to [anon_inst8] and i think that gives us quite nice scope to have the kind of concrete output in the form of a zine i think+ 2:46 yeah 2:47 +and i think has [anon_$004] had been quoted for a zine production+ 2:52 =yeah= 2:52 +quite recently so+ 2:53 =yeah= 2:53 +i guess when [anon_$004] is back have a chat with him about the kind of costs [anon_$005] 3:00 [pause] yeah [anon_$003] and i were talking about this uh uh yesterday monday about um some of the like plans he'd made for budgeting for marketing and we wondered maybe like whether they could be put towards things like i think like you suggested free books [anon_$002] or something like that so like making the incentive to attend the workshops like even bigger rather than just spending lots of money on posters if we're actually going to be targeting very niche groups we could easily just go to a community group or go to a society and say come along rather than sticking posters everywhere but i don't= i don't know 3:36 =oh as in like giving the participants a kind of goodie bag with books in 3:43 [pause] yeah so selling it as like the thing that we're um putting marketing money towards i mean a like the zine because i guess that kind of counts as marketing+ 3:53 mm 3:53 +um but also thinking like [pause] you know if we're= yeah if we're getting very niche groups we can go on little= i don't know tour around the different community centers or to different society meetings the universities and say come along we're going to give you= you're going to have these brilliant workshops we're also going to give you a load of free books um or this goodie bag or something like that and that would be the drive to attend rather than a fancy poster 4:20 okay [tech noise] i think the goodie bag idea would work cos it would be easy to justify to the university i'm not sure what they're going to say if we say oh we're using some of your money to give books to community groups if that makes sense i'm not sure what they would say to that 4:38 oh i mean more like give them= so give them to the people who are attending the workshops 4:43 yeah 4:44 but going to community groups to sell the workshops to them 4:49 yeah there could be a way who would do that though [laugh] 4:52 =i guess [anon_$003] ![unclear]/!= 4:53 =that's what i'm thinking it is people like that is quite an arduous task that is all+ 4:58 =yeah 4:58 +i'm thinking um 4:59 =yeah 5:00 but it is something to consider like maybe some kind of alternative means to using social media to approach potential target audiences yeah yes !unclear there/! 5:10 yeah yeah i think we're definitely thinking like um [breath in] a like printing lots of posters or flyers something like that wouldn't necessarily sort of line up with our environmental values but also it's um not necessarily something that we want uh everyone to see it's something that we want niche groups to see in the community [pause] i think+ 5:31 =i think 5:32 +if i'd understood it correctly 5:33 i think yes but i also think maybe i can see that as a good way of targeting people however that also to me [pause] that uh= this is kind of a weird way to look at it but by going and explicitly targeting those groups or like the one thing that comes to my head is that it makes the idea of multilingualism seem con= confined to communities and to defined groups whereas+ 6:01 yeah 6:02 +that to me like multilingualism is present everywhere do you see+ 6:06 mm 6:06 +what i mean 6:07 mm 6:07 so i can also i can see the value of both i can see the value of having that targeted approach but uh maybe striking somewhere between the two because i think maybe putting something up in a more general space that's not kind of i don't know a named community space like a polish community space putting it in i don't know a space that you might associate as being like a i don't know an english speaking space even though that's not the reality of probably any space+ 6:34 mm 6:34 +if that makes sense so i think it's a good idea but it's also being careful not to maybe see the only place we're going to find multilingual speakers was within these very defined community groups if that makes sense 6:45 yeah yeah of course= 6:46 =maybe i'm talking shit 6:48 =no i completely get what you mean= 6:49 =but yeah i think both appr= oh god this is being recorded oh well um uh [laugh] but yeah i think both have their merits so i think that is something to definitely explore but+ 6:59 mm 6:59 +i wouldn't want that to be the only way we do it if that makes sense 7:02 yeah definitely yeah 7:03 =yeah and i think i mean [anon_$007]'s done this with [anon_pr6] um uh because one of the other suggestions was to do [pause] um just to do some facebook ads that you could put on instagram and then because you can tar= you can you can [breath in] you can make it very targeted you could put in that you could make the audience that are interested in languages and and you know you could make it like that and with the goodie bags what i was saying to [anon_$007] was that you know if you= if we wanted to give some books that are kind of [pause] focused on multilingualism whether they're novels or whatever that= that's kind of a nice thing for those that go to the workshops 7:03 yeah i think= 7:04 =i also think um sorry can i just say for [anon_pr6] we made these activity packs which were great um but again it was a= it was a long task and a huge chunk of money and i'm not sure that maybe we should kind of go jumping into making an activity pack before we've got a facilitator cos it might be that the facilitator wants to you know get nice postcards and images of different places and use those as prompts like they might have their own ideas um which probably could be done on a budget like a lot of facilitators do quite simple prompts and i agree with [anon_$002] that ads when i was doing the evaluation for the last project were really like the best thing for getting people in the facebook ads in particular um and instagram ads um google ads less so but facebook and instagram were i think a good way to use the money 8:36 yeah and we realized that a lot of young people saw it on facebook because their adults [laugh] saw it parents uncles uh teachers that so again it's it's good to put it on and and we could test it again just put 30 pounds to begin with and then see if we need any more it may be enough just to do that 8:57 yeah i think yeah yeah that all sounds great like marketing stuff is something i am really not familiar with so i'm prepared to and open to any ideas would be would be interesting um what was= be interesting to know if there are any= this might be something that you know or it might even be something that [anon_fn2] will know because of her work with [anon_inst9] and stuff but if there are any collections of writing that are maybe some written in the original but with the translation alongside it and things like that might be quite nice to have as kind of um things to give to participants i think so you've got that multilingual= you've got that multilingual side to it there's something off the top of my head did [anon_pl2] do something with [anon_pl1] with [anon_pl1] [pause] that was poetry and translations between kurdish and english and there was something published 9:51 that's ringing a bell for me too i think that was the [anon_ev34] 9:55 because i guess there are+ 9:56 =!unclear/!= 9:56 +links between multilingualism and translation and i think that things like that would be quite nice things to put in [pause] to have as kind of things to give to participants that kind of [pause] cos uh i would imagine the people that will be attending even if they maybe i don't know if they speak like polish and english then if they're attending they're still going to be interested in maybe language and translation and that says things like that might be quite nice we could see what the [anon_inst4] networks have as a means of a) promoting the network but b) also using resources that are produced from their projects too so+ 10:34 =yeah= 10:34 +that might be a nice way to do it 10:36 yeah at my= at my my old work there they they have just opened an exhibition it's called uh in wha= in which language do we= do we dream something like that+ 10:46 =oh was this in [anon_pl7]= 10:48 +yeah+ 10:48 =okay= 10:48 i've not seen it but i think it's one of these interesting things because you know like i my my native language is spanish but i dream in english and [laugh] spanish and and it may be something interesting for people that are multilingual in knowing i don't know i'm sure that we can find things we can ask [anon_$003] because he= i think he's the one that [laugh] knows the most in terms of like within the team in terms of [anon_pl3] writers uh but we could ask other people and i guess once we had the facilitator they may have some ideas as well 11:18 =yeah= 11:18 because it 11:18 =that would be a cool prompt though wouldn't it writing about dreams or even using that as a discussion point i mean i've had really weird dreams before where really big like typical like stereotypical like ukrainian men are like chasing me [laugh] 11:33 yeah 11:34 yeah just wi= like weird dreams um yeah in different languages um that would be really cool but that exhibition sounds good i'm gonna check that out 11:43 yeah it just opened so it maybe was= maybe a good point of research i guess 11:48 yeah research trip i might do that thank you yeah that's cool but yeah that's i think that's what's the main thing with [anon_pr4] at the minute getting [pause] the bits sorted out that we've just been discussing over email and getting the workshop sorted me just carrying on with this data analysis for the= for the project itself that we've collected from the partners 12:11 okay [breath in] and so so the facilitator's role is that ready to go out or are we recruiting for that already 12:19 i think it's fourth of april [anon_$005] yeah 12:22 yeah 12:23 okay ooh can i add one more thing sorry [laugh] um i= this is probably of interest to a) to [anon_pr4] but maybe also to [anon_inst4] more generally i spoke to an academic yesterday for my other job um she works at the [anon_inst24] but is working on an [anon_pr11] project that is about nature and storytelling [pause] which i think is quite relevant i have the information+ 12:55 =[!unclear]/! 12:55 and it's about a= i think they're using gallic culture and also southeast asian culture but i do have a link to the project um but it might be a) just a general interest but b) with the whole kind of nature side of things i know that that's something with the environmental kind of angle so i can send you information about that when i find it i think you might be interested so+ 13:17 =yeah+ 13:17 =yeah= 13:17 +looks like something we want to get involved with potentially 13:20 yeah or even just kind of crossovers or chats with people i think so yeah that's it sorry um [laugh] so much to say 13:28 we were talking to [anon_fn15] about that today actually this morning [anon_$003] and i 13:33 okay 13:34 +definitely think it'd be really interesting 13:36 yeah ![unclear]/! [searching for something] my inbox is a mess but i will= i'll pass the link on to when i've= here it is yeah it's called [anon_pr7] [pause] but it also links to science so there's storytelling and science which i think is quite cool too um yeah 13:56 okay yeah all right anything else [anon_pr4] 14:01 no i'll shut up now 14:03 okay [anon_pr8] um i think nothing's happening with that i can't imagine anything will happen until [anon_inst202] is submitted now [anon_inst202] planning um [pause] well there's not really much progress at the moment um [lip smack] we have put together the creative program for 2022 to 2026 for a draft from [anon_fn1] and from conversations between [anon_$007] [anon_$004] and i uh and we've put it together for for [anon_fn2] and we need= we just need to know what [anon_fn2] kind of wants to do moving forwards and we can't really do much of the [anon_inst202] planning at this stage until we [laugh] know what the creative program is going to be like specially for the first two years so i think we know what's happening this year to november december [pause] um [pause] and then we= we just uh we= we don't know [laugh] so we just need to wait uh [anon_fn2] is on holiday this week she has kindly taken the creative program but i ca= i don't expect to hear from her until next week um and i think once we know hopefully we can budget and [pause] move on with the application i have put together the questions for the application as well uh in a= in a google doc and i i have asked um= because we have the board meeting next week so i've asked [anon_fn16] if if the board wants to see the questions i don't know if they want to see them because there's no answers to them just yet [breath in] but um yeah and we've put together= [anon_$007] has put together a survey for the board that is the last question of the application in terms of ethnicity of the leadership team um [pause] and yeah i mean i don't think there's anything more at this stage the creative program [anon_fn2] just wants us to focus on [anon_inst202] at the moment uh so we're dropping the= we're not looking at the gap project uh until we know what what's happening with [anon_inst202] and we have [pause] what two or three weeks for [anon_fn2] to join us which is great [laugh] uh i think she wants to have the application on a draft but it doesn't seem like very long so we'll just see what happens um and yeah i don't think there's anything else to report on [anon_inst202] [pause] that's it [pause] uh [anon_inst10] [pause] you have any updates [anon_$007] [pause] 16:43 ![unclear]/! no we've had the agenda sent through um and i've kind of it was sent through bless them on like a screenshot of an image that had then been put in a word document so i typed it up [laugh] um and but apart from that it all looks quite good and i think like [anon_fn17] seems confident to lead the meeting um rooms all booked and i think is it me and you attending [anon_$002] 17:09 yeah 17:10 yeah um and there's lots of kind of nice little projects in the background that we can talk to them about then like the [anon_pl4] project [anon_pl5] um [breath] [pause] other things [laugh] oh the [anon_ev6] um i want to find out what they're doing with the [anon_ev6] um cos i haven't heard much from them about that so i'll make a note 17:31 um 17:31 ![unclear]/! at that meeting as well 17:32 =yeah yeah we need to remind them to well now that we've sent the google drive for them and they all have access to it that their agendas can just go in that [laugh] maybe we need to do a quick kind of training of what= well not training but just show them what it looks like 17:49 yeah 17:49 on next week um [lip smack] and yeah and [anon_$005]'s been working on the recruitment pack [pause] anything else to report on that [anon_$005] 18:00 =well well it's pretty much i was just i was just looking at some emails from [anon_fn9] but uh yeah it's pretty much all done now i managed to slightly painstakingly copy what um [anon_inst11] had done block by block rather than screenshotting it because it's really low quality if you do that but [laugh] it wasn't too difficult to be honest it just took like the whole afternoon yesterday [laugh] um but i mean one thing i wanted to ask everyone is if everyone's okay for me to put their photos in the pack so i've got like a meet the team page and then the meet the youth board page is everyone alright if i just take the ones from the website and then make= cool so i'll do that um i did actually have an email from [anon_fn9] uh today saying that they will finalise the deadline in the meeting which makes me think that the recruitment pack won't actually go out until after they have their board meeting um which is fine by me it's ready to go when they want it um yeah it's just about i think their expectations of recruiting cos i think uh i didn't know what i thought their expectations i mean i was supposed to have it out a bit earlier were a little bit too much in terms of how quickly in a short space of time we're going to get people to apply um and i wonder cos it's just you know run up to exams for a lot of people who are still at college and school it's going to be busy i don't really know how many applications they're going to get around march april may time um+ 19:29 =![unclear]/! 19:30 +that might be something to raise i think at the meeting about um when they want the deadline to be yeah [tech noise] 19:37 =i mean i think that the dates i proposed that i think i put 25th of april for the um the deadline and i think this is something we could extend for a week but that means they'll have if if it's out next week= well it won't be out next week because you won't be around [laugh] when we have the board meeting but if it's out on the 10th um we could just see how many applications we get in those two weeks and if not extend it for another week but it'll be the easter holidays so again will will people look at it more or less i don't know [laugh] um 20:11 =they'll be revising probably [laugh] but uh maybe they'll have more time to do i think i think two weeks is a good amount and i think also like you don't want it to be too long because it'll just get lost and there won't be an urgency to apply but= 20:24 ![unclear]/! [tech noise] 20:25 =i think that'd be a good date 20:26 yeah and i think in the next meeting we'll need to= if if they want to meet with the uh applicants [pause] at a certain point we'll need to figure out what the those dates are but i have put them uh april may so then they can attend the june meeting as observers uh and i think that's probably not a bad timeline but they can be very specific if if= and also if they want us to be uh on the= say if they want= they were saying interview people i don't know how formal they want to do it but i don't feel like it should be very formal [laugh] um 21:03 =also it depends on how many applications they get i guess because if they+ 21:08 =yeah= 21:08 +only get five don't really need to interview everybody do you know how many people they= we are recruiting for how many extra people [pause] i haven't= just a general call out 21:19 i don't i don't know if they wanted maybe five 21:23 i'll make a note to ask at the end 21:25 =are they expanding the team or are people who haven't been attending gonna be like= biased from it or= 21:32 =i think some people moving on like [anon_fn19] [anon_fn20] well [anon_fn19]'s at uni already i think [anon_fn20]'s going and= 21:40 =yeah they= they've lost some members and i think um in the terms of references= reference it says after three= if you miss three meetings then a wellbeing kind of representative will talk to you just to check you're okay but if you if you don't respond i think at that point you= you're not really expected to attend anymore um i think that's what they want to do moving forward but i= i feel like they only have like five or six regulars at the moment so they lost quite a lot and i kind of think maybe they said they wanted 12 um just doesn't sound like a bad number a board our main board has 11 i think so [tech noise] yeah we'll just have to see and just check what the terms you know are we expecting them to stay for a year three years five years until they turn 25 [laugh] you know how long are they meant to serve [pages turning] um or is it= i think there's= maybe there's a review after a year but then again someone will have to do that [pause] um [pages turning] yeah so well let's see what happens next board meeting and [pause] we'll just take it from there [pause] uh [pause] [anon_pr82] [anon_$005] 22:55 [pause] yes so the big thing for this week is finally april fool's um [pause] which feels a bit sad to be rounding that up now but it was like just a silly project so monday um [anon_$003] and myself went out uh hit the town with a um jarvis cocker mask that now lives in the office um but [anon_$003]'s also got his own one and we took photos of him in the [anon_inst12] we had to kind of negotiate our way in though cos i think like there hadn't been= the person who we're talking to hadn't told um front desk staff and so we had to like convince her to let us in but eventually she did and we got one of the actors to take a photo and then we went to the [anon_inst13] and then we went to the [anon_inst14] as well um so it should be+ 23:43 =oooh i saw these tweets [laugh] 23:47 +quite funny [tech noise] 23:48 okay 23:48 the anti [anon_pl6] slander is so fake 23:49 it's awful isn't it 23:50 =the !children/! that that click on the girls they fancy !that's/! exactly what it is love [anon_pl6] 23:58 yeah i+ my granddad's from [anon_pl6] so i have to claim a bit of [anon_pl6] too so i'm like it's less personal to me than you but yeah this is quite something 24:08 i know [laugh] i'm not from [anon_pl3] or [anon_pl6] and i'm getting very emotional= 24:12 [laugh] ![unclear]/! 24:11 but um yeah it should just be fun um i sent an email out yesterday to a load of like um press in [anon_pl6] and was like this was a joke we're not trying to be mean and then we're saying let's have a cultural dialogue let's chat about it more it should be fun and i also said oh by the way our director's from [anon_pl6] so we're not we're not trying to bully you or anything um yeah so that's happening on friday um we finally got the external drive so i've now put everything on there onto google drive so we now got digital backups and it's actually there's= it's like a goldmine there's so much in there so it should actually make uh us making our own assets super easy like i was looking [anon_$002] on the topic of um pop up banners they've got things like= they've got like [pause] these but pictures and i thought like that would make a really nice pop up banner cos it's just a really simple nuetral graphic and then they've got um like collages of photos from [anon_inst4] throughout the years so it should make life a lot easier now not having a digital partner for us to just do things on our own and then hire a freelancer when we want to create new assets um so that's a really good step now that we've got that um [anon_fn9]'s coming into the office next week i think [anon_$003] and i thought we can try and get her to write an article so we can start building this like collection of voices from the youth board and the blog um we were trying to think about i think sh= i kind of get the idea that she's more interested in like the project side of what we do so we were trying to think of how we could get her to write a piece um if anyone's got any ideas about what might inspire her to write something 25:58 she= she's ![unclear]/! [anon_ev6] with uh [anon_fn26]+ 26:02 =yeah 26:02 +so she could write about that+ 26:05 =yeah that would be good 26:06 + and where they see [anon_ev6] [anon_ev6] going i don't know maybe dream big where= where would= what they'd like to do with it 26:15 yeah we were thinking something like um get her to write uh a manifesto for the future or something like that for= um for [anon_ev6] or for us or something like that um yeah we don't know ![unclear]/! ended up writing ![unclear]/! but i think that was mainly because he sort of um had time to do it so um yeah we'll just see how that goes uh we had [anon_fn15] [anon_sn12] come in this morning to talk about her new book that she's releasing [anon_pub1] which is getting released in may i think um and she was definitely up for just doing whatever you know publicity wise that we can think of so she's really into getting involved with the youth board um obviously like the usual social media stuff um [pause] i think even= we even thought maybe if [anon_$004]'s open to it she could come to some of the [anon_pr5] events and be a s= you know as we were saying before [anon_$002] be that like image of this is where you could be in 10 years time because we started with that and look where [anon_fn15]'s got now um so that was really good and she was just super lovely and really nice to see her cos i've heard so much about her 27:28 yeah [anon_$001] i think [anon_$001]'s read the book and she said it's excellent 27:32 yeah she sent us the manuscript and the the first poem was really visceral but really really good it was yeah quite creepy but yeah and she said it's also really nice to write stuff for herself because everything she's done before has been like commission so like prince harry or the christmas lights or something like that and this one is actually like a reflection of herself and her own experiences and she doesn't feel kind of [pause] pressure to write what everyone wants now which is really nice to hear um yeah and then the only other thing is that [anon_$003] and i are going to be writing the newsletter this afternoon so last call out for anything if anyone wants anything on there and i was going to ask a few of you actually whether you know what's happened with the payment of the membership because last time i was on there it said that our membership had expired but i don't know whether that's just not been updated or not sorted i'm not sure 28:27 the membership for 28:29 uh mailchimp 28:30 mailchimp 28:30 mm 28:31 i don't know but i can find out so did you use it last month 28:36 uh no because [anon_inst11] ![unclear]/! for us last month 28:41 okay and then this month [pause] you logged in and it says it's out of date 28:45 think so yeah 28:46 okay 28:47 =i also noticed ![unclear]/!+ 28:48 =i guess anon_fn7= do you have anon_fn7's personal address now his personal email address 28:54 um i think he= yeah i think he sent it round he was being tricky a couple of weeks ago with actually replying he doesn't think that he has any any ownership over it and it lo= um [anon_$003] and i were looking it looks like i said [anon_$003] it could be somebody else but it it looks like it might be like the youtube situation again 29:11 mmm ![unclear]/! 29:12 with= 29:13 the one i used to use with the newsletter it was like it was again like everything was making it very much+ 29:19 yeah 29:19 +and we had very little kind of [pause] actual power at the root of it 29:24 yeah 29:24 um so i would literally just write the newsletter in a google doc sent it to [anon_fn27] at [anon_inst11] and she would do all the survey mon= uh not survey monkey [laugh] mailchimp stuff+ 29:35 =yeah 29:35 +so i i don't really know any of like the back details or anything i guess it would be anon_fn7 that would+ 29:40 =yeah that's what i assumed but he said it's not him so 29:44 well wh= who do you know who can log into the account who= 29:48 =yeah so i can log in because i took over [anon_$001]'s account uh and i now made that a contact us one um the only problem is is that it has to= they have like a extra security measure where it comes to someone's phone so they send a pin to my mobile number which i then will have to give to whoever wants to log in um through the contact us i think the the only way that we can resolve that is if we have like an organization phone or company phone or something 30:16 i've got a company phone 30:18 you've got one okay yeah 30:21 ![unclear]/! phone uh i think= i've done= i had to change the ownership of a mailchimp account before in my previous job so as long as one of us is the owner that's= 30:34 =yeah= 30:34 i don't know if anyone can input uh the card details 30:38 i'll have to check um 30:40 yeah you= 30:41 they've got like different layers different hierarchies of ownership and it's like you've got a manager and then an editor and this that and the other 30:47 yeah but one person is the owner so you have an an owner 30:50 yeah think i think that might be [anon_fn7] but he said it's not him so 30:55 does it= when you log in does it say the email address of the owner does it say [anon_fn7] 31:01 uh it says uh i'll have to log in quickly [pause] 31:06 yeah take a look cos um if if= 31:08 =yeah i'll have to update you on that later cos it takes a while !unclear/! 31:13 i think that you could if there were problems with [anon_fn7] changing the ownership because what what may need to happen is that [anon_fn7] needs to login um give the ownership to someone else [pause] uh+ 31:27 =yeah= 31:27 +then that owner can delete [anon_fn7] um and but but with with mailchimp i think it's not going to be as difficult as you to like if [anon_fn7] wasn't doing it we can claim [pause] we can claim it with mailchimp i i'm pretty sure because you know they they'll want money [laugh]+ 31:45 yeah 31:45 +they're gonna pay+ 31:48 mm 31:48 so i mean they're a business so i think um= 31:51 yeah so [anon_fn7] is down as the primary account contact um [pause] but it's with the contact us email address the contact us at [anon_pl3][anon_inst4] um [pause] i just have to find= [pause][searching] i can't quite remember where to find the list where it tells you who's actually got access to the account but it is somewhere 32:17 if i try [tech noise] [anon_fn7] is down as the primary owner i'd maybe just like send him a screenshot of it and say look sorry you think you're not but you are um and+ 32:26 yeah 32:26 +can you just log in and change it 32:28 yeah [pause] i'll do that again yeah i did that a couple of weeks ago and um didn't get anywhere i have a feeling that i think we can actually change the billing information um from my account 32:42 [tech noise] yeah 32:45 yeah you can so we can still pay for it um but we don't ow= own it yet which is annoying because i wanted to add you [anon_$007] a couple of weeks ago and this is where i kind of discovered the whole ownership thing in the first place 32:57 well shall i log in through the contact us address and update the details 33:01 yeah i'll log out now 33:03 okay if you email me the um the login details i'll just do that and update the the 33:08 yeah and i'll just i'll just sort it out with my phone ![unclear]/! [tech noise] cool 33:10 =well we still need to claim that ownership anyway 33:15 mm yeah 33:17 whether [anon_fn7]= yeah if if i think if you do what [anon_$007] says just do a screenshot if it shows that [anon_fn7] is the owner and if he's not [pause] and if he doesn't respond [pause] there must be a way to claim it through mailchimp 33:30 yeah [pause] okay 33:33 anything else [anon_pr82] 33:34 um [pause] no not at the moment 33:39 okay um partnership projects [anon_$007] 33:44 [pause] yep um the first one is uh kind of a new one actually i had someone from the [anon_inst1] [anon_pl8] campus reach out um and they want to put on a little exhibition whether online or um in person they're not sure yet about [anon_pl3] writers um so i haven't chatted to them much yet but they've looked at our website and they like our page where we've kind of listed [anon_pl3] writers and they've asked if they can have permission to use that information um so i'm just going to say yes because it's just just literally like biographies of dh lawrence and things not stuff we own um but i'm gonna say yeah and then have a chat with them a bit more about how maybe we can get involved in their exhibition if it's online um yes [anon_$006] 34:35 do you think it's worth bringing this up with maybe like [anon_fn23] [anon_sn10] or someone at [anon_inst1] to just i don't know to+ 34:43 =yeah just to check if they ![unclear]/!= 34:44 make it more formal+ i don't think checking but to formalize it more and then it might i think she coordinates the partnership between [anon_inst1] and [anon_inst23] but maybe i don't know get her in the loop just cos then you might get more support for it too+ 34:58 =yeah= 34:58 +if that makes sense 35:00 good shout 35:01 yeah can we be linked to the chinese right right now as well+ 35:05 =yeah= 35:05 +if it's if it's in may and that's already happening and there's gonna be um it's not specific about [anon_pl3] but there will be= it's a blended uh festival uh and then there's gonna be links to join from anywhere [laugh] 35:22 great yeah ![unclear]/! 35:23 =in the university's [anon_inst25] is involved in that as well as [anon_inst15] 35:29 yeah and i just think maybe letting the steering !unclear/! because if it goes to [anon_fn23] the steering board will know and i think it's good to keep them in the loop cos then they might also find ways to support [pause] it happening as well which+ 35:42 =yeah= 35:42 +will save you probably time and effort too potentially 35:45 i don't know much about it yet at all and it might be that actually it is already a collaborative project 35:50 =yeah yeah= 35:51 for two= for the two campuses um and i think they're kind of looking at us as an external organization like literally all she wanted to do was take some information from our website um so i think i'll just go back to her and check go and get some more details 36:03 =yeah yeah 36:05 um so only really heard for her today but she seems nice um and yeah i'll make sure to ask if she's in touch with [anon_fn23] as well 36:12 yeah [pause] and make sure everyone that could be aware of it is because then you might get more from like more help or more yeah maybe you might get more help or some money or something i don't know but 36:24 good good idea um the [anon_ev7] exhibition that is one that we've been speaking to [anon_fn28] about um and she is kind of happy for me to move forward with that we've confirmed a budget so hopefully we can get the youth board involved with [anon_ev7] exhibition um [breath in] i'm just waiting on [anon_fn28] now to get back to us and see kind of exactly what she wants and i'm going to have a phone call with her it was meant this week but haven't heard back so maybe next week um so should have more of an update on that soon um oh there's something at= [anon_inst16] are doing an [anon_inst28] um webpage for opport= creative opportunities for people seeking sanctuary in [anon_pl3] so i mean i'm sure we've got a few kind of things kicking about that would be appropriate for that i was thinking maybe the multilingualism workshops might be a good shout or something we could pop on there um i had a look at the sheet before and they've got things like conversation classes um but then they also have more kind of i don't know like corporate-y type things like not corporate but more things that you might pay for but you're not paying for like art classes and things um so i think we probably put the multilingualism workshops on and if anyone's got any ideas for other um opportunities for people seeking sanctuary um let me know 37:55 is that for now or cos [anon_ev8] is happening 37:59 yeah i can pop that on it's kind of things that are coming up so i think [anon_ev8] will be fine [pause] um and then the other thing is [anon_ev5] i've been putting together a project sheet for that this morning and the budget um and will report back to you next week once i've sorted out the budget and stuff but i think that will be fairly simple it's not a huge budget but i think it will be enough to kind of put on a nice local event get kind of ten or so [anon_pl3] poets up and hopefully we can do some fundraising through that as well um i was looking at the [anon_ev5] event last year and we charged i think five pounds for entry to the local heat um which if we sold enough tickets might be a nice kind of little boost of cash um so yeah once i've kind of formalized that a bit more as well i can talk= 38:58 =yeah i i think depends on where where we're running the projects there's some local funding we could potentially apply for so we could we could 39:04 ![unclear]/! 39:04 =take a look and see 39:07 okay 39:07 =um there is uh the holiday activity fund uh that we can apply for as well and i was looking at [pause] what activities taking part in or we're doing in the summer and there's= i know we've got the youth um [anon_ev9] that [anon_$004]'s planning that's one day but say if with [anon_ev5] you were thinking we can get [anon_fn29] from last= you know [anon_fn29] [anon_sn13] doing workshops over the summer we could cos i know um uh [anon_fn1] applied for that funding and she's put some of it towards [anon_ev10] um last year so we could but it= the activity needs to happen over the summer when it's for under= under 18s 39:50 yeah that's the thing i suppose [breath in] i was wondering about haf funding but yeah i think [pause] because it's targeted at everyone um i don't know how we could spin it to make it seem like a kids' holiday project i suppose again we get the youth board involved [laugh] um [pause] 40:14 yeah we could= you and i can have a chat about it i think+ 40:17 yeah 40:17 +![unclear]/! so the application's open now and i was looking yesterday at you know the the pack so we can have a look at it 40:25 okay [pause] um and that's it for me in partnership projects 40:32 okay well so i have a question about [anon_ev4] um now that you have the= they didn't send any posters right 40:40 no they haven't sent it yet um but it could arrive anytime from mid march to eighth of april [pause] so if we haven't had anything by next week i'll get in touch with [anon_ev4] 40:52 okay and and [anon_$005] do you think we could get like that popup banner done maybe [pause] or 40:59 =yeah i think [anon_$003] and i are going to look at um some options today but i think given the assets we've got i don't think you need to get a designer to do anything um [pause] because there's stuff that we could easily turn around so pop up banner definitely um i'm less sure whether we're going to get anything done with ![unclear]/! or ![unclear]/!um i can try emailing his publicist again but i have a feeling that they're both off with covid because they both got we're sick out of office emails from them last week so um yeah i don't know how likely it is that we'll have that which is a shame but i guess not vital for [tech noise] the marketing of that 41:36 mm with the pop up banner i think probably need to get it done sooner rather than later i don't know how long they take to make but i'd imagine kind of by the end of this week or early next week it'd be good to have kind of+ 41:49 yeah 41:50 +shown them designs 41:52 yeah i agree i mean you can get them done probably quite quickly in [pause] depends if we want to go like eco friendly or i don't know how eco friendly they are [pause] uh or if you know if we can use something like vistaprint which is quite cheap [pause] but may not be [pause] as eco friendly [laugh] 42:11 =do we just want the one just the one banner 42:13 yeah i'd say i'd say just one yeah 42:15 yeah i mean if [anon_$003] and i put um some designs together today i can send them round and then uh [anon_$003] could do that on friday just put them in an order in or something like that or send it through to you [anon_$007] 42:30 yeah i think i think i think the important thing is that people know that [anon_pl3][anon_inst4] is there because otherwise how would they know [laugh] 42:40 yeah yeah [anon_$005] if you get designs to me i'm happy to fill out kind of the ordering and like finding prices and actually getting the= them done um but yeah yeah i literally think let's just do this but change the logo and the slogan and that= that's really nice or get that collage 42:57 should be simple 42:59 yeah that sounds good 43:01 okay and we have another potential project that's a project about caves so it's a [anon_ev11] organised by [anon_inst1] in november um we've been approached to take part um [anon_$003] suggested a a writer that has done a lot of writing about caves her name's [anon_fn30] [anon_sn14] and she's very keen well she's happy to take part in the project so we just need to find out [pause] more [pause] once we know i think we're gonna be put in touch with an academic um at some point and then we can just take that forwards so that's that's that one and oh yeah and we did the well the three of us not [anon_$006] we did the [anon_ev12] tour last week which was= 43:53 =oh was it good 43:55 really good 43:56 =really good and we were we were thinking again there's an opportunity for the youth board to have a tour and potentially [anon_fn2] and anyone else that missed it and get young people to write about it um cos it was really interesting 44:11 yeah i forgot to mention that actually but i had um an email from the lady who showed us round [anon_fn31] um and she just wanted to follow up on those plans with the board as well so 44:21 yeah we can invite the board members that again just in case they wanted to come i don't know if there's a maximum number we can have i mean i can't imagine we'll have too many but uh i think definitely take [anon_fn2] and if we can the youth board okay um great [anon_pr83] 44:41 [pause] [tech noise] um sorry i've misplaced it let me find it 45:00 right well i guess i have something else while you do= while you find that [anon_$007] so we've got we've been we've put together an illustration challenge for [anon_inst17] students um where we've asked them to do to do some to do graphics or illustrations of young people uh that we could potentially use so i went to a session where they presented their ideas and some of them presented some of the work um it's kind of work in progress but it just be really really good to see what they produce um [pause] and see if there's anything we can use [pause] yeah [tech noise] 45:43 okay i found the [anon_pr83] um so [anon_$004]'s action was to ask [anon_$001] to be a [anon_pr5] writer he says he's still waiting on schools i guess we'll find out more when he's back um [anon_$005] reach out designers for the [anon_pr5] blog last time i checked that was blocked waiting on the web redesign so i think that's going to be blocked for a while [anon_$007] chase up the office supplies delivery [anon_$003]'s laptop stand is in the middle of nowhere um and i'm= or ordered the wrong keyboards for the new macbooks so that's a shambles but they're being sent back the new ones are coming and [anon_$003]'s raiser will arrive 46:24 i think that was at subway 46:26 yeah they arrived at subway anyway [laugh] um chase up the [anon_inst10] papers from [anon_fn20] and [anon_fn17] they've send those through [tech noise] create new youtube channel [anon_$003] and [anon_$005] that is also blocked i believe and then the last one was sorting a gift for um [anon_fn2]'s start date i started the paypal pool so [pause] for those of you that haven't already made a donation that's there if you would like to and yeah that's kind of everything 47:01 yeah and i also want to say thank you everyone for contributing to the board papers uh i think they're nearly ready and yeah let's see what the board has to say next week [laugh] okay well um is there anything else from anyone 47:18 just that i'll send around those permission forms after this to make sure you're happy with yourself being recorded and sent for research purposes [laugh] 47:27 okay 47:28 oh 47:28 [pause] i'm sure there's nothing too incriminating 47:32 is it like= is it the thing that= were they meant to start it a while ago 47:37 so [anon_$001] sent over a couple of videos= feel funny that they'll be watching this [laugh] 47:41 =i know that's yeah yeah yeah that's what= 47:43 [anon_$001] sent over some videos a few months ago um+ 47:45 = i think i remember [anon_fn1]+ 47:46 ![unclear]/! 47:47 +sending me something about it 47:49 yeah 47:49 and i think ![unclear]/! i think is it a linguistics project 47:53 yeah it's an ![unclear]/!= 47:53 =i have been sat here wondering what they're going to be analyzing [laugh] 47:57 ![unclear]/! 47:58 feeling quite self conscious 47:59 ![unclear]/! [anon_$004] wore a space hat last time we did it 48:02 oh really 48:06 oh [laugh] 48:06 ![unclear]/! 48:06 well i think it's about how people communicate during meetings during online meetings i think it's kind of linked to that 48:12 i imagine it's probably like a multimodal analysis though so they'll be watching us like fiddling about like me kind of my hair all the time i've been quite conscious of that this meeting um 48:23 they'll be analyzing us analyzing what they're doing as well now 48:27 yeah yeah yeah exactly let's make it really meta let's freak them out um [laugh] oh dear 48:35 on that note [laugh] we might stop the recording 48:37 oh dear transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 [tech noise] [pause] ![unclear]/! [pause] okay i'm ready sorry everyone pretty weird watching yourself ![unclear]/! on different screens 0:38 shall i come around i fell like this is quite ![unclear]/! [pause] 0:42 it's kind of [tech noise] embarrassing cos it's being recorded [laugh] [pause] can you hear us 0:51 you're very quiet [pause] 0:51 maybe we should move closer ![unclear]/! 0:53 yeah i'm going to move the laptop's quite far away [tech noise] ![unclear]/! [pause] 1:04 better [pause] ah 1:06 is it a mic on board [pause] 1:08 no it's a ![unclear]/! [pause] [tech noise] 1:08 ![unclear]/! [pause] 1:09 the internal mic [tech noise] 1:10 is that better eh [tech noise] [pause] is that okay 1:42 that's better yeah [pause] 1:43 great [pause] cool [pause] is that okay okay [pause] [noise] um [anon_$002] can't make it today she's got ![unclear]/! in a meeting um so i shall be leading um the agenda ![unclear]/! um but um but first up we've got [anon_pr5] [anon_$004] [pause] 2:10 yeah no real updates um i've been on leave since the last meeting so [pause] 2:10 fair enough uh [anon_pr4] [anon_$006] [pause] 2:13 um so let's think [pause] um i've been i'm putting together some case studies with [anon_fn25] um well we're putting together the template for them to then give to the college lecturers to provide us some information that we can turn into case studies that will both go in the teacher pack and contribute towards the policy guides um [pause] yeah [pause] um i've still i've been translating stuff from slovene into english um which has taken up quite a bit of time um [pause] what else has been happening [pause] um i guess like one of the main things is prepping [anon_fn2] for [anon_pr4] stuff so she's been sent quite a kind of comprehensive overview of everything that's been done on a broader scale and locally [pause] there are some fairly kind of [pause] there are some issues that [anon_$002] and i were speaking about last week in terms of [pause] the time plan and my contract that are really crucial to the project actually being completed and finished on the [anon_inst23] side um [pause] yeah that's a big concern um but hopefully it will get sorted once [anon_fn2] has started um yes so i'm having a chat with [anon_fn24] about it on monday but she's been aware of the problem since january and also um [anon_fn23] [anon_sn10] who is kind of in charge of stuff at [anon_inst29] is also gonna arrange an in= um an interview i've been doing interviews all morning um a meeting when [anon_fn2] starts to discuss it because it's a bit of a big problem at the moment in terms of getting the project finished um yeah but apart from that and yeah and we've booked the venue for [click] booked the venue for the workshop so that is something that we can actually do because that is something we can do um [laugh] so yeah the workshop thing is booked and then it's just working on some other bits um one thing that is maybe worth flagging is that when [anon_inst29] pay if they're not an approved [anon_inst29] supplier it takes longer for everything to go through because [anon_inst29] have to do like a kind of risk assessment thing to check that we can use a certain we can pay money to certain people luckily [anon_inst7] were already on their like list of approved suppliers or partners but it wouldn't have been that way with the [anon_inst6] which i thought was quite interesting but yeah um yeah so things can move forward on that front but it's really difficult i'm doing things for other working groups that are going to be useful in the immediate future but it's really hard to plan for the end the planned end product [tech noise] of this intellectual output that [anon_inst23] heads because of some of the issues that kind of [anon_$002] and [anon_fn24] are aware of and will need to be flagged to [anon_fn2] when she starts basically that was kind of all there is really [pause] ![unclear]/! [tech noise] and the um the the call out for facilitators is up on everything um ![unclear]/! [tech noise]/! thank [anon_$005] for doing really excellent work on that 5:55 we've had some really good engagement actually so hopefully+ 5:55 oh nice [laugh] cool 6:05 yeah 6:06 yeah i think they look really good so thank you+ 6:08 =that's alright 6:08 +it's been excellent work 6:11 great yeah i'm sure we'll get i haven't had anything through yet but i'm sure i will like over the weekend yeah [pause] cool uh next [anon_inst192] planning that's all [anon_$002] and she's not here but i think she'll be sending an update or a reaction after the board meeting tonight uh [anon_inst10] [anon_$007a] is with us today 6:30 [tech noise] ![unclear]/! hello folks [laugh] 6:38 would you like to give us an update on the [anon_inst10] 6:40 yeah sure [laugh] [tech noise] i don't know if you can hear me 7:07 [moves screen] there you go 6:46 um yeah we've got a meeting uh tomorrow um so the agenda's all underway um and ![unclear]/! we're at [anon_inst15] tomorrow we've got quite a few things um to discuss i think i can always send the agenda to you guys if you want it um [noise] but yeah um updates in terms of what we've been doing um we're currently putting together a new recruitment pack um and trying to get some new recruiters for september um and yeah that's it really um 7:17 cool yeah i've been i've kind of changed how we're sending opportunities out to the [anon_inst32] i'm doing fortnightly um kind of like an opportunity ![unclear]/! 7:26 we've got the google drive now as well 7:29 yeah you got the google drive um and your [anon_ev6] is coming up next week 7:29 our [anon_ev6] ![unclear]/! next wednesday as well 7:29 ![unclear]/! [laugh] um we're moving really quickly content plan [laugh] 7:44 uh yeah [tech noise] we have lots on uh ![unclear]/! the [pause] uh april fool's thing we did which was uh silly but um has a serious intent of actually driving new people to our site and increasing visibility worked really well what we had ![unclear]/! hits on our website last week looks good i just checked uh disproportionate amount of users um also got this uh airplay on [anon_inst222] [anon_inst223] got a mention and i think [anon_inst224] ![unclear]/! as well/! uh so that's good um [cough] i'm a bit out of touch with my patch i've been off for a few days so i don't [anon_$005] can explain it better what have we got 7:45 um [pause] gosh i'll have a look at facebook 7:45 do you want me to check [pause] 7:45 yeah it should be on ![unclear]/! 7:45 ![unclear]/! 7:45 yeah the newsletter's gonna be late um just because we've been um you know making that [anon_inst11] leaving has sort of thrown us a little bit with that figured out how to do it so it's actually not that hard at all so it kind of makes us wonder why the song and dance when we're doing it with them [laugh] 8:35 yeah ![unclear]/! 8:35 but um yeah [laugh] uh so that's hopefully gonna go out at some point next week there is still time if anyone wants to add anything but the call out for facilitators is out on ![unclear]/! um as is [pause] [anon_ev4] um that's on there as well um [anon_ev4] uh comms i'm gonna start next week haven't heard from ![unclear]/! unfortunately don't think it's gonna happen which is like not the end of the world but it's a shame um [pause] yeah we've got uh a piece from [anon_fn133] [anon_sn57] going up hopefully on thursday i think i might have scheduled it for+ 9:28 yeah 9:29 actually i'll put it up on friday when i'm working yeah um about his play [anon_ev32] that was her script reading last month uh what else i need to look at facebook 9:41 yeah [laugh] don't worry about it we'll get back to you with the detail there's lots of other things as well we're working+ 9:44 =and that [anon_fn134] [anon_sn_58] thing as well [anon_$004] we're putting that up on social media 9:50 oh yeah yeah uh the 9:53 [anon_ev33] 9:53 [anon_ev33] uh yeah we commissioned [anon_fn129] we've got the [anon_pl173] residence starting up again soon uh so we're gonna commission our last [anon_pl173] uh residency person in what do we call placement person uh [anon_fn129] to write something up on that which will be nice uh we've got the library launch coming up soon the uh the um children's library first children's library thing that [anon_fn130] was doing uh i've got to write an article about that and write loads of contextual stuff around that as well uh we have met with [anon_fn15] were gonna do a piece with her about the launch of her new book in may and also take on a bit a role as um content uh comms um advisor um ![unclear]/! facilitator for that yeah um in= this afternoon obviously it's [anon_$005]'s um [anon_$005]'s graduation 10:42 graduation 10:43 so she'll get a mortar board out there [breath in] uh and i've been talking at that for less than three minutes [tech noise] um yeah there's lots and lots of little bits off we've a load of students coming in a load of students uh is it two or three ![unclear]/! 11:07 not sure 11:01 it's two isn't it coming on uh friday as part of the [anon_inst17] rise placement scheme where we have them for a day and show them what we do i'm taking them on friday and [anon_$005]'s gonna support me i think on that um and on wednesday she's doing it alone so if anyone's in the office wednesday uh it might be handy and she can are you in the office wednesday 11:48 on the 13th 9:59 yeah yeah yeah that will be brilliant because we'd really like them to see what we do here uh aside from comms [laugh] yeah we will pencil it in for scheduled ![unclear]/! scheduled for that ![unclear]/! um anything else is outstanding [pause] uh there's loads of congratulations uh one of our writers one of our own writers will we say a [anon_pl3] writer anyway has been nominated for a bafta uh for writing about um he he writes the scripts for [anon_inst210] and he wrote one about them doing um when he was sort of just um very clearly taking the piss out of uh [anon_inst211] and [anon_inst212] and that's been nominated for tv moment of the year so we're gonna do a little thing on that as well cos i think that's quite amusing really um [pause] um [anon_fn135] [anon_sn59] has just got a book deal with [anon_inst213] um lots of new books coming out so we've got loads of little bits of content we've got far too much happening at the moment to be honest [laugh] and uh if you can tell any crazy friends to stop doing stuff that would be really handy really help us uh but yeah lots and lots and lots of stuff so but do send us stuff if you notice it always happy to get that and i'll delegate it ![unclear]/! oh and [anon_$005] officially starts with us on monday and do you know this i don't know if you do or not but [anon_$005] finishes today she graduates today and therefore she will be+ 12:09 =as an intern 12:09 +as an intern and she um [pause] will be out of work for a few days and then on monday well four days including the weekend and then on monday she starts with us as uh what's your official title 12:09 um communications officer 13:11 yeah so she will be working uh starting with me um should be in that role for eight months eight months um hopefully hopefully a lot longer uh so yeah we are comms has doubled in doubled in size in uh for monday so she's been doing that anyway 13:29 yeah [laugh] 13:30 uh i poached her early from doing anything else so yeah that's about it for the comms uh unless you've got anything to add 13:37 nothing no 13:45 no do you want to say goodbye to everyone [laugh] ![unclear]/! 13:57 um [laugh] 13:57 okay um so partnership projects so the big one is [anon_ev4] at the moment um the giveaway [pause] is taking place on the 20 giveaway distribution of free books in [anon_inst214] will be on the 22nd of april which is a friday um and as far as that goes uh we have received all the books um so me and [anon_$007] have been packing them up today and putting in the little bookmarks and things um so i've got them in four boxes ready to go to the primary schools um which [anon_$004] if i am right are [anon_inst215] [anon_inst216] uh [pause] [anon_inst217] and the [anon_inst18] 14:38 [anon_inst18] haven't got back to us i'm still waiting on the contact at [anon_inst217] to get back to us as well um [pause] i have got some backups so [anon_inst201] i'm working on on another project at the moment and they seemed keen and they're in the the cohort group in terms of where we're looking in terms of literacy um outputs um and i'm sure we can get another school but we've definitely got three two out of our initial ids and another which isn't currently engaged but has been previously um and then it's just essentially us iding a fourth school if if [anon_inst18] and [anon_inst217] don't get back to us but 14:06 =yeah= 15:20 i will try again um and use one of my kind of contact book to try and try and get over the line with that one but [pause] [anon_inst217] and [anon_inst18] have not got back to us as yet 15:32 okay no worries um i think i'm gonna send them out next wednesday so that they arrive for the nineteenth after at least the weekend um so yeah if you just ask them all to confirm by then that'll be great and worst case situation we give some schools double [pause] um [pause] brill and then the banner is all ordered so that's nice um [pause] we've got totes and things i'm gonna order a table so at the moment it's looking like there'll be a few of us standing by a banner with trolleys of books giving out free stuff so i'm thinking we will all wear blue t shirts or something just so we all look a bit more cohesive um and potentially a gazebo i might order depending on the weather thoughts 16:17 there was also another thing uh on the comms side of it um we have this thing called reading hour so on actual i think it's from like seven to 8pm on [anon_ev4] itself uh and i thought it'd be nice if if you can take a picture of everyone reading the the book and then send them over to me and [anon_$003] we can pick up some stories or something like that but i [unclear]/! doing that that was the only thing really for comms just asking people to do ![unclear]/! [tech noise] 16:26 shall i put some some copies of the book aside then just so we can kind of pose with it 16:49 yeah [laugh] [pause] [laugh] a bit [pause] uh [pause] yeah and i think it'd be a good opportunity to share some tote bags as well basically if there's anything you think that we can maybe get rid of that's a little bit branded like bookmarks this was the time [pause] um but yes that is all looking good um [anon_ev5] getting started on the planning um again [anon_$007a]'s been helping me with that um we've got a small budget for that about 800 pounds so that's for a venue um and ![unclear]/! money so it's kind of tight so we're just looking for other options for that at the moment um and thinking the final competition will be suggested donation [tech noise] five pounds try and get a bit of cash for that um still got a while yet until the eventual call out for so not worried about that um [pause] i think that's kind of it we had that lovely [anon_inst218] tour um that was a couple of weeks ago but the lady who curated that is has been in touch again and she wants to offer tours to other groups that we have contact with um so obviously the ![unclear]/! board [anon_$007a] suggested the ![unclear]/! board as well um so i don't know if anyone has any other kind of outreach groups that they think might be interested in doing that tour um 18:15 um i've got all the [anon_inst32] contacts for the city for [anon_ev31] so i can send those over and you can have all of those 18:26 that would be fantastic thank you 18:28 that's about 12 organizations 18:30 briliant i'm meeting with her next week and i'll let her know but i'm sure she'll be buzzing about that um 18:30 cool 18:30 [pause] [tech noise] okay that's it for me on partnership projects uh [anon_pr83] [pause] i feel like i've really sped through this is is everyone okay [laugh] 18:50 [laugh] ![unclear]/! 18:53 good ![unclear]/! we should do more meetings like this [laugh] 18:57 [laugh] um the only thing left on the [anon_pr83] is [pause] ![unclear]/! for a while ![unclear]/! organizing a present for [anon_fn2] on her start date yeah i sent an email round i think most people have donated if not there's still a few days left to donate to [anon_fn2]'s present [pause] um that's everything and i hope haven't given you all whiplash uh [laugh] 19:29 [laugh] 19:29 now any other business [pause] uh [anon_$004] 19:34 so just quickly to jump in on where we are with the libraryies campaign 19:40 uh yeah 19:40 um so it's moved on to community consultation in person now so there was the first consultation meeting at [anon_inst19] with the community yesterday which was quite productive and i also got like 20 minutes at the end just chatting away to [anon_sn9] was really helpful um he wants us to be involved or certainly happy for [anon_$002] to be involved in uh a roundtable discussion [pause] in terms of interested parties because i think they're definitely feeling the backlash of proposing closure to three libraries now [anon_inst19] is one of the ones where i think they are most hard pressed to keep it open i think that the university are under pressure around [anon_inst20] because of the changes to the demographic of the area which has been widely caused by the expansion of the university and it becoming a student area um but it's it's rapidly lost a lot of its facility in terms of [anon_inst21] closing last year obviously the students have their own leisure center that the community doesn't [breath in] again the students have a library the community doesn't if if [anon_inst20] goes um with [anon_inst19] they're looking to bring [pause] kind of a consortium of the willing together to look at what are the options um one of the things that [anon_fn21] mentioned was whether [anon_inst23] would want to be based there which had me questioning [pause] the [tech noise] kind of accepted wisdom of i thought we were gonna be based at [anon_inst21] and he kind of dithered [pause] um and from chatting to colleagues in the library service the the office space at [anon_inst2] is is incredibly limited and they've got quite a lot of library staff so i think we've got to be [pause] wary of that of of us going oh we're going to be at some [anon_inst22] might not be a thing now um [anon_$003] [tech noise] yeah 21:45 that needs to go to the board don't it early because i mean um we i think that's [tech noise] quite confident theres there's um promises and stuff but obviously that's board level stuff int it and [tech noise] 21:55 [![unclear]/! that's that's the feeling i got from that [pause] um 22:04 do you know it anyone on the board is aware of that does [anon_fn16] know 22:05 i don't know that when [pause] the the timeline for [anon_inst8] especially because i know that [anon_$007] and i have been looking at planning for events and things to happen [pause] uh there was also some eyebrows raised when i was like oh so it's it's looking to be early next year and they were like mm yeah so i think there's there's a lot of issues with [anon_inst8] at the moment that [pause] aren't necessarily being passed on to us i think that's probably cos there's no [anon_fn01] ![unclear]/! [anon_fn21] and [anon_fn01] having a good working relationship but um we're planning for things that might not be a reality in the timeline that we need them to be [pause] um so i think it's just making sure that we're all aware of that though um i've got a i've sent a big long email to ![unclear]/! today because there was loads of things i need to pick up with libraries um and they're just not getting back to me so um yeah 22:41 i'll give [anon_fn16] a little heads up on this later i'll give him a phone call pre pre the meeting because it obviously it's um he's the closest thing we have to a director at the moment i suppose as well obviously [anon_$002] you know he he's obviously got he has a conversation with [anon_fn21] and everything but if if nothing formal obviously you know but if we just sort of say that there might be some uncertainty in that he can pick it up from there 23:26 that there was there was a strong indication that's when cos in the conversation i was in with [anon_fn21] and with [anon_sn11] his consultation manager that that their they were pushing towards [pause] organizations like [anon_inst23] to be based out of [anon_inst19] to convert some of [anon_inst19] into office+ 23:45 right 23:46 +to keep the library open by having it as a joint use between [pause] creative organizations a smaller library space and an activity space 23:54 i think that would fly [laugh] i'm fairly sure that would fly especially since if we get this place you know ![unclear]/ !rent and everything/! so yeah i'll give [anon_fn21] the heads up on that because it's prob= probably worth him just knowing at the very least the are you alright if he can contact you if he wants to/! 24:13 yeah absolutely he's got my number i think but yeah 24:15 yeah i'm just thinking that date is quite important for [anon_pr4] too because+ 24:20 =yeah= 24:20 +i think the event was meant to when we host everyone i think it was meant to tie in with the library opening so yeah 24:28 what was said to me was that they wanted lots of things to be happening in the run up to not the library actually being open [pause] 24:37 yeah but it be weird+ 24:38 =yeah i yeah= 24:39 +national partners going hey this is going to open soon let's have a look at what might happen in here when it opens it doesn't really make any sense so 24:47 mm 24:48 yeah 24:49 yeah the whole point i think [anon_fn1] aspiration which was generally agreed on was the fact that the ![unclear]/! really embrace the concept of [anon_inst4] by using the branding of libraries to be part [anon_inst4] you know this is this is the expression of what we actually do here being tucked away nothing against [anon_inst19] or anything but it's not exactly the most visible place [pause] uh in that way so yeah [pause] um yeah i'm almost tempted to phone [anon_fn01] and say what was the latest you had on this but [anon_fn16] should be fairly filled in so i will talk to him 25:23 yeah like i'm i'm i'm probably fairly pro [anon_inst19] because it's 10 minutes from my house it's great it's my local library um but obviously that doesn't suit everybody [pause] 25:32 yeah [laugh] yeah i i no shaming [anon_inst19] there but just just in terms of visibility of the [anon_inst4] as a whole and also perhaps certain other practicalities um [pause] yeah not uh do you think [pause] not wanting to be overtly critical about it surely there's some sort of bargaining chip do you [anon_$004] do [pause] 25:32 i couldnt quite hear what you're saying there [anon_$003] sorry 25:40 oh yeah yeah you don't think it might be some sort of bargaining chip on [anon_fn21]'s behalf here some sort of+ 26:00 wouldn't have thought so because he wasn't expecting me to be at the meeting like it was+ 26:04 okay 26:04 +it was a public consultation meeting that i went to as yes as a [anon_inst4] member of staff but also a community member and a school governor so sure [pause] okay yeah it's a bit weird but i'll talk to [anon_fn16] ![unclear]/! try and work out i suppose [pause] 26:25 okay any other business from anybody else [pause] 26:30 don't think so no 26:34 no okay well we finished in record time [laugh] i think maybe i need to pace myself a bit more 26:41 no no [laugh] 26:41 um now you've got an extra free half an hour [pause] so go and enjoy yourselves everybody 26:45 yay 26:45 [laugh] [pause] um yeah see you soon oh and [anon_$004] thank you so much for agreeing to come to the board meeting tomorrow um that's great um so i'll see you then 26:57 myself and [anon_$007a] will give you a thumbs up [laugh] 26:58 [laugh] 27:00 could i get a copy of the papers please when you distrubute those+ 27:03 i'll send it to you now 27:05 thanks [$007a] 27:07 alright see you soon 27:08 yep tara 27:11 bye transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 [tech noise] [pause] there we go sorry [laugh] 0:03 [laugh] okay um so shall we go through the agenda then 0:12 mmhmm 0:12 um so [anon_inst4] projects [pause] [anon_pr5] [anon_$004]'s off [pause]um [pause] yeah we had= the only update i think uh uh we had a chat as in [anon_$003] [anon_$005] and myself kind of looking at the comms and what needs to be done and the regional activity plan so [anon_$005]'s gonna update her comms plan and we're going to meet weekly now just to go through everything cos we're getting very close to [anon_ev8] and we're hoping to catch up with [anon_$004] as soon as possible just to see what's been confirmed with [anon_ev8] and where we can support him [pause] other than that [pause] uh we'll just have to wait for [anon_$004] [pause] does anyone have anything else about [anon_pr5] [pause] no [laugh] [anon_pr4] 1:08 um yeah so i guess shall i start on the kind of broader project with the partners and what's been happening there so um myself and [anon_fn32] have basically produced some documents kind of templates that the college partners are going to send to the lecturers and from that we're gonna have a series of kind of case studies and like activity planners um for the teacher resources so we're gonna start building up these case studies um but they will be quite useful a for [anon_fn32]'s working group that produces the teacher pack but also they can contribute towards the [anon_pr88] output which is what we're doing so they should come in over summer which is good for the first round from the first kind of round of piloting so [anon_fn32] and i have kind of got these protocols and questions for them and then from that we'll have this kind of packet of um activity guides and case studies from each college so they should look quite nice cos we've managed to get um somebody to do it in all of the [anon_pr4] like branding colours so it looks quite pretty um then i'm just working on with the data that we already have planning a report that we're gonna kind of get done over the summer and in time for [anon_fn24]'s next report to [anon_pr11] so basically it will just be a kind of evaluation of the data from the first round so we're putting that in report form now so kind of what we can learn from this what's worked what hasn't worked and how we're gonna take that forward in the project but it's also handy to have that for the [anon_pr88] output so that's really good um i'm meeting [anon_fn33] tomorrow um to discuss how ![unclear]/! i guess basically [anon_pl9] were meant to be the dissemination lead but [anon_fn34]'s gone [anon_fn34]'s gone to finish her degree basically so [anon_fn33] and i are going to kind of work together to take over [anon_fn34]'s kind of role which is just kind of making sure things are uploaded and disseminated and kind of press releasy bits so that's something else that's happening so that's on the kind of broader more international side of the project and then i guess the workshops [pause] [anon_$007] i can't remember what day the project meeting was last week what stage were we at with the workshop facilitator kind of process 3:38 um so this time last week i think we decided who we wanted but hadn't confirmed with her yet but she's now accepted um and seems to be keen to go ahead and then now we just need to [breath in] get in touch with her again and send her a more kind of updated guideline of how we want the workshops to go um and work with her a bit to come up with a nice workshop outline um and then we need to speak to [anon_$005] about pushing the events on social media um so apart from that i mean it's all kind of going quite well isn't it we've got the venue booked 4:14 =yeah= 4:14 =got the facilitator just need to make it happen now 4:16 =yeah so i contacted [anon_inst29] yesterday because obviously i've got a project code through them so i just need to check how we go about hiring a freelancer through them but that should be fine because people hire translators quite a lot through similar project codes so touch wood that all should be fine um= 4:37 so [anon_$006] will the contracting of that that person go through [pause] university 4:41 yes i think so i don't know= i don't know if there's a way to like basically i i did want to ask like can we just take the money out and put it into like [anon_inst23] but i think cosi'm getting it through a project code cos when i i had a look at the last email that i got because um we obviously got the invoice from [anon_inst7] to pay for the venue and then i was like shit we have to pay it through the university and basically their invoice system takes a bit longer so at the minute it looks like it takes something like 28 days for the payment to process and it's really slow but if= [anon_inst7] are aware so that's fine because i um worried when i get these little reminder emails but they are aware so yeah the freelancer um [anon_fn35] she's i thought she she had lots of really good experience like she's really good but yeah we'll make sure [anon_fn35] can get paid through that but i've also we should have enough in the budget because even like= she doesn't live in [anon_pl3] but she was actually the most local person that applied but she's not too far away so i'm gonna look into getting her mileage covered for it because we should have enough and then when i looked at the budget yesterday we definitely have enough from the budget to [pause] get a zine produced through [anon_inst30] so that's good and i think they're already= this is= they like= they're already a recommended [anon_inst1] supplier i think so that shouldn't be an issue with getting that payment through+ 6:46 =yeah= 6:09 +um so yeah i think everything's going well i think what we probably should do i think is the next step with the facilitator i think cos we're gonna make it quite an open call for participants it won't be the same not necessarily the same 15 people for each four get= kind of get a kind of theme and a brief kind of description of each workshop as a starting point and then we can start to try and recruit while we refine the plans with the facilitator for when it's time to= when it's june so yeah i think it's all going quite well and i think the payment side of things will sort itself out [anon_inst31]'s always interesting with expenses but i think it should be fineum yeah so seems quite good 6:53 um what i was gonna say is and= if um somebody could just= [anon_$007] you may need need to remind me to do this sorry to add this you if i'm part of when i was at [anon_inst9] something called the [anon_inst32] so i can either like put in the kind of call out in that group or i can get [anon_$007] i can get you added or [anon_$005] added so we can kind of tap into that like national network and maybe colleagues at the translation centres spread the word [anon_inst9] or whatever can share that as well so when we're talking about like sharing reach that obviously we want to focus on like people in [anon_pl3] but like maybe just making kind of colleagues at a national level aware of what we're doing and like+ 7:36 =yeah= 7:36 +you know this cool thing is happening in [anon_pl3] ![unclear]/!= 7:38 = mm i think that's a really good idea even if it doesn't get people on board it makes them aware that something is happening as well and i think that's really+ 7:46 =yeah+ 7:46 +important as well= 7:46 and i think something that i'm mindful of with like what we're doing in just generally as like we're doing really fantastic work is how we can make uh us like the activity that we do on the radar of like colleagues outside of [anon_pl3] and [anon_pl10] so they're like oh cool we want to collaborate with [anon_inst4]= 8:05 =yeah yeah yeah i think that's a great idea so yeah but yeah it's all going well can i ask one thing [anon_$018] just while i= because i just started looking at the [anon_inst202] form 8:14 yeah 8:14 and i wasn't 100% sure are the characters with or without spaces 8:19 with spaces 8:20 okay that's fine 8:22 um so yes that's+ 8:25 =thank you= 8:26 +yeah that's like super fun when you're 8:29 yeah i have to say um= 8:30 = ![unclear]/! let's just make young people yp and every every+ 8:33 =yeah that's what i wanna do and i was like i probably can't yeah um yeah i applied for fellowship quite recently and it was like= it's a plan for like a three year research project and they wanted a= a 100 word abstract for a three year project um [laugh] it was hell lots of abbreviations um but yeah thank you i'll get that to you by the end of the day and then we can fiddle around with it afterwards so 8:59 =yeah so um well that goes into [anon_inst202] planning was there anything else you wanted to speak about [anon_pr4] 9:06 no sorry i just thought i'd ask because it's on my kind of [anon_pr4] like to do list this+ 9:10 =no no no 9:10 +afternoon but yeah with spaces okay cool 9:12 um yes so mostly all i've been doing is writing the [anon_inst202] and so what= [pause] touch wood whatever uh we should have a= a very basic draft which will be going to a subsection of the board at the end of tomorrow for them to review and to give their input to that get back to me on monday i am then going to like [pause] finesse that a little bit more so then it goes to the full board on end of tuesday [laugh]+ 9:49 [laugh] 9:49 +for them to get back by the end of thursday so i can spend the rest of the time wrangling [anon_inst227] uh+ 9:57 mm 9:57 +so that's fun uh fun i will share the more sort of finessed draft with everybody once i've had input for example from like [anon_fn37] [anon_fn15] at [anon_inst17] and board members and stuff but um i just want everyone to be assured that i'm= we're not going to like put in an application that nobody from the staff team has seen 10:21 [laugh] 10:21 cos that wouldn't be very nice or fair um so there will be further opportunity for comment um but just so everybody knows that it's= it's my favorite phrase in the immortal words of sir alex ferguson squeaky bum time uh so um it's yeah very compressed timeline uh+ 10:45 =yeah= 10:45 +um if you do get an email from me going do you know anything about this [laugh] course i'm very appreciative of the help+ 10:53 [laugh] 10:53 +all help uh right now um so [anon_$007] i might actually drop you a line about the [anon_ev5] thing um because we need to put some sort of proposed succession measures and targets and we need to put some numbers on that so like 50% of participants feel that they've got career development so i might just ask you to do that i think it's just also a useful uh sort of development opportunity for you to like think about when we're talking about our kind of outputs and impact and success measures for you as kind of project lead to be thinking about that if that's alright 11:25 yeah that sounds good um i'm going to talk about [anon_ev5] in a minute when it comes on to partnership projects cos i had a good meeting with [anon_fn11] ![unclear]/! um but i don't think it's my time to talk yet [laugh] 11:37 actually um the evaluation framework that uh [anon_$006]'s put together [anon_$007] has put onto a google form so she's i mean [anon_$007] got some= probably some idea of some of the questions we will be asking to measure [pause] you know ho= people's experiences 11:38 yeah that would be just really great wh= and= and i'll send the same= the same thing that i sent to [anon_$006] which is like it's 600 characters or something um+ 12:05 [laugh] 12:05 +it's like describe your project in a tweet um+ 12:11 [laugh] 12:11 +um [pause] so yes thank you very much i think that's probably everything at the moment [anon_$002] is there anything you want to say on [pause] 12:19 no just i'm just yeah i think there's a principles principles templates which just let me know what else you need i'm on standby for [laugh] 12:30 [laugh] 12:30 ![unclear]/! um 12:32 i just would like to use this opportunity to thank everyone so far for all their help and input it is um [pause] yeah uh [pause] an interesting way to start a new job 12:43 mm it must be hard like yeah i was thinking this today i was like not like how on earth can [anon_$018] like write all of this about [anon_pr4] but it is a big ask when you're like two weeks into the job to be like talking about these projects that you're trying to like find your feet with a bit too i was like this is quite something yeah [laugh] 13:03 yeah 13:03 yeah it's a good way to like get an an overview= 13:06 [laugh] 13:07 yeah i guess 13:08 and then like i need you and your expertise to input into this and i also don't want to [pause] kind of misrepresent the work that we're doing um in any way and i'd rather that it's put in kind of to the best of our ability from the start than having to then like [pause] completely rewrite it like let's try and get it right from the start so for example i probably might be able to just speak to [anon_$004] next week so that the [anon_pr5] work is kind of really kind of kind of crystalline in that+ 13:43 mm 13:43 +so it's very clearly communicated um so that's that's where i'll go or where= where we're at um 13:51 yeah 13:53 [breath in] yeah it's um i'm really quite looking forward to the hitting send and then i think we'll all have to have another team social 14:06 yeah [laugh] 14:09 that uh that drink will taste very sweet 14:12 [laugh] 14:14 yeah um [anon_inst10] any updates [anon_$007] 14:20 um just on the application process really um so we have= oh and we've got a date for the next meeting which will be the ninth of june um and i've asked [anon_inst15] to book a room for that um [pause] for the recruitment we've had 19 applications um and me and [anon_$002] were talking yesterday and we think a good thing to do might be to [breath in] pop them all in a spreadsheet because none of them are particularly long um kind of two to three paragraphs um and score them so i'll come up with a scoring criteria and we can get= so far we decided [anon_fn38] and [anon_fn20] and myself and [anon_$002] to score them but if anybody else wants to get involved with scoring um feel free uh but it was quite a quick turnaround for that we'd quite like to have them scored by the 10th of may um with the view to hold interviews or kind of a= not so much an interview but a chat to meet with um [pause] the the shortlist and see what they're like and see if they're still interested and they can ask us some questions as well um for the 31st of may um so yeah today my job is to get all of those applications in a spreadsheet and kind of circulate them and ask [anon_fn38] and [anon_fn20] as well as they can do some scoring uh tomorrow or over the weekend or monday um but yeah that's nice nice to have loads of applications um and i haven't had a very thorough look yet but from what i can see it's quite a mix of kind of teenagers from [anon_pl3] and quite a lot of university students as well so we should be able to get a fairly diverse um recruit= recruitment [laugh] um yes that's kind of that for for the [anon_inst32] at the moment 16:04 can i ask you a quick question which is helpful for [anon_inst202] is like how many kind of [anon_inst10] members are we kind of looking to have for each kind of cohort 16:16 i think 12 did you say we wanted the same as the regular= i keep calling it the regular board i don't= i don't know what we should call it the grown up board 16:24 [laugh] 16:28 well then we we've been talking a lot with with [anon_fn39] about the [anon_inst32] renaming themselves but um on the last you= not the last youth board the previous one uh they were saying that i think there's nine members at the moment but a few inactive already and then they the at least two maybe leaving after september because they go to university or work or so we're thinking about recruiting five or six 16:55 mm 16:55 and maybe having kind of um like a period of time that they're committed to it and then we rerecruit for every two years or something like that because= 17:03 we were saying every easter+ 17:05 =every easter 17:06 +uh depends on on again how people move uh in terms of they= they have to yeah basically if they move out of [anon_pl3] or if they turn 26 or they go to university we just need to consider those and and make decisions to see if we recruit three four uh but yeah we were saying six and cos we= we want to invite them i mean i was talking to [anon_$007] about this because we want to invite them [pause] so that there's the= after the conversation we have with them we want to invite them to observe the board meeting the youth board meeting uh saying maybe we need to split them because we don't want six new people in one youth board meeting so maybe three for the june one uh i don't know three for the [pause] um autumn one [pause] and then they can decide we can have another conversation with them and [pause] just to see if it fits with what they want and with what we want we need to really think about how we're working with the youth board as well and make them more active [pause] uh in our work [pause] 18:07 yeah 18:09 and anyone that's exiting actually we should have like an exit board interview [laugh] or something just to+ 18:15 =mm 18:15 +to really see what they gain from the experience what they what they wanted to do more of and and and how we can improve cos cos i think we've piloted for over a year now and it's a good maybe we should do it with all members actually just to see where we're at 18:34 mmhmm 18:34 yeah 18:35 [pause] yeah yeah i i wonder ![unclear]/! [tech noise] in the [anon_inst202] and like all those limited characters i've got is whether we just make a note that say we're going to work with the [anon_inst10] on on their sort of name and identity and the kind of terms of reference 18:56 they have a terms of reference that they just drafted+ 18:59 okay 18:59 +um i think it= i think [pause] i wasn't sure if the terms of reference had the the term time [laugh] because i think we said maybe up to three years but yeah we need to= we can refine the terms of reference yeah [pause] and they need= well we've been talking a lot about them having their own space on the website on the blog on social media and how we can brand them as the [anon_inst10] 19:28 =yeah i think probably just needs like a slightly different like name maybe like [pause] uh= anyway that's= 19:40 yeah 19:41 yeah [pause] 19:45 anything else [anon_$007] or 19:48 no i think that's everything on them 19:51 okay 19:51 um yeah that's it 19:55 mm [anon_pr82] 19:56 =oh [anon_$007] did you want to speak about [anon_ev5] 20:00 yeah i'll do that in partnership projects 20:04 okay 20:04 [laugh] 20:04 [anon_pr84] have an email from [anon_$003] and [anon_$005] 20:07 yeah 20:08 any questions about that 20:12 no 20:12 partnership projects 20:14 okay [laugh] yeah so [anon_ev5] um [anon_$002] and we met with [anon_fn11] [anon_sn6] uh on tuesday um she said yeah i'm just checking the date um and basically told her what we were thinking of doing and kind of explained that we don't have a very big budget and asked if she would like to work with us on it um and she looked at the dates we had um i think our original date for the big kind of finale was early december um but that actually coincides really well with their [anon_pr12] project reading writing and pleasure at [anon_pl11] where every [pause] um quarter they do a big poetry slam um and she is really happy to collaborate with us on that so they've hired out [anon_inst33] um and everything's kind of set up there with like live streaming um and it's all= i think it will just be quite easy to host it there and it's good that we can work with [anon_pl11] on that [pause] um so that's good and we're just kind of brainstorming a bit really but she's got lots of nice ideas um because the theme is climate um and the environment um and what she normally does at [anon_pr12] is kind of interview someone um from [anon_pl3] and so she was looking at get= interviewing [anon_fn39] [anon_sn15] from [anon_inst34] um i think she was quite excited by the theme of the environment so she was thinking she could choose a comic that is focused on the environment um and then when we have our [pause] finalists performing um [pause] we can like follow on from that a little bit um and then she had a few other kind of fun ideas that we can do in the voting process and we were thinking we could do kind of live voting in [anon_inst33] and also online um so that all sounds quite exciting um i think having a venue is [laugh] good um yeah that's again still kind of early stages but it was really nice that she wants to work with us um i think in return she wants things from u= i can't remember exactly what it was [anon_$002] she took some videos of me and [anon_$002] saying what we're reading uh [laugh] i think she just wants us to kind of support her projects and stuff as well like whenever we can on social media or 22:37 well we mentioned workshops and she was really keen to do some workshops uh+ 22:43 =yeah 22:43 +ahead of that 22:43 yeah and i i wonder if that's the way [pause] [anon_$007] we can like test kind of like do some r&d of what we want to do with [anon_ev5] for the future 22:53 yeah definitely 22:55 yeah um um i mean she also mentioned the= she's got like a monthly uh what was it [anon_$007] like uh is it like a poetry= it's called [anon_pr12] cafe 23:07 yeah like a smaller version of the big event um= 23:11 yeah and they usually have a featured emerging writer uh so she was keen for us to suggest people to go and talk on that+ 23:19 yeah 23:19 +it's in the [anon_inst35] [laugh] so and she wants to say that= it's open to the public so she wants us to help promote that and ![unclear]/! aids in partnership with us which so= sounds good 23:31 yeah 23:32 and it's again a really good way to engage young people because it's promoted through [anon_inst31] we canget the [anon_inst10] involved and that sounds really good 23:41 yeah [anon_$018} i know you're meeting with um [anon_pl12] who is it from [anon_pl12] 23:45 [anon_fn3] 23:47 [anon_fn3] um so i was thinking i could just write a quick summary of what i chatted about on tuesday and send that to you before you meet with them 23:54 fantastic yeah when i was in= at that meeting he just said oh you know let's just have a chat so um i'll do that i think it would also be good just to share with them like our kind of longer term plans for [anon_ev5] as well so that they're aware that we could use that as a sort of springboard for more+ 24:11 =yeah= 24:11 +kind of ![unclear]/! development activity 24:13 yeah and and i think uh because [anon_fn11] was asking us and i think it'd be good to know from kind of [anon_inst4] what's expected and how much we can shape it to the way we want to make it [pause] ours how we move forward and and i i kind of have a feeling it's quite flexible but just be= it would be good to know what needs to happen what [pause] is flexible 24:37 [breath in] i mean i think [noise] the impression i got from [anon_fn3] is that like if you ![unclear]/! you don't have to host something and i was like no we're really excited about it and this is what we're doing so being able to update him but also saying like we want to use it as a way to sort of do our own like [anon_pl3] ![unclear]/! projects or kind of pillar which then feeds into that so the activity might look like just some [anon_inst4] partners you know we've got how= whatever poet going forward but we've done like you know three or six months of activity which is like leading to that point 25:13 yeah 25:13 so um yeah that's how just send me whatever you kind of want me to speak to [anon_fn4] about [anon_$007] and i can= 25:22 fab i will do um there's a few other bits going on as well um [anon_pl3][anon_ev3] are running some inclusivity awareness training from ten til three on the 23rd of may um there's not loads of details on that yet but i think we'll probably have at least one or two um of us will be able to go is that right [anon_$002] um 25:44 yeah so this this was a conversation that's been happening for quite a few months and um they've offered us this training for free um they've not clarified how many members of our team can go but it seems like probably all of us could go if we wanted to um i think there's gonna be quite a lot of focus on anti racism which is quite a big thing for the investment principles so i think if most of us can go we should um and the trainer is very focused on on those themes which= she's in the= she's part of the [anon_pl3] festival but yeah it seems like the details have been confirmed really really slowly and because they're busy now with the festival i can't imagine we'll hear much until the week before 26:33 i'll send an invite to us all to block it out in our calendars and just kind of update you when i have more from them 26:39 =um= 26:39 =uh= 26:40 it= it's worthwhile if it's worth inviting somebody from the board to come if we can and they could+ 26:48 good idea 26:48 +report back to the board 26:50 yeah 26:52 cool don't know who that would be [laugh] 26:55 um [anon_fn8] [anon_sn5] would be great if she can 27:00 yeah i feel like she's already had quite a lot of training like that though i wonder through her job 27:05 shall i= i've got a meeting with [anon_fn16] later shall i ask [tech noise] [anon_fn16] 27:09 yeah [pause] [tech noise] 27:10 uh 27:10 yeah but is it= they'll just have to make it work with the with their day jobs 27:19 yeah 27:20 that's the main issue 27:23 well i suppose we could always say these are the dates and this is the time and if somebody wants to come let us know 27:29 it might be 27:29 even just offer it up as an opportunity 27:32 yeah 27:33 yep 27:33 [anon_fn12] [anon_sn16] would be quite good as well [pause] 27:39 yeah i'll wait and see what they say and hopefully we'll get some more details soonish or in the next month or so because uh well actually in the next week or so because it's happening this month uh but yeah i'll let you know 27:53 yeah it's after the [anon_inst202] anyway so at least [breath] 27:57 yeah 27:58 i also realised i need to do my safeguarding training before a particular date in may so i have to squeeze that one in 28:04 oh yeah i'm sure it won't take too long it was only 28:07 !yeah/! 28:07 i think like 20 quid 28:08 yeah 28:09 yeah 28:09 uh just a couple of other bits um the [anon_pl5] project i'm a little bit worried about because it was meant to be= so that's the workshops taking place in [anon_inst15] about the um [anon_pl5] [anon_inst36] exhibition and then following on from that they wanted [anon_fn38] and [anon_fn26] to host their [anon_ev6] um also in [anon_inst15] um and [anon_fn38] and [anon_fn26] are really keen to do that and they suggested a date it's the 24th of june um but the communication's been a little bit slow between us and the exhibition and today they've got back to me and said they can't do the 24th of june they'd like to do the 21st of may for the workshop which is obviously really soon and then the eighth of june for the um [anon_ev6] poetry thing um which is a different day to the one [anon_fn38] and [anon_fn26] wanted um so i just kind of think i'm going back and forth between these great hardworking teenagers and this museum a lot and i don't want to stress them out [breath in] but i've asked them if they could do these new dates um and see what they can say and hopefully even if they can't do the workshops in literally like two or three weeks um hopefully they can do the [anon_ev6] on that date at least but [breath in] going to wait and see what the [anon_inst36] people say um but yeah it's a bit of a shame it's just all been quite a lot of back and forth and feels like nothing is really getting sorted um 28:26 [anon_$007] who are the people that you're speaking to at the [anon_inst36] 29:41 so it's a [anon_inst31]+ 29:41 ![unclear]/! 29:44 +are curating with it um so it's a researcher from the [anon_inst31] called oh what's she called she was the one who did the tour of the [anon_pr12] 29:57 she's a curator for the [anon_inst31] so it's an opportunity to have that curated to the young people in the workshops are very tight unless [anon_fn26] and [anon_fn38] already have people in mind 30:14 =yeah which i'm not sure so [breath in] yeah that's kind of a bit of a shame really but at least if we have the [anon_ev6] they can you know there could be a bit of an introduction from the curator um and maybe a tour of the exhibition or something beforehand even if the workshops don't happen but yeah i think they've been a bit ambitious with+ 30:36 =yeah i mean+ 30:36 +timings 30:36 unless we could approach say one of the societies because there's like ancient literature history or something like that in the [anon_inst31] 30:44 yeah like history society and things like that yeah that's a good idea 30:48 those two societies could get [pause] students or members [laugh] to attend 30:55 =yeah= 30:55 that could be quite ![unclear]/! for people but we'll need to let them know sooner rather than later 31:02 yeah it's funny because i think they kind of just wanted us to like source some youth for them i guess but then it seems [pause] that i don't know [pause]it doesn't feel very organized but that's a really good idea i'll recommend that they speak to a society ![unclear]/! 31:19 =![unclear]/! reach out to the other [anon_inst10]s like in in the city+ 31:24 yeah 31:25 +like with the contemporary or whatever and saying like we've got this opportunity if any of your members want to come to this 31:31 yeah and get people to sign up and if they get enough then they go ahead and if they don't they don't um yeah we've definitely got lots of people who can promote it with so i guess just have to hope for the best but yeah it's exam time as well um [pause] maybe i'm being cynical and negative but i just don't [laugh] feel like i just don't know if there's enough time but yeah we can just try our best+ 31:53 =i think 31:53 +and send it out to everyone+ 31:54 =i think the thing= 31:55 +and see what happens 31:56 =[anon_$007] looking at your reaction is right is is you know is is and then also to manage expectations of that partner and say look like hey you know we can try for these dates but like just giving you a heads up it's exam time x y and z and so attendance might be not what we had anticipated+ 32:13 =yeah 32:13 +which is why we suggested a later date that way if they go ahead and they don't get as many people as possible you've been really clear and said+ 32:21 =yeah 32:21 +we go ahead with these caveats and then you know noone noone can turn around and go oh we were expecting like this many people and we only got whatever is you know+ 32:32 yeah 32:33 ![unclear]/! 32:33 ![unclear]/! 32:33 yeah i mean we've been having conversations with them since since february so i don't know how it takes them so long to confirm but+ 32:41 yeah yeah that's a good idea i'll let them know [laugh] um 32:46 they're very keen to get uh to have uh creative writing in the gallery so moving forwards we could do more work with them as well 32:55 yeah uh i think that's everything from me apart from the [anon_pl4] exhibition which is going well and i think that's gonna be great um and there's a few kind of events going on with chinese right now it just sent over so if you want to go to any of those let me know and i can book you in um+ 33:11 =when are you going to talk with [anon_fn26] and 33:16 so their interview they're having their training on monday um and their interview is on sunday the 22nd 33:26 yeah so that's the= next= the day after the workshop so i'm going to be= it's not really great 33:32 yeah [laugh] 33:32 [sneeze] 33:36 bless you 33:36 [sneeze] 33:38 yeah 33:40 yeah we'll see i'll speak to the [anon_pl5] lady [laugh] 33:44 ![unclear]/! okay um and and in terms of partnership projects we had an email from [anon_inst] yesterday from the [anon_pr13] project um ![unclear]/! [anon_inst4] and and even though we've not been promoting it much they they originally ![unclear]/! developed the project in 2020 and they contacted three of our writers that um kind of applied at at that time and then invited them to take part so that's really really great news so [anon_$003]'s aware of it [anon_$007] aware of it we can track it track it 34:29 mm 34:30 and uh yeah i mean that's that's i don't know seems like a nice collaboration nice opportunity to work with them without having to do that much work [laugh] so 34:44 !the only other thing i wanted to say/! it's more of a comms one is that [anon_fn] got in touch about ma= the mousetrap anniversary about doing something about marking that but !get back/! to [anon_$003] and [anon_$005] to pick that up so like premiere at the [anon_inst5][anon_pl3] and it's on in [anon_pl13] too so let's= 35:04 it premieres in [anon_pl3] i saw a= at the end of september yeah so it's quite a long time 35:09 it originally was here in 1952 so yeah we'll see 35:16 that's cool 35:18 anything else 35:21 not for me 35:22 um just action checker i guess i think oh i just have= i have an any other business [laugh] um which is just about the um governance subcommittee meeting i've had [anon_fn37] [anon_sn17] pa emailing me and asking if it's going ahead um and dunno is it going ahead on friday 35:44 uh [anon_fn16] ![unclear]/! he was going to suggest um canceling it and i asked him if he wanted us to cancel it or who was going to email her and i've not heard back from him 35:53 okay 35:53 +so i'll nudge him this evening on that 35:58 great uh yeah now that really is everything from me [laugh] 36:05 [pause] anything relevant with the [anon_pr83] 36:07 [anon_$007] 36:07 mm [pause] no the only thing to do on that is um sort the [anon_inst32] recruitment which i um on so that should be done by the end of the week 36:24 yeah i mean i think well i've got a couple of things so with [anon_inst17] we have a couple of [anon_inst17] student challenges one is with illustration um illustration [tech noise] and graphic design they're presenting their new= their their final uh uh briefs on monday so [anon_$003] and i will go to that and uh and there's another one with hr [anon_inst17] hr students and they're going to look at our staff handbook and just give some advice [laugh] [pause] that's it [pause] okay well thank you everyone 37:08 thanks 37:09 and i'll see you soon 37:11 see you soon bye 37:13 bye transcribed by https://otterai 0:03 so that should be happening now upps turn off that transcription i'm not yeah okay it'll come up okay [pause] good uh [anon_$024] is going to join us a little bit late and i think um [anon_$021] is joining us as well isn't she [anon_$020] [pause] 1:22 yeah i think she is yeah 0:20 [pause] [tech noise] yeah [tech noise] [pause] everybody's very quiet and sluggish this morning [laugh] the impact of the end of semester i think as well isn't it everyone's feeling a bit depleted [pause] [tech noise] [pause] right do you know what we might start away actually on on a few bits [anon_$020] that [anon_$021] will already be aware of in any case um in terms of what's happening [pause] so um yeah good morning everyone and thanks a million for for coming along to the meeting we haven't had one for a while but we didn't really need to there was a lot of activity going on in the background [cough] and i'm a firm believer in only having meetings when we need them so um lots uh the abstracts have all come in fabulous turn around thanks to everybody for all their cooperation on that and for turning around the reviews really quickly and thanks [cough] especially to the um abstract submission and review team who i know were beavering away in the background and getting lots of things organized so well done to everybody um we have around 100 presentations in total um which you know that's that's what we were hoping for that's what we're aiming for um at the same time it's probably the very minimum that we need so i'm pleased that it's got to that there are a few very few kind of late ones coming in and if they do we're still accepting them if anybody hears of anybody or gets any inquiries do just put them in touch because there's no reason not to accept them at this stage the schedule hasn't been done and there's nothing else um happening that uh would prevent us from accepting any late ones but we're not advertising that fact either i think we extended the deadline and that's um you know that's probably as much as as we want to do [breath in] so that's all been happening um and a few other things as well so we have um a few updates at the moment we have um 44 registrations um so that's you know that's that's what tends to to happen the registrations will come in last minute before the earlybird closes which is the end of may and we've also given as you'll have seen all of the speakers have until the end of may to register as well so that's when we'll really get a sense uh an overall sense of numbers but um you know it's it's tipping away nicely to have that many registrations in um we're all fine with you know room bookings accommodation all of that is happening the plenary speakers are being looked after in the background the flights are being booked i think this week is the plan to get them um booked on flights so that uh they'll be all sorted and ready to come um accommodation um obviously is part of the package we were told yesterday by the the conference partners [anon_fn1] and um [anon_fn2] that uh accommodation is is under severe demand on campus this this summer there's a lot of events happening and lots of catch up so if anybody does need accommodation or knows anybody who needs accommodation i mean we've booked enough rooms for this conference but at the same time don't be slow to to you know tell friends or colleagues to to book um as soon as possible just to make sure that um that they get what they want okay so that's kind of it on the the kind of the the communications with the conference partners um we might run around i'm sure there'll be various things coming up we'll run around to the various teams did i see i did see oh no i didn't see [anon_$021] coming in actually um [anon_$022] we might start with with you and [anon_$023] maybe on the social media anything to update or report there 1:56 um nothing major i think um there's yeah still a bit of activity people kind of following um up the last couple of months um put out a few tweets just based around the uh acceptances coming out but [tech noise] that [pause] created a nice bit of organic activity to be retweeted that stuff so um and then the odd tweet in between those things with just pictures of the campus from my morning jogs [laughs] around the campus+ 3:57 =yes fabulous [laughs] 4:04 +as as the seasons are changing i think it's just kind of um attracts people to the location as well um [pause] apart from that i can't think of much [anon_$023] do you have anything to add there 4:04 no i guess this was the quietest period for us because all of the abstracts had been submitted and there weren't as many notifications that we had to send out so i guess we were just retweeting and sharing things when necessary so i guess this was our quietest period calm before the storm [laughs] 4:52 yeah 4:53 [laughs] 4:51 great thanks a million guys it's it's been wonderful 4:54 =and the next thing will be those those deadlines for registration 4:54 yes 4:55 sorry [anon_$019] 4:56 yes absolutely 4:58 deadlines for registration and the early bird and stuff coming up at the end of may so that'll be our next+ 5:01 =yeah and also um b= before the end of next week we hope to have the workshops the pre conference workshops advertised and up on the website ready for registration um so that'll be another one um that will need uh a few tweets um we're planning to keep the workshops free in terms of registration other than maybe a small cost for uh lunch for anybody who wants to avail of that option if they're attending a full day workshop so i think that's quite a nice um attractive feature as well to the conference to be able to avail of a workshop for basically for free um so they will be all sorted by the end of next week as i said and uh up on the website so that's another+ 5:16 =um just um to flag as well there for [anon_fn3] it it it may trigger some inquiries if people want to maybe have a connection like if they just they see the workshops they they they've decided maybe well i'll actually come a day early just to flag that might come up and i think if i remember correctly [anon_$019] is the process that i think [anon_fn1] and [anon_fn2] can do that um directly [pause] if i remember 6:07 yeah i were they going to do it on the website in the end [anon_$020] i can't remember what the discussion was 6:12 yeah maybe one we need to go back to cos i imagine [anon_fn3] will get+ 6:16 =yes 6:16 +an enquiry or two on that you know just the what if go back on it because i've i've had a few inquiries just from people i know 6:22 [pause] yeah let's let's double check i'll i'll double check that with um [anon_fn1] and [anon_fn2] to see if 6:29 mhmm 6:29 that's an option on the on the registration form 6:31 yeah say someone may have already booked x number of nights and then they might want another one or equally i think the problem with the booking now maybe they've sorted that was that they it didn't necessarily allow you book before a certain date [pause] but there was no problem when people you know inquired [pause] 6:50 yeah yeah i mean it's not an issue so but but it would be easier if we could put a clear message on the website in advance you're right [anon_$020] 6:58 yeah 6:58 so you don't get lots of of emails in relation to accommodation for the workshops [breath in][pause] okay [breath out][pause] great um we'll move on to um i'm not seeing [anon_$021] either yet [anon_$020] but that's okay we'll we'll wait another while um+ 7:16 =i just sent her a text there [anon_$019] so 7:18 +yeah maybe she could sometimes she has technical difficulties getting in doesn't she [breath in] um i'll just run through some of the other um the other um groups um some some of the other teams will be starting to become a bit more active fairly fast now so [anon_$025] uh your group on the session chairs and the the programming and all that will will start to really from the end of may once we have the early bird registration out of the way then we'll have a sense of who's who's actually attending um what does tend to happen there as well and again [anon_$025] just keep an eye out for for this um once people register you you then often get a bit of a flurry around people requesting their presentation on specific days [pause] so you know for travel reasons or for whatever reason they they're you know they're they're happy to so it would be useful just to keep uh a kind of a you know a little excel sheet or something with those requests on them so that when um [anon_$026] and [anon_$021] and others start to work on the schedule and the chairs then we we have um that to hand fairly easily so that we can we'll try and accommodate those requests of course if possible um usually it is if they come in early um in advance of the schedule being drafted [pause] um so is there anything+ 8:30 =do we have+ 8:30 +[anon_$026] yeah 8:31 +no do we have any idea of the number of people who volunteered to be chairs 8:37 yes we do that is all and available and should be easily downloadable um [anon_$021] is is the lady to talk to+ 8:45 +![unclear]/! 8:45 +for that she she certainly will be able to download that very easily it's on i've seen it's on on a sheet on a on a column on a spreadsheet um the the ticks are there so 8:55 +yeah yeah so [anon_$027] and myself will will have a meeting so it will be closer to the end of may youre saying before we+ 9:02 =i'd say probably the first couple of weeks in may [anon_$026] 9:05 okay yeah 9:06 we'll start kind of pulling the the registration information um and then there's usually kind of a week where we have to follow up with people who who have been accepted to present a paper but may not have registered just to figure out if they are or if they're not coming 9:20 mhmm 9:20 because there's always a few stragglers um and then once we have that probably around the second week in may+ 9:25 +okay 9:25 +we should be ready to start am getting a schedule and the chairs together 9:29 okay yes 9:30 that's that's it and we'll have to cross check as well [anon_$026] we'll have to cross check the chairs with the registrations 9:36 mmhmm 9:37 to make sure that anybody who volunteered to chair is actually attending 9:40 grand yeah perfect 9:41 but you know= we have uh we have um quite a few um emails that went out to the chairs last year i i certainly from from the [anon_ev2] conference we have them well drafted and with the information that they need and things like that so i'll pull those up as well [anon_$026] and start forwarding them over 9:57 mhmm do you think there is a need for kind of a training session or any kind of um [laughs] or maybe just an email with things to watch out for or something like that might be as good 9:57 i think so given that it's a face to face conference it's probably okay i mean last year we did offer training to the chairs because+ 10:15 mm 10:15 +it was all fine on the technical side of things 10:18 mmhmm 10:18 needed going through um but i think this year i'd be happy enough i think to what do others think i think just provide them with the you know we're back to the kind of yellow and red cards and things like that in the rooms 10:30 yeah 10:31 i think it's fair i think an email is enough otherwise it's just+ 10:33 =yeah 10:33 +more for us to to organize unnecessarily probably 10:38 +yeah exactly ![unclear]/! 10:38 +yeah this'll be my first face to face conference um just cos i started online uh but what i'll do is i'll go to another session so+ 10:38 =yeah what we could do is+ 10:39 +don't put me first [anon_$026) [laughs] 10:43 [laughs] 10:44 i was going to say that we could put a little instruction sheet with those cards in the room simple you know+ 10:56 =yeah 10:56 +four or five little hints or something like that would be good just kind of guidelines 11:00 yeah yeah perfect and i suppose to have a kind of subs as well as we did for the um oh there's [anon_$021] now as we did for um the um [anon_ev2] conference 11:12 yes+ 11:13 + ![unclear]/! team 11:15 subbing= subbing for the [anon_ev2] one was fun [laughs] virtual 11:19 [laughs] running virtually from one room to the next 11:21 [laugh] 11:22 it's actually harder than running physically from one room to the next actually [laugh] 11:26 trying to figure out um the chinese+ 11:27 =who's in and who's not in who's in and who's not and getting in [laugh] 11:30 [laugh] morpheme talk 11:35 halfway through the paper trying to make yeah ask an intelligent question at the end of it [laugh] 11:39 [laugh] exactly 11:40 [laugh] such are the joys actually in in face to face conference it's not that difficult when you know a few of us will kind of hover as well on the days between the rooms and just kind of you know peek in and make sure everything is is going to plan so it should run more smoothly [breath in]+ 11:58 =![unclear]/! and all that 12:01 +okay um so that's the the uh session chairs and the kind of scheduling side of things um i did see [anon_$021] coming in [anon_$021] are you there [anon_$021] 12:12 hi apologies technical difficulties this morning [laugh] 12:15 we figured [laugh] okay we've just gone through some of the the social media stuff and updates and um from yesterday and also just talking a little bit about the schedule and registrations later on so [anon_$021] you probably have have most information to hand in terms of in terms of updates do you want to brief us on what's been what's been going on in the background from your end 12:37 sure so we've managed to get through 118 um ex= we have 118 accepted papers 12:46 mm oh that's i didn't realize it was quite that high fabulous 12:49 it's good um [pause] 10 of those being posters ten or twelve of those being posters sorry i'm just trying to find the number here um [cough] and the breakdown is we have around 11 from ireland which i actually thought was kind of low we have 33 from the uk and another 36 from the eu and then the rest are spread around the world we are as far away as japan taiwan a couple of people from uh from the southern hemisphere as well so it's really broadly spread um [pause] i'm expecting another six or seven papers to be ad+ 12:54 =but it's nice to have that buffer isn't it because not all of those people who have been accepted will ultimately travel 13:36 +yeah 13:36 yeah 13:37 yeah i wo= i would think so um so at the moment um [anon_fn2] sent me the numbers [pause] this morning and speaker registrations are [pause] actually i don't have a full number here but+ 13:53 =it was 44 yesterday [anon_$021] so it's probably around that still i would imagine 13:56 yeah yeah i will take that and there's quite a lot of people going through [anon_$025]'s inbox with queries so we've been dealing with them over the last uh last while there are a lot of queries coming in about uh paper acceptances we've had a good few rejections as well in the end but they were just papers that have gone through a very rigorous process we've had four reviewers for any paper that's been rejected so it's very very clearly um uh ju= just papers that didn't suit the theme of the conference really for the most part 14:34 great great [pause] okay does anybody have any queries or questions on on any of that [anon_$025] are there any particular kind of communications that that are coming through that um you you+ 14:48 +yeah yeah so+ 14:48 +need discussion or+ 14:49 +i suppose i was just um double checking that you know that i have everything had been followed up and i just identified uh one or two who um shou= should have been no= they were told they were notified but am we don't have any anything back from them to say whether they've made the edits or not i think as far as i know [anon_$021] one of them at least didn't come back with edits so i'm just going to chase back on these people who i think some people had difficulty navigating the website uh they seem to get lost as to where to click to find their um do you know whether their paper was accep= no not whether it was accepted because they got an email for that but where to go to do edits and then sometimes when they did edits um i think at least two submitted by mistake and then weren't able to go back to able to go back and resubmit an another version of the revised paper so maybe things to bear in mind for further conferences because they were i think you know it's a bit difficult to to uh to work with the platform or maybe it's it's a matter for everybody to get used to it um yeah some participants i think felt quite frustrated [laugh] even though there were they try not to have too frustrated a tone in their emails some of them you know you could sense it quite loud [laugh] and and obviously i replied and and there's a lovely communication with the registration team [anon_fn3] he's very good to follow up because obviously i don't have access to the platform myself so i you know communication is where and [anon_$021] is wonderful thank you [anon_$021] for you know um following up everything that i wasn't able to to follow up on so great team but you know yes sometimes you know it's not always and thank you very much for your help [anon_$019] and [anon_$020] as well when i wasn't sure how to word an answer you're always there to help me+ 15:10 =not at all 15:10 +so great support but you know that's to be expected to know uh that people will encounter difficulties you know that that's to be expected and there's also one paper [anon_$021] that uh you know i talked to you about it i won't say the name but of a person who it seems i don't know might not be accepted but he's asking for an acceptance letter so we'll we'll talk about that separately yeah 14:49 yeah it does get busy around emails from here on out really and um thanks for for keeping on top of them you're really efficient with them um and of course [anon_$021] i mean you know you're very familiar with the different platforms and and feedback to [anon_fn1] and [anon_fn2] in terms of the [anon_inst236] platform will always be welcome it is a newish platform and then they can constantly feedback as well so um that's good [pause] okay great thanks a million is there anything else [anon_$021] at at your end 17:30 uh just just to follow on from what [anon_$025] was saying we have around we only have around seven papers who haven't submitted uh of the group that were accepted with edits we have around seven that still haven't managed to get through so it is it's it's difficult supporting people who are trying to um complete their edits so we're leaving the platform open till the 16th of may at the current time as an extension so anyone can go in and edit their paper cos it's such a busy time of the year um and in that time as well any new papers i suppose particularly from committee members who might have a really really really late abstract to submit you can still put [laugh] it in until the 16th of may and we will we will find it on the system for you and get it through 17:34 yeah it's always a difficult balance isn't it i mean most conferences don't really allow for edits but the fact that we've been doing stuff online and and and the system allows for it we decided to do that to give people the opportunity to to hone the abstracts but then of course the downside of that is sometimes the technicalities around it can be challenging so yeah it's it's something to bear in mind i suppose for for the future [pause] okay great thanks uh thanks everybody um okay we'll move on to [pause] um yeah the the uh [anon_$025] there was one other thing that uh we were going to mention are you okay with all of the kind of there there will be some requests for letters and certificates and all that kind of thing coming in as well 18:24 =yeah my my understanding is that [anon_fn3] takes care of that when+ 19:00 =that's what i was just going to say+ 19:07 +so basically i forward um 19:11 yeah 19:12 such a person is looking for an acceptance letter or and he is very good and he double checks as he did for the person i i mentioned that he he saw that person hadn't been accepted so he couldn't issue a letter 19:18 yeah absolutely+ 19:19 =uh yeah 19:24 +the conference partners generally take care of all that certification and letters and whatever else needs to be done which is great they have kind of templates that they use+ 19:32 =and [anon_$019] 19:33 yeah and also just for the documentation may i just thank [anon_fn4] [anon_fn4]'s taking notes today 19:37 oh lovely 19:37 just to say thanks 19:38 thanks [anon_fn4] [laughs] 19:40 and [anon_$019] did did we decide at one of the weekly meetings that given how how many requests came in after [anon_ev2] for letters uh certifying uh certs of of you know that a person presented a paper particularly in countries like spain you have to have a cert did we decide that it was easier if [anon_fn2] just gave everybody a cert because she just had it went on and on and on you know the emails looking for certs for months after the conference 20:12 yeah we we i remember we had that discussion [anon_$020] then i can did we go around in a circle a bit with it+ 20:16 =mm yeah 20:16 +because what happens is [pause] even if you issue everybody with a kind of a standard template cert inevitably people come back because they want specific+ 20:24 =mmhm 20:25 +information on it 20:26 yeah 20:26 and every university in spain wants something different not just spain [laughs] you know [laughs] not using that 20:32 ![unclear]/! [laughs] 20:32 [laughs] as an example forgot this is being recorded [laughs] 20:36 [laughs] 20:36 so it's it's just using it as an example that sometimes people require specific information but yeah maybe maybe it's better it might actually+ 20:44 +yeah yeah ![unclear]/! 20:45 +stop the kind of tsunami of of emails following the conference 20:48 i mean spain is a good example because genuinely your portfolio has to have it so you're right that has specific requirement it has to have particular things on it 20:57 yeah 20:57 so yeah maybe you and i could bring that up next week 20:59 yeah 20:59 just to see um it's really to minimize workload for [anon_fn2] because as you remember [anon_$019] 21:05 yeah 21:05 and [anon_$021] you remember too it went on for months 21:07 and and some of them you know wanted more than than what was required and some of them we had to stamp and sign [anon_$020] and some of them 21:15 mhmm 21:15 they were happy conference partners and yeah it does just when you're beginning to kind of breathe a sigh of relief 21:21 [laugh] 21:21 when it's all over this [laughs] this kind of starts up [laugh] but look equally we're happy to to accommodate people as much as possible that's that's part of the nature of these conferences 21:30 yeah great 21:31 we'll bring that up yeah thanks [anon_$020] [pause] okay um and i think we'll move over to you [anon_$028] cos i think you've been having some discussions on now we can start really thinking in earnest about social events and and those niceties of the conference so i know that you had a a meeting with [anon_fn1] and and [anon_fn2] so do you want to maybe give us a quick update 21:50 yeah i will indeed um yeah they're brilliant i mean they they really have it in hand uh um so we're gonna have a follow up meeting next week because what they wanted to see was the registrations to date and i know i'm hearing we're not fully there and we're doing it early may in order to get in in good time and then they're getting very busy with conference other conferences as well um but we're planning for two entertainment slots um within the conference so the welcome event which is going to be in the [anon_pl229] and that'll be more background music so we're gonna engage with the [anon_inst1] um and get get so for example we haven't now we haven't finalized [anon_fn2] um at our next meeting she'll come back with with suggestions but for more background music for the welcome reception something irish themed and then for the conference dinner again irish themed um perhaps traditional music dancers as well um i suppose we have a budget 1200 so i think that's i think it's about 100 euro per person per hour as in per performer so we should be good to get um something substantial you know what i mean for the for the pavilion dinner um and then after that really any extra events um they will there i mean there isn't that much time because you've got the welcome event on the wednesday and then you've got the conference dinner so we will be offering suggestions we'll keep them campus based [anon_fn2]'s gonna come back to us but we talked about morning yoga which i think was done for um [anon_ev2] um last year which um an art tour of the campus a flora and fauna tour of the campus so she's going to come back to us with details on that and we'll be able to publicize that and even on our website already from the get go they've put up quite a few suggestions of you know places to visit in [anon_pl1] and around [anon_pl1] as well um i think that's it yeah they're just they're brilliant i mean they they just have it in hand and [anon_fn2] who takes the lead on the entertainment side and her contacts um so yeah so i shall have what i'll do is i think i'll send after we have our follow up meeting we'll begin to um so in the next few weeks i'll send everybody an email that might be the best idea and kinda detail out the specifics 23:59 great and and the conference dinner is on the friday evening isn't that right [anon_$029] 24:04 i think that's what i'm looking at um i've loads of notes and i'm thinking+ 24:07 =i think so yeah 24:08 so yeah i think so as well so the wen= so the wednesday yeah we talked about that so the wednesday will be the welcome reception thursday first full day and then conf= you know people relax and into a conference dinner friday so we're not gonna organize another event for the thursday both from a budget and just to you know i think people have enough going on 24:28 and and people might want to pop into the city for dinner+ 24:31 =exactly 24:31 +explore for themselves and no i i think two organized events one of which is a conference dinner plus the other little bits and pieces is is more than enough for a short conference um [anon_$028] is asking the capacity of the [anon_pl229a] i think we'll be fine it's it's the big room isn't it which is now converted to a a classroom but can be presumably for the summer kind of reconverted into uh a function room+ 24:52 =yeah 24:52 +that's the one talking about [anon_$029] isn't it with all the glass on it 24:56 yes yeah yeah 24:57 i think ![unclear]/! too big yeah yeah 25:00 yeah 25:00 [anon_$029] just uh just um something that uh [anon_fn2] may already have but it might be useful um for the website as well to have a listing uh of re= restaurants in [anon_pl1] um for you know people if they want to book something for thursday night etc 25:00 yeah 25:17 i'm sure they have it 25:19 i'll have a look on the website if it's not there that's something then we need to+ 25:23 yeah ![unclear]/! anyway 25:26 and at any stage do we go out or is it just through the website we publicize anything like that and then we tweet about it on social media or publicize um on social media 25:38 and i think they can probably quite easily build it into the conference app as well [anon_$029] when the time comes um so they will be you know we we were talking yesterday about having um a pdf kind of book book of abstracts available on the app+ 25:51 =yeah 25:51 +as well as the schedule and things like that so i would imagine that they can have a little button or a tab or something on the app which will you know allow them to advertise the social events and restaurants and things like that [pause] kind of you know additional information or useful information 26:08 yep 26:08 even taxi numbers that kind of stuff they're as you said they're well used to this they know exactly what what people are are looking for and what people need 26:15 yeah 26:16 so that's the exciting bit of it's nice to start thinking about those 26:18 [laughs] 26:18 social events isn't it and being on campus for them 26:21 i know it is 26:21 hard to believe 26:22 and then brin= yeah 26:23 it it's definitely looking like it i mean i really think um for now at least and and hopefully we we're coming quite close to the summer i think any discussion of of an online event is probably moving further into the background thankfully um and we've we've made uh a firm statement also about not having a blended options other than the recording of the plenary sessions which we will do and make them available possibly not live but but certainly afterwards [pause] so i think that's that's as much as as um we're committing to and i think we've been fairly clear in the messaging around that and the external organizing committee are also in supportive of of that decision i think [pause] so um yeah it does though raise the the issue as as you were saying um [anon_$021] a lot of papers have come in from far reaches of far corners of the world and you do wonder if some of those people were maybe hoping that at last minute it would convert into an online conference and whether they'll actually make it in person but look we we there's nothing we can do about that well just have to wait and see [pause] so we do have a nice little buffer okay good um i'm just looking here have we missed is there is there anything else from from anybody i think i've gone through all the various groups [pause] 27:39 um yeah can i can i oh sorry [anon_$031] 27:42 no [anon_$025] that's fine ill come to [anon_$028] 27:43 [laugh] no about publishers i suppose it's early days but i've had a second a second email from the same person from [anon_inst2] um i'm just wondering i i've sent him a message already to say we'd discuss it and so i'll have to to reply to him again but i'm just wondering it's probably early days but how should i+ 28:05 +no i think 28:05 reply to him+ 28:06 [anon_$020] has started um looking 28:08 um okay 28:08 we did have some email discussions didn't we [anon_s020] because we ![unclear]/! 28:10 yeah yeah um normally uh so i think um [pause] the norm for [anon_inst3] and [anon_$027] would be much more familiar is that the an edited volume it's not proceedings it's a kind of curated volume of a certain number of papers comes out of the um each conference and it's always been published by [anon_pub1] so [anon_$019] and i will be putting in a kind of pre proposal uh for that and um so that's normally where we go uh other approaches we can deal with on a case by case basis so might i might follow up with you um i i may have already corresponded on that [anon_$025] but i'll follow up after the meeting on on that one [pause] 28:56 okay thanks 28:57 sorry uh just to continue on with that [anon_$020] it was with me he contacted me as well and i responded+ 29:03 =okay 29:04 +to him with the wording that you had given me i think his name was [anon_fn5] i'm looking in my email 29:09 yeah yeah 29:10 he he sent another email yesterday that's why i'm bringing it up 29:14 yeah okay 29:14 what i'm going to do [anon_$025] is il'l i'll forward my correspondence with him as well so you're aware of what i have said to him 29:21 perfect yeah thank you 29:22 yeah yeah um that also triggered um 29:26 yeah 29:26 a query it's come to my mind did we has anyone been in touch in terms of actually having a stall at the conference a book a bookstall um [anon_pub1]+ 29:37 =um yeah i think there was i think there was one i have to double check know who it was exactly i think just one+ 29:44 =yeah 29:44 +person 29:45 yeah it's probably [anon_pub1] um they uh [anon_$027] you might remember in [anon_inst1] they had a big stall they may have been the only um the only publisher [pause] there 29:56 i think yeah i think did [anon_fn6] mention one other maybe [anon_$020] i cant remember 30:00 yeah 30:00 but we did did we do a mail shot um i'm sorry now my memory is terrible um did we do a mail shot to the to the publishers like we did for [anon_ev2] we were talking about it but we didn't in the end did we 30:11 no no we didn't 30:12 oh no i think [anon_fn2] [anon_fn1] was going to put together a package wasn't that it 30:16 okay yeah 30:17 now its coming back to me 30:18 that's another one maybe for us to follow up on [anon_$019] isn't it 30:21 yeah yeah i'd forgotten about that yesterday um so [anon_fn1] kind of puts together a package um for publishers um yes cos remember she said that she could even provide them with some simple online options for the app advertising through the app and things like that so she was going to put together various options and a kind of uh a price package around some of those things+ 30:42 =yeah 30:42 +that we could then email to the publishers so yeah we do probably need to follow up on on that 30:46 yeah 30:46 with her [anon_$020] 30:46 and we're not late because i think with+ 30:49 =no 30:49 +all the uncertainties publishers probably wouldn't be in a position to decide until you know around now anyway so we'll do that um and you and i [anon_$019] um can um follow up then once we've had a chat with them 31:01 yeah 31:01 ac= actually uh sorry i just remember now i don't have the email there but we were contacted by a person who said that they would send us brochures and things like that but they wouldn't man a stand 31:12 mmhmm 31:12 there was one 31:13 yeah 31:13 email like that that person said we will send you 31:16 yeah 31:16 things but we won't be manning a stand yeah 31:18 yeah 31:18 yeah 31:19 i guess we're trying to be paperless so uh ideally something digital on the app what do you think [anon_$019] 31:26 absolutely yeah 31:27 yeah 31:27 i think it would have to be yeah 31:29 so maybe [anon_$025] uh if you want to liaise with us on that one as well because maybe something [anon_fn1] could then follow up on with the package 31:38 yeah i mean if it's something practical like you know pens and notepads or something like that fair enough but not kind of pointless flyers that that just get you know thrown into the recycle bin i think we definitely want to steer away from that 31:49 mmhmm 31:49 we've already you know made decisions about being as environmentally conscious as we can in terms of you know name badges and lanyards and and different 32:30 mmhmm 31:59 things books of abstracts um so i think we need to to stick with that and and you would imagine the publishers would surely be thinking along those lines nowadays as well that they've they've changed their way of thinking about you know gone are the days where you get you know kind of a two ton bag full of flyers and [laugh] brochures and all sorts of things [laugh] okay that's great thanks [anon_$025] for that um and we'll follow up as you say [anon_$020] as well great does anybody else have have anything else that they want to raise at this stage [anon_$028] sorry yes you did have your hand up earlier please [anon_$028] yeah 32:34 no no problem at all um yeah i was just thinking about the the poster session um this might be a stupid suggestion but i feel like sometimes they get lost or aren't you know super well attended uh and i was wondering if there's a way we could maybe incorporate the posters into some of the other [pause] i suppose points of the conference so that people can kind of engage with them a little bit passively so they might be more inclined to to you know go and talk about them uh i'm just thinking for example maybe the welcome session if they could be kind of in the background i don't want to change the the vibe of the session either you know and make it about the posters but just a suggestion 33:08 absolutely um i mean normally what we've tried to do in the past is make sure that they're either integrated or very close to where the teas and coffees are being served so that people kind of you know um naturally you know hover and and go and speak to people uh [anon_$021] can you remind us how many posters we have first of all so that we can maybe have a think about that [dog barking] we've got quite a few haven't we+ 33:32 + ![unclear]/! is actually quite low it was only around 11 33:36 oh yeah well that's that's enough that's 33:37 um i think there's there's one that um i think i think from the authors that it's actually that they just clicked on poster instead of presentation um a group that i know so there must be uh they must be but i actually haven't been in touch with them yet um yeah it's a small number 33:59 okay and and in [anon_ev2] what we did was we had a specific session but that was because it was online as well so that was different [anon_$027] did you want to come in on that 34:06 uh yes uh just a memory of [anon_inst4] has come back to me and um it's that at the poster sessions i noticed that there was unsurprisingly a large number of posters from [anon_inst4]+ 34:08 =mm 34:09 +so they had what looked like a really big poster session but it it i think it as i recollect it was along the two sides of the wall of the main uh you know the main conference hall where the plenaries were and they filled i i didn't count them uh but they filled both you know sides of that wall but the vast ma= and i [pause] went around and looked at them dutifully and the vast majority were [anon_inst4] so um perhaps we could advertise internally among our own post grads to encourage more posters oh sorry yeah i should have said they were from [anon_inst4] and they were phd students 35:11 yeah that's a good idea yeah we could certainly have a a think about doing that and get in touch with anybody who may not have thought about it before now um actually you you've also just reminded me i can't remember if i said this at the last meeting or if we knew it at that stage that the [anon_pl231]'s out of commission for this summer uh we had planned to have plenary sessions there but they're refurbishing it so it's not available for any conferences for the duration of the summer um so the one that we have been moved to is the [anon_pl232] which isn't ideal but um it's it's the one that's in behind the main canteen the the level one canteen for those of you who don't know [anon_inst1] very well it's quite a nice size um but it does have a stage which is quite dark and gloomy looking [laugh] and not very inviting um so what we had your your point triggered this in my mind [anon_$027] um we had started already to look for things like um pop up banners for the university or the school or the faculty just to brighten up the stage actually aesthetically so that it would look more [laugh] inviting um so the people aren't looking at long dark kind of velvet curtains and things like that um so that that idea about having the posters in that space mightn't be a bad one actually and that would also um play to to your point [anon_$028] about having them somewhere quite central and playing a central focus and what we could even do then to make it even more explicit um [anon_$021] in the schedule we could almost at the end of some session just say 10 minutes for poster viewing or something like that so that it's actually explicit on on the schedule as well but we can certainly have a have a think about that but that would kill two birds with one stone quite nicely if we did display some of them in that space [pause] but then the the yeah only [breath out] i suppose the [anon_pl231] in terms of location was was better it's a nicer theater as well um i i do have a slight reservation but there's nothing we can do about it the fact that will now be moving between two buildings and it's quite a long distance for the plenaries [breath out] to the you know to the parallel sessions so if we do put the posters for example in the in the jonathan swift we'll really only be spending time there for the plenary sessions rather than [pause] you know and then moving back down to the the [anon_pl230] for for the other for the parallel sessions but look we'll have a think we'll have a think um because the [anon_pl230] space as well where the teas and coffees are served is quite intimate and and would be another good place to have them [pause] um yeah we'll have a think [anon_$025] did you want to come in on that 37:50 ![unclear]/!+ 37:50 +no sorry maybe maybe i missed the reason but why don't we have the main theater in the [anon_pl230] 37:57 it's just too big [anon_$025] 37:58 oh okay 37:59 it's it's you know we be lost in it in terms of the crowd size 38:02 okay 38:03 ![unclear/]! 38:03 because i i did attend a confer= uh an [anon_ev1] conference there where there were way fewer people than we will have and i didn't feel that that was an issue that it was half empty 38:15 well i've seen it cordoned off actually halfway down where they 38:17 yeah 38:18 move the uh uh my yeah my recollection is just that it was too big in terms of capacity and size [anon_$020] originally wasn't it and that the [anon_pl231] was fairly easily accessible but we didn't revisit that discussion when the [anon_pl231] became unavailable really sure we didn't 38:33 yeah correct and and you're right [anon_$025] um uh maybe maybe we should uh revisit that [anon_$019] and see like we could have sectioned off um moving around certainly it'd be better if we didn't have to move between [anon_pl230] it's lovely and kind of compact and yeah 38:51 and new and fresh as well yeah 38:53 yeah 38:54 just to clarify i i didn't actually mean to suggest that we put the posters in the plenary hall i just mentioned that in passing to make the point that it might be an idea if we have a very small number of posters to um encourage our own postgrad students to do posters 39:16 yeah absolutely yeah thanks [anon_$027] [pause] but yeah let's let's revisit that um you know what i might just uh draft an email after this meeting [anon_$020] anyway to to [anon_fn2] and [anon_fn1] [tuts] [anon_fn2] and [anon_fn1] and [laughs] for um in advance of our meeting with them next week so that they can have a think about some of these things yeah we didn't as i say revisit the idea i would imagine that it's not being used because if we're using the other parallel rooms in that week for our conference it's unlikely that somebody would have booked that big lecture theater for an individual event and even if they had it wouldn't be for the duration of all the days and we could even schedule our plenary session around um availability of that lecture theatre cos we haven't done any scheduling yet so that would work fairly well yeah yeah that's that's a good suggestion let's let's rethink about that one [breath in] because you know as we said the [anon_pl231] was a nice easy one you just simply walk across the nice campus and in the front door and you're in the [anon_pl231] but trying to find the the [anon_pl232] is a whole other ballgame [pause] okay great that's been really helpful thank you for all the suggestions does anybody have anything else before we finish up [pause] everybody okay great okay well we'll meet again in um uh what we'll probably do is where are we now in terms of time um yeah what we might do is is meet again probably in three to four weeks when the the registration situation and the scheduling needs to start kicking off and we need to make plans around that um and things should be a little bit clearer then as well [pause] okay lovely thank you all very much great to see you all this morning and uh enjoy the rest of the day and the week and we'll chat again soon 40:55 bye guys 40:56 bye 40:58 bye everyone 40:59 bye bye 41:00 bye 41:02 bye transcribed by https://otterai 0:02 okay mm good [breath in] right um this meeting won't take too long actually but i thought it was important that we would get together at this point um [pause] because the initial date for the early registration was um end of may so i thought this might give us a good indication [pause] um unfortunately the conference partners have been very busy running conferences on campus you'll have seen various things um happening and they they canceled our meeting on tuesday so we have some updates from emails and things like that but we we probably need to touch base with them again directly before [pause] we can finalize some decisions that we've been talking about so um i suppose i'll just give you as and [anon_$020] and uh [anon_$021] feel free to chip in as well i'll give you a couple of updates that uh we're aware of um so we have 96 93 i'm sorry 93 registrations um [pause] at the end of the month so that's relatively good we'd be hoping to to get it up to around 100 to to break even but we're looking as if we we can make it hopefully and there were a few in process you know some people couldn't pay online with cards and they wanted invoices so they'll take a bit longer and things like that so um i'm fairly confident that that we'll do okay on the registration [pause] um [cough] the= uh we have um [pause] reviewed and accepted three workshops [pause] which will be running [pause] on the day before the conference starts so one is a full day workshop and then there's two half day workshops um they were to be up on on the the website and and advertised but they haven't been put up yet so we'll follow up on that again um the idea is that we would um open those and send an email to everybody who had registered we're not planning on charging um any fee for the pre conference workshops we're going to to make those available for free um so hopefully we'll get that up there in the next couple of days [anon_$020] did you want to come in on that 2:04 um am i imagining or did the the person running the two day oh sorry the full [laugh] day workshop say that they would go half day given that the others were half day um i imagining that email [pause] i think ![unclear]/!= 2:18 = i think i think what happened was they made an inquiry because one of the reviewers had said had suggested that maybe a half day was enough [pause] [breath in] and then um we had kind of a chat and said no we're happy enough with a full day i i haven't heard anything since then but maybe+ 2:34 =yeah= 2:35 [anon_$021] and [anon_$025] have had uh more correspondence [pause] no okay 2:39 i i think that's that's at the stage that you just said yeah 2:42 mmhmm 2:43 which makes it kind of neat because we can offer the two half days then opposite the full day one+ 2:48 mmhmm mmhmm 2:48 +so people can have the option of either doing the two half days or one half day whatever um there is combinations should work for that so we very much want to get that up on the website fairly urgently and advertised and um sent out so that uh everybody can you know see it and i mean the big thing is that people might want to extend their you know their um accommodation and they may be about to book flights at this stage as well so they might want to link that in [breath in] so we will [pause] again follow up on the um website and the workshops we'll do that after this um [pause] session um [pause] okay i= are are there any more updates before we kind of pop around to to the various groups from [anon_$020] or [anon_$021] oh [anon_$020] the other thing is [anon_$020] [anon_$027] and i and [anon_$020] has done most of the the heavy lifting on this um have been putting together a proposal [pause] for a book which will come from the conference [anon_inst98] usually publish a book based on the papers in the conference so it's a [anon_$020] has mocked up a preproposal actually which [anon_$027] and i have had sight of and we've had a good look through it um and that is going off or maybe has gone on ready to [anon_inst98] [anon_$020] do you want to say anything more about that [pause] 4:05 yeah um just briefly yeah it's customary um that a selection now really you're talking 10 to 12 papers are selected um from each conference so there's like uh a nice little snapshot um [lip smack] around each conference so recently the one based on the [anon_pl191] um event came ou= uh came out the uh 2000 the last [anon_ev16] um so yeah yeah that's that's uh about to go off to the series editor um [anon_fn67] [anon_sn25] so yeah that'll be nice 4:36 mmhmm [pause] absolutely um [pause] are there any other updates on our end that i'm missing [anon_$020] or [anon_$021] or or [anon_$025] you've been very involved in emails as well and things like that [pause] 4:48 i don't think so i think the major um [lip smack] [pause] thing for us is just trying to get the um the workshops up on the website like there's no registration as such in terms of fee paying but you know we need a list obviously they're going to pay the idea is you pay for you just buy your own lunch so that way it makes it very attractive um there's no fee right [anon_$019] 5:11 no 5:12 yeah= 5:12 =no 5:12 that's so i agree with you people are planning and a lot of people might already have booked flights so it might be too late for some so that i guess that's holding up a lot of even you know social media we'll need a campaign on that as well so fingers crossed that we can push that one they've been incredibly busy and they're always they're always great you know but uh it's just capacity+ 5:30 =absolutely 5:30 +at the moment you know 5:31 yeah and and and linked to that sorry [anon_$025] i'll let you in in a second um linked to that is um [pause] the= there was a discussion that we had this week about um extending the early bird registration fee so we were waiting to and and there's no issue with that to be honest i don't think that's a problem now given the registrations i'm happy for people to pay the early the early bird fee as opposed to full fee um this isn't about making profit or anything like that so um what we wanted to do however was link that in with the date by which people needed to register for the workshops [breath in] so that they're not having to make decisions about coming and going and flights and all of that without knowing everything that they were getting involved in so if we can get the workshops up this week then if we extended the i mean i'd be happy to extend it until even a couple of weeks before the conference and say look it's all earlybird and that's the end of it and then no more registrations after a certain date [pause] what what do others think do you think that's fair if we i mean as i say it's not about making profit it's about breaking even and it looks as if [pause] we're probably just about there or thereabouts [pause] yeah no objections to that from anybody so that's great 6:40 =yeah i agree and i mean the [pause] the difference between the earlybird and the full isn't isn't massive and i mean maybe there's a week or two where the full is there but i agree with you you know i think the the earlybird is substantial anyway um so yeah i'm i'm definitely in agreement 6:56 great yeah okay [cough] excuse me and in relation to um [pause] registration for this group thanks to everybody for getting back to me um i think i'm just still waiting on one um we have um made arrangements with the with [anon_fn62] and um [anon_fn61] and i will be sending that list through to them this week again the updated list that i have and what they will do is they'll register so anybody who's availing of of free registration let's call it for now [breath in] um they will register you in the background and you'll probably get a confirmation email saying that you're registered with the details um so don't worry if you haven't seen that yet it will be coming and don't you know your your your registration will be processed that's not going to be an issue we've done that in the past with them and they just they just add them all in on the back end somehow yeah okay great okay so um at this stage it's really open to to the various groups to to give us any updates from things that you've been [anon_$025] sorry did you want to come in= 7:58 uh no no no no i just wanted to say but you just said that uh some people are requesting to extend the earlybird but you just said it so that's fine [laugh] 8:06 look i think just send them a a little holding email saying yes it is going to be extended um and mm [pause] i'm s= mm is there [pause] an issue with the fact= has it has it automatic= has it already switched on the website to full registration it hasn't great okay i was just afraid that there might be a couple of days where people actually did pay full registration and then we'd end up [laugh] having to refund them or something so it it has stayed as is on the website [anon_$021] has it 8:33 i checked it [pause] tuesday and it hadn't changed over so i i'm hoping that because tuesday was meant to be the first day of full registration 8:42 yeah [breath in] so look we'll send an update email to to the conference partners after this what i'll do is i'll look at the calendar and i'll find a date kind of for final registration and for the workshops um maybe the kind of the weekend not the weekend directly before the conference but the weekend before that which would be probably the the beginning of july and just say look everything closes then conference registration and early bird or registration full stop [pause] um and i'll email them those dates okay great [pause] super thanks for everybody all the= for all the work in the background on that because i know there's been a lot of to-ing and fro-ing on emails and people with different queries and i've had them coming in directly to me as well various people checking on registration and um and and that's understandable people kind of get into a bit of a panic about making sure the fee is paid and all those kinds of things not knowing that you know [pause] we're irish and it'll all work out on the day [laugh] that there won't be an issue around this um some universities work with conference [signal loss] partners ![unclear]/![tech noise] to the to the university and operate things in you know in quite a formal way whereas we're we're working very much in partnership with our people who are internal so there's not going to be an issue if you get any emails just reassure people that everything will get sorted and there is no issue same if there were kind of direct tweets coming in or anything like that but do let us know because then we'll raise them and highlight them at our meetings every tuesday with um [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62] just to make sure that they get responded to um because you can imagine there are probably hundreds of emails coming in for various conferences everyday to them at this stage [pause] okay so um i'm happy to to kind of open it up now to the various uh groups and teams um if you want to give us any kind of updates about what you've been working on or any comments or any questions that you have anything that's come up at your end from your discussions um [pause] oh yeah every time i go to every time i say that something else comes into my mind [laugh] and i keep talking apologies [laugh] um one thing that we will be doing when we when we meet the next time we'll need to start drawing [pause] uh pulling the data to see um to cross check [pause] how many of the presenters have registered and then we start working on the schedule so that hopefully will start to happen in the next week or so um normally what we would do is if there are um if there isn't one presenter at least from a paper from each paper or poster um or workshop or whatever it is then we would get back in contact directly with them by email to ask them to confirm that they're not attending or whether they are or not attending because when we start scheduling it's really important that we get it as close as possible to a kind of a final version and i know [anon_$025] has already been having requests in and and has created a very nice file with those requests which are easier to feed in before we start the scheduling rather than trying to retrofit them afterwards so that will be happening in the next week or so as well and and we'll be getting some of you involved in in doing that scheduling uh [anon_$026] you had something 11:45 yeah just as you mentioned scheduling there [anon_$019] um [pause] the chairing i suppose we can't really do anything on that until the the scheduling is in place i've had a quick chat with with [anon_$021] about it [pause] um earlier in the week so we need to wait til that's all in place 12:02 yeah i think they'll probably be happening together you know we'll+ 12:05 =okay= 12:05 + start the scheduling we'll start doing so i think we'd probably draw you into that conversation fairly early on [anon_$026] 12:11 =yeah yeah and we have [anon_$027] and [anon_$028] obviously+ 12:14 =absolutely= 12:14 + ![unclear]/! so yeah that's great no that's all i wanted to [pause] to say= 12:18 =yeah i think we'll get we'll get a little kind of working group of ourselves and [anon_$021] is brilliant at this kind of stuff and your team as well for for the chairs because that's all part of the one task if you'd like 12:28 mm 12:28 so yeah um we'll be in touch fairly soon about that 12:31 mm 12:32 good because we would hope that most of the speakers have registered by the original earlybird [pause] registration date which is what we had said there might be a few stragglers they're always is is there's always one or two but we can we can follow up on those okay so anything else from any of the other groups [pause] 12:51 i'll go if that's alright 12:53 ![unclear]/! [anon_$021] 12:53 because i actually have a little bit of an update on that from the 93 registrations that we have i've done a really quick headcount [pause] and we have 59 confirmed oral papers from external parties and that's not including your list [anon_$019] so [pause] i assume you maybe have around maybe 15 people [pause] from the papers that i'm that i'm looking at that would also be included in that so that would give us= 13:17 not quite as many as 15 but probably somewhere around seven or eight yeah 13:21 okay well well certainly so then [pause] adding adding that maybe around 70 then in total for oral papers and 11 confirmed posters so far for people who have paid the fee but there are as [anon_$019] said a good few people who are looking to come in um who've been in touch about extending the earlybird extension 13:42 yeah [pause] and and i think we can say we can reassure those people now that it is being extended and just to go ahead and register if it's still open on the website 13:50 yeah 13:51 um 13:53 maybe would the 30th of june be the date for that [pause] 13:56 let me just pull up the [pause] you know what i'll i'll have a good look afterwards um [anon_$021] and i'll copy you in on the email that i send um and then you'll have the dates from that yeah 14:08 and and [anon_$026] i was also going to send you the [pause] the draft book book of abstracts that comes out of the system but it's not giving us all of the details that we need in the background at the moment so after the team have been um [pause] after the team in registrations in [anon_inst72a] are a little bit less busy i'll just ask them if they can maybe adjust a couple of things in the background for you 14:33 great great thanks 14:34 but you will actually receive it as a word document you'll just have to move things around slightly 14:39 okay perfect 14:41 yeah [pause] but but ![unclear]/! starting from scratch so hopefully that'll that'll work out okay great thanks a million [anon_$021] that's really good to know okay oh [anon_$025] has just sent an updated document with the requests and and i guess more of those will be coming in yeah do you want to come in on that [anon_$025]= 14:59 =yeah ju= just to remind everybody but i'm sure you would do it anyway that if you do receive special requests that you send them to me so we have the one document otherwise it can get messy 15:10 absolutely yeah um any of the emails that i've got are not about scheduling they're about registration mainly and accommodation things like that yeah but if there's anything about [cough] about scheduling definitely send it to to [anon_$025] well to send it to the um [pause] the academic [pause] conference account okay um updates from any of the other teams anybody else want to come in [pause] 15:38 i'll come in to say i don't have an update and that i haven't been able to meet with [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62] on the social events um but we've a meeting scheduled for next tuesday 15:47 brilliant 15:47 so i 'd expect that we'll be able to finalize um entertainment for the the welcome reception and the conference dinner at night 15:54 yeah great 15:56 =they've just been busy as you've been saying 15:58 yeah it's kind of it happens in waves at this time of the year so they're they're on for a conference this week there'll be off next week and there'll be another one on whatever else um plus they have lost um some staff in the last few weeks which have made things even more [pause] difficult for them but they you know they they are very efficient usually and um i'm confident that everything will will get done okay any of the other teams we've heard from [anon_$026] um social media what's= how's things how are things going there [anon_$022] and [anon_$023] 16:24 um yeah fine [anon_$023] and i met face to face actually on monday which was nice and+ 16:28 =ah that's a rare occurrence these days 16:30 yeah yeah really rare especially when [anon_$023]'s in spain but um+ 16:34 [laugh] 16:34 [laugh] but uh we [pause] just kind of spoke i suppose about kind of putting a plan together after this meeting based on the updates from here and kind of realizing now i suppose that the next few things to put notices out about are um extending the earlybird when the workshops kind of there's a bit of a plan together for the workshops and maybe [anon_$029] as well you can let us know when events are um+ 16:55 =yeah= 16:55 a bit more sorted and we can 16:57 brilliant 16:57 put notices out about that as well um [pause] some direct messages mainly about the things [anon_$019] that you were saying are kind of typical um kind of documentation for visas and things like that but we passed on nothing about scheduling yet but we'll probably get a couple of those as well [anon_$025] will pass those on to you um [pause] [tut] and that's been abou= i guess what we're recently doing was pushing the earlybird deadline um 17:18 yep 17:18 and that might have boosted some registrations hopefully 17:21 i'm sure it did yeah so look i'll copy you in on that email as well with the dates [anon_$022] and feel free to start tweeting because it'll just stay open now i'm sure they're not going to close it without um getting back to us so once 17:31 yeah 17:31 i send that email then we'll decide on the date and we'll just leave it leave it at that 17:35 yeah perfect 17:36 great okay anything else from any of the 17:42 registration team my= i feel it a little bit bad because i feel like um i haven't really been doing anything um so look happy to come in on the on the book of abstracts or the the scheduling just just give us a shout if you want us to+ 17:56 =yep= 17:56 +to help out in any way 17:58 absolutely we might pull in on your team as well for that [anon_$024] 18:00 yeah 18:00 and [anon_$047] uh [anon_$047] has joined us recently as well uh i should have welcomed her this is her first official meeting i think right yeah you weren't at the last one so [anon_$047] has returned from uh maternity leave recently and is obviously very interested in [anon_ev16] and all things corpora um uh [anon_$047] i actually did have a thought that if if if you were happy to do this um it might be nice to have a direct contact point for the workshop organizers 18:26 yeah 18:27 just to have one person there's not much to do really 18:30 sure 18:30 but they you know there's a couple of things one of them wanted to have um recordings made of the workshop 18:37 okay 18:37 so we mentioned to to [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62] um and i'm not sure that that has gone anywhere um [anon_$020] actually you're the person to to ask well not you directly but i know that [anon_fn85] did some really good recordings for the thesis in three stuff they were very professional and the the final output was fabulous so uh [anon_$028] is here with us he was uh [laugh] 18:58 winner 19:00 were like a [laugh] rabbit in the headlights and [anon_$029][anon_$029] is here as well of course so i'm not sure who he got to do that [anon_$020] but it might be worth following up with them directly and i'm not sure what the cost was but for the workshop certainly the workshop conveners were happy to pay [pause] for the the cost of that themselves+ 19:16 yeah 19:16 +but might be for us to organize this for them 19:19 yeah i'll follow up on that 19:21 brilliant and if you let us and [anon_$047] maybe know and then [anon_$047] you can start communicating i'll send you [anon_$047] the details of the three workshop conveners and it's just to kind of say you know hi i'm here send them a little email um and i'll be kind of looking after any of your requirements as well as the conference team 19:38 okay 19:38 it's all it's often just for them to have a contact point on the academic side because they don't have 19:43 yeah 19:43 kind of direct access to the um [anon_inst82] um [anon_$028] is saying he thinks [pause] yeah but but they were really good well the the final ![unclear]/! output was really good so if anybody wants to see uh the thesis in three stuff it's up on the [anon_inst72a] [anon_inst100] [laugh] ![unclear]/!+ 19:58 =![unclear]/!= [laugh] 19:58 it's excellent really really professional well done to you all 20:06 absolutely congratulations 20:07 =definitely it looks amazing yeah well done 20:11 absolutely 20:13 and uh we believe we've we've been hearing that [anon_$028] is going on to to the next level and that there's a european kind of version of it 20:20 ![unclear]/! [laugh] 20:20 is that right [anon_$028] [laugh] ] so [anon_$028] is getting his hollywood face ready for that [laugh] 20:27 is that the [anon_inst17] version 20:29 [laugh] i wish [laugh] 20:31 [laugh] 20:33 you need some fire behind 20:34 [laugh] 20:34 you or something [anon_$28] 20:37 so we all turn out with our little clicky flags for that one [anon_$028] [laugh] 20:40 ![unclear]/! briliant 20:42 so there ![unclear]/! [pause] um so so yeah so [anon_$047] if you could be i'll follow up as i say with an email to you and just maybe just send them a little courtesy email saying we're here we're looking after everything it'll be up on the website soon it's going to be free blahdy blahdy blah um and we can be in touch about that directly so 21:02 great 21:03 i knew we'd find i knew we'd find something for you to do [anon_$047] [laugh] 21:05 [laugh] 21:05 =[laugh] but sometimes they just need a little bit of extra kind of looking after because they have some requirements you know around software or 21:12 yeah 21:12 tech or whatever and and you're you're definitely the person for that as well 21:16 brilliant 21:17 great okay was there anything else from from any of the others any of the other teams [pause] are we all okay on everything for now um what i might do now coming kind of closer is=uh schedule these meetings for every couple of weeks um just to make sure that we're on top of everything um and then coming close to the time again we might um [pause] organize we'll we'll see if we need to to organize something on campus the the venue for for just to confirm because there was i couldn't remember actually i had to go back and check breath in] so the conference will be taking place on the c1 corridor in the main building [pause] because there was i i had forgotten whether we were going to the [anon_inst228] or not so no we're on the c1 corridor we have all of those rooms along there and then we have the plenary room is the one behind the canteen [pause] the what's it called not the [anon_inst101] is it yeah the [anon_inst101] isn't it [cough] yeah so it's the one that's in behind the canteen which has been recently refurbished it's it's quite nice but the hall= the the stage is a little bit dark it's the one that has the stage on it they used to run concerts [pause] and comedy shows and things there years ago [breath in] um so we have managed to get our hands on some nice kind of pop up fly posters and [anon_$020] if you have anything from [anon_inst102] as well feel free to bring it over so we'll be putting those on the stage just to brighten it up a little bit that will just be used for the plenary sessions probably um but we'll see how the scheduling goes and the center room on the um c1 corridor is going to be used as a kind of a a coffee book display area [pause] so they may serve the coffee on the corridor they usually do but sometimes they go into that room i suspect they'll stay on the corridor and people can take their coffee and and also that would be a good poster space so um it's you know it's probably the biggest of those rooms isn't it the one with the double doors in the center so that would be good for the poster display and it can be locked in the evening which is nice as well we can leave everything there um we do have books coming from um [anon_inst98] we may or may not have books from other publishers uh unlikely to be honest i mean they're certainly not going to be sending people i think the day of publishers sending people to conferences has probably passed um and we're not accepting any kind of you know paper or um pens or any of those kinds of things for environmental reasons we're we're keeping it fairly [pause] um streamlined um they usually they they um they tend to let us keep the books that they send for display so we'll have to confirm that with them as well [anon_$020] did you want to come in on that 21:25 um just a quick one maybe just [anon_$047] to keep it on your your checklist as well for the workshops um i know [laugh] the one we're involved in um we're requesting a room where you know people are going to have laptops so those c corridor rooms they're not ideal with the flip over tables so that was something we discussed [anon_$019] i can't remember we were talking about a room for that just keep that on your on your radar [anon_$047] 23:49 okay 24:00 um [pause] we'll get updates on that 24:16 okay 24:16 yeah it might be easier for the workshops to use the [anon_inst103] or the um what's the other one at the end [pause] uh 24:26 oh um there's the [anon_inst101a] one at either end i know yeah 24:30 there's two at the end there's one around the corner the [anon_inst103] 24:32 yeah 24:33 is the that's the the submarine man i know that one that's the one with the windows 24:37 [laugh] 24:37 what's the other one that doesn't have any windows 24:40 ![unclear]/! 24:40 yeah the one next to the writing center 24:42 yeah that's the one 24:43 i i can't remember what it's called 24:44 [anon_inst104] 24:45 yes yes 24:46 [anon_inst104] yes 24:48 [anon_inst104] how could anyone forget good old [anon_nn2] [laugh] thanks [anon_$024] [laugh] um so yeah we have those two and they have fixed benches so it really depends on their preference [anon_$047] and that might be something that you could have a chat about because we have all the rooms booked anyway 25:02 okay 25:02 so would they prefer a room with fixed benches where people can't really move around easily into groups 25:07 yeah 25:07 mm or would they prefer a room that has chairs with the flip down um [pause] writing desks on them the smaller ones um and and you know what do people need to [pause] need to bring with them do= do they need to bring devices or do they+ 25:20 yeah 25:21 +need to um i'll send you before you do that i'll send you all the abstracts and everything so that you know what might actually state it in some of them+ 25:28 perfect okay 25:29 what they need but you you could even do the initial kind of these are the kinds of options on rooms and things like that 25:35 yeah 25:35 mm 25:36 that's the entire corridor is available and like 25:40 mm 25:40 yeah 25:40 from from lecture theater to lecture theatre basically 25:42 yeah exactly 25:43 perfect 25:44 right 25:45 ![unclear]/! and [anon_$019] and [anon_$047] that might trigger another one to watch is [pause] uh making sure that there's access to whatever console in terms of logging in and being able you know everything's on 25:57 yeah the the guest login um i'll double check that we have access to that for [pause] for all the conveners okay perfect 26:06 yeah and and [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62a] have the have the login details for that they they usually give it as part of the kind of registration information things like that but it's no harm to have a few posters around the place stuck up on the walls and things like that saying these are the login details that you need yeah super [pause] okay that's great is there anything else from anybody that we've forgotten or [pause] no okay so look what i might do actually after this meeting as well is um schedule the next few meetings leading up right up to the conference so that you have them all in your calendar at this stage um and and we know what's happening um [pause] and then it'll probably be a good idea for anybody who's local enough to come on campus you know the day before or just check out things and make sure the layout is okay and you know check that we have the kind of the signs for this three minutes five minutes whatever we do stop um if we need those you know no lamination for environmental reasons [laugh] [anon_$025] [laugh] 27:06 yeah just just for the documentation team um you mentioned that the conference organizers were organizing certificates and things like that but is there anything that we need to think about because we'll be i'm hoping that we'll be meeting soon just to see what our role is in terms of documentation 27:24 yeah maybe you could just do up those those posters those little kinds of 27:27 okay 27:27 stops whatever five minute three minute or five minute two minute and stop 27:31 okay 27:32 um just little you know different colored paper or something like that [anon_$025] 27:36 okay 27:36 um i would imagine how many parallel sessions are we anticipating [anon_$021] three or four kind of hard to say maybe do do four [anon_$025] anyway just to be sure um four yeah maybe maybe do five one for the plenary room as well and these things can go missing sometimes as well [laugh] 27:53 yeah 27:53 so it's no harm to have another a couple of extra [pause] um but yeah the the documentation in terms of visas in terms of certificates all of that the conference partners will look after that because they can pull the information from the um back end of [anon_inst105] and then what they're planning to do is just issue it to everybody we did confirm that at the last meeting because it's pdf anyway so they'll just issue these to everybody um and then if anybody has any special requests about specific types of information they want to have [pause] on those certificates they can get back in touch and they can be customized if needs be [pause] well that's one ![unclear]/! yes [anon_$020] 28:32 sorry this is just um just something came in there um [pause] um somebody looking to book um or to check if accommodation was available they said that the link didn't seem to be open so maybe just when you're doing your follow up list to [anon_fn61] and co um because people once we put out the the conference [pause] web= um workshops um it may trigger you know a number of registrations and just to to double check you know do they need to increase the allocation or that there seems some= someone has reported that they couldn't check the accommodation 29:10 okay [pause] yeah i can certainly mention that i haven't heard that it was closed off or anything did you hear anything [anon_$021] on on that no so yeah it might just be the link has dropped or something has happened or 29:23 i'll check it now once we've finished the call and um 29:26 yeah 29:26 ![unclear]/! and before you get in touch with the group um we're also going to send out a reminder to people via [anon_inst105] telling them to register for the conference via the portal for the people who are here though if you're on [anon_$019]'s list you don't need to do that it's just for you will get the message automatically with everyone else but you don't need to do that because you'll be on [anon_$019]'s list 29:52 yeah and and i suppose we'll wait to send that [anon_$021] until after the workshop information is up 29:57 yeah 29:58 yeah so that we don't have 100 emails coming back saying oh can't find the workshop information yeah okay great i'm not sure when that other conference was finishing that they're working on um this week i did see signs on campus yesterday i'm sure [anon_$029] and[anon_$028] and oth= [anon_$047] who were on campus yesterday probably saw the same but as soon as that's done i'd say they'll they'll turn their heads again to this one okay [pause] brilliant anything else from anybody [pause] are we all happy with that great okay well listen as ever thank you very much for for all the work in the background and uh we'll be in touch soon and we'll see you again in in a couple of weeks hopefully [pause]all right thanks guys thanks take care bye everyone see ya bye bye bye bye [multiple speakers] transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 ![unclear]/! know that we're recording [pause] good [pause] um [pause] so i think this this meeting is really going to be just about uh providing everybody with some updates um and if anybody is unsure about anything that's happening um you can certainly feel free to to ask questions here there's been a lot as i said uh going on in the background with the various groups and and different things so um that's good i think we're we're we're doing fairly well the week before the conference can't believe it's on top of us already um [pause] so the situation at the moment is we have been working uh in the background you'll have seen that the provisional [pause] schedule was um [pause] posted this day last week [pause] uh there have been a lot of changes to ![unclear]/! somebody's needing to be admitted there have been a lot of changes in the meantime to the schedule for various reasons new registrations um some things to do with the system and and then people of course requesting changes uh it's funny how you know a lot of people email in in advance of the program being published to tell you that they can't they're not available on certain days or at certain times and that makes it quite easy because you can just prioritize those in the schedule but other people wait until it's published and then they come back and say by the way sorry i can't do the saturday when you've scheduled me it's always easier if they tell you in advance but equally you don't want to kind of solicit that and have a free for all so it's managing that so um [pause] to be fair uh we i think have got all of the changes up to date and implemented in the version of the program that's in the dropbox folder which all of you have access to um it hasn't been posted the updated version hasn't been posted to the web yet um but we are planning to send out an email this afternoon to anybody who's registered with the updated program and there's a meeting with the conference partners tomorrow so by tomorrow at the latest that version should be on the on the website as well um the app for the conference is being um [pause] i don't know what what do you call it constructed it's being developed not being developed it's it's being populated i guess at the moment in the background by the conference partners um and they obviously don't want to finalize that until the program is relatively stable because any change a you know a fairly big knock on effect so while we're not publishing a book of abstracts in kind of paper version or anything like that there will be an app and the book of abstracts as far as i know will be available through the app as well but each of the papers on the schedule in the app will be clickable and and it will be linked to to the abstract so the idea has always been that we will go as paperless as we can for this um it worked quite well for the for the cl conference last year once that [anon_inst105] stuff was set up in the background but um [anon_fn61] has made a commitment that the app will be ready by tomorrow close of business tomorrow so we should have some more stuff to be to be tweeting um as well at that stage [anon_$022] so we are planning to kind of finalize as much as we can of the program by the end of today and that's the version that we will be emailing to everybody later this afternoon or this evening i think [anon_$025]'s going to do that and [anon_$021] will be working on it [anon_$026] is working hard in the background populating the program with um chairpersons at this stage for each of the sessions um and we've we've tidied up on a few bits and pieces that that we need to include um so there will be a bit of tweeting to be done [anon_$022] later today or tomorrow once that's all been kind of finalized um [pause] so that's that's where we're at the the the um social program has been more or less it's really the conference dinner and the reception which we've decided to have on the thursday evening [pause] um because more people will be available at that stage um the workshops have all been advertised and registrations have happened for the workshops we have roughly around about 25 participants on average for the workshops which is good i think um we did open it up to to some of our own students as well just in the last day or two when we knew that there might be opportunities for them to pop into the workshops they're freely available anyway so we figured why not if there were students on campus so we opened them up to the [anon_inst72a] and and [anon_inst102] um students as well um am i missing anything in terms of updates or does anybody from any of the other groups want to come in and add anything or does anybody from the wider group have any questions that you want to ask at this stage or comments you want to make [pause] please feel free because i'm kind of doing this off the top of my head now at this stage [pause] 4:46 [anon_$019] ![unclear]/! 4:46 i just= 4:48 yeah [anon_$022] do you want to go and then [anon_$020]= 4:49 =um just a quick one i'm just wondering about the social media and kind of feeding in with the app is there any [pause] anything around the app that will be somewhat connected with social media in any way or anything that we need to know about that [breath in] 5:03 um i don't know but [anon_$020] you might raise that question at the meeting tomorrow with with [anon_fn61]= 5:08 yes 5:08 and [anon_fn62a] 5:09 yeah yeah yeah i'll look at the [pause] thinking of um [pause] social media and app um i think once the app is ready as well we had said that you know it's something to to put out on a tweet um [noise] and um you can link to maybe where we've covered a tweet once we have the final program [pause] uh linking it to the setting up a link to the dropbox so at least if there are if there are changes that they'll find the most up to date so maybe the tweet could say that the up to date um program [pause] will be found um at this link um [pause] yeah that's that's all i had on that list [anon_$019] from earlier meeting 5:58 mm um numbers are healthy that's that's one good thing to report what what are the= the registration numbers as of yesterday were quite good um 6:08 were they around 120 [anon_$019] was it or am i imagining that 6:10 i thought 130 did we i'm not sure now i'm just 6:13 yeah yeah yeah yeah 6:15 um 6:15 it's very good yeah yeah [pause] 6:18 so um [pause] just do a total at the bottom because if it doesn't uh yeah 122 actually you're right [anon_$020] yeah+ 6:26 =mm good= 6:26 +122 um full registrations and then i'm not sure if there are a couple of additionals there there'll probably just be local additionals for some of the workshops as well so um i mean the most important thing is that we're in a breakeven position which i think we are at this stage 6:41 mm 6:41 yeah which is good some of those are kind of reduced registrations and things as well but i do think we're overall we'll probably just be we'll just be okay 6:50 mm good 6:50 yeah 6:51 good 6:52 so that's good [pause] um yeah so i'm not sure am i missing anything [anon_$020] i feel like i have so much information in my head about it at this stage 6:59 [laugh] 6:59 ![unclear]/! all out 7:00 we've just come out of a a meeting yeah so we're+ 7:03 +![unclear]/! detailed 7:03 ![unclear]/! yeah um just scan through here um so yeah i suppose you're at that point where [pause] um you know before the event there're all the minor details and [pause] it's it's one= once once it's up and running everything will be fine but you know finalizing a schedule is always tight isn't it because you know right up on to [pause] all all the way through the conference there'll be probably people [pause] pulling out or who knows so that's one thing we're we're gonna sort out tomorrow as well a sort of a protocol for it if someone cancels as they will right down to the wire um what do we do and um [anon_$026]'s covering the chairing which again is is a complicated business because you're gonna have people last minute not being able to do it but [anon_$026] has that covered in terms of having a kind of a a subs bench um so um [anon_$026]'s got that covered so yeah um i think we're we're in a good place of course i swanned off nicely for two weeks while you guys did all the programming+ 8:04 =![which we'll]/! never forgive you for [anon_$020] [laugh] as i swan off this evening for four days [laugh] 8:11 can i just put in there just on the chairing just to say thanks to [anon_$028] because he cross checked the the provisional um schedule so [anon_$028] i might be back to you this afternoon because we're going we're going live [laugh] i think shortly+ 8:24 =no bother= 8:24 +so i might get you to to check it before um+ 8:28 mm mm 8:28 +before we we we finalize it and there may be changes after that but um yeah i might be after some people as well just to to set up a whatsapp group just for the subs bench so i might need phone numbers and things but i'll be+ 8:42 mm mm 8:42 +in touch during the week about that anyway 8:45 yeah and it tends to work more easily in a face to face conference where people are kind of hovering anyway and and very often if even if things go really badly wrong and there isn't anybody in the room to chair it somebody will step up and and do it yeah [anon_$028] and [anon_$027] and myself should be kind of floating anyway any there 9:03 =mm mm= 9:03 +are only four sessions so+ 9:05 =yeah= 9:05 +we'll have somebody else+ 9:07 =yeah= 9:07 +on stand by as well so it should be fine 9:09 and [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62a] have a good eye on it+ 9:12 =yeah= 9:12 +let us know if there's a need for anything um we are we're not we're not publishing we're obviously not printing programmes or abstracts or anything like that the only thing we are doing is we are going to have name tags [pause] um which um the conference partners were were you know they really want to have those because it's a way of identifying people for catering purposes and for you know just security purposes as well at the conference so we did kind of push back slightly on it but then that was the one that and they said that they recycled they're all recycled and they're made from recycled and they're as environmentally friendly 9:44 mm mm 9:44 as they possibly can be so um i think+ 9:47 =mm mm= 9:47 +fair enough we have to you have to allow that to happen name tags are important [pause] at a conference 9:54 um one thing um [anon_$047] um uh workshops um [pause] we were wondering if if about the the one workshop where they wanted to record do you know if that that+ 10:09 yeah 10:09 +followed through 10:10 i sent on all the details to [anon_fn101] a good few weeks ago and he got back to say he'd consult with the rest of his team but then i saw since another team member has got in touch inquiring but [anon_fn101] was on annual leave so i think there might have been some some crossed wires there i'm going to follow up today just to see if 10:27 =mm mm= 10:27 they've made a decision about that um because then she+ 10:30 mm mm 10:30 +suggested photography as well which hadn't previously been mentioned 10:34 okay right 10:35 so um i i got the impression they were she was referring to just you know photos for their own [pause] use but obviously we have a policy in place uh for photography at the event so i'm going to i'll i'll follow up with [anon_fn101] directly because he's the 10:50 ![unclear]/! 10:50 =yeah yeah= 10:52 ![unclear]/! 10:52 i mean the thing is to try and just just get them to make their own arrangements directly with this company we don't really+ 10:58 +exactly yeah= 10:58 + want to be involved in any of this um now i know that they are the workshop conveners are waiting for a list of attendees with email addresses and we've asked um we can't get that you see there's a difficulty we don't have access to all of the information on the system so we have asked for [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62] to send that through as soon as possible if it's not done by tomorrow [anon_$020] is going to raise it at the meeting as well so i think once the workshop conveners have that list and can contact people themselves as well they'll begin+ 11:24 mm 11:24 +to relax a little bit more and be able to communicate directly 11:28 yeah that's kind of their number one question is um you know who's coming how many people are coming and then that's that's their ![unclear]/! as we know that will be 11:35 mm mm 11:35 +hopefully in the next couple of days 11:37 yeah we do have some attendees [anon_$047] i don't know if i sent you that 11:40 i just got that yep 11:42 um but we don't have email addresses on that that's the bit we're missing 11:46 yeah so i think for i think they'll they'll be okay for a couple of days until they can i know they want to maybe generate some questionnaires and things like that um but i've sent like a holding email 11:56 yes 11:56 to say thatl they'll have that information shortly so 12:00 well hopefully after the meeting tomorrow actually if you were free tomorrow [anon_$047] there's no reason why you you couldn't go to the meeting as well directly um [anon_$020] would you mind sending the link to [anon_$047] as well 12:10 i'll do that straight away 12:11 yeah 12:11 yep brilliant 12:12 cos i yeah do you know what rather than having more communication after a meeting i think ![unclear]/! at that stage 12:19 12 o'clock tomorrow 12:21 perfect 12:22 yeah um so i don't think there's anything else on this [anon_025] did you want to come in [pause] 12:28 yeah just a just two things um so [anon_$047] we communicated together i meant to reply to you sorry you sent me a message this morning but just you know when you're communicating with the workshop conveners could you uh copy academic maybe you did just in case i haven't seen it 12:43 academic talc 12:43 just to make sure that i um keep an eye on it as well because they will they'll have communicated with me as well so i'll make sure i don't contradict anyone and uh the other thing is for uh registration uh next week so who does what at the tables and for documentation do we need to do anything i'm just not sure if 13:03 ![unclear]/!any of that that's [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62a] and their crew they look after all of that they look after registration the name tags the any letters that are needed any of that kind of thing is is any of the kind of administrative on the spot stuff is is down to them which is a a big relief on on the day 13:19 super perfect so just the last thing as we said in the previous meeting just now for um everybody who is going around to the conference if anybody goes to you and says oh i have to go home i have to cancel my paper or just to make sure you notify me because i'll be printing each um session in paper format just to put it on the doors now [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62] may be doing that so we'll check that tomorrow but just in case they don't you know obviously tell them and tell me as well just so that we all know for the person who puts the timing on the door so that it's accurate every day [pause] that's it yeah for documentation then yeah 14:00 great [pause] actually ![unclear]/! for setting it up might be useful to to feed that information through as well [pause] yeah [pause] 14:11 great 14:11 actually when yeah when when you're setting up whatsapp group [anon_$026] for the chai=if we just set up a general if we set up one whatsapp group for the local organizing committee for anybody who's going to be there so maybe if you email everybody after this meeting asking for mobile numbers for whoever is going to be present or yeah or if you want to pop it in here absolutely um then we can communicate whatever we need to just instead of having different groups for different things because hopefully there won't be that much um going on [pause] 14:41 i have a quick question for [anon_$047] actualluyjust in relation to equipment for workshops are there many= 14:48 no um no 14:50 specific 14:50 requests except [anon_fn101][anon_sn100] asked for extension leads but i don't think that's actually necessary he was just concerned that people's [pause] laptops will die throughout the day but um [pause] i i he asked if we could provide a number of extension leads but given the room that it's being held in [pause] it has sufficient um outlets so i i don't think that'll be necessary um but i can throw some in the boot of my car 15:16 mm 15:16 just in case [laugh] in all eventualities but yeah that's it and they have software that they want people to um download in advance but they're going to communicate that directly once 15:26 mm 15:26 they get the the ![unclear]/! the participants 15:28 yeah and yeah that's why i think it's essential that the list you get that list um because um yeah the same for our workshop group you know you want to give them an advance on the kind of software downloaded [breath in] [pause] 15:44 yep [pause] okay so i think that's that's kind of all the bases covered does anybody from from the wider group have any questions or anything else you want to add at this point [anon_$022] 15:58 yeah sorry one question [anon_$019] there was just one direct message on twitter about uh somebody who wanted to volunteer um 16:07 [laugh] what 16:08 i didn't know this this is my question as well she just i think she wants to just get involved somehow um she said yeah she if we're looking for anybody to volunteer as anything she's um a structured phd student in ul one of the [anon_inst171a] so 16:22 she might get involved in the chairing i know [anon_$027] [anon_sn33] was going to email the [anon_inst171] um [pause] as regards kind of the the subs bench for the chairing so 16:35 okay yeah maybe i'll get in touch with [anon_$027] 16:37 yeah she might do that 16:39 ![unclear]/! 16:39 [anon_$027]'s away at the moment she'll be back on friday 16:42 yeah yeah i think [anon_$027] is probably a little bit out of touch on on the list now that she's she doesn't have that list now [anon_$026] that i have of the ones who have registered for the conference the whole 16:52 okay 16:52 there's no point in confusing things by sending an email to the entire group because that group in particlular it will confuse everything and you'll get students 16:59 okay 16:59 turning up to do things that they don't know what they're doing and 17:02 mm 17:02 i would suggest 17:03 ![unclear]/! [laughs] 17:03 i agree 17:04 i would suggest not sending an email to to the group at this point i think i have the list of the ones who have registered and unless we really need to use them for the purposes of chairing some of them have experience in in conferences and chairing and all the rest and others don't so [pause] um that's all i'll say if if if we really need them we'll use them but if not i think maybe let's make with with who we have grand 17:29 i don't think there'll be a massive need for such a big 17:32 i don't think there will either 17:32 subs bench anyway 17:34 mm probably not no 17:35 yeah 17:35 i think you can simply reply to her [anon_$022] saying thanks very much we'll be in touch if we do need anything 17:39 yeah yeah 17:41 [anon_$047] 17:42 yeah this is i know we raised or this was raised at the last meeting but i just want to confirm um on the day of the workshops there's no provided catering 17:50 no 17:51 but there will be places like the [anon_inst172] and [anon_inst173] and things will be open for the attendees perfect 17:56 yeah [anon_inst174] i think is probably the easiest 17:58 [anon_inst174] yeah 17:59 easier to pop down stairs and the [anon_inst172] shop is there um [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62] will be able to tell you tomorrow what else 18:04 great 18:04 is open on campus at the moment because i lose track at the moment with all the restaurants and opening times over the summer but our catering is happening in the main restaurant as far as i know so i presume that is open in a general sense as well um 18:17 perfect 18:17 but i think the the easiest is down the stairs and out the door to [anon_inst174] to be honest 18:21 yeah 18:22 yeah 18:22 great [anon_$028] 18:25 i guess it's a quick one um because we're putting together the kind of guidelines for the chairs so just to make sure everything is kind of aligned with what's actually happening um so the presenters when they come in we don't have their presentations in advance that's all happening just before each session is that right that they're going to upload their their presentation with the help of the chair 18:43 um i'm not sure that's another question for [anon_fn61] and [anon_fn62a] tomorrow um actually because [pause] traditionally and this is going back how many years now since we've had a face to face conference traditionally they do ask the speakers to upload their sessions in advance of 18:58 yeah 18:58 the of the session at least on the morning and that there's a tech person available you know between a certain time and a certain time i suspect they're planning to send out a general email to everybody with all this kind of information very soon but it might be just worth checking because it will be a bit chaotic if everybody's trying to open their presentations on the day i think 19:17 yeah 19:17 they do need to be pre loaded you know at least on the morning um or even you know one for the morning group and one for the afternoon or if they i don't know if they want them emailed in advance or whatever yeah we need to check that [anon_$028] that's a good point 19:31 and then the second thing is just a small thing um and i think [anon_$025] maybe you're you're doing the the signs for the chairs um so what we've put on the guidelines is uh i think five two and stop is that okay 19:41 ![unclear]/ actually changed that now to 19:43 oh okay 19:43 five one and stop following our our meeting earlier [laugh] 19:46 all right no problem 19:47 [laugh] 19:47 i can i can put the two if you want so that's not an issue so what do we do so five one stop 19:54 yeah i think that's fine 19:56 five one stop 19:57 one is more urgent [laugh] 19:58 yeah 19:59 [laugh] alright thanks 20:02 great [laugh] [pause] okay [pause] is there anything else a big big thanks to [anon_$025] as well for replying to all the emails there's been so much coming in over the last couple of weeks and and you've really been on top of it so thanks a million for that [anon_$025] as well as everybody else in the background but [pause] we're getting there i think we're nearly there [pause] so i think that's about it for now so um there'll be more kind of updates coming and different things happening over email and and whatever else and if not i don't think [pause] is is there a need for us as a group to have an online meeting next week [pause] or not i'll be guided on that one [pause] with the larger group [pause] [anon_$020] what do you think 20:48 i think [pause] i think not um i mean i think if something comes up just maybe email what do you think 20:56 that would be my sense of it to be honest i'm i'm going to start trying to transition from the kind of online organizing space to the physical organizing space um tuesday and wednesday of next week i'm going to be yeah i'll be in for the workshops on wednesday but i may even pop in on tuesday as well just to 21:11 mm 21:11 cast my eye over things and make sure the stands are where they should be and things like that [pause] yeah okay let's do that okay 21:17 great 21:18 okay all right lovely to see you all and uh hopefully see many of you in person next week and we'll be in touch over over email over the coming days 21:26 yeah absoultely 21:26 great many speakers 21:28 thanks a million thanks to everybody bye bye bye transcribed by https://otterai speaker 1 0:00 [background music with countdown on screen] hello how's everyone doing [pause] welcome to our financial wellbeing webinar the solo webinar today so could you do me a big favour let me know if you're tuning in let me know you can hear me and you can see me okay and sure while you're at it uh let me know what the weather is like and where you're tuning in from it's a a beautiful sunny day here in [anon_pl44] i'm in [anon_pl165] right beside the [anon_pl125] sun is beaming in i'll definitely be getting outside [pause] uh a little after this webinar for a stroll it's uh it's really nice outside so yeah let me know you can hear me let me know you can see me and um yeah let me know what the weather is like as well uh wherever you're watching [pause] so we're going out live on linkedin on [anon_inst100] on twitter and on facebook as well so no matter what platform you're using i'll be able to see the comments fantastic i'm seeing [anon_fn1] [anon_pl166] sunny [anon_pl166] lots of lunch options around their [anon_fn1] so i'm sure you'll have no trouble now getting yourself uh a healthy lunch after this session great [lip smack] so i think people can hear me okay um so yeah so we're on the four platforms so no matter what platform you're on uh you can comment in the comment section there and i'll i should be able to see it uh so let me know and um [lip smack] yeah great great stuff guys cloudy in [anon_pl78] they we= we're sending the sun down to you [anon_fn2] it's on its way [pause] uh sunny in [anon_pl167] fantastic thanks [anon_fn3] uh [anon_pl168] ah sure you're only down the road [anon_fn4] [anon_fn4] is only [anon_fn4] is literally across the road from the [anon_pl125] there so that's uh you can just pop in there at lunchtime [anon_fn4] fantastic um yeah and [anon_fn5] gonna be taking the dog for a walk in [anon_pl169] soon okay perfect okay great so i think we're good for sound and uh and video so thanks for confirming that guys [breath in] so listen i'll ju= i'll do a quick formal introduction here and then we'll get cracking with our session so [lip smack] if it's your first time and if you're returning well hello and welcome this is the latest in our workwell live webinar series so the goal of our workwell webinars is to promote and share ideas and advice that can support in improving your own wellbeing and the wellbeing of our colleagues and our wider work environment so the live webinars are just one part of the workwell community we also have the workwell podcasts we have blogs we've a private forum and we have an online education hub called the workwell institute now all of our workwell resources are curated through our free weekly workwell newsletter if you go to [anon_wws1] you can sign up to the mailing list for free now on to the uh our subject for today uh what i'm seeing if a [anon_pl190] [anon_pl170] come on the town good man [anon_fn6] uh [laugh] uh [anon_pl77] it's a bit overcast we're sending sun your way as well [anon_fn7] okay and where else [anon_pl171] sun threatening there in [anon_pl171] so it's on its way down there fantastic thanks everyone okay so today we're going to talk about financial well being so look there's lots of uh negative news out there isn't there um we've had the pandemic for the last couple of years we have what's going on in [anon_pl21] is impacting you know prices everywhere inflation is on the rise you know i'm guessing there's nothing you guys can do a whole lot about in terms of let's say pay rises for your colleagues pay rises for yourselves and there's certainly nothing any of us can do really about the price of inflation but one thing we can do is just make ourselves aware inform ourselves of what kind of financial well being tools and resources are out there both for ourselves and then for our colleagues as well so that's the goal of today just to share with you as many tools and resources as possible you know some are free quite a few are free and then some are paid as well so there's a lot we we can kind of takes take control control the controllables is kind of a famous saying isn't it so let's control what we can control that's the that's the goal of our session today so i'm going to share uh some slides again let me know at any stage if you can't see these the way this platform works by the way [screen share start] i think i have to um i'm effectively in a different uh [pause] screen here so i can't see your comments coming in at the moment but keep them coming in and i'll pop back in and i'll have a look in just a moment to see if there's any uh any comments coming through okay [screen change] so our focus is on financial well being some statistics here to kick us off with now have gone to the us for the statistics but you can be you can rest assured they're fairly similar on this on this side of the pond uh this was pre pandemic so adults a large share of adults felt financially anxious and stressed this is even before the onset of the pandemic never mind uh we know what's going on with [anon_pl21] and all the inflation that that's happening at the moment 60% feel anxious when just thinking about their personal finances and 50% report feeling stressed when discussing their personal finances so if you think about it um you know if your finances aren't right your your head isn't right and if your head isn't right chances are that's impacting on your relationships or your social well being uh maybe you're less likely in in those kinds of circumstances then to look after your physical health you're less motivated to exercise or to eat well so it's you know it's circular the physical social mental financial well being it's all connected so that's why it's so important [lip smack] [screen change] let's start at the beginning here i think a really excellent tool and kind of resource uh group is uh [anon_inst1] let me know in the comments if you come across [anon_inst1] [anon_wws2] is their website at the [anon_inst206] and budgeting service so they're celebrating 30 years uh eh supporting communities this year [breath in] so where do you start with [anon_inst1] theyre just a fantastic uh resource if you go to their website for starters you'll get uh there's an excellent financial checklist there you can go through that's free there's uh a budgeting tool um there's debt advice in there as well so as [anon_inst1] say themselves they are free they're confidential and theyre independent then as well so you can call them up if you're comfortable doing so you can arrange you can pop into them they have uh locations you can do a face to face or if you're not comfortable with any of those options there's actually a whatsapp number as well so you can whatsapp so lots of excellent services there uh from [anon_inst1] from your own kind of money budgeting tools uh all the way to kind of debt management support and advice so really great service there at [anon_nst1] and they're in different kinds of locations nationwide there there as well so maybe find your own local [anon_inst1] and and reach out if if you need to [lip smack] [anon_inst1 also they partner quite a bit with uh the [anon_inst2] so the [anon_inst2] and you'll find them at [anon_wws3] uh you know a bit similar to [anon_inst1] if you go to the website you'll find really excellent tools there such as the there's money calculators there's a great page of money calculators and comparisons as well uh from budgeting to uh mortgages it's all up there there's also uh the pensions authority can help with they have kind of similar calculators here's a really excellent resource though that the [anon_inst2] provide its uh they they provide a free seminar for workplaces so they'll come into your workplace now it's obviously it's been online for the last couple of years but they'll go in they do this thing called um [anon_pr87] it's a one hour session and they go into quite a few details they'll take questions but it's a [anon_pr87] seminar if you'd like totally free and that is a six week kind of lead time on this so you might want to just uh be aware of that this was [laugh] again in the last few weeks so it might have um got a bit [screen change] busier of late i'm just gonna pop back in to see if there's any comments coming through and there's there's [anon_fn5] from just popping in hi [anon_fn5] how are you doing [anon_fn5] is in [anon_pl72] for [anon_73] non judgmental which is something we feel is very important and are proud of yeah absolutely so [anon_inst1] thats [anon_wws2] i uh thoroughly thoroughly recommend checking out uh what what [anon_inst1] are doing there [pause] now back to my slides hopefully you can see these again [pause] but a [anon_inst2] that's [anon_pr87] is the name of that program so i definitely recommend reaching out to the [anon_inst2] for that [screen change] [breath in] [pause] here's another um you know group i know that might have a little bit of bad reputation but the [anon_inst207] if you've ever had to contact contact them for anything they're incredibly supportive and they really want to help you know individuals uh pay their taxes as fairly as possible so if you're an individual you can reach out and contact them i guarantee you'll you'll peak to speak to somebody kind and and considerate on the phone [breath in] um as well as this they they'll also they can send a couple of people into your workplace to give it again it might be a lunchtime session on you know how best to pay or to manage your taxes so that's another free service again there might be just a little bit of a lead time on that but that's another uh free service that you can avail of and your'e you're you're informing your colleagues you're informing yourself and it's something you can uh reach out to revenue directly uh for [pause] [screen change] the banks will all have you know really good services in this area and the this is particularly important let's say you might have kind of already have some relationships with one of the one of the main banks so i know all the guys here will have their financial well being advisors uh certainly pre pandemic they as well they used they'd go into your company and they'd provide again a bit of a lunchtime style of a session where they'd go through budgeting advice tips uh maybe they go into detail detail on some of the mortgage offerings and they of course they're gonna mention their own products and services you know to be aware of that uh but i think that goes without saying but they give a lot of good free value then as well in some of these sessions that they provide so lads this is a good example now if you have an existing relationship with one of these banks probably makes sense to reach out to one of your contacts there [pause] [screen change] i'll always say this though you know if you can support local there's lots of brilliant organizations out there you know small enterprises out there and maybe even some self employed people out there that are doing great work here's just one example [anon_inst3] they're based in [anon_pl172] i think we might have [anon_fn8] on the line here [anon_fn8] and his business partner [anon_fn6] running [anon_inst3] uh here's just an idea of some of the seminars you can avail of through [anon_inst3] um you know really kind of detailed uh planning and advice there another example the du more [anon_pl44] based um this is [anon_fn4] um who's [anon_wws4] is the website so check that out similar very similar offering to the guys at [anon_inst75] and you know what i love what i love about these is let's say you get them in for your your one hour seminar say and you're kind of really like you know what's going on um they also offered a one to one session so i think this is where you can really kind of stand out now and really do something or add something of real value to your colleagues and and this is when you will obviously these are paid services i'll uh give you an example of an organization that i worked with quite a few years ago that just had re such a positive story uh in in this area and they're in the logistics business it was soon after the financial crash you know pretty pretty large organization and um you know there was just pay rises were just not on the table so a lot of people struggling financially they did have some budget you know for kind of a well being budget if you like they decide they were listening to their people it was clear that financial strain was kind of top of the priority list at the time so they they reached out to a local uh kind of money uh money advisor financial advisor who came in gave gave initial an initial kind of session but they really liked the offering uh they they asked i think it was something like 50 of their colleagues they asked 50 of their colleagues look if you're struggling financially you know put your hand up and we're gonna support you with some one to one um financial advice so they did that was they invested in this they brought in the financial advisor and you no word of a lie it was it was life changing for for those 50 people that availed of it [lip smack] who had been struggling financially they worked with a financial advisor to [pause] kind of get their finances back on track maybe it was managing debt maybe it was managing repayments uh budgeting for the year ahead uh monthly repayments that kind of thing and as well that um was kind of tax advice as well and and working on a tax rebate and i think it was really in [pause] staggering numbers i think it was i'm probably being modest here conservative was at least 500 euro per person in tax returns on average across the 50 people as well so a lot of a lot of uh real value there thanks to the one to ones what i will say as well just on an organizational level if that's something you're considering uh just to be aware you know if you do that one year you're you're setting the expectation then that's probably going to be something you're going to be doing year on year so just something to bear in mind if you're doing it but i can i can definitely vouch for the you know the kind of the bang for your buck if you like or the the value that added for for the employees what when that happened [screen change] just gonna pop back in to see if there is any more comments because i can't see my comments coming in [pause] and just [anon_fn3] talking about [breath out] i think talking about [anon_fn8] [anon_fn8] and [anon_inst3] yeah that's [anon_wws4] thanks for that um [anon_fn3] and there is [anon_fn4] is on the call as well that's [anon_wws5] is uh [anon_fn4]'s site so definitely check that out they're just some of your smaller local businesses as i say always support local if you can [pause] okay now where was i go back to my slides [screen change] okay so we've got our we've had our [anon_inst1] our revenue we've talked about the banks what they have available uh the local and kind of really getting personal with this which i think is if if you can there's real added value there i think [screen change] a lot a lot of organizations on the call will already have an existing uh maybe an agreement uh with a health insurer the health insurers all kind of provide support in this area my friends at [anon_inst4] just came back to me with some of the details they provide that this is included in your package if you are a an [anon_inst4] client things like pensions or health insurance clients you will= can avail of these packages [anon_inst5] as well let's say if you if you're a client of [anon_inst5] uh if you're an employee and your your your um organization is is a client of [anon_inst5] you can avail of the eap program and through the eap then there is uh you know free i think people might think it's all eap is all am you know ah counseling advice but there's actually there's free legal advice there there's free financial advice there as well and that's for the employee and their immediate family as well that's what that's available for [lip smack] so just check to make sure see if you what your agreement is if you have an agreement with a health insurer because they do provide a lot of these as part of the package so maybe just double check that with your own health insurer [screen change] [breath in] with anything like this you know i think it's important to do your own research uh so there's great kind of sites out there and i'd actually welcome any any suggestions in the comments as well as to another kind of sites for research so here's just a couple i've uh pulled out so let's say it is health insurance you're looking at there's the [anon_inst6] is kind of the be all and end all and the independent body for for looking at your health insurance [pause] uh let's say you're talking about any of the other accounts you know your gas your energy uh your oil the uh your mobile even your mobile phone the guys at [anon_wws6] do a really good job i've used them once before and you can actually um you can even switch your account it's all kind of handled through the [anon_wws6] system now i know other other services and other providers are available but i mean [anon_wws6] is not a bad site to check out if you're considering you know comparing and you want to switch and i think i don't know about you but i've certainly been a person who's been reluctant to switch in the past i've just been keep the status quo kind of thing i think a lot of people are in that boat but with everything that's going on it's certainly something i'm more aware of now and the the fact that i at least should be uh keeping an eye on this and uh at least being aware of my options so [anon_wws6] definitely a good site to check out for that let me just see if there's anyone anything else coming in on the comments there will we get the slides you will indeed get the slides uh [anon_fn9] yeah i can i can i can share the slides yeah anyone who's registered i will share the slides so you'll have all these details yep so yeah happy if you let me know any more um any more comments or questions it's a short enough presentation today just want to get kind of keep it short and snappy get all the details out there so if you have any questions pop them in the comment section no matter what channel you're watching on whether it's linkedin youtube facebook or twitter um cause we do have some of the financial advisors on the call as well so they can we can actually answer some of these questions live and uh i think [anon_fn4] is actually just doing that as i speak thanks [anon_fn4] i've seen a [anon_wws7] is one of the other options i didn't i didn't know about this one so [anon_wws8] another two accredited [anon_inst7] sites so so no excuses really for anyone like me who's been uh sitting on the fence for for so long those sites are out there and as i mentioned the [anom_inst2] then as well have that those excellent money calculators that you can you can use as well so yeah drop some questions in there and uh we'll get to those [pause] [breath out] [screen change] now let's say [pause] you you've gone through you got the [anon_inst2] and maybe maybe you've got [anon_inst207] in as well i'd always you know get out get out to your audience get out to your community ask them what are they interested in what topics are they interested in you know depending on their age or the demographic the cohort that might be kind of different needs or interests at a particular time here's some that kinda come up time and time again that can be valuable if you're offering like you know a lunch and learn style session uh within the organization pensions always go down well and that can be of any a for any age uh you can get people like like [anon_fn8] like [anon_fn4] will go in and do this or some of your other if you already have a relationship with another provider it might be something they provide uh let's say again it could be at any age but maybe it's part of your uh some retirement planning uh program that you have will writing you have something on power of attorney i've heard good feedback on sessions with this and maybe you've got a relationship with a small you know a local legal firm i'd say they'd be more than happy to come in and give you a free session and they will they'll hand out the cards i'm sure as part of that um here's an interesting one that was suggested to me the you know the i think it's called the fair deals scheme i know of at least one organization who brought in had speaker on this and uh let's see if you're some of us are in whatever generation that might be but you're caring for slightly older parents just being aware of this and the financial implications of the fair deal scheme that could be an interesting topic and then of course it's always always fairly popular people think youre well depending on the stage of life of course but then you know the mortgage subject is always an interesting one then as well there's just a few ideas that i've that the community have shared with me that that might be of interest and [anon_fn10] was just going to share those sites as well so thanks [anon_fn10] thanks [anon_fn4] for sharing those and here's another suggestion from [anon_fn4] [anon_wws9] and it's from the [anon_inst208] yeah okay very good so specifically for ah switching bank accounts i might need to look at that one myself [laugh] and it redirects to the [anon_inst2] website for comparison's actions and i know some great resources there so guys i take note of some of these uh links um they won't be in the slides but um they're there on the text there so make sure you take note of those [breath in] [screen change]now let's say again maybe you've got a few quid uh you've got a few quid in your wellbeing budget or or hr budget or something you want to bring in a guest speaker because sometimes you know having an an interesting speaker can actually get people off their seats and get them interested in the topic you know might be someone like if if let's say it's he he's a brilliant speaker [anon_fn11] but if you're interested in in health insurance he can really kind of liven up the the discussion on health insurance he's he's independent he's a really good strong speaker he he features regularly on the [anon_inst6] uh so i'd recommend [anon_fn11] if you're bringing in if you want to bring in someone specifically on health insurance um you may have come across [anon_fn12] as she's on [anon_inst8] i i saw her speak at let's talk mental health in the workplace a couple of years ago you know really confident really positive speaker and obviously knows her stuff when it comes to financial well being um and then someone like [anon_fn13] you know doing a really good job on the [anon_inst41] program then as well so you probably need a few quid to get these guys in but it might it might generate some uh some extra interest in the you know in the wider population if you bring guys like this in as we're kind of saying [screen change] it's not a caution you know there is a financial regulator in [anon_pl82] so just maybe double check any of these services on any of these speakers you know just make sure you know they're kind of approved by the [anon_inst209] i mean if not i mean you know you never know you you kind of have to be careful you know what kind of advice you're getting uh from a financial perspective so just make sure they are theyre rubber stamped by the uh [anon_inst209] [screen change] financial regulator [lip smack] i think that's kind of all i wanted to share is there any any thoughts any questions coming in there that we maybe is there anything i haven't covered [pause] because that was a real whistlestop tour now of uh of what's going on out there that i just want to bring people up to speed maybe to the individual level and then at the at an organizational level as well of kind of some of the support and tools that are available out there [lip smack] any other thoughts any other comments did i miss anything there maybe let me know [pause] [tech noise] or maybe my my session was so thorough i've i've answered every single question that everybody had [pause] every single question answered thoroughly just in case if i have [breath in] check out um for more information just on workplace wellbeing in general you can always go to [anon_wws1] check us out there [pause] um if you missed anything at all if ah let's say you don't want to ask questions on the kind of the private or the public forum drop me a line is [anon_$039@anon_wws1] [lip smack] is my own email address oh youre very welcome thanks [anon_fn1] yeah happy to provide and [anon_fn10] has [pause] from the yeah the financial yeah so the foundation uh for financial well being is a plan yeah and there there's so many financial tools out there isn't there [anon_fn10] and star start with [anon_wws2] just the great the financial uh health check and then the budgeting tool there as well really excellent starting points uh what else have we got as well oh and [anon_fn4] is just saying and yeah i guess [anon_fn4] is just talking [anon_inst] is doing a free community education talks excellent yeah are these is that is that the partnership with the [anon_inst2] or is that a separate one maybe [anon_fn10] you might be able to answer that [pause] cheers [anon_fn2] [pause] so i'm going to hang on the line for a couple of minutes if anyone has any questions uh you are welcome to pop them in the text [pause] yeah and as [anon_fn4] is just saying it it gets staff engaged and interest and and get that message out there that look we can't we can't control what's going on externally in the world around us but we can control you know our own finances maybe we don't think we can but we actually can there's a lot we can do we can manage our own budgets uh there's lots of free tools out there lots of resources lots of interesting speakers we can bring in uh to just to support us give us a little bit of extra support and then there's these these fantastic resources and support tools out there that we can avail of okay [anon_fn10] just saying oh yes so [anon_inst1] [anon_inst1] do provide the community or community based education yeah yeah independent of anyone else fantastic yeah so lots going on with [anon_inst1] i'm sure uh [anon_fn10] will be happy to chat to anyone as well but actually [anon_fn19] is on one of the recent episodes of the podcast you should check it out uh when i'm sending out a a link to the resources to the slides i will include a link to the podcast with [anon_fn10] [anon_fn10] from [anon_inst1] so i'll include that link so you'll get all your i'll try i'll try and consolidate a list of the um the two sorry the the links that everyone mentioned here as well just the ones that i missed from the slides i'll try and include a link to that as well um thanks [anon_fn8] thanks for the lovely comments [pause] yeah yeah exactly i know what you mean [anon_fn8] and [anon_fn8] kind of saying there always try and get um okay fee based financial well being provider and maybe someone likes the likes of [anon_inst3] that are kind of in independent of the main players yeah yeah that is true like the guys the banks the health insurers they come in and do a good job but look let's not beat about the bush they'll be they'll be flogging their own kind of products and services as part of what they're doing as well no question um so yeah thanks for [laugh] bringing that up [anon_fn8] thanks [anon_fn14] [anon_fn10] thanks [anon_fn15] thanks everyone as i said uh any last minute questions let me know otherwise you've got the details [screen change] oh i nearly forgot there's the jacket there's the should have ironed the shirt but hopefully the uh the jacket um takes away from that so uh thanks to everyone there's the details if you want to get in touch any questions i'll send a summary email with some of the links that we mentioned with the slides so hopefully it'd be like a one stop shop for all your uh financial well being resources there'll be a link to the replay in the in the in the email as well so a one stop shop for all your financial resources hopefully that'll uh help a lot you can share all the resources then with your colleagues thanks everyone nice short one today so get out there and enjoy some sunshine now and the rest of your [pause] your lunchtime and i will speak to everyone on the two weeks time actually hoping to have teamwork on to have a chat about preparations for workplace well being day so that should be a really nice session [pause] [screen share stop] so thanks to everyone for joining really appreciate all the comments all the interactions and i will see you again on the next webinar in two weeks time thanks [anon_fn16] [pause] thanks [anon_fn17] thanks everyone and i'll try and get an email out to everyone later today have a lovely tuesday guys and i'll talk to ya transcribed by https://otterai 0:00 stairs because that is the safest place for you that is the place where you will survive because it'd be weird you'd just be sitting there watching telly all of a sudden they could see the planes come in [pause] sirens would sirens would go off on the television you had like 30 seconds power goes out get under the stairs and hope for the best [pause] i was very lucky here i am here i am um [pause] living to tell the tale [pause] 0:26 well that that that's incredible and i i'm not um [pause] aware enough of of the precise timings of all of this [anon_$048] but you know your passage [signal loss] then to the [anon_pl6] was that straightforward at the time or were there complexities around that 0:40 say it again 0:41 your your passage to the [anon_pl6] you know was that a straightforward process+ 0:45 =yes 0:45 +for the family or were there+ 0:47 =i'm 0:47 +difficulties around that 0:48 yeah i was very blessed because [pause] at the time there was no embassy for for [anon_pl1] in [anon_pl2] so we had to go to [anon_pl3] and go to [anon_pl4] and stay there for a week and go to the embassy to get the visa to come [pause] and my sister had sent us an invitation letter and we were able to get a visa so like [pause] i haven't got that horrific story of [pause] people who i know to this day up up until a year ago who have walked through countries [pause] got to [anon_pl18] got on a boat came to the [anon_pl6] or [pause] paid money for [pause] air steward seats on planes and got on a plane and got off in [anon_pl20] and were like [pause] you know i don't know where i've come from but i'm i'm claiming asylum i mean people were doing all that they could to try and get out and be safe and i [pause] understand exactly the same things happening now [pause] in [anon_pl21] 1:42 mm mm 1:44 so i was= that bit of my story is very straightforward i got on a plane in [anon_pl9] and i got off in [anon_pl13] and my sister picked us up we went to my sister's house [pause] stayed there for a bit until my parents found their feet [pause] and they opened a shop [pause] in [anon_pl10] [pause] and my sister and i who were the little ones we went to school in [anon_pl10] [pause] um i hated it the first year i cried a lot [pause] i didn't want to be here and missed my friends [breath in] i missed the food i missed the weather and i was like i don't want to be here but i didn't have a choice because i was 10 years old and you do as your parents tell you [breath in] but looking back now you know it's the best thing that happened for me and i was just so lucky you know in [anon_pl10] [pause] to like meet some of the most incredible [pause] people like friends that i'm still friends with now teachers who i still keep in touch with now [breath in] and um you know [pause] there were rough parts you know i had a tough time because i couldn't speak english and there were kids [pause] cos back then there wasn't a lot of people from other countries [pause] in [anon_pl10] 2:48 mm 2:48 and i had to go to like [pause] the roughest school in [anon_pl10] because that was the only school that taught english as a second language whereas i know now most schools kind of have [pause] something like that to help they have a like an assistant in the class to help the children but i actually had to go to a specific [pause] language unit so i would miss a lot of my classes just to learn english [breath in] but the great joys of being in the country is that you pick it up very quickly within seven months i was very confidently speaking but very badly very bad grammar at the time [pause] 3:20 so you your first [pause] 3:22 ![unclear]/! 3:22 [pause] sorry [anon_$048] your your your your so that sort of your first day in school in [anon_pl10] you didn't know know a word of english 3:31 no [anon_sn1] came and said what's your name i said my sister said to her it's [anon_$048] and she says okay we'll call her [anon_nn1] because [anon_$048] [pause] it's too long you know shorten all the names in [anon_pl1] don't we so i was [anon_nn1] from age 10 to about 18 and when i went to university i was like no i'm [anon_$048] or i'm [anon_$048] because [anon_nn1] could be many names [pause] my sister's [anon_fn1] and in farsi there is [anon_fn2] there's lots of names with [anon_nn1]'s in it but [pause] like [anon_nn1] [anon_sn2] that we were talking about the other weather presenter earlier um who works for [anon_inst2] [pause] um so i decided i wasn't gonna be called [anon_nn1] anymore but if you meet people from [anon_pl10] from my days of school they'll always say oh that's [anon_nn1] [laugh] 4:12 well there we are and um+ 4:14 =yeah i was lucky very lucky to learn the language very quickly 4:17 +and um and then when you when you finished school you you stayed in [anon_pl11] for university is that that's right 4:26 i did i was gonna go to [anon_pl13] because i was i always wanted to work for the [anon_inst1] and i actually when i was 16 years old i went up for two weeks on work experience in [anon_pl13] stayed in the [anon_inst1] hostel in [anon_pl12] [pause] and that week [pause] i went out one night and i witnessed something unpleasant [pause] like a fight [pause] broke out in front of me and i was kind of [pause] um [pause] i was just walking by and i got involved in it [pause] and i was just like oh my god like i'm from [anon_pl10] i can't cope with like the dangers of [anon_pl13] [laugh] rang my mom and cried all night 5:01 [laugh] 5:01 and i don't think i'm gonna go to [anon_pl10] i think i'm gonna stay local so i went to [anon_inst3] which used to be called [anon_inst3] with two of my best friends who i went to junior school with [pause] secondary school with [pause] and then university [signal loss] ![unclear]/! myself very much um ![unclear]/! [signal loss] in my comfort zone right up till you [signal loss] that was a great decision i don't regret it [signal loss] even though [anon_pl13] 's one of my favorite+ 5:29 = i i i'm hoping [pause] yeah i mean it's it's a great city [signal loss] but um you know it it sounds like good sense after what your exper= you your experience was there and obviously doing going to university with good friends [pause] and staying in a comfort zone makes good sense and you you+ 5:46 =i was just so innocent 5:47 +mentioned there about ringing [pause] yeah 5:49 i said i was just so innocent back in the day i just wasn't savvy enough and streetwise enough to be able to [pause] do that i could do it now but back then i was just too immature for it [pause] 6:01 yeah that's fair enough that's fair enough but you you you said you um you you rang your mother and you you know speaking to your mother all upset [pause] came back home so is is um home with your mother uh uh would you would you speak iranian or would you speak english 6:19 [breath in] i only speak farsi to my mom and dad and [pause]my cousins in [anon_pl17] [pause] but like with my sisters [pause] and uh my cousins in the [anon_pl18] i always speak english [pause] and with my husband who was actually farsi speaking [pause] 90% we speak english but when we don't want other people to know what we're talking about and we want to 6:41 [laugh] 6:41 make a comment like welsh people do we kind of switch 6:46 yeah 6:46 what we want to say in farsi and then switch back [pause] but my mum my mum always always it's weird because when we have english friends round [pause] um i speak english to my mum and it's just it just sounds weird [pause] i think if you're welsh speaking you kind of understand what i mean even even though probably most welsh speaking people their english is just as good but my mum's english isn't as good as her [pause] farsi so i always speak to her in farsi yeah [pause] and obviously family in [anon_pl2] i speak to in farsi as well 6:57 mm and and when you came over um did any of your family that came over from [anon_pl2] did any of them speak any english did your mother or father know some english or were you just reliant on the relations that you already had in the [anon_pl6] 7:17 so in [anon_pl2] if you go to secondary school you always have to learn english like we learn [pause] um [pause] well we kind of learned french here in school and welsh 7:40 okay 7:40 so they have the basics of hello how are you you know [pause] i know what a ball is i know what [pause] but like not fluent english just enough 7:50 mm 7:50 to get by so i remember when we went to the embassy in [anon_pl4] to get the visa i was going through security and the security said something to me and i looked at him and he said it again my dad said he's asking you what's your name and i was like oh okay so i told him but literally didn't even know what your name is [pause] in in english at the time [pause] but when you're a kid you pick things up like this don't you 8:14 [pause] mm [pause] yeah uh do you do you speak other languages you know just out of interest i i'm just thinking my kids that that welsh language and they pick up other languages very very quickly [breath in] 8:28 yeah i wouldn't say lang= languages are my str= [pause] my strength like my sister [anon_fn3] who um is 18 months older than me she speaks farsi english french spanish [pause] has a passion for languages she's done gcses in it and she loves it she's she speaks them 8:44 ![unclear]/! there we are 8:44 but um me no would i like to learn another language yes i'd love to learn welsh i have done some learning courses but i i need to commit a bit more to try and get that up it's just so much harder when you're older [pause] 8:57 mm 8:59 but most people in [anon_inst1] who speak welsh try to speak welsh to me some and i i get the gist and i try to answer with broken welsh but i'm in no way would i say i'm a welsh speaker [pause] 9:12 so lang= language obviously is um [pause] an important part of [pause] um how you feel how someone feels in terms of nationality but it's not vital of course so where do you sit at the moment um you know is it too easy to say iranian welsh and it's as simple as that or is there something deeper on whether it's iranian or welsh that you feel or you know that about yourself or you know how how does it how does it knit together how how how does it work in in your mind and your in your heart if you like 9:44 so when we moved over here my dad said to me look um [pause] don't have any iranian friends if you if there's anyone in your school who's from [anon_pl2] don't be friends with them and for this very simple reason is you'll get into that comfortable place and you you won't make welsh friends and you won't your english will not improve so from the age of 10 to 25 i was immersed in being welsh and speaking english i even you know [pause] was trying to speak english to my parents as well [pause] so uh up to the age of 25 i was actually quite ashamed of my um iranian background and [pause] didn't= wanted to dissociate disassociate myself with it in any way shape or form because you want to fit in at school and you want to be like everybody else sure you look different but i often would forget and um [pause] then when i was age 25 i went to [anon_pl14] to visit my family and i got immersed in the iranian culture in [anon_pl14] and i was just like wow these are the coolest people i've ever met i'm having the best time this is amazing and then every year i was going back and forth back and forth to [anon_pl13] i was like great so when i came back to the [anon_pl6] aged 25 i made it my mission to make some iranian friends and then i made iranian friends and i could [tech noise] barely speak farsi and they were just like laughing at me because every other word was english or like oh you're oh you're one of those okay [laugh] and then i went to [anon_pl2] straightaway [pause] every shopkeeper everyone couldn't even disguise the fact that i'm not from there [breath in] and at that point i got really confused i was just like well i thought i was iranian but when i'm in [anon_pl2] everyone makes me feel like i'm not from here but when i'm in [anon_pl16] i never feel like i'm not from [anon_pl16] 11:26 [laugh] 11:28 i don't know whether people [pause] are [pause] 11:30 mm 11:30 in [anon_pl2] are just a little bit too honest a little bit in your face and they tell you here maybe or maybe people just forget and i just blend in i don't know but i had this confusing time you know age 25 or what am i what is it am i iranian am i welsh who do i relate to the more and then i decided look you don't need to choose just take whatever 11:52 mm 11:52 you like from each culture [pause] put it into [anon_$048] and that that's what you are uh you don't need to put a label on yourself as much as we do we are very good at labeling everything so [pause] here i am i'm [anon_$048] i'm a citizen of the world i was born in [anon_pl2] amazing country great culture great history and i live in the god's country right now i mean how blessed am i 11:53 [tech noise] [pause] well that that that was very nicely put [anon_$048] i have to say yeah that's that was a great answer thank thank you for that um [pause] uh okay so uh let's [pause] you went to university [pause] you've had some time back and forth to the [anon_pl19] um now you know a number of years later you're you know a a permanent fixture if i can put it like that of [anon_inst5] what what what was that journey then from from that sort of 25 26 year old to where you are now how how did that come about what what made you [pause] take this course 12:56 well as i mentioned i always wanted to work for the [anon_inst1] i went on work experience by myself in [anon_pl13] for two weeks [pause] i used to shoot um [pause] uh this thing called [anon_pr1] i was given my own camera i used to film my own stories sent it to [anon_pl13] and it was part of [anon_pr3] i think it was and i used to be on before [anon_pr2] on a friday so i had a massive um viewing figures and i even made a half an hour documentary for them as well when i entered [anon_ev1] when i was [pause] 17 or 18 years old [breath in] so i knew that [pause] you know i want to work in i thought i wanted to work in television [pause] anyway i went to university because i said that's the right thing to do and i had the best time i don't regret it i highly recommend it if you can afford it these days because when i went it wasn't this expensive and i didn't have to get into 13:42 yeah 13:43 50 60000 pounds worth of debt which young people have to go into now [pause] but at the same time it's worth mentioning we do lots of apprenticeships at [anon_inst1] now so you don't you can get in like if you're if you're young and you're keen and you want to get in there's so many options these were not available when i was [pause] um 18 anyway i went to uni and the last day of uni i went to a talk from um [anon_fn4] [anon_sn3] who was the head of news at the time that [anon_inst1] he came to chat to us inspire us to come work for the [anon_inst1] i asked question i asked another question asked another question at the end of it he came up to me it was like oh do you want to come for work experience at [anon_inst5] i was like yeah i said i'm i'm due to start my master's at [anon_inst7] because i really didn't know what to do this was august [pause] no this was sorry this was june and he said okay come in august for work experience and then you can start your master's in in september okay [pause] went for work experience ended up getting a job [pause] and i say this to everybody i'm like guys wherever you want to work get some work experience and when you get in don't sit there looking at your phone ask lots of questions you will get a job if not that week one year down the line they'll remember you you will have a phone call if you put your heart and soul into it anyway i got a job it was nothing to do with what i wanted to do as a news assistant running around after journalists with tapes then i became a picture editor and then i became a video journalist i used to shoot my own stories voice them [pause] edit them put them out [pause] but it's not what i wanted to do [breath out] so i was like look i just want to go into broadcasting and they were like well you need to do the postgraduate [pause] studies in in bro= broadcast and journalism okay so i took a year out the [anon_inst1] sponsored me i did the course i came back [pause] now i want to work in journalism i want to work in news because news was the only department really to work in if i wanted to stay in [anon_pl16] um aw there's no jobs and i was i felt at the time i was a little [pause] bit uh boxed into the you're you are an editor person you're not a journalist just because you've gone and done a year that doesn't make you a journalist and i was like okay anyway i went and got a job at [anon_inst8] [anon_pl33] as a journalist [pause] and i was devastated because like it's the furthest point away from home and i'm a home bird i'm like ah [cough] anyway i went to see one of the bosses and i said oh i've got this job in [anon_pl20] and she was like i'm really sad [pause] that you're going but i just wanted to say that there are opportunities coming up so you've been so patient if you can be more patient there's more opportunities coming up i was like okay rang cancelled it not coming and then the weather op came up and i was like [breath out] this is exactly what i want to do because i never wanted to work in news [pause] news um [pause] as amazing news is and journalism within the [anon_inst1] is like the best in the world [breath in] i didn't feel like it suited my personality so weather was just run right down my street i was like i can be a bit more myself i can [pause] you know do what i want to do rather than having these restrictions because when you're a journalist you have to consider all these things so that was weather i did weather i loved it but [pause] after five years it was like i need a new challenge because um [pause] i can just do this with my eyes closed and i was far too young to just be plodding along because it's comfortable and i got fed up of doing the shift as well because i was going to work at 5am i'm actually here five o'clock tomorrow morning doing weather but i don't mind once in a while and um [pause] [breath out] so knocking all the doors [anon_pl13] here there well where to go next what to do next and getting people to see me away from the weather was just the biggest challenge so anyway i managed 17:29 mm 17:29 because my partner lived in [anon_pl13] i was like right i'm just gonna go to network the next jump would be i do the weather for the [anon_pl6] that's it i'm gonna leave [anon_pl16] that's it so i got an opportunity one summer i went to [anon_pl13] and i was doing the weather and i think everyone here got a bit nervous they were like okay she's getting itchy feet she wants to go [pause] we we like working with her let's see if we can kind of chat and see where we can take [anon_$048] next that's right for her and that's how radio came about and i never thought about doing radio before i always thought i want to work in television [pause] and uh they were like okay let's do a pilot like a test run and see how it goes [pause] so i did it [pause] played michael jackson starting something and then put the fader up and i came on and i did my thing and then went to the next song and i said to the producer like oh my god do people get paid to do this this is so much fun and she was like yeah well you do you know if it goes well maybe you'll actually do it with people listening and two months later i was doing saturdays one summer and i never thought i would be given my own show never ever ever ever ever i still can't believe it i still pinch myself i'm like who would want to listen to me why would people want to listen to me and i i honestly big shock i keep saying to my boss who gave me the job i say=i keep saying i still can't believe it i still can't believe it he's like you you should you know it's it's your show own it do what you got to do and here we are now i do four days of radio um [anon_inst6] two till five monday to thursday and then i do the weather on a friday and um [pause] i'm loving it i'm having the best time i feel so blessed i'm so lucky um and then this summer i go off to have a baby so i don't know what's going to happen but um hoping to be back at some point next year and i have got other ambitions this is not it [pause] but i think focus has to go on my personal life now for a bit cos um i put so much into work uh once i 19:27 mm 19:27 the baby thing is out of the way i've got other plans of what i want to do but i would like to keep radio going for the long run because it is so intimate so beautiful like i can name our regular listeners [pause] off by heart at any point i can tell you so much about them they're such a big part of my life 19:45 ![unclear]/! 19:45 and i guess i'm a part of their life too [pause] sorry i get so excited [pause] 19:51 well do do you know all credit to [anon_inst5] i [pause] i would suggest for keeping hold of you because grabbing someone who [pause] who clearly totally completely wholly enjoys what they're doing and just then expresses massive energy when when doing that job i mean tho tho= those those are singularly in my mind the people you want to listen to so no wonder no wonder they've kept hold of you and uh you know and good for you too as well of course so um yeah i mean you know the energy you're giving us now it's it's just demonstrating it just you know very very clearly and uh yeah that's fantastic and were you always like that so you know once you've got confidence with language when you were younger back in [anon_pl10] were you then as a child that was [pause] that would when you enjoyed something everyone knew you really enjoyed it and you put energy behind it and you wanted to do your best and take it further because clearly that's what you've been doing with your career were you like that then 20:49 i think it's more refined now i think i was a very crazy teenager and i forgot to mention i spent a lot of time outside the classroom because i was so destructive in class [laugh] so um 21:01 fantastic 21:02 yeah lots of energy always but i just refined and it's just a little bit calmer and a little bit more mature but i've always been excited about life and things that happen and opportunities even the downs [pause] you know i was very patient it took me 12 years [laugh] to get from weather to my next big move i mean the weather was a big move for me [pause] but within as i said to you i was five years into it i was like right i've mastered this i need a new challenge took seven years then for this challenge and luckily a year on i'm still very much challenged doing the radio it's not something i can do with my eyes closed and it's easy and i i'm just breezing [pause] but once i do get to that place i think it's just nicer for the listeners and me that if i don't do that maybe that particular show there do a different show [tech noise] um because it's important to always keep things fresh and happy and [pause] um enjoyable [pause] they say five years normally so maybe four more years of me on [anon_inst9] for sure in the afternoons [pause] if they'll have me [laugh] 22:05 mm and um [pause] and uh colleagues of yours then um either currently or or over [signal loss] recent years whether um on tv or or or more recently with radio if they were to reflect back on things they know of of [anon_$048] maybe you know i don't know uh are there any bloopers in your in your history are there anything that uh blimey that was hilarious i can't believe i got that wrong or you know are there any sort of funny little things like that that may have happened [pause] 22:39 well i don't know if my colleagues would know about it but i can tell you about it 22:42 okay [laugh] 22:42 a couple of funny things 22:43 [laugh] 22:43 that happened 22:44 [laugh] 22:44 [laugh] um [pause] i was doing the weather in [anon_pl21] a few years back uh live and um as i started doing the weather something kind of wet landed on my nose and [pause] i wasn't sure if it was a bit of [pause] rain or if it was bird poop [pause] 23:07 [laugh] 23:03 but like i continued i was like yeah a lovely weekend plenty of sparkly sunshine temperatures around 10 celsius did did my two minutes thinking is it water is it poop [laugh] and then i was trying to look at the camera man but he was just hiding behind the camera normally they're just standing there he just couldn't look at me as he was hiding behind the camera and i was like oh my god this [laugh] is it wat=it must be poop but at the same time just talking away as if ooh nothing's happened [laugh] um as soon as i was like back to you in the studio [pause] he went in his pocket he brought out tissues like you got poop on your nose [laugh] oh my god but the good thing about obs when you do weather outside the shot is quite far away [pause] it's not like the shot we've got now it's more like you can see down to you know below your belly so it's quite far away i don't think anyone at home noticed [breath in] um [pause] and another time you know uh luckily at at the old building you never saw weather presenters' legs [pause] and i think i was wearing stockings once and they kind of rolled down as they do sometimes 24:10 [laugh] 24:10 [laugh] uh luckily the shots that you got in the old building no one could see that was happening so i was just there going mortified [pause] but again no one at home knows you just go every day when you're doing live tv something's going wrong there isn't day= a day that something isn't going wrong 24:10 ![unclear]/! 24:10 and where you earn your bread bread and butter is like for people at home not to realize that that is happening and just [pause] you know deliver the information get off and laugh about it and which is what i normally do we laugh a lot we laugh a lot before we start going live we laugh a lot when we come off [pause] a couple of times actually [pause] we've been um in the mornings when you're waiting to do i don't know if you've seen break= [anon_inst10] so it's in [anon_pl13] and then they hand to us [pause] so often we're standing there having conversations about [pause] everything [pause] and one morning 25:04 mm 25:04 we're talking about [anon_fn138] and being in barbados and how she'd seen justin bieber and this and that [pause] and the director was so engrossed in our conversation he didn't realize that [anon_pl12] had cut to [anon_pl16] [pause] and we're having this full on conversation [pause] and then all of a sudden he realizes shouts in the newsreader's ear so she was like this talking away at me [pause] and then you just sort of turn around and go good morning blah blah blah and i'm there on the site going 25:11 [laugh] 25:21 oh god how much of that conversation just went out so we're always very careful actually what we talk about because obviously opinions [laugh] about people politicians wars things like that [pause] we don't do that in front of microphones because if it goes out you know i'd probably lose my job [pause] so um 25:51 mm 25:52 lots of little things like that nothing nothing [pause] crazy [pause] 25:58 yeah i'm i'm sure if there was anything major [pause] we probably all would have been aware of it but um+ 26:03 +well i had 26:05 = ![unclear]/! 26:05 +i had a minus 99 i had a minus 99 on my map once and i made it to [anon_inst11] that was quite cool [pause] 26:13 what what was that [anon_$048] sorry 26:15 on my map one of my temperature said minus 99 [pause] and the [anon_inst11] picked up on it and i was in the paper because i was forecasting minus 99 temperatures for somewhere in [anon_pl16] [laugh] but the computer updates itself so+ 26:32 = did was someone to set you up or 26:35 no i don't think so i don't think so i think it's just one of those things 26:40 ah okay [pause] 26:43 someone may have done it accidentally but i don't think it was purposely 26:47 mm okay so um [pause] that's quite a nice insight actually as well into the sort of family the family where you work you know there's there's clearly a great spirit amongst you and your colleagues and you know if there's a a slight blooper that comes out in that way i think it's a symptom of something quite refreshing and natural uh which i suppose on the odd occasion is is enjoyable it's good to see as much as your frustration 27:12 =as long as we don't do it every morning 27:15 no you wouldn't want one every morning no [laugh] but um tell me um uh [anon_$048] um are there and there there may or may not be are there similarities that you think i suppose from a either a family or a cultural perspective that you know your your your heritage as as um iranian your your um the the time you've grown up in in [anon_pl16] do you do you see their similarities in the cultures or um 27:47 yeah 27:47 in any way and i don't you know i don't i don't really know how to ask the question 27:51 no i know what you mean uh basically the the biggest similarities between welsh people and ira= iranian people is the importance of family [pause] and [pause] not that i'm saying it doesn't happen in [anon_pl22] but i would say it happens moreso in northern [anon_pl22] they are very similar to welsh people so when i went to university with my two best friends [pause] um [pause] from [anon_pl10] [pause] every weekend the three of us would go back to [anon_pl10] to see our family yeah but like my english friends they would go at christmas 28:26 mm 28:26 they would go at easter they would go at summer and they thought we were crazy because maybe it's a [anon_pl10] thing i don't know but we went home every weekend to our parents and [pause] um the three of us actually stayed very close to home one of them's back in [anon_pl10] and the two of the other two of us they work we work at the [anon_inst1] but we're only like 50 well my parents live in [anon_pl23] now but her parents live in [anon_pl10] they're only 50 minutes away so i noticed very quickly the importance of family and being close with family um that similarity is definitely there between iranian people but the focus iranians put on food oh my god i don't think any well maybe the italians we would be similar with but i don't think welsh people are feeders 29:10 mm 29:11 iranians i don't know if you'd agree with me [anon_fn5] they're all feeders you come to my house you get you have to not eat for a whole day before you come to my house and i'm not fully iranian if you're going to my mom's house oh my goodness [breath in] honestly i don't eat before i go there she rings me right she's in [anon_pl2] right now she rings me she's like are you still starving that baby and i'm like [pause] mum [pause] having three meals a day is not starving a baby but she thinks i should be eating like constantly [laugh] to make sure the baby's well fed 29:45 mm 29:45 it's just worlds apart when it comes to food welsh people are a bit more breakfast lunch dinner one type you go to somebody's house to make one type of dinner you go to an iranian person's house they'll make five types of dinner and it's like how do you choose and then you're having for all these so i'm so overwhelmed and excited and then i end up eating too much and you don't feel great [laugh] 30:07 [laugh] okay is there [pause] is there anywhere where you know in [anon_pl16] where you can eat out and have you know iranian food 30:18 yeah i mean there's lots of restaurants in [anon_pl10] and there's one that i do like in [anon_pl10] there's only one in [anon_pl23] which is very disappointing for a capital city because then in [anon_pl24] there's another 10 so bang in the middle there's one 30:29 okay 30:30 used to be good isn't so good anymore i tend to eat turkish food in [anon_pl23] which is a little bit closer to iranian food but unfortunately i haven't been to the iranian restaurant in [anon_pl23] which is called [aonon_inst12] and it's in [anon_pl25] for about five years their really good chef 30:47 mm 30:47 went back to [anon_pl13] he's not here anymore so the food is a bit mmm [pause] but i do love them 30:53 mm okay [pause] yeah okay well um [anon_$048] we we're going to um [pause] uh hand back over to [anon_fn5] and uh and and if [anon_fn5]'s got some questions that uh people may have uh uh submitted to him i would i would like um just to point out i've noticed in in the the audience we've got in the room is uh [anon_fn6] [anon_sn4] and [anon_fn6] [anon_sn4] is is live uh from [anon_pl26] and [anon_fn6] runs our [anon_inst13] in [anon_pl26] so there we are you're uh 31:19 wow 31:19 you're uh 31:19 ![unclear]/! 31:23 i i wasn't=didn't know she was jo= joining us but that you know that's 31:29 wow 31:29 that's fantastic you know brilliant+ 31:31 =um i lived in the middle east i lived in the middle east for um [pause] uh five years i think so i have a a passion for your food and and um your people and i um really enjoyed listening to how you settled [pause] into where especially into [anon_pl16] [pause] is wonderful 31:50 thank you where did you live in the middle east 31:52 um saudi arabia and um cairo egypt and also in greece which is sort of 32:00 ![unclear]/! 32:01 middle eastern yeah yeah yeah 32:03 yeah oh how lovely 32:08 well yeah mm [pause] so thank you i really enjoyed the talk today 32:10 i would recommend you all visit [anon_pl2] um i can't go but you can and um go up go with a tour if you can it's an it's an incredible experience and um [pause] [anon_pl2] when you visit [anon_pl2] is very different [anon_pl2] that you see on the television [pause] like billions of [pause] worlds apart not even millions like [pause] everybody speaks english and um everybody is so welcoming to tourists and it's so cheap for us to visit there as well and if you want culture and history i can't think of a better country to visit i'm not being biased or anything i have traveled the world um it is it is a an amazing place so hopefully you guys will get to visit i'm just gutted i can't go really 32:14 yeah okay well [pause] [anon_$048] thank you very much nice to hear from you [anon_fn6] i know we're catching up next week [anon_fn5] do you want to um uh pick through a couple of questions for for [anon_$048] 33:04 absolutely yes we've got a question here from [anon_fn7] which is quite a philosophical question really [pause] [anon_$048] so what would [anon_$048] advise her 10 year old self now [pause] 33:14 that's a very good question [anon_fn7] um i wouldn't do anything differently but i would [pause] what would i tell myself [pause] um [pause] [breath out] thing is i i i was so patient with everything i've been in my life i've been patient with everything so i can't even tell myself be more patient oh i know i know if i could go back and go to university i would have studied something different so i studied communication studies which was cultural studies english language and media studies together and then i did other subjects with it and [pause] it's so hard in the world of media for people to take you seriously if you've done anything to do with media studies which is hysterical right um but i just always did things that i enjoyed um but if i could go back um i would have i would have done politics because i'm really fascinated by politics now and i think coming into the [anon_inst1] and maybe when i was trying to be a journalist and i i wouldn't get the opportunities they would have looked at my cv and go oh she's got a a political degree that's good well we'll give her a chance but communication studies mm mm [laugh] the [anon_inst1] and all of media wants people from all walks of life they don't want anybody who's [pause] just studied media studies which i didn't i did english language as well which is why i've got you know quite good english [pause] but i just did what i enjoyed [pause] and as i say i wouldn't have changed it but the 10 year old self [pause] be a bit calmer in school don't spend so much time outside the class even though i think teachers do like naughty kids a little bit [pause] right i asked my friend she said naughty kids make her day fun if they all sat there going yes miss no miss it's quite boring for a teacher they'll never forget me anyway [laugh] yeah i would have done a different degree that's a good question [anon_fn7] but i will have to think about that thank you [pause] any other questions 35:12 we do i got a question here from [anon_fn8] what's your favorite iranian meal and do you prefer iranian or british food 35:19 is that from [anon_fn8] 35:20 yeah [anon_fn8] yeah 35:21 hello [anon_fn8] um [pause] favorite iranian dish um is a dish called behmed i don't know if you've had it [anon_$050] it's basically um split beans with tomatoes and lamb and then you have it with white rice that's one of my favorites and i also like tachin as well which is saffron rice with yogurt and chicken really nice do i prefer english or iranian food my favorite food ever ever is steak so is that english or as that french don't know it's global there's no there wasn't+ 35:53 = depends on mustard 35:54 [laugh] yeah my favorite food is steak english food okay what is english food fish and chips sunday roast cawl is welsh um [pause] it's not my favorite 36:08 [laugh] 36:10 controversial [laugh] i like it i like it a lot [pause] but i don't sit there going oh this is speaking to my soul like wagamama speaks to my soul [laugh] which is like it's like a chain japanese food but when i eat it i just feel like oh this is so nutritious and so yummy [laugh] and i feel that with my lamb you know it's lamb it's kind of welsh my lamb dish with a split beans yeah [laugh]+ 36:39 =ghormeh sabzi is very popular 36:40 ![unclear]/! i liked it mm 36:41 and the ghormeh sabzi is very popular 36:44 gormeh sabzi you actually let me tell you about the food that's most popular with british people so when i have [anon_fn10] come into my house with [pause] [anon_fn11] and [anon_fn12] who are the weather presenters in the welsh language i always make them fesenjoon which is the this this dish would work very well um for any british english palate it's the pomegranate chicken [pause] oh my goodness it's not my favorite but british people [anon_fn10] always says when can i come and like because of pandemic he hasn't had fesenjoon for two years [laugh] 37:18 well do you know what you should go and give him a packed lunch or something and say look i've got your food [laugh] 37:22 next time we make it i should he's allowed over now i should have him over yeah+ 37:27 =well the question from me 37:27 you reminded me hmm 37:29 the question from me i suppose is one of the things that both i feel [anon_pl2] and um welsh people are very passionate about is music and you know we're obviously in [anon_pl16] we like to think we're about ourselves as good welsh singers i mean you've got tom jones you've got um shirley bassey here and we've got in [anon_pl2] we've got some very good singers popular culture singers as well um funny that we see quite a predominantly a welsh audience here today so i was wondering if you know of any iranian music that you would recommend to people to listen to [pause] 38:01 so i would agree with you i think globally music connects people i kind of did my thesis in this at university as part of cultural studies and when i spoke to iranians it's the it was the music that's keep was keeping them connected most with [anon_pl2] um the welsh people like to sing and can sing iranian people like to dance 38:25 mm 38:26 they can't sing i can't sing right 38:30 [laugh] 38:29 [laugh] so um [pause] iranian music who do i like um [pause] who do i recommend you listen to actually bijan mortabazi he's the guy that plays the violin i think his music would actually sit well [pause] outside of iran= iranian culture so his name is bijan which is b i j a n and i think it's mortabazi m o r t a b a z i mortabazi his music is beautiful absolutely beautiful [pause] 38:40 brilliant and we've got a really good question here from [anon_fn13] who's almost in a similar situation to you congratulations on your pregnancy by the way and how + 39:11 =thank you 39:11 +exciting that is so [anon_fn13] is expecting his first child soon as well and he's wondering and [anon_fn13] is wondering rather um are you planning to share your persian culture with your baby he 39:22 oh [anon_fn13] congratulations to you oh my goodness as i said i'm taking the good bits [pause] and i'm burying the bad bits 39:31 [laugh] 39:31 and in terms of language we've had this discussion with my husband um as to whether we speak farsi to the baby um before school and then the baby learns english and welsh in school [pause] so the way i'm going to do it is [pause] my comfortable language to speak in is english so i'm going to speak english to the baby and [anon_fn14] my husband is going to speak farsi to the baby [pause] and then hopefully by the time the baby goes to school it's familiar with english but can communicate with grandparents and other people who who speak farsi am i going to force the child to go to farsi school [pause] my mom was a teacher at farsi school before the pandemic um if the child [pause] if he it's a boy if he wants to go and pop= farsi school he's very welcome i'm i'm going to put him in every saturday but if he'd rather play football or rugby or something else i'm not going to force it because that's when that's when [pause] kids go a little bit against it but if he's fascinated interested likes languages and wants to do it he can go ahead to the classes on saturday and learn to read and write as well um the food obviously is going to be we're gonna be giving that to him from when he's about six months old [laugh] 40:45 [laugh] 40:45 so he'll have lots of iranian food um and then he'll probably be hearing some iranian music as well [pause] but at the moment we're just playing classical music to him and some gangster rap which he was getting last weekend [laugh] when we were traveling a=around [anon_pl13] this kid's gonna love gangster music [laugh] 41:02 [laugh] what are your nowruz plans [anon_$048] as we obviously um for people who don't know we've got saint david's day on the first of march on the 20th of march we got the iranian new year which is known as nowruz so do you have any plans [anon_$048] 41:18 yeah iranian new year always happens on the first day of spring so sometimes it's the 20th sometimes it's the 21st the most magical day [breath in] um i think spring is new beginnings and things like that um so christmas is big in my family house nowruz is big in my husband's family house so we came to a decision 10 years ago when we met where we said right christmases we'll spend at my parents nowruz we spend at his parents and they live in [anon_pl27] so they're not local to us um [pause] but i would like to go to a nowruz party so i'm looking for a party to go to in [anon_pl13] [pause] because it's my last time going to a party for a while um and then hopefully we'll do that on the saturday the 19th and then on the 20th we'll go to [anon_pl27] and see [anon_fn14]'s mum spend nowruz with her before we come back to [anon_pl16] go back to work it's a lovely day amazing food nice sweets good feeling and there's always a a lovely smell in the air isn't it when it's spring [pause] 42:15 absolutely i've not had the privilege to go into any of the nowruz events there tends to be one or two in [anon_pl23] but in [anon_pl13] i'm sure that you can you've got plenty to choose from 42:24 well years ago there was a lot uh but it kind of all stopped happening if i do hear of one i'll let you know 42:31 or perhaps we should start organizing a [anon_inst15] um event next year perhaps who knows 42:37 that's a really good idea 42:38 mix it with your baby shower [laugh] 42:39 [laugh] i'm due in three months 42:44 oh dear oh there you are then 42:46 by next christmas by next nowruz the kid's gonna be walking around 42:50 use it as your networking for good a nursery perhaps [laugh] 42:53 [laugh] [pause] uh i'm lucky my mom's local to me 42:58 oh wow that's that's perfect i'm surprised that you if you met your husband now husband in [anon_pl13] and he's now moved to [anon_pl23] as well how did you manage to communicate+ 43:07 =i actually met him in [anon_pl16] 43:09 +ah 43:09 ah mutual friends he came to [anon_pl23] for our norwuz party 10 years ago um he thought [anon_pl23] is a city with coal mines in it didn't realize it was a proper city such a funny story [pause] gets here he's like wow it's a proper city this is amazing oh my god [pause] walks into this club [pause] and meets me and seven years we were commuting back and forth [pause] and three years ago he quit his job and he set up his own business and he's in [anon_pl23] and he loves it [pause] 43:43 brilliant well there you are 43:45 yes 43:46 a a good advert to anybody who wants to move out of the big smoke and come up to um a much smaller smoke [laugh] 43:53 go outside the m 25 there's a whole world out there [laugh] 43:58 [laugh] oh i completely agree i completely agree s048 44:00 [laugh] 44:00 oh i i must say to people i mean i don't see any more questions coming in but i appreciate that [anon_$048] that you have to actually run away to the theater right now so i feel as if um 44:11 mm 44:11 i have to bring this event to a um swift close um 44:15 make sure nobody else has a question before we ![unclear]/!+ 44:23 =we have a couple more minutes this is your last chance guys any more questions and 44:22 ![unclear]/! yeah ask a question please do i mean i i i literally got i've got another six minutes and then i'm gonna run across the city i'm actually at [anon_inst5] at the moment um [pause] hopefully one day you guys will get to come in and have a look around as well when they allow tours again um [pause] 44:36 we were hoping for this to be a face to face event but [anon_$048] you have to show people why we couldn't have a face to face and show you the seat next to you 44:44 oh yeah this there's still covers this is the meeting room and you can only sit every other seat and the building's still quite it's running on 50% capacity and we're definitely not not allowed outside visitors just yet but i think all of that will change by the end of april [pause] 45:01 do you have any new lectures do you have any theaters because you're right next door to the journalism school aren't you 45:06 yeah there's the studios that they turn into lecture theatres which i've seen [pause] so they they're just empty rooms so they bring cameras in they bring monitors in and they turn into studios for programs like crime watch and then it all kind of just gets wheeled out and it's an empty room and then they bring chairs in and [pause] it turns but it's not a theater like with chairs going up in universities everyone's on the flat 45:30 which is almost a shame because obviously your building is so brand new 45:33 [pause] oh guys it's stunning i hope you get to come and see it it's really it's actually been built for viewers and listeners to have access to you're allowed to walk through it once [pause] covid is done um and have a look inside the atrium and see how beautiful it is and hopefully get to you know you can do tours as well to come and have a look around the studios so hopefully i'll get to meet you all in person [pause] 45:58 brilliant well um as i said at the beginning of the meeting about um i'm sorry i was meant to say that this point this was going to be recorded and recorded it quite late so um anybody who's missed it anybody who's missing you want um people to um see this and please um [pause] let me know through the eventbrite um event and i'll go and give people the link to send to those who missed and wanted to come here today um this is obviously a um [anon_inst14] event this is the this is the first [anon_inst14] event so um [anon_$048] you have set the high standards [laugh] 46:32 aw i've had a lovely time it's been so nice 46:36 we will have this um obviously [anon_inst13] ends in just a few days time so the focus for [anon_inst14] is for next year to have loads of events we've got um i've got some brainstorming and hopefully hopefully and i'm almost certain that we can do everything face to face so we can have very few technical difficulties that people may have had trying to enter this call but um absolutely this is going to be great and obviously i'm part of this is i'm doing this as part of my [anon_inst15] um journey as well so if anybody has got any um if anybody wants to access that website you can go on to [anon_inst15] which is [anon_inst15] i have to go and think of how to spell it in my mind [anon_wws13] you can see some great stories got some interviews including one with [anon_$048] and the other uh famous [anon_inst15] in which is [anon_fn15] [anon_sn5] hopefully we can get a really nice event with him next year um he's been spending a lot of time recovering from injury and he's actually today being chosen back to work play for the [anon_inst16] this week in this weekend's rugby match so um great to see that he's back up and running again um not in time for the [anon_inst17] ca= unfortunately but um [pause] you know next year we plan promised we would hopefully get a really good event with him and a few other um well known faces and some inspiring figures as well so um it's 18:58 now i haven't seen any new questions so it leaves me to say [anon_$049] um [anon_$049] you might want to have the last word but on behalf of [anon_inst14] thank you so much for coming and um we'll catch up with you all soon [pause] [anon_$049] [pause] 48:11 yeah i mean massive thanks [anon_$048] a= absolutely loved chatting with you and i and i hope we can take this offline one time whether it's for another [anon_inst13] or for other activities through [anon_inst15] because um uh you're just great fun you're inspiring uh it's just a a really enjoyable thing spending time chatting with you i have to say and it's great to see people join us for it ju= [signal loss] anon_$050] you know you you do really well uh with your with the society that you're setting up and you know uh that i'm here and [anon_inst13] uh program is it wants to support you in any way we can and uh and let's see how all this evolves so thank you to everyone you know have a lovely evening and uh hope to see you all before too long 48:55 thanks everyone i just want to say thanks [anon_fn9] for coming on as well [anon_fn9]'s always been very supportive of everything i've done so thank you [pause] 49:02 [laugh] 49:03 have a gorgeous evening all see you soon 49:05 and have a good pregnancy journey [anon_$048] 49:09 thank you thank you very much see you soon bye 49:12 bye transcribed by https://otterai